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How unbelievable is it that Eli's career record is 116-116?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 11:54 am
What are the odds?
It's a shame...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2019 11:55 am : link
That this organization totally F'ed up the back nine of his career.
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arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 11:56 am : link
Not sure what the odds of that would have been, but what I do know is that it's terribly disappointing and something I never would have envisioned after he hoisted Lombardi #2 back in February of 2012.
I honestly think that the front office  
smshmth8690 : 9/17/2019 11:56 am : link
called for this change, to keep Eli from dropping below .500, for future HOF consideration.
Does that accoubny for the geno game??  
DC Gmen Fan : 9/17/2019 11:57 am : link
I thought he was still 1 game over 500
It's pathetic  
Go Terps : 9/17/2019 11:57 am : link
.
Literally the only good thing about this whole thing  
exiled : 9/17/2019 11:58 am : link
to me at least. Eli wonít be saddled with a losing career record.
Eli is...  
Gary JC : 9/17/2019 11:58 am : link
... a first ballot hall of famer.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 11:58 am : link
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy

12m
Eli Manning has accomplished more in his career than almost every QB to ever play the game. Nothing to be down about.

It was a great run with #NYG.

#elimanning #GiantsPride
If you looked at the supporting casts the other aging superstar QB's  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2019 11:58 am : link
have gotten late in their careers, its a real shame. Big Ben has/had Antonio Brown, JuJu, Bell, and a good OL. Rivers had/has Gordon, LT, Keenan Allen, Gates, and a good OL. Eli has crap
RE: It's a shame...  
exiled : 9/17/2019 11:59 am : link

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That this organization totally F'ed up the back nine of his career.

They really did.
So now..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2019 11:59 am : link
we have a conspiracy on having him start and now a conspiracy to his benching.

Okey dokey
RE: RE: It's a shame...  
BillKo : 9/17/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14583041 exiled said:
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That this organization totally F'ed up the back nine of his career.


They really did.


That's the pathetic part..........
The end of Eli's career  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 12:02 pm : link
was much like the end of many of the games he lost.

When it seemed like it was time to stop competing and get off the field, for pride, for statistics, for personal health, whatever.

Eli still kept competing, sometimes almost seemingly to a fault.

It's why I said on another thread, I dunno if Eli has any regrets. Sure, who wouldn't want to win more? But I dunno that he's losing sleep at night with 2 Lombardis under his pillow and his overall body of work.
RE: So now..  
Jints in Carolina : 9/17/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14583046 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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we have a conspiracy on having him start and now a conspiracy to his benching.

Okey dokey


It's a travesty how badly this organization  
bigblue5611_2 : 9/17/2019 12:04 pm : link
failed him when it came to giving him a competent OL/team to win.

I don't think I'm alone when I say that I could see him hoisting 3-4 Lombardi's after 07 and those first 14 weeks or so of the 08-09 season. The front office completely fucked up when it came to evaluating the talent they drafted/signed. I get that there were some tough luck with injuries (Cruz, Nicks, Philips, etc.), but I cannot for the life of me understand how bad they were when it came to evaluating OL talent.

Eli and Mo are probably my two favorite athletes that I got the chance to grow up with and watch (too young for LT and Simms). I was 13 when Mo really came on the scene in '96 and 21 when the Giants traded for Eli in '04. Two of the classiest, stand up athletes/people that will ever play their respective sports and I am grateful for having been able to watch the both of them play their whole careers.
RE: It's a shame...  
islander1 : 9/17/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14583016 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That this organization totally F'ed up the back nine of his career.


+1
RE: It's a shame...  
Tesla : 9/17/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14583016 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That this organization totally F'ed up the back nine of his career.


If you're going to say that then at least you have to also acknowledge they gave him a great supporting cast for the front half of his career. Many guys don't ever get even that much.
RE: ...  
JCin332 : 9/17/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14583037 Eric from BBI said:
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David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy

12m
Eli Manning has accomplished more in his career than almost every QB to ever play the game. Nothing to be down about.

It was a great run with #NYG.

#elimanning #GiantsPride


Great job Sy...couldn't have said it any better...
I doubt that is his final record  
ZogZerg : 9/17/2019 12:07 pm : link
Odds are pretty high that he starts another game as a Giant this year.
He played above average relative to other QBs from  
Les in TO : 9/17/2019 12:09 pm : link
2005-2011

He played at or below average in his rookie season and from 2012-2019

So yeah a 500 record is actually quite believable
I said on another thread  
bradshaw44 : 9/17/2019 12:09 pm : link
I almost think the team may have done this to keep him from having a losing record with the Giants. Laugh all you want but if he goes on to play for another team, they can always point to the fact he didn't have a losing record during his NYG years.
RE: I said on another thread  
ZogZerg : 9/17/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14583100 bradshaw44 said:
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I almost think the team may have done this to keep him from having a losing record with the Giants. Laugh all you want but if he goes on to play for another team, they can always point to the fact he didn't have a losing record during his NYG years.


