Is dumb. His trades mostly suck,his free agent signings suck, the jury is out on his drafting prowess. I'm tired of reading here how well Gettleman has drafted because his draft picks are playing. They're mostly playing because this team is awful. Besides Barkley who looks like they're going to be a really good player? We have picked #2 and #6 in the entire draft the last two years so we should have some good young players. Do we? The mishandling of the OBJ contract, the mishandling of Eli's contract are just incredibly awful. I didn't think Jerry Reese was any good but his body of work FAR surpasses Gettleman's!
This idea that so many Giants were malcontents probably has a lot more to do with Giants leadership demanding an unearned reverence while losing than anything else.
Ooh... that's an interesting way to express it. I think you've worded what's wrong with management in my workplace better than I have.
Yes "managing" tech talent teaches you a lot about what Â
that word really means in this new world. I put that in quotes because titles matter a lot less when your skills are such a valuable and marketable commodity.
I see a lot of parallels between star engineers and professional athletes. Both have talent representation and easily transferable skills.
Treating OBJ like he has no power is dumb. He does. Pro athletes have lots more power with the rise of big brands and social media. I don't think the Giants way accounts for this.
I'm not even saying that they should have kept OBJ. Some people put themselves before a team and that is inexcusable for success. But they could have managed it better and also been decisive and consistent.
I have no idea what Mara was thinking getting into a public war of words with OBJ. DG and the Giants don't seem to grasp the fact that if you handle things in a certain way it doesn't even matter if you are right, both sides will look bad
It extends to front office talent too. I don't know how anyone would look at the Giants organization right now and say I want to work for them vs. another place. It came up when people were talking about the various team github libraries. People that have new and different ideas do not want to swim upstream, they want to hop in a boat with people already moving with the current
NGD....so you want the organization and coaches to bend over Â
Did you see how pissed off Dwayne Haskins was that we passed on him?
I think the New York market is alluring still which is why it would be nice if we could be less disastrous and capitalize on that.
Also the idea that we could manage talent better and nobody wanting to play for us are two different things.
If you notice I more talked about people not wanting to come in relation to front office talent. We talk up Abrams who has done exactly what? It would be nice to feel like we were doing something to attract new ideas and young talent there.
The idea that we aren't doing well attracting talent isn't outlandish based on the results, talk coming from the team and an examination of the qualifications of the people on our team. It's been beaten to death but only because the team continues to refuse to address the lack of talent infusion in creating a more modern organization.
Who hasn't wanted to come here that is considered front office talent? Â
But, while a deep threat was the goal behind the drafting of Slayton and the unfortunate season ending injury...the strategy behind Tate is obvious and hard to argue with ( in the short run, for he does have mileage):
Win the center middle of the field with SS and Tate and EE and Barkley via RPO offense.
Since LBs and slot corners and safeties with coverage skills are in short supply there are a lot of mismatches
Same strategy that BB and Brady have used to win several titles with relatively tough but not star receivers.
The choice to get him was reasonable. The results so far are on Tate
I’d turn the question around on you. What about our front office strikes you as us having talented people in it?
You are the one that made the statement that are stodgy ownership is shunning the top talent in football. That type of statement requires some type of evidence. Like I said before John Dorsey was interviewing for the GM job and took the Browns offer because it was there. The GM job of the Giants is considered way better than the Browns due to the flat structure they have in place with 5 decision makers. Louis Riddick was shitting on them before the season saying the structure they have in place is impossible to win. Billy B was another that has the same thoughts. Giants ownership generally stays out of football affairs unless it is the QB or someone that consider tarnishing the brand. That is way better than a lot of meddling owners.
DG took a Panther team that was in salary cap hell and cleaned that shit up. He had a record of 51-28 as GM. Under his stewardship they went to a superbowl. DG was only there 4 years, but he was GM of half the teams that the Panther sent to the playoffs in their history. If it weren't for him they still be vastly overpaying Josh Norman's ass. He drafted the two best running backs in football. He went up against ownership because they were getting sentimental and said fire me if I can't do my job.
Tate is a "last piece of the puzzle" kind of guy, not the future for a rebuilding team.
On-top-of-that - He's a slot guy, we have one (Shep).
If it's to placate the loss of OBJ, then we're to be pitied.
It was a stop gap signing and not a bad one either. The suspension sucks but it is what it is.
This thread is ridiculous.
The jury's still out on whether or not we have talented rookies anywhere! I think it might be safe to say Jones qualifies though.
This idea that so many Giants were malcontents probably has a lot more to do with Giants leadership demanding an unearned reverence while losing than anything else.
