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sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2019 12:21 pm
(let’s try this again)

“This move says nothing about Eli, it’s about developing Jones for the future.”

“Schurmur didn’t single out Eli yesterday, he said everybody needed to improve.”

Now says Shurmur is doing this because he feels he has to go keep his job and “not because it’s the right thing to do.”

Speculating Eli might be traded. Because Dotino doesn’t see the value of Eli sitting on bench and the team looking to 2020.

Joe asks shouldn’t have Giants let him go before the season so Eli could try to get another job.

Dotino says it looks like the Giants completely changed their philosophy after 2 games, this was a business decision not a football decision.
He  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 12:22 pm : link
sounds confused.
Dottino is both right and incredibly, stupidly wrong in the same  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2019 12:23 pm : link
interview.
.  
arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 12:24 pm : link
Dottino usually has too much of a hard time keeping his own opinions out of his reporting - often convoluting the actual message.

He's a shill and really nothing more.
how the hell is it a business decision?  
BillKo : 9/17/2019 12:25 pm : link
And not a football decision? LOL
RE: He  
RDJR : 9/17/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14583179 Eric from BBI said:
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sounds confused.


I heard the end of it and he was confused. Seemed as a company man he didn’t know what position to take.
If they are listening to Shurmur  
HomerJones45 : 9/17/2019 12:25 pm : link
and his .300 winning percentage, they should all have their heads examined.
This was a business decision  
Tesla : 9/17/2019 12:25 pm : link
and not a football decision? WTF is he talking about???

This is absolutely 100% a football decision. You can argue if it's a short term vs. longer term decision, but this is about making the 100% Giants a better football team in the long term, and likely the short term as well.
Dottino has mastered the art  
moespree : 9/17/2019 12:25 pm : link
Of using a lot words to say nothing. Every appearance is the same. Takes 10 minutes to answer something and never actually answers it.
Mentioned it on the other thread  
figgy2989 : 9/17/2019 12:26 pm : link
But I was laughing my ass off at Joe going after Dottino. Said something along the lines of you are this great Giants insider, how did you have no idea this was going on...

P-Dot did his typical back track on it. Dude is such a tool.
Hes a clown  
Rflairr : 9/17/2019 12:26 pm : link
Mr. Davis Webb is the guy.
RE: how the hell is it a business decision?  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14583195 BillKo said:
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And not a football decision? LOL


My guess:

Business - meaning DG and PS need an excuse for the shitty play

Football - Eli still better than DJ

But while both points may be true, Eli is no longer a top QB and has left a lot of plays on the field the last few seasons and more importantly, the first 2 games.
.  
Danny Kanell : 9/17/2019 12:27 pm : link
Speaking of incompetence...
He’s just mad  
MtDizzle : 9/17/2019 12:29 pm : link
because he was wrong and won’t own up to it.
This guy is a clown  
Giantfan21 : 9/17/2019 12:31 pm : link
and is pretty much wrong on every point he made here
..  
ryanmkeane : 9/17/2019 12:31 pm : link
Giants could go 0-16 and he would find a way to not blame Eli
RE: ..  
BillKo : 9/17/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14583242 ryanmkeane said:
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Giants could go 0-16 and he would find a way to not blame Eli


if we go 0-16 it certainly won't be Eli's fault now lol
Clearly it's a big-picture decision. The preseason  
CT Charlie : 9/17/2019 12:34 pm : link
gave everyone, including Gettleman and Shurmur, unrealistic hope that we could be somewhat competitive. So they were happy giving Eli a shot at bumping up his career W-L record and letting Jones take notes.

When it became clear the defense isn't good enough to give us more than a handful of wins -- with Eli OR Jones -- they decided to give Jones a full season of live experience, preserve Eli's legacy here, and hope that Jones will be excellent by September 2020.
Agree, Paulie D drives me insane  
V.I.G. : 9/17/2019 12:35 pm : link
But on this occasion, I wonder how much he is going out on a limb or this was after any chats with Hanlon. It sounds like the former.
I don't listen to him..  
AndyMilligan : 9/17/2019 12:36 pm : link
..but Dotino doesn't sound like he knows football.
RE: Dottino has mastered the art  
Gregorio : 9/17/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14583201 moespree said:
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Of using a lot words to say nothing. Every appearance is the same. Takes 10 minutes to answer something and never actually answers it.


