They may have underestimated how good jones would be this early. Also, insurance, if jones was behind, and the team was good. Then Eli plays and you try to make a playoff run.
The Giants need time to see if Jones is the real deal Â
When they decided to stick with Eli this year, they didn't know Tate would get suspended. They didn't know Shepard would get concussed. They didn't realize the shitstorm the defense would be so far.
Or to give them the benefit of the doubt, their fondness for Eli Manning caused them to take an EXTREMELY kind view of his play and thought that with a revamped OL we'd have a chance at making the playoffs.
He should have been released the day they drafted Jones. That is what I said two seconds after the Jones pick. And Eli as mentor I'm sure is a fantasy. I doubt Eli has said ten words to this kid. When DG did not select Allen at six this season was doomed. Let the kid lose and learn. There was no place for Eli on this roster.
They may have underestimated how good jones would be this early. Also, insurance, if jones was behind, and the team was good. Then Eli plays and you try to make a playoff run.
Haha. We have no clue if Jones is any good.
RE: Same reason why DG signed Beckham and then trades him. Â
He doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.
Francessa is right about how directionless DG is.
This. Gettleman is clueless without a plan. They now have close to 40 million in cap tied up between Manning and Beckham and neither are playing. Hard to build a good team that way....
When they decided to stick with Eli this year, they didn't know Tate would get suspended. They didn't know Shepard would get concussed. They didn't realize the shitstorm the defense would be so far.
This ^^^^ and more
They really had little choice
Except for foles - and that would have blocked jones
They may have underestimated how good jones would be this early. Also, insurance, if jones was behind, and the team was good. Then Eli plays and you try to make a playoff run.
Or to give them the benefit of the doubt, their fondness for Eli Manning caused them to take an EXTREMELY kind view of his play and thought that with a revamped OL we'd have a chance at making the playoffs.
if that's true then this is worse...having him stand on the sidelines for 14 games is a horrible look.
Pretty much spot on. It never made much sense to bring Eli back. Jones gives us some hope. But the people running the show are still in place. And that's scary
Pretty much spot on. It never made much sense to bring Eli back. Jones gives us some hope. But the people running the show are still in place. And that's scary
He should have been released the day they drafted Jones. That is what I said two seconds after the Jones pick. And Eli as mentor I'm sure is a fantasy. I doubt Eli has said ten words to this kid. When DG did not select Allen at six this season was doomed. Let the kid lose and learn. There was no place for Eli on this roster.
Yea im sure Eli is a complete dickhead and wants Jones to suck therefore has barely spoken to him. 🙄
I wouldn't have a problem with blind loyalty wanting to give Eli one last season to say goodbye, ride out the end of his contract for the transition to Jones to be a veteran presence on the bench.
I'm afraid that the Giants inability to scout themselves is so bad, though, that they actually thought they had a chance of winning something this year.
and many here, Eli's troubles were from a lousy OL. The team strengthened the OL, so it follows that they believed that Eli would play well. Keep in mind that they were not sure what they would get in the draft at the time they had to make a decision on Eli. And, having a rookie QB learn from a two-time Super Bowl MVP is not unheard of.
I think waiting longer to make the switch would have been the wrong move. We've seen Eli through two games and, while his stats aren't bad, his effectiveness is. The third down conversion rate is terrible.
I wouldn't have a problem with blind loyalty wanting to give Eli one last season to say goodbye, ride out the end of his contract for the transition to Jones to be a veteran presence on the bench.
I'm afraid that the Giants inability to scout themselves is so bad, though, that they actually thought they had a chance of winning something this year.
and you get to keep your job. This was all about giving Eli one more chance and it only effectively cost about 8 million in cap space. Eli is a professional so I doubt you see any issues with him holding the clip board except for the 100 shots a game we get of it now.
Intentionally tried to fuck up the handling of Eli’s decline, they still couldnt have fucked it up as bad as they actually did.
Anyone who was on board with bringing Eli back in 2019 needs to be fired. Maybe it was all John Mara, but if Gettleman actually wanted Eli on the team then he needs to go.
There was zero upside for any of the involved parties in bringing Eli back. It didnt benefit Eli, didnt benefit the Giants, didnt benefit the fans, the team. No one.
He should have been released the day they drafted Jones. That is what I said two seconds after the Jones pick. And Eli as mentor I'm sure is a fantasy. I doubt Eli has said ten words to this kid. When DG did not select Allen at six this season was doomed. Let the kid lose and learn. There was no place for Eli on this roster.
Yea im sure Eli is a complete dickhead and wants Jones to suck therefore has barely spoken to him. 🙄
This was not a knock on Eli. It's not his job to coach rookies. I'm sure Eli will help him prepare now that he is sitting. You missed the point.
