for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Sweat vs Lawrence

Now Mike in MD : 9/17/2019 12:53 pm
A lot of fans were upset that we passed on Sweat and drafted Lawrence. Admittedly, it is very early in their careers, but Sweat this season has had zero QB hits or pressures as the starting OLB for the Redskins. I've watched a lot of the Skins, Sweat has zero moves. All he does is run up field and if he doesn't win with speed, he's done. Meanwhile, Lawrence while he is not lighting the world on fire, seems to be doing a good job clogging the middle and has several QB pressures. Allen hasn't done a whole lot either. Possible cautionary tale on drafting edge rushers who rely on speed alone.
It amazes me we're comparing  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/17/2019 12:55 pm : link
rookies after 8 quarters of Nfl action
I've  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 12:55 pm : link
seen a lot of posts lately condemning the selection of Lawrence.

Lawrence is going to be a very good player for us for many years.
Allen...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/17/2019 12:56 pm : link
...also has no sacks.

It early. They're all rookies.
RE: I've  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14583376 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
seen a lot of posts lately condemning the selection of Lawrence.

Lawrence is going to be a very good player for us for many years.


Yeah all the mouthbreathers are screaming about Snacks and taking Lawrence and grabbing a passrusher with that spot. Well the only one available in that vicinity was Sweat. They forget to mention he hasn't done much either in two weeks.
Different players though  
figgy2989 : 9/17/2019 12:57 pm : link
Sweat is a pass rusher, Lawrence is a gap stuffing behemoth of a man who can occasionally rush the passer.
RE: Different players though  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14583390 figgy2989 said:
Quote:
Sweat is a pass rusher, Lawrence is a gap stuffing behemoth of a man who can occasionally rush the passer.


Lawrence is going to be one of those guys who absolutely controls the line of scrimmage. Look at what Ngata did for the Ravens defense.
RE: It amazes me we're comparing  
giants#1 : 9/17/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14583375 Ned In Atlanta said:
Quote:
rookies after 8 quarters of Nfl action


Especially considering 4 of those quarters for each player came against one of the top OL in the league...
RE: It amazes me we're comparing  
allstarjim : 9/17/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14583375 Ned In Atlanta said:
Quote:
rookies after 8 quarters of Nfl action


It's...special.
RE: I've  
arcarsenal : 9/17/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14583376 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
seen a lot of posts lately condemning the selection of Lawrence.

Lawrence is going to be a very good player for us for many years.


Yeah, I think this is just a symptom of most things are bad, so everything must be bad.

I thought Lawrence was a really good pick and expect him to be a key cog on this defensive line for a while.
I understand it's been 8 quarters  
Now Mike in MD : 9/17/2019 1:07 pm : link
and I'm not saying you can reach definitive conclusions, but in watching Sweat, his complete lack of any pass rushing moves is pretty damning.

And it's also no more ridiculous than Giants fans who want to damn the Baker and Lawrence picks already
PFF on Lawrence  
Randy_Lahey : 9/17/2019 1:07 pm : link
Quote:
2019 overall grade: 75.6
Dexter Lawrence had a mightily impressive performance in Week 2 against the Buffalo Bills and dominated in almost every facet of play. He earned 65.0-plus grades as a run defender (78.0), tackler (70.0) and pass-rusher (65.3) after he recorded three hurries and three defensive stops on his 34 defensive snaps. He ended the week with an 82.2 overall grade that ranked 11th among 111 interior defenders who saw meaningful action this Sunday.


hes very good  
hitdog42 : 9/17/2019 1:09 pm : link
and will get better- easily the best thing we got from the trade.
I think Lawrence will be a very good player  
Rjanyg : 9/17/2019 1:14 pm : link
And while I really wanted Josh Allen, a player like Burns would have been worth moving up for.

Sweat had his heart condition that made him a chancy pick.
Reese would have traded up  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/17/2019 1:15 pm : link
to draft Sweat.
Does Laurence really weigh 342?  
mrvax : 9/17/2019 1:16 pm : link
Good grief, he a kid.
I'm thinking that most good DTs usually take 2-3 seasons to really produce and so they are brought along slowly. I think watching the 2021 Lawrence is going to be special.
RE: Allen...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/17/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14583384 Brown_Hornet said:
Quote:
...also has no sacks.