So true. He sounds like a good listen, but I often finding myself no more informed than before listening.
RE: This guy is a clown  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14583241 Giantfan21 said:
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and is pretty much wrong on every point he made here


The first two sentences are accurate. Everything else is just dumb.
of course he's confused  
bigbluehoya : 9/17/2019 12:37 pm : link
he's been carrying the water for the FO on their (mis)management of the Eli situation for well over a season now. He was one of the main mouthpieces through which this past offseason's messages were trickled out to the fans.

Ain't always easy being the messenger. He naturally looks as foolish as anyone once when the obviously shitty plan turns out to be shit.
Dottino sounds alot like JTGIANTS  
twostepgiants : 9/17/2019 12:38 pm : link
Just saying
Paul Dotino  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/17/2019 12:41 pm : link
I got to say that I like him. His energy and enthusiasm. That said, he is like your crazy uncle who you like, but you just kind of shake your head and save up what he says to laugh about after he leaves the room.

He seems pretty harmless if you aren't depending on great wisdom to come cascading out of his mouth.
I feel bad for him  
arniefez : 9/17/2019 12:43 pm : link
It's hard being Baghdad Bob for the Mara's. The Mara's can't stay on message how is he supposed to?
RE: RE: This guy is a clown  
Giantfan21 : 9/17/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14583272 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and is pretty much wrong on every point he made here



The first two sentences are accurate. Everything else is just dumb.


The 1st sentence that this has nothing to do with Eli is BS. I dont believe that for a second. IF Eli was producing at a high level they would give him more rope to turn this around, i truly believe that. They are seeing on film what most giants fans see and combined with his declining play and them being high on jones decided it was time to make a move.

The second sentence wasn't him giving an opinion , he was just repeating what shurmur said yesterday.

Every other point here which is an opinion of his is garbage. Also, the fact that he is eli #1 fan makes it very hard for him to be an unbiased reporter
It's Hard To Take Anything Dotino Says Seriously  
Bernie : 9/17/2019 12:46 pm : link
This is a guy who talked all summer about how the abundance of talent was going to make the final cuts very difficult. Well Paul, the final cuts might have been difficult, but it was not because of the high level of talent.
Dottino  
nygnyy274 : 9/17/2019 12:48 pm : link
In April said giants do not take a QB especially Jones at 6. He was wrong. He said the two weeks ago on fan when Joe asked him do you think Jones plays right away and Dottino said no way he plays right and could see him not playing at all this year but if he does play it will be some time in November. Wrong again. The guy is never right.
It’s a business decision  
igotyourbackman : 9/17/2019 12:49 pm : link
In that they want people to watch and show up at the stadium. Otherwise I know I would have checked out for rest of the season
Dotino is a joke, there are two types of people in the world.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 12:52 pm : link
The people that have integrity and those that are willing to trade it for a paycheck.
who in their right mind would pay $17 million for eli?  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/17/2019 12:54 pm : link
P Dot, ralph V and a handful of people on BBI are the only people who don't see the writing that's been on the wall for 2+ years now
RE: Dotino is a joke, there are two types of people in the world.  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14583362 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The people that have integrity and those that are willing to trade it for a paycheck.


So high unemployment is due to a more virtuous population.

Weird.
RE: It’s a business decision  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14583354 igotyourbackman said:
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In that they want people to watch and show up at the stadium. Otherwise I know I would have checked out for rest of the season


Eh, most casual fans will checkout anyway unless DJ somehow sparks a fire in the team and wins enough to keep them competitive (unlikely with this D).

RE: RE: RE: This guy is a clown  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14583314 Giantfan21 said:
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The 1st sentence that this has nothing to do with Eli is BS. I dont believe that for a second. IF Eli was producing at a high level they would give him more rope to turn this around, i truly believe that.