It wouldn't surprise if that was talked about...
Joe Namath has a career .500 record too.  
Karl Hungus : 9/17/2019 12:11 pm : link
HOF baby!
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 12:13 pm : link
talking more about the fact that his benching came when his record was perfectly tied. What are the odds?
This narrative that the Giants let him down at the end  
RDJR : 9/17/2019 12:19 pm : link
of his career suggests that Eli had nothing to do with it and played lights out. Itís the ultimate team sport and the QB has some level of responsibility. Obviously, he couldnít lift up those poor teams. Eli should have retired after last season. Great ones have a difficult time wondering when to go.
Mike Garafolo for the win....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 12:19 pm : link
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo

17m
Replying to
@BigBlueInteract
50/50?
That doesn't include playoffs, right  
V.I.G. : 9/17/2019 12:22 pm : link
The most important record...
RE: ...  
Johnny5 : 9/17/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14583037 Eric from BBI said:
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David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy

12m
Eli Manning has accomplished more in his career than almost every QB to ever play the game. Nothing to be down about.

It was a great run with #NYG.

#elimanning #GiantsPride

Agreed. But it's impossible to not be saddened at the end of an era.
And this time next week, DJs record will be 0-1 ...  
Spider56 : 9/17/2019 12:23 pm : link
DJ wonít call plays and canít play WR or defense ... why would you expect the outcome to be any different, even against a lower quality opponent ?

This is a great diversionary move by the Giants and makes the hordes happy at least until Sunday. Enjoy.
What are the odds?  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/17/2019 12:26 pm : link
Got to be 3 to 1.
Eli's career...  
BillKo : 9/17/2019 12:26 pm : link
..perfect balance lol

RE: Mike Garafolo for the win....  
bradshaw44 : 9/17/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14583164 Eric from BBI said:
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo

17m
Replying to
@BigBlueInteract
50/50?


I almost posted 50/50 to be a smart ass. His record is 50/50. The odds of him having been benched when he hit the 50/50 point is not 50/50.
RE: And this time next week, DJs record will be 0-1 ...  
Thegratefulhead : 9/17/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14583189 Spider56 said:
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DJ wonít call plays and canít play WR or defense ... why would you expect the outcome to be any different, even against a lower quality opponent ?

This is a great diversionary move by the Giants and makes the hordes happy at least until Sunday. Enjoy.


I suspect we will hand the ball to SB 25+ times and win.
RE: I honestly think that the front office  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14583027 smshmth8690 said:
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called for this change, to keep Eli from dropping below .500, for future HOF consideration.


I wouldn't rule this out.

I think this is a big deal at Jints Central. The great irony, of course, is Eli could have been crowned with a winning record if they let him go three years ago.

Instead...
RE: If you looked at the supporting casts the other aging superstar QB's  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14583038 PatersonPlank said:
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have gotten late in their careers, its a real shame. Big Ben has/had Antonio Brown, JuJu, Bell, and a good OL. Rivers had/has Gordon, LT, Keenan Allen, Gates, and a good OL. Eli has crap


Rivers had a good oline? That is just not true.
RE: RE: I honestly think that the front office  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14583306 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14583027 smshmth8690 said:


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called for this change, to keep Eli from dropping below .500, for future HOF consideration.



I wouldn't rule this out.

I think this is a big deal at Jints Central. The great irony, of course, is Eli could have been crowned with a winning record if they let him go three years ago.

Instead...


I think this is probably why they signed off on it so early. Its crazy to think one game would have a difference in his HOF chances, but it will.
I said that in another thread BW....the defenders and ownership  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 12:46 pm : link
have possibly done Eli a disservice with their loyalty. His HOF chances have actually went from a near certainty to questionable in the past two years due to his overall record.
I never  
Steve in Greenwich : 9/17/2019 12:46 pm : link
understood why this number keeps getting brought up - completely ignoring his career 8-4 playoff record. He's 124-120 as a starter; end of story, its not like passing yards or whatever since people dont want to associated the added opportunity to get stats, but when it comes to record and judging a QB why wouldn't you include postseason record?
Records can be misleading.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2019 12:47 pm : link
Eli Manning's combined numbers in 2014-2015 are as good as or better than any QB not named Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, yet the team went 12-20.

The Giants' defenses have been bottom of the sport AWFUL 5 of the past 6 seasons.
RE: I'm  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/17/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14583131 Eric from BBI said:
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talking more about the fact that his benching came when his record was perfectly tied. What are the odds?