Ooh... that's an interesting way to express it. I think you've worded what's wrong with management in my workplace better than I have.
I see a lot of parallels between star engineers and professional athletes. Both have talent representation and easily transferable skills.
Treating OBJ like he has no power is dumb. He does. Pro athletes have lots more power with the rise of big brands and social media. I don't think the Giants way accounts for this.
I'm not even saying that they should have kept OBJ. Some people put themselves before a team and that is inexcusable for success. But they could have managed it better and also been decisive and consistent.
I have no idea what Mara was thinking getting into a public war of words with OBJ. DG and the Giants don't seem to grasp the fact that if you handle things in a certain way it doesn't even matter if you are right, both sides will look bad
It extends to front office talent too. I don't know how anyone would look at the Giants organization right now and say I want to work for them vs. another place. It came up when people were talking about the various team github libraries. People that have new and different ideas do not want to swim upstream, they want to hop in a boat with people already moving with the current
What you do is "lick your wounds" (from you mistakes like Stewart and Omameh), sign a bunch of JAGS (like he has) and live to see another day.
I think the New York market is alluring still which is why it would be nice if we could be less disastrous and capitalize on that.
Also the idea that we could manage talent better and nobody wanting to play for us are two different things.
If you notice I more talked about people not wanting to come in relation to front office talent. We talk up Abrams who has done exactly what? It would be nice to feel like we were doing something to attract new ideas and young talent there.
The idea that we aren't doing well attracting talent isn't outlandish based on the results, talk coming from the team and an examination of the qualifications of the people on our team. It's been beaten to death but only because the team continues to refuse to address the lack of talent infusion in creating a more modern organization.
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Tate is a "last piece of the puzzle" kind of guy, not the future for a rebuilding team.
On-top-of-that - He's a slot guy, we have one (Shep).
If it's to placate the loss of OBJ, then we're to be pitied.
It was a stop gap signing and not a bad one either. The suspension sucks but it is what it is.
This thread is ridiculous.
To me stop gap implies 1) there is talent on the other side of the gap 2) the resources employed are not consequential. Neither are true.
Thankfully the guarantees for his salary are voided by the PED suspension.
The suspension isn't what it is. It's because made and idiotic, collosal mistake.
But, while a deep threat was the goal behind the drafting of Slayton and the unfortunate season ending injury...the strategy behind Tate is obvious and hard to argue with ( in the short run, for he does have mileage):
Win the center middle of the field with SS and Tate and EE and Barkley via RPO offense.
Since LBs and slot corners and safeties with coverage skills are in short supply there are a lot of mismatches
Same strategy that BB and Brady have used to win several titles with relatively tough but not star receivers.
The choice to get him was reasonable. The results so far are on Tate
I’d turn the question around on you. What about our front office strikes you as us having talented people in it?
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I’d turn the question around on you. What about our front office strikes you as us having talented people in it?
You are the one that made the statement that are stodgy ownership is shunning the top talent in football. That type of statement requires some type of evidence. Like I said before John Dorsey was interviewing for the GM job and took the Browns offer because it was there. The GM job of the Giants is considered way better than the Browns due to the flat structure they have in place with 5 decision makers. Louis Riddick was shitting on them before the season saying the structure they have in place is impossible to win. Billy B was another that has the same thoughts. Giants ownership generally stays out of football affairs unless it is the QB or someone that consider tarnishing the brand. That is way better than a lot of meddling owners.
DG took a Panther team that was in salary cap hell and cleaned that shit up. He had a record of 51-28 as GM. Under his stewardship they went to a superbowl. DG was only there 4 years, but he was GM of half the teams that the Panther sent to the playoffs in their history. If it weren't for him they still be vastly overpaying Josh Norman's ass. He drafted the two best running backs in football. He went up against ownership because they were getting sentimental and said fire me if I can't do my job.
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Tate is a "last piece of the puzzle" kind of guy, not the future for a rebuilding team.
On-top-of-that - He's a slot guy, we have one (Shep).
If it's to placate the loss of OBJ, then we're to be pitied.
It was a stop gap signing and not a bad one either. The suspension sucks but it is what it is.
This thread is ridiculous.
To me stop gap implies 1) there is talent on the other side of the gap 2) the resources employed are not consequential. Neither are true.
Thankfully the guarantees for his salary are voided by the PED suspension.
The suspension isn't what it is. It's because made and idiotic, collosal mistake.
A stopgap is simply a player who temporarily fills a hole until the long term solution is acquired. Thats it. Dont overthink and nitpick everything.
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