There is no "turning this around". The defense is non-professional right now. This isn't a playoff team. They don't even have the scent of possibly being a playoff team. They still lack talent in too many areas. It's about finally turning the page on that era, starting DJ's career, and evaluating everyone to see who moves forward with DJ.
RE: who in their right mind would pay $17 million for eli?  
Bernie : 9/17/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14583367 Ned In Atlanta said:
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P Dot, ralph V and a handful of people on BBI are the only people who don't see the writing that's been on the wall for 2+ years now


Actually they would be paying ~$10 million as that is what is left of his salary this year. The bonuses have all been paid. But your point is well taken.
I go back and forth on who  
Enzo : 9/17/2019 12:59 pm : link
is the most ridiculous Giants employee - Dottino or Hanlon.
Dottino is a dope  
mrvax : 9/17/2019 1:02 pm : link
when he says DJ is starting to get ready for next year. He is 100% starting to get the wins needed to keep PS's job.

If DJ does well this year , PS will be sitting pretty.
Dottino can't be serious when he suggests that other teams  
GeofromNJ : 9/17/2019 1:07 pm : link
would have an interest in trading for Manning. Besides, the Giants won't do it. Eli is the ideal backup for Jones who could easily get injured. Tanney is not a guy I want behind center.
mrvax  
arniefez : 9/17/2019 1:08 pm : link
100% accurate and not just Shurmur but Gettleman too. This is their last card. I hope for all our sakes and Jones sake this is the start of an even better career with more Super Bowls than Eli but I can't imagine how that will happen with this coaching staff and GM. But I think we're in for 2 more years of Shurmur and Gettleman if Mara past is any prologue.
RE: Dottino can't be serious when he suggests that other teams  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14583438 GeofromNJ said:
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would have an interest in trading for Manning. Besides, the Giants won't do it. Eli is the ideal backup for Jones who could easily get injured. Tanney is not a guy I want behind center.


It was really a confusing mess of an interview. One of the teams he mentioned Eli being traded to was the Saints. Um, that’s why they have Bridgewater, genius.

I hope they post the audio, it was a fun listen.
RE: This was a business decision  
Rong5611 : 9/17/2019 2:09 pm : link
It is always about business. The Giants were advertising that "limited" season tickets are available on TV during the pre-season games. That's unheard of, only the Jets need to do that, right?

Let's face it, its alot of money to attend these games. I went to the home opener, it wasn't full. Lots of Bills fans in attendance too. Fans gave up their seats...to the home opener.

The "product" has sucked since the last Super Bowl.
Right now, many of their potential customers are spending their money elsewhere. Do you blame them? The team needs to get back to winning to earn more money from tickets, concessions, merchandise, etc. They need to make changes and re-build the "brand".

DJ signifies a fresh start..hopefully he's a franchise QB who can lead the Giants into the next era and another championship (s).


In comment 14583200 Tesla said:
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and not a football decision? WTF is he talking about???

This is absolutely 100% a football decision. You can argue if it's a short term vs. longer term decision, but this is about making the 100% Giants a better football team in the long term, and likely the short term as well.
RE: He  
Nine-Tails : 9/17/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14583179 Eric from BBI said:
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sounds confused.


He's tool who's upset that his guys(Eli and Webb) aren't living up to his predictions
RE: Dottino can't be serious when he suggests that other teams  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14583438 GeofromNJ said:
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would have an interest in trading for Manning. Besides, the Giants won't do it. Eli is the ideal backup for Jones who could easily get injured. Tanney is not a guy I want behind center.


That's dumb. If you're saying you're not going anywhere but to wherever they're holding the 202 draft, then it doesn't matter who the backup QB is.
RE: RE: Dottino can't be serious when he suggests that other teams  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14583573 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 14583438 GeofromNJ said:


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would have an interest in trading for Manning. Besides, the Giants won't do it. Eli is the ideal backup for Jones who could easily get injured. Tanney is not a guy I want behind center.



It was really a confusing mess of an interview. One of the teams he mentioned Eli being traded to was the Saints. Um, that’s why they have Bridgewater, genius.