I suspect that wasn't a coincidence.

The Giants did screw up his last 6 years, but I'm more interested in what's to come. This season just got interesting again.
Eric, I remember your article after the second SB  
Moondawg : 9/17/2019 12:56 pm : link
and you were so optimistic. Totally out of character for us Giants fans, lol. The article was something like "hey, we've got a stud QB with two SB victories, and he's only halfway through his career."

Agree with SanFran's first post above. The Giants found a way to kick us in the balls when we had the rare indulgence in a little confidence.
I think it is only surprising to Giants fans  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2019 2:31 pm : link
Fans of other teams shake their heads in disbelief that Eli won two Super Bowls not that he is a .500 QB


I think the truth is in between and that starting every game is invaluable quality that is often overlooked

RE: Records can be misleading.  
cjac : 9/17/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14583343 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Eli Manning's combined numbers in 2014-2015 are as good as or better than any QB not named Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, yet the team went 12-20.

The Giants' defenses have been bottom of the sport AWFUL 5 of the past 6 seasons.


Stats can be misleading too, he racked up a lot of yards and TDs when the game was out of reach
You think his HOF chances are based solely on record??  
micky : 9/17/2019 3:28 pm : link
I think not. Heck there are a few Hof qb's in the Hall with below .500 record. Its based on other factors mostly. Yikes
He had a very unusual career  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 3:35 pm : link
He was a very good QB overall, not a great one I'd say. However, he was capable of elevating him game to a great level in the playoffs, something a lot of his peers could never do.

He could also look absolutely terrible sometimes as well.

I can't think of anyone else of similar stature who had such wild variance in his performances.
numbers very misleading  
bc4life : 9/17/2019 4:18 pm : link
Gilbride told them line was deteriorating and they ignored him. That was a major reason for a lot of those losses. and when they did start drafting OL - they couldn't have screwed it up more, until Hernandez. It's a team sport - it's not Eli's record, it's Eli and 52 other guys' record
RE: He had a very unusual career  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14584015 Greg from LI said:
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He was a very good QB overall, not a great one I'd say. However, he was capable of elevating him game to a great level in the playoffs, something a lot of his peers could never do.

He could also look absolutely terrible sometimes as well.

I can't think of anyone else of similar stature who had such wild variance in his performances.


Maybe Robert Horry in the NBA?
Horry was a role player though  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 4:38 pm : link
I don't know, kind of like Claude Lemieux? Not really a good comp, Eli was much better in his sport than Lemieux was in his, but similar kind of thing where he consistently played at another level when a championship was on the line.
RE: If you looked at the supporting casts the other aging superstar QB's  
joeinpa : 9/17/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14583038 PatersonPlank said:
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have gotten late in their careers, its a real shame. Big Ben has/had Antonio Brown, JuJu, Bell, and a good OL. Rivers had/has Gordon, LT, Keenan Allen, Gates, and a good OL. Eli has crap


Beckham , Barkley Engram and Shepherd werenít awful.

Eli had a good career, but like Parcells said.....
Horry??  
Johnny5 : 9/17/2019 6:51 pm : link
I'll go to my grave convinced that the game changed  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:08 pm : link
just enough in the middle of Eli's career that it accelerated his decline.

The college ranks went away from pro offenses to the spread and stopped producing enough NFL caliber linemen. The pro game changed to compensate, and before you knew it, it was difficult for the team to acquire and train (due to new CBA limitations) players that worked in Gilbride's offense.

Once that happened, Eli's days were numbered. Add to that his own physical decline, for a guy who wasn't the most athletic to begin with now playing in a game that favored more mobility from QBs. It ended up creating a demarcation point for his career - right around 2012.
RE: I never  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14583340 Steve in Greenwich said:
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understood why this number keeps getting brought up - completely ignoring his career 8-4 playoff record. He's 124-120 as a starter; end of story, its not like passing yards or whatever since people dont want to associated the added opportunity to get stats, but when it comes to record and judging a QB why wouldn't you include postseason record?

Oh thank God - that brings his winning pct. to .508! Talk about damning with faint praise.

If you want to say that the W/L record is every bit the product of the supporting cast and coaching (if not more so) as it is on the QB, that's a very reasonable argument and I think it's hard to argue against that.

And if you want to say that two Super Bowl victories are worth infinitely more than the career regular season W/L record, I think that's completely accurate.

But using a +4 postseason W/L to pad winning percentage in a 244 game set is not the most compelling case you can make.
It's not that unbelievable given the last 7 years  
Eric on Li : 9/17/2019 7:38 pm : link
or did they just fly by because we are all having so much fun? In a 16 year career that's a pretty big chunk...almost like the first half of his time here was one way and the second half was another...
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