It early. They're all rookies.

bbi would be in complete hysterics if he did that for the Giants.
RE: It amazes me we're comparing  
bluepepper : 9/17/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14583375 Ned In Atlanta said:
Quote:
rookies after 8 quarters of Nfl action

Just wait until we start getting the Jones/Haskins threads. Over/Under on that is next Monday morning.
RE: I've  
mdc1 : 9/17/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14583376 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
seen a lot of posts lately condemning the selection of Lawrence.

Lawrence is going to be a very good player for us for many years.


this
RE: Does Laurence really weigh 342?  
BillT : 9/17/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14583468 mrvax said:
Quote:
Good grief, he a kid.
I'm thinking that most good DTs usually take 2-3 seasons to really produce and so they are brought along slowly. I think watching the 2021 Lawrence is going to be special.

He mentioned he really likes to play in the mid 320s and was hoping to be there in training camp but I never saw any follow up from the press about it.
Sweat is a straight line player  
JonC : 9/17/2019 1:46 pm : link
whom had medical flags for his ticker. Given how many teams passed on him, you need to take it seriously.
Lawrence already starting to flash 2 games into career  
g-baby : 9/17/2019 1:55 pm : link
it is not easy to produce as a rookie DL in the NFL. Especially in this scheme where Lawrence is playing all over the line.

I agree with Eric that he can have a Ngata-like impact for our D.

I said this about him in Sy's game review thread -- that while he carries his immense size very cleanly, I don't think he is yet in shape to handle much more workload than he's already receiving. Very excited to see him continue to make plays this year and then a full offseason to work on his conditioning and he can be scary.
DT  
TommyWiseau : 9/17/2019 2:13 pm : link
Is one of the harder positions to transition to. Usually takes a few seasons
'still think Josh allen was the pick at 6'  
Dinger : 9/17/2019 2:14 pm : link
Ducks as shoes fly at his head....
Lawrence was a good pick  
ryanmkeane : 9/17/2019 2:33 pm : link
and he'll be awesome for us. He has played 2 games, and doesn't have much help in the form of pass rushers on the outside. Let the record show that we've also gone up against two of the best OL's in football the first two weeks. And, you could argue Lawrence has actually played pretty stout.
Xavier  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/17/2019 3:09 pm : link
showing more than the bums Sweat and Allen combined.
oops  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/17/2019 3:10 pm : link
Ximines
Both DT and DE are tough positions  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 3:15 pm : link
that take time to develop.. You can't judge anything after 8 quarter.. I'd rather have taken Lawrence before Sweat.. but my thought process is..I still believe that Lawrence is the guy that clogs up the middle and not a 3 tech kinda guy who can pressure up the middle consistently..He couldn't even do that in college.. I still think that is Lawrence's mold and we had that.. Snacks was the best at that in the whole NFL.. and we traded him for a 5th round pick.. Snacks wasn't some scrub or above average player.. he was the absolute best run stuffing DT in the game..

That just shows me that we as a team don't have a plan.. and that sucks..
RE: Both DT and DE are tough positions  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14583950 chuckydee9 said:
Quote:
that take time to develop.. You can't judge anything after 8 quarter.. I'd rather have taken Lawrence before Sweat.. but my thought process is..I still believe that Lawrence is the guy that clogs up the middle and not a 3 tech kinda guy who can pressure up the middle consistently..He couldn't even do that in college.. I still think that is Lawrence's mold and we had that.. Snacks was the best at that in the whole NFL.. and we traded him for a 5th round pick.. Snacks wasn't some scrub or above average player.. he was the absolute best run stuffing DT in the game..

That just shows me that we as a team don't have a plan.. and that sucks..


That and we invested in DT and BJ Hill who all give you the same strength.. you can't have 3 players who all have the same weakness, plan on the same DL and expect to get pressure.. DG should have assessed what he had inherited and either moved on from the others or drafted someone who can compliment them..
While  
Photoguy : 9/17/2019 3:48 pm : link
there may be a natural tendency to compare players you drafted with players that were drafted by other teams, it's a fruitless excercise. For various reasons, it just is a waste of time.
Here's  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 3:56 pm : link
what Lawrence, Sweat, Allen, and Baker all have in common: they're rookies. Rookies typically struggle.
people knock the Lawrence pick  
bc4life : 9/17/2019 4:21 pm : link
because they don't watch the games or don't know what they're watching. You cannot judge his position without replaying the game.
I was full dork for Ed Oliver at 6  
idiotsavant : 9/17/2019 4:27 pm : link
Than Lawrence at 17. That's the start of a hecka line .

