To me, the biggest decline in Eli's play was his inability (or rather, unwillingness) to get the ball down the field in recent years. I think it was due to a combination of 1. his arm talent has declined pretty dramatically 2. the # of hits he's taken in recent yrs has led him to get rid of the ball way too quickly and 3. he's been trained to go through his progressions much quicker in order to compensate for the poor oline play (prior to this season).
Now Jones is sure to go through the same rookie growing pains that all rookie QB's go through but the one thing I hope to see is a willingness to stand tall in the pocket and take some shots. This team has completely lost the big play ability in the passing game (except for the slants to odell that used to go 75 yards) and I think that defenses gampeplan around that and it allows them to compress on our WR's and running game. With a player like Saquon in the backfield, the play action game should be much more effective and if we can prove that we can hit teams over the top, you're going to see the run game improve dramatically as well.
I was obviously not a fan of the selection of DJ on draft night but now that he's our starting QB I'm hoping like hell that I was wrong. I'm looking forward to this Sunday's game more than I've looked forward to a Giants game in a long long time. Good luck kid...
Bennie Fowler, baby!
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
Was literally coming here to bring this up. Josh is clueless.
Nope, never said that.
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
Lot of bbi don't understand basic football. You're not going to throw 70% slinging it downfield.
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
You're totally wrong and missing the point. There is a balance b/w making plays down the field and having most of your passing tree be long developing routes. There's a time and a place for both and the right offensive calls should be determined based on the personnel.
To help me explain this to you, let's go back to Gilbride's offense. When we had a good oline, that offense, with it's complicated deep options routes, worked great. Eli had time in the pocket and the receivers had time to read the defense and run the correct routes based on what the defense was giving them. As the oline began to deteriorate that offense literally went into the toilet. Eli no longer had the time necessary to allow that kind of offense to succeed and that is the time when people started calling for Gilbride's head. It was due to his inability to adjust to his personnel.
We finally have an adequate offensive line again. But I'm not saying the offense should be all deep passes. Shurmur and Jones need to balance running an efficient offense while taking some shots at making big chunk plays in the appropriate situations. Establish the run, make the play action more effective and start making the defenses pay for stacking the box against Saquon.
This isn't really a complicated thing to grasp. It's not all or nothing and it shouldn't be. But for the offense to go into a complete shell will not work. It's very difficult in today's NFL to have long sustaining drives and be forced to convert multiple 3rd down attempts. You need to be able to make those chunk plays and get the offense moving.
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
I agree... The stupidity amongst some Giants fans is impressive.
Who exactly do people expect Eli to throw to esp Tate and SS out? Then when he forces it deep and the wr has no ball skills and is picked off the same fans will say he is just chucking up he needs to be benched.
That said, I think Shurmur's scheme is more friendly to Jones. If he is able to stop fumbling he should do well until teams get some tape on him, and then he'll struggle like every rookie QB.
It's not just 'not throwing deep'... which we can debate if there was opportunity?
How may time last year did we see Shurmur mouth "throw the ball". How many bootlegs and roll-outs where there is a throw to be made, and in that window of time, he doesn't. Plenty of times in the pocket too.
The 4th down play in the Dallas game. You HAVE to throw the ball. It's 4th down.
There are many many examples.
Bottom line, Eli is either gun shy or unwilling or unable to pull the trigger at times, and it is beyond frustrating as a fan.
Now, time will tell if there is opportunities there for those throws, and if people can get open...can Jones do it? I guess we'll see... but the gun-slinging Eli of 2011 or hell even 2014 or 2015 is long gone.
If it was only last week this could be true. But this has been 3+ yrs now.
that is not true, not one bit
Besides that .... RUN THE DAMN BALL! Best friend to the QB is a solid run game.
Set them up for the intermediate to deep throws later in the game. Don't, please don't, come out chucking the ball deep down the field. Don't do that to this rookie.
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
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I was at the game last week... no one was open. There is no separation.
If it was only last week this could be true. But this has been 3+ yrs now.
about the time when they changed OCs?
I'd love to see DJ go downfield but Shurmur may want to get back to where he's found success as a play caller.
I'd love to see DJ go downfield but Shurmur may want to get back to where he's found success as a play caller.
TBH, this is what I'm more excited to see than deep shots. Short area accuracy, some mobility, the ability to escape and create when things go off schedule. Those are things Eli has never really excelled at and they can be a huge help to this offense, given the poor talent at the WR position.
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I was at the game last week... no one was open. There is no separation.
that is not true, not one bit
Absolutely true. There was no separation most of the game.
So, aside from the fact that there isn't one legitimate starting receiver on this team, you now want to critique him for following orders??
The stupid is strong on this site.
It's staggering how bad the stupid is on here.
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In comment 14583099 BigBlue2007 said:
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I was at the game last week... no one was open. There is no separation.
that is not true, not one bit
Absolutely true. There was no separation most of the game.
Thank you.