This isn't about trading Beckham. It'll get addressed next offseason when we have a lot more cap room to move around with....and there's always the draft.
Given how slowly we've started the last several years, I felt the first four games would be our most critical this year. Having him miss those has hurt badly.
If we knew about the pending suspension in advance, then it was a bad signing. If we didn't, then I'd say it was more just bad luck.
DG is trying to balance long term goals alongside fielding a competitive team in the immediate. I think the Tate signing was a way to accomplish the latter.
There's still an organizational mandate to put asses in seats and you have coaches jobs on the line -- the team needed to add an NFL caliber receiver after Odell.
It depends on how aware they were of the looming suspension.
If they knew and still signed him - it looks worse. On the surface, it didn't bug me much. We're pretty low on WR talent as it was. He's been a pretty reliable target and is good after the catch.
He's not a WR1 - but we didn't really pay him to be one.
A guy like Ogletree looks to be a significantly worse acquisition at this point.
too early to tell, I'm still optimistic he's enough of a difference maker - not only for his contributions but also for other the route runners benefit.
Hindsight? Maybe. It’s four games let’s see how he looks when he returns.
What’s dumb? Maybe allowing the Beckham situation to deteriorate to the point where the giants felt compelled to trade him before his value decreased. Maybe once again the giants out thought themselves.
I know for a fact that firing coughlin while keeping Reese and promoting mcadoo to HC was very dumb. The data doesn’t lie. Hiring shurmur? Time will tell but I shudder to think he’s got another full year after this one to prove how worthless he is as a HC. This just feels dumb, but time will tell..
trading up for Deandre Baker was dumb.
trading Beckham for mostly Lawrence + Peppers was dumb.
changing to a 3-4 and bringing in bettcher was dumb.
etc.
it's a small sample size so maybe just maybe we should see how things play out.
Tate is a good player and we aren't exactly hurting for cap room going forward so I'd like to see him, you know, play a game before saying he was a dumb signing. I'd certainly prefer to see him on the receiving end of passes from Jones as opposed to Fowler starting.
how is the Tate signing dumb? They signed him for 2 years with a team option in year 3. No guaranteed money past the second year. For a WR of his caliber, the cap number is relatively fine. He's a good receiver and security blanket to have while Jones gets up to speed.
DG is trying to balance long term goals alongside fielding a competitive team in the immediate. I think the Tate signing was a way to accomplish the latter.
There's still an organizational mandate to put asses in seats and you have coaches jobs on the line -- the team needed to add an NFL caliber receiver after Odell.
It's not just about fielding a competitive team. You also need *some* talent around a QB for him to succeed (see David Carr). Surrounding DJ with SS and a piss poor oline (i.e. no Solder/Zeitler/Remmers) would be setting him up for failure, even with Barkley in the backfield.
They of course didn't literally mean "no plan" but they just meant either "a bad plan" or "an inability to stick to his rebuild plan". I am heartened to see people realizing that a lot of moves are a lot less genius than they may have thought.
Either way, it's not all bad -- the Tate contract is really a 2 year, 22 mil, so we can get out of it easily after next year. And it will be good for Jones to have another NFL competent receiver, if only for his overall development.
Because he was suspended? They needed a legitimate WR on the roster after dumping OBJ. Maybe there were better alternatives, but I don't know anymore. I'm tired of this.
Because he was suspended? They needed a legitimate WR on the roster after dumping OBJ. Maybe there were better alternatives, but I don't know anymore. I'm tired of this.
Agreed. Eric, Don’t you think the offense could have looked respectable against the Bills if Tate and Shepard had played?
btw aren't we seeing now what we look like w/o Tate? Â
They have a pretty easy out after next season. Is the contract length really a big issue?
If the plan is to develop Jones, he's got to have some semblance of a WR group. Sending him out there with something akin to what we put out there last week would be a good way to set him up for failure.
This isn't about trading Beckham. It'll get addressed next offseason when we have a lot more cap room to move around with....and there's always the draft.
I mean, other than Tom Brady who's going to excel with a bunch of nobodies at WR.
With all three of them we are OK. Without all three healthy, it's ugly.
If they didn't sign him, then Jones wold end up in the same situation...no NFL-caliber WRs.
Assuming that it was Tate or no one.
But, dang, Cole Beasley did look pretty good, didn't he?
Yeah, and frankly the primary reason I am still backing him is specifically because of his current draft record.
Zeitler for OV is at least defensible
Zeitler for OV is at least defensible
Eli Apple trade is a win.
There's no getting around it.
If we knew about the pending suspension in advance, then it was a bad signing. If we didn't, then I'd say it was more just bad luck.
Especially when trying to use the excuse that he was having trouble getting his wife pregnant when he just had two kids in less then 18 months.
There's still an organizational mandate to put asses in seats and you have coaches jobs on the line -- the team needed to add an NFL caliber receiver after Odell.
They most likely knew before the draft though.
If they knew and still signed him - it looks worse. On the surface, it didn't bug me much. We're pretty low on WR talent as it was. He's been a pretty reliable target and is good after the catch.
He's not a WR1 - but we didn't really pay him to be one.
A guy like Ogletree looks to be a significantly worse acquisition at this point.
What’s dumb? Maybe allowing the Beckham situation to deteriorate to the point where the giants felt compelled to trade him before his value decreased. Maybe once again the giants out thought themselves.
I know for a fact that firing coughlin while keeping Reese and promoting mcadoo to HC was very dumb. The data doesn’t lie. Hiring shurmur? Time will tell but I shudder to think he’s got another full year after this one to prove how worthless he is as a HC. This just feels dumb, but time will tell..
trading Beckham for mostly Lawrence + Peppers was dumb.
changing to a 3-4 and bringing in bettcher was dumb.
etc.
it's a small sample size so maybe just maybe we should see how things play out.
Tate is a good player and we aren't exactly hurting for cap room going forward so I'd like to see him, you know, play a game before saying he was a dumb signing. I'd certainly prefer to see him on the receiving end of passes from Jones as opposed to Fowler starting.
What exactly is the issue, and why is it dumb?
There's still an organizational mandate to put asses in seats and you have coaches jobs on the line -- the team needed to add an NFL caliber receiver after Odell.
It's not just about fielding a competitive team. You also need *some* talent around a QB for him to succeed (see David Carr). Surrounding DJ with SS and a piss poor oline (i.e. no Solder/Zeitler/Remmers) would be setting him up for failure, even with Barkley in the backfield.
Either way, it's not all bad -- the Tate contract is really a 2 year, 22 mil, so we can get out of it easily after next year. And it will be good for Jones to have another NFL competent receiver, if only for his overall development.
He hasn't done great in FA, but let's remember he drafted at 2 and at 6. Who has he hit on in the later rounds?
Agreed. Eric, Don’t you think the offense could have looked respectable against the Bills if Tate and Shepard had played?
I can think of much dumber moves the last six months:
Bethea
Keeping Eli
Peppers
Taney
Lauletta
Etc
I can think of much dumber moves the last six months:
Bethea
Keeping Eli
Peppers
Taney
Lauletta
Etc
Bethea is unbelievable. I can't imagine he just dropped off the cliff out of nowhere. Some of this had to be on film last year.
If the plan is to develop Jones, he's got to have some semblance of a WR group. Sending him out there with something akin to what we put out there last week would be a good way to set him up for failure.
I agree here. Who did we want instead? Chris Hogan? Tyrell Williams? Randell Cobb? Brown? Beasley?