Is DJ auditioning

No way they switch direction after 1 year.

Shurmur and Gettleman will get 2020 and probably 2021 to win with their guy.

he is your qb for the next few years at minimum...

remember eli was bad his rookie year

will have as many as 14 games to show (at the very least) some flashes. Teams normally don't move on from high pick QB's after 1 season but Josh Rosen went 10th, played 14 games and was dumped so presumably if Jones is "awful" over a 14 game sample the Giants taking a QB again is not "impossible". Unlikely, however.

In comment 14583819 nygiants16 said:

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he is your qb for the next few years at minimum... remember eli was bad his rookie year

Tell that to Josh Rosen.

Unless Jones looks like the worst QB to ever play the game.

Jones gets at least two years. If he looks bad in 2020 at least the Giants will have their shot at Lawrence and Justin Fields in 2021.

He was pretty brutal and had they gave up on him and drafted a QB the following year?

Based on what just happened with them, my answer is yes. If the Giants have a top 5 pick in the draft, you have to strongly consider drafting another QB if Jones is not what you hoped he would be

In comment 14583825 Josh in the City said:

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In comment 14583819 nygiants16 said: Quote: he is your qb for the next few years at minimum... remember eli was bad his rookie year Tell that to Josh Rosen.

Rosen is no the norm.

of course. If Jones looks awful and the Giants finish 1-15 and end up at #1, we'll likely have a new GM and coach and they'll take a good hard look at Tua.

Most likely (given what we've seen so far), he shows enough that DG and coach get a third year and Jones gets a full camp as starter.

is a caveat here (and I don't think DJ falls on his face) BUT... if the Giants are horrendous AND Jones is terrible, then Gettleman is likely a goner. If Gettleman is a goner and the Mara's want to bring in a GM to stop the bleeding aka a respected top-notch name then that candidate likely will be given "full autonomy" (or close to it) which presumably would include their evaluation of a QB that THEY (the candidate) has nothing invested in.

unless Mara uncharacteristically decides to ax DG.

DJ would have to be at least as bad as Josh Rosen was last year for them to consider drafting another QB. That's 55% 11 TD 14 INT 162 y/g and 10% sack%. And perhaps more importantly, never even showing "glimpses". Rosen only had 3 games where he threw for >200 yards and in 2 of those he had 0 TDs and 1 INT (each game).

If DJ is at least as good as Darnold, he'll quiet most concerns: 57% 17 TD 15 INT 220 y/g <7% sack% with a couple 300+ and/or 2+ TD/0 INT games sprinkled in.

In this upcoming draft, so I would hope so on a some level.

Arizona model for franchise building.

that had to be brought up in the meeting before they decided on this. Even if was a subtle suggestion. In other words "let's get him some experience and let's see what we got here".

Besides, we have so much that needs to be fixed on this team.

* Finding legitimate Pass Rushers
* Finding LBs
* A FS
* Finding younger OTs
* Finding WRs that scare an opposing defense.

14 games is a decent sample size behind an average to slightly above average offensive line, with a few high quality offensive weapons (Barkley and Engram). With their defense they are likely picking near the top of this draft and it's looking like there are some very good QB prospects this year.

that we will look at least competent.

There is little downside risk with Jones.

The question to be answered is does he have the upside needed to get back to the playoffs and go far.

Yeah, they could take a QB with their first pick. That's what Arizona did.

Does someone think they are going to base their decision off his rookie year? This team has soo many holes they drafted him 6 because they believe in him as the QB of the Future. Draft next year is for Pass Rushers, WR, OL, LB

If the Giants draft another QB next season, Gettleman better be fired.

to blindly accept someone without evaluating their play is fucking stupid, especially if we are in the top 5 in the draft with QBs sitting there that have worked offensive schemes more complicated than ours.

Taking a quarterback in the first round should absolutely be on the list of viable alternatives. Do not just give Jones the job on scholarship.

Abandon the antiquated franchise quarterback model already.

if we have a top 5 pick the conversation can and should be open to see if we draft one of the top QBs this year.