They couldn't run naked at QB into the draft and they certainly weren't going to cut him in the middle of the offseason which would be an even uglier divorce than with Simms. 23M is a lot of money to pay for some draft deception and respect though, they should have made the move before the season and replaced him with a cheap bridge QB.
Not surprising.
Francessa is right about how directionless DG is.
Or to give them the benefit of the doubt, their fondness for Eli Manning caused them to take an EXTREMELY kind view of his play and thought that with a revamped OL we'd have a chance at making the playoffs.
They also could have cut him after the draft and saved at least $12 million. It's foolish argument to say the least.
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is a foolish price to pay to hide intentions at #6. I won't buy that.
They also could have cut him after the draft and saved at least $12 million. It's foolish argument to say the least.
Yeh we should have cut him after the draft. That was the silly part.
Haha. We have no clue if Jones is any good.
Francessa is right about how directionless DG is.
This. Gettleman is clueless without a plan. They now have close to 40 million in cap tied up between Manning and Beckham and neither are playing. Hard to build a good team that way....
Not surprising.
If 0-2 meant they’d make a change they shouldn’t have brought him back and spent the money elsewhere
This ^^^^ and more
They really had little choice
Except for foles - and that would have blocked jones
Or to give them the benefit of the doubt, their fondness for Eli Manning caused them to take an EXTREMELY kind view of his play and thought that with a revamped OL we'd have a chance at making the playoffs.
if that's true then this is worse...having him stand on the sidelines for 14 games is a horrible look.
Pretty much spot on. It never made much sense to bring Eli back. Jones gives us some hope. But the people running the show are still in place. And that's scary
It may have been obvious they were going QB at 6, but not so that it would be Jones.
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Pretty much spot on. It never made much sense to bring Eli back. Jones gives us some hope. But the people running the show are still in place. And that's scary
By the way, good to see you posting again.
Yea im sure Eli is a complete dickhead and wants Jones to suck therefore has barely spoken to him. 🙄
That said, its beyond time to move on.
Eli has been done for 3 years
I'm afraid this is correct.
I wouldn't have a problem with blind loyalty wanting to give Eli one last season to say goodbye, ride out the end of his contract for the transition to Jones to be a veteran presence on the bench.
I'm afraid that the Giants inability to scout themselves is so bad, though, that they actually thought they had a chance of winning something this year.
Eli has been done for 3 years
You can’t say this. I think Eli should have been replaced. But Geno Smith was not the better QB
I think waiting longer to make the switch would have been the wrong move. We've seen Eli through two games and, while his stats aren't bad, his effectiveness is. The third down conversion rate is terrible.
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be better.
I'm afraid this is correct.
I wouldn't have a problem with blind loyalty wanting to give Eli one last season to say goodbye, ride out the end of his contract for the transition to Jones to be a veteran presence on the bench.
I'm afraid that the Giants inability to scout themselves is so bad, though, that they actually thought they had a chance of winning something this year.
+1
Gettlemen and Shurmur are NOT the answer and we wasted 2 years with Macadoodie as HC.
I would rather they fired Reese and kept TC until a solid GM and young stud fiery HC was ready.
Their self-scouting seems off target, and they're making decisions based on optimism and hope.
$40M in cap space for Eli + OB, and neither will be playing.
Their self-scouting seems off target, and they're making decisions based on optimism and hope.
$40M in cap space for Eli + OB, and neither will be playing.
Now that Eli is gone I hope this National Feelings League Bullshit is over.
They thought the team would be better.
This is the way it goes, everything can't be perfect....it's time.
Anyone who was on board with bringing Eli back in 2019 needs to be fired. Maybe it was all John Mara, but if Gettleman actually wanted Eli on the team then he needs to go.
There was zero upside for any of the involved parties in bringing Eli back. It didnt benefit Eli, didnt benefit the Giants, didnt benefit the fans, the team. No one.
Shame on the Giants for doing this to Eli
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He should have been released the day they drafted Jones. That is what I said two seconds after the Jones pick. And Eli as mentor I'm sure is a fantasy. I doubt Eli has said ten words to this kid. When DG did not select Allen at six this season was doomed. Let the kid lose and learn. There was no place for Eli on this roster.
Yea im sure Eli is a complete dickhead and wants Jones to suck therefore has barely spoken to him. 🙄
Mara was going to honor the contract. The fans reaction really hit him.
All other talk has been.....just talk.
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McAdoo was correct
Eli has been done for 3 years
You can’t say this. I think Eli should have been replaced. But Geno Smith was not the better QB
Well Mcadoo did want Mahomes so maybe he wasn’t as dumb as we thought