Obviously if D. Jones is good that's an important piece. Understatement.
Sweaty Hands  
Gruber : 9/17/2019 4:54 pm : link
I thought the verdict on Montez Sweat at draft time was that he's a great athlete, but has poor footballing instincts. Numbers of analysts/BBI posters were saying he's overrated, so maybe not surprising.
RE: RE: Both DT and DE are tough positions  
Section331 : 9/17/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14583959 chuckydee9 said:
Quote:


That just shows me that we as a team don't have a plan.. and that sucks..



That and we invested in DT and BJ Hill who all give you the same strength.. you can't have 3 players who all have the same weakness, plan on the same DL and expect to get pressure.. DG should have assessed what he had inherited and either moved on from the others or drafted someone who can compliment them..


Lawrence showed good pass rush abilities as a frosh, and then hurt his ankle. Not saying that they're right, but I think the Giants felt that Lawrence could become a good interior pass rusher as well as a run stuffer. He's also 9 years younger than Snacks.
Lawrence is a semi you park between DEs  
x meadowlander : 9/17/2019 6:14 pm : link
That's his skillset and he's great at it. He will be Snacks2.0, give him time.
Lawrence..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2019 6:41 pm : link
has to watch his blows on unprotected players.

He might brush a RB on the arm and get a penalty....
Lawrence was definitely the safer choice. Some football people like  
Ira : 9/17/2019 6:51 pm : link
to gamble that they can teach great athletes to be be great football players. It usually doesn't work out.
RE: Lawrence is a semi you park between DEs  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14584517 x meadowlander said:
Quote:
That's his skillset and he's great at it. He will be Snacks2.0, give him time.


I don't doubt that.. I also agree with the other poster that you put him next to 2 DE.. we put him next to 2 strong and slower DT and called them DE.. Its the plan I hate.. not the player.. Lawrence was the best DL on a team with the best DL in college..
RE: RE: Lawrence is a semi you park between DEs  
nygiants16 : 9/17/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14584857 chuckydee9 said:
Quote:
In comment 14584517 x meadowlander said:


Quote:


That's his skillset and he's great at it. He will be Snacks2.0, give him time.



I don't doubt that.. I also agree with the other poster that you put him next to 2 DE.. we put him next to 2 strong and slower DT and called them DE.. Its the plan I hate.. not the player.. Lawrence was the best DL on a team with the best DL in college..


that is how a 3-4 works, the dedensive ends are usually dts in a 4-3...

giants need to get better linebackers but the 3 down lineman are fine
RE: I've  
djm : 9/17/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14583376 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
seen a lot of posts lately condemning the selection of Lawrence.

Lawrence is going to be a very good player for us for many years.


He stands out to me. We have two solutions on the DL with Lawrence and hill. Thomlinson is solid but I’d like an additional blue chip talent there as well to push the group forward. DL is by far the best unit on D but it needs one more player.
RE: RE: Lawrence is a semi you park between DEs  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/18/2019 12:04 am : link
In comment 14584857 chuckydee9 said:
Quote:
In comment 14584517 x meadowlander said:


Quote:


That's his skillset and he's great at it. He will be Snacks2.0, give him time.



I don't doubt that.. I also agree with the other poster that you put him next to 2 DE.. we put him next to 2 strong and slower DT and called them DE.. Its the plan I hate.. not the player.. Lawrence was the best DL on a team with the best DL in college..


Good thing is that Lawrence can play in a 3-4 or a 4-3. Betcher sucks. He’s pretty much done about as bad a job as possible. Keep saying it but he’s Tim Lewis.
RE: RE: RE: Lawrence is a semi you park between DEs  
chuckydee9 : 9/18/2019 12:49 am : link
In comment 14584863 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 14584857 chuckydee9 said:


Quote:


In comment 14584517 x meadowlander said:


Quote:


That's his skillset and he's great at it. He will be Snacks2.0, give him time.



I don't doubt that.. I also agree with the other poster that you put him next to 2 DE.. we put him next to 2 strong and slower DT and called them DE.. Its the plan I hate.. not the player.. Lawrence was the best DL on a team with the best DL in college..



that is how a 3-4 works, the dedensive ends are usually dts in a 4-3...

giants need to get better linebackers but the 3 down lineman are fine

To clarify.. the DEs in 3-4 are more like 3 tech DT.. pass rushing types.. our DE are not like that.. these guys are DT in both 3-4 and 4-3..Hill may be.. but Tomlinson definitely can't he Used as an Effective DE..
Back to the Corner