If we pick out of the top 5 great very legitimately off the table.

The evaluation if we pick in the top 5 of course has a lot to do with how good DJ and our offense looks. But wins is an important stat for a QB. You can't disregard our horrendous defense though, it looks horrendous.

In comment 14583838 DanMetroMan said:

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is a caveat here (and I don't think DJ falls on his face) BUT... if the Giants are horrendous AND Jones is terrible, then Gettleman is likely a goner. If Gettleman is a goner and the Mara's want to bring in a GM to stop the bleeding aka a respected top-notch name then that candidate likely will be given "full autonomy" (or close to it) which presumably would include their evaluation of a QB that THEY (the candidate) has nothing invested in.

Great point. A future GM can't care about what a previous regime did........

In comment 14583818 ron mexico said:

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No way they switch direction after 1 year. Shurmur and Gettleman will get 2020 and probably 2021 to win with their guy.

I think it would have to depend... if Shurmur gets fired and his replacement isn't onboard with Jones, the Giants should allow that replacement to draft a QB he's got more conviction about.

Of course, the Giants likely won't fire Shurmur, and if they did, they likely wouldn't hire a coach who wasn't onboard with Jones, so I guess it's academic.

DJ has to show signs of what he showed in pre season and maybe progress along the way
Obviously if we have a top 5 pick and qb is there, u have to consider everything
hopefully jones looks good and they trade picks for like 4-5 picks
we need them

In comment 14583828 figgy2989 said:

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He was pretty brutal and had they gave up on him and drafted a QB the following year?

Some differences here.

1) Eli only started 7 games as a rookie, DJ will start as many as double.

2) Eli was seen as a can't miss QB in terms of a solid NFL starter as his downside. Jones was much maligned (I'm not knocking Jones at all, just the pedigree/evaluation at the time the picks were made)

3) In the 2005 NFL draft the Giants pick was 12th overall (Chargers had their pick), 0 QB's were picked from pick 2-23. In a scenario where the Giants are "awful" and DJ is terrible the Giants likely have a shot at a "top" QB prospect.

4) Eli did in fact show flashes. Games against the Steelers and Cowboys in particular.

5) The coach with input in both the pick and his development remained for his 2nd season, as did the GM who drafted him. That may not be the case here.

ALL of that being said I expect DJ to show enough where this isn't even a question.

In comment 14583838 DanMetroMan said:

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is a caveat here (and I don't think DJ falls on his face) BUT... if the Giants are horrendous AND Jones is terrible, then Gettleman is likely a goner. If Gettleman is a goner and the Mara's want to bring in a GM to stop the bleeding aka a respected top-notch name then that candidate likely will be given "full autonomy" (or close to it) which presumably would include their evaluation of a QB that THEY (the candidate) has nothing invested in.

who would be a respected top notch GM they could bring in?

Its not like there are a bunch of guys out there just waiting for the perfect opportunity to come out of retirement.

put on the clock with this move. DG, PS and Danny Dimes.

If Danny Dimes is a flop - the team shows no improvement for the remainder of the season - and the team continues to be an utter embarrassment...ownership SHOULD clean house.

it's the NFL.

Let's hope for signs.
-great preparation
-decision making; bot pre and post snap
-making sure he can handle all the throws
-how does weather effects him, playing in Philly

I hope he makes a lot of mistakes but as the season progresses he limits them. We just want to see that a few he has it moments and enough failures that he can learn and be ready to lead the team to the playoffs next year.

In comment 14583874 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14583838 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a caveat here (and I don't think DJ falls on his face) BUT... if the Giants are horrendous AND Jones is terrible, then Gettleman is likely a goner. If Gettleman is a goner and the Mara's want to bring in a GM to stop the bleeding aka a respected top-notch name then that candidate likely will be given "full autonomy" (or close to it) which presumably would include their evaluation of a QB that THEY (the candidate) has nothing invested in. who would be a respected top notch GM they could bring in? Its not like there are a bunch of guys out there just waiting for the perfect opportunity to come out of retirement.