I hope they post the audio, it was a fun listen.


Bridgwater, from every account I have heard, is terrible. Assuming that they would even want Eli, the main impediment might be that Brees will be back sooner or later this season.
RE: I go back and forth on who  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14583399 Enzo said:
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is the most ridiculous Giants employee - Dottino or Hanlon.


The same Hanlon who makes sure that families of bereaved BBIers get flowers or who gets balls signed, etc?
He was wrong quite alot over the past few years.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/17/2019 2:17 pm : link
Just like quite a few on here.
RE: RE: I go back and forth on who  
Enzo : 9/17/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14583710 Bill L said:
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In comment 14583399 Enzo said:


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is the most ridiculous Giants employee - Dottino or Hanlon.



The same Hanlon who makes sure that families of bereaved BBIers get flowers or who gets balls signed, etc?

unfortunately his job involves slightly more than that.

To me,  
David B. : 9/17/2019 2:29 pm : link
means keep fans in seats.. Empty seats are the ONLY thing that has ever moved the Maras to take action.

Football minimally needs to be entertaining for me to watch it. When it's not, I don't need the aggravation and I can find better things to do with my time. And if I was a ticket holder, there's no way I'd pay to watch this shit show.

At 0-2, I was about to quit watching games again (and just record them) for yet another season. Now, with Jones in, I'll likely keep watching because it may be fun to watch his development even if the team keeps losing (which now remains even more likely).

So if the Giants can't field a competitive team, they better put something of interest on the field, or seats will be empty, and front office jobs will be lost.

That something -- the only something they have -- is the supposed next Franchise QB. If he struggles, he's supposed to as a rookie, and will be given some slack. If he wins some games, so much the better. It will provide a glimmer of hope for the post-Eli era.

And in that respect, it really doesn't have much to do with Eli. No matter how well he plays, Eli won't keep butts in seats if the team is losing due to, say, the total lack of defense. Even Barkley won't do that.
Paul Dottino is pretty brutal  
Matt G : 9/17/2019 3:14 pm : link
when it comes to applying logic
RE: It’s a business decision  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14583354 igotyourbackman said:
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In that they want people to watch and show up at the stadium. Otherwise I know I would have checked out for rest of the season


I took it to mean the same - not that Dottino is necessarily right, but I think that's what he meant.
David B.  
arniefez : 9/17/2019 3:25 pm : link
If you were a season ticket holder you'd be f**ked. Because if you had two seats you would probably have paid somewhere between 5K and 10K on average or more for the right to keep buying tickets to this s**t show. If you stopped buying the tickets you're out the PSL money.

Once the suckers ponied up the PSL money the Mara's owned them. I went to games for 25 years and gave up my tickets a long time ago. But there is no way in hell I would have ever signed up for a PSL. You have to be a complete idiot.
arniefez  
David B. : 9/17/2019 3:35 pm : link
I get that. But even if I had just procured tickets for a game or two, I'd be trying to dump them to some dad who wants to take his kid to a game. Even if I could dump them, I wouldn't be going.
RE: how the hell is it a business decision?  
Eman11 : 9/17/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14583195 BillKo said:
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And not a football decision? LOL


He's not the only one who's said this and it's based on Mara seeing a half empty stadium late Sunday and not wanting that to get worse. Jones playing woll at the very least bring people out to the games and keep them there.

David Diehl said something similar. It's not the the only reason but its part of it.
Personally I see Shurmur overreacting...  
Torrag : 9/17/2019 5:24 pm : link
and making this move a bit too soon. I'd have let it play out through four weeks to see what's what. Jones isn't going to come in and flip the script with the WR's currently available anyway.
Dottino said  
joeinpa : 9/17/2019 6:32 pm : link
Repeatedly Jones does not play until 2020 and maybe not even then. His reporting on the quarterback for two years have not been objective because of his loyalty to Eli.

He gave very little legitimate info on this topic
Did he say  
jeff57 : 9/17/2019 6:39 pm : link
It was a great opportunity for Davis Webb?
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