I'd be lying if I said I could answer that but I'm sure there are those on BBI who could. Guys who will have their pick of jobs because they are highly thought of. I think DJ is going to prove to be a good/solid QB so this isn't dumping on him but he's certainly not such a big prospect I'd force him down a future GM's throat if he "sucks" for 14 games.

Also the only way this changes is if Gettleman gets fired and the Giants have the longest leash in the NFL when it comes to GMs

The Giants will draft high next year continue to try and build a team around Saquon and Jones through the draft and FA

In comment 14583837 Metnut said:

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of course. If Jones looks awful and the Giants finish 1-15 and end up at #1, we'll likely have a new GM and coach and they'll take a good hard look at Tua. Most likely (given what we've seen so far), he shows enough that DG and coach get a third year and Jones gets a full camp as starter.

That’s my point. New GM and Tua is there for them and Jones just doesn’t look like it works out. For the record I hope Jones is the next Giant QB for t10+ years.

but I doubt it is in the Giants minds right now. they are prepping him to be the next QB not holding a seat for something better.

just like any other year you evaluate the draft and the players. If you have Tom Brady in the draft and DJ is a Blake Bortles you take the QB again. If DJ is at least a Matt Ryan you trade the pick for a big haul. You can win with a good QB.

Because, if he isn't, this team is going to continue to be awful for quite a while.

picking another QB high if Jones does not perform well. If Jones doesn't play well this year, odds are you have a new regime anyway. With guys like Tua, Fromm, Hebert....

In comment 14583910 mitch300 said:

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In comment 14583837 Metnut said: Quote: of course. If Jones looks awful and the Giants finish 1-15 and end up at #1, we'll likely have a new GM and coach and they'll take a good hard look at Tua. Most likely (given what we've seen so far), he shows enough that DG and coach get a third year and Jones gets a full camp as starter. That’s my point. New GM and Tua is there for them and Jones just doesn’t look like it works out. For the record I hope Jones is the next Giant QB for t10+ years.

What have the Giants done that makes you think they would fire Gettleman after 2 years?
It's not happening.
This is the Giants they do not fire people that fast especially a GM.
Jones is going to have a brutal 14 weeks no doubt about it. But you hope he flashes at points that give you hope with the right talent around him he can be successful

They’re committed

isn't the new normal. You can't use a top 10 pick several years in the row on a QB. This team needs some stars in a lot of other positions than running back and QB.

mad. We picked Jones, we love Jone, he isn't going anywhere in year 2 (!!!). Why does everyone always seem to have an eye on the 'next best thing' these days? Man.

on a moped. Jone's hasn't played his first game, and some of you guys are already speculating on drafting a QB in the first round next year.

This place is ridiculous.

But it would likely take a regime change with a new head coach and GM that doesn't like Jones.

I think he should be given at least two years. In that way we’ll have a shot at Lawrence or Fields. But if it’s learned that Jones isn’t he guy, DG should be gone

Shurmur is a HC for him not to be the starter next year if he's healthy. I don't think that's likely or even possible. Also remember Eli's rookie year he was horrible so the same people who keep yelling the Giants were 0-2 in 2007 will now make Eli was terrible as rookie their new mantra. It will have as much relevance as the 2007 team does to the 2019 team.

unless Shurmur and DG are gone. Then, like in AZ, things could change

Jones would have to be as bad as Eli was in his first year and almost that bad in Year 2 before Shurmur loses his job.

Let’s see if a QB that fits his system makes him a better HC.

but based on what we've seen so far I think he'll show plenty to prevent us from drafting Herbert/Tua.

what the Cardinals did is not normal, and it still blows my mind that the Giants were blasted for taking Jones at #6 but no one ridiculed the Cardinals for using two top ten picks on QBs in two years!

Unless he suffers a career ending injury or is one of the biggest busts of all time this is Jones team for the next couple of years at least.