its unclear if he is first ballot or not- It is likely he is not due to some bias and also never being a regular season standout, and the Giants mismanaging his exit. -- but I don't think anyone should worry about him getting in.
imo but he will get in. When a few years pass he will be more fondly remembered.
Two Super Bowl MVP's the second one he literally carried the team, the streak, class, winning in NY will push him rightfully to the Hall hopefully next to TC.
He's a lock. First ballot might be the better debate and I don't think he gets first ballot but it depends on his competition at the time. Will he retire the same year as Ben? Brees? Etc.
When we know his competition at the time of eligibility, I'll be more comfortable taking a shot at first ballot.
-8th in TD's
-7th in Yards
-14 4th Quarter TD's and 7 4th Quarter Comebacks in 2011 -(NFL Records)
-Iron Man Streak*
-Walter Peyton Man of the Year
Intangibles:
-Can't tell the story of the NFL w/out the Manning Family
-The Tyree Catch is a signature play that will be played in 50 years with the Immaculate Reception and others.
but the voters being who they are, Eli having had that pre-draft scrape, his overall record and an anti-NY bias among sportswriters, I think he'll end up going in on the second go-around.
think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.
I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
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think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.
I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
but the voters being who they are, Eli having had that pre-draft scrape, his overall record and an anti-NY bias among sportswriters, I think he'll end up going in on the second go-around.
Anti NY bias - most people today talking about it put playing in NY as a plus as far as Hall of Fame chances are concerned in all sports.
But if not so what? He gets to keep the two Super Bowl MVP's and he goes in the Giants Ring of Honor with Simms, Bavaro, Banks, etc who were Hall of Fame players that aren't in the NFL HOF. The only HOF that matters to me is the Giants Ring of Honor.
it may actually help him that he finished with a .500 W/L. Would have been tough if in years to come he was referred to as a lifetime "sub.500 QB". People like to label.
He may make it in but not first ballot. And I think nationally the anti-Eli bias is fairly strong.
the overwhelming sentiment is that he is a lock to get in. The only thing that would even hurt his chances is if he gets that sub 500 label, but even then he'll still make it. Marcellus Wiley put it pretty good. You can't make a Superbowl highlight reel without a handful of Eli's plays. T
think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.
I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
Were you under a rock in 2011?
Brees, Rodgers and Brady were still a level up from Eli that year and other years. They had better stats in every category and were just better players and unfortunately that is who he is compared to. Eli has certainly had his moments but he wasnt as consistent. I am entitled to my opinion as are you.
with Eli. Not sure why it's viewed as something that will be bad here at the BBI corral. Eli was part of two significant SBs that produced trophies at Jints Central and he's play a lot of mediocre football. The balance of the scale is very interesting.
Eli has this going for him - with the fabulously overrated Namath in, Eli will get his spot.
if Brees played for Tom Coughlin in NY and Eli played for Sean Payton in that dome. Peyton & Rogers are all time greats. Brady too. All better than Eli at his best in my opinion. Brees in my opinion is a system QB and product of his environment. I think he made one of the greatest NFL choices ever when he passed on Miami for NO. But I think he would have been Kurt Warner if he had to play for Coughlin in NY.
if Brees played for Tom Coughlin in NY and Eli played for Sean Payton in that dome. Peyton & Rogers are all time greats. Brady too. All better than Eli at his best in my opinion. Brees in my opinion is a system QB and product of his environment. I think he made one of the greatest NFL choices ever when he passed on Miami for NO. But I think he would have been Kurt Warner if he had to play for Coughlin in NY.
I think Brees is a bit overrated, too. And with Atlanta being a dome, more than half of Brees's seasons are in comfortable, wind free 72 degree environments.
But I think his splits are solid away from the dome. I'll double check.
with Eli. Not sure why it's viewed as something that will be bad here at the BBI corral. Eli was part of two significant SBs that produced trophies at Jints Central and he's play a lot of mediocre football. The balance of the scale is very interesting.
Eli has this going for him - with the fabulously overrated Namath in, Eli will get his spot.
Never saw Namath live. But Namath was supremely respected in the league. Bear Bryant said he was the best athlete he ever coached. I have never seen a QB throw the ball so effortlessly and he beat the Colts. He belongs to be in and amazingly he had bad knees entering the NFL. He very well might be the best pure passer to this day imo.
Never saw Namath live. But Namath was supremely respected in the league. Bear Bryant said he was the best athlete he ever coached. I have never seen a QB throw the ball so effortlessly and he beat the Colts. He belongs to be in and amazingly he had bad knees entering the NFL. He very well might be the best pure passer to this day imo.
Oh, neither did I. My dad swears by his talent. But just look at this numbers. Even with that being a tougher era to play in, Namath's results are pedestrian.
So it's got to be more than just talent as the main catalyst for the argument...
Two Super Bowl MVP's the second one he literally carried the team, the streak, class, winning in NY will push him rightfully to the Hall hopefully next to TC.
Britt repost that link of the writers saying how they would vote..
The best ever performance in my lifetime
When we know his competition at the time of eligibility, I'll be more comfortable taking a shot at first ballot.
He's getting in and it will be a very sad day for them.
-7th in Yards
-14 4th Quarter TD's and 7 4th Quarter Comebacks in 2011 -(NFL Records)
-Iron Man Streak*
-Walter Peyton Man of the Year
Intangibles:
-Can't tell the story of the NFL w/out the Manning Family
-The Tyree Catch is a signature play that will be played in 50 years with the Immaculate Reception and others.
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I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
Were you under a rock in 2011?
Anti NY bias - most people today talking about it put playing in NY as a plus as far as Hall of Fame chances are concerned in all sports.
Led the league 3 times in interceptions.
The general consensus (outside Giants fans) is that Manning is an average QB that got lucky twice with 2 great defenses. That's what they think.
He's not exactly a media darling either. I think the road to the HOF is gonna be harder than people think.
He's getting in and it will be a very sad day for them.
bahahahaha.....it's as if you have a form of Tourette's that forces you to blurt out Odell Beckham's name for absolutely no reason.
His career stats are there. He made Pro Bowls. Hes been well respected on and off the field.
People will argue that he was never one of the elite level QBs of his era, but he should no doubt get in.
He may make it in but not first ballot. And I think nationally the anti-Eli bias is fairly strong.
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who show more respect to Odell Beckham Jr. is his candidacy even a question.
He's getting in and it will be a very sad day for them.
bahahahaha.....it's as if you have a form of Tourette's that forces you to blurt out Odell Beckham's name for absolutely no reason.
Blah, blah blah....
Do Canadians get to vote?
Dude, that one ou should have used the quote.
God forbid the poster who comes on here saying he doesn't belong.
I do think it's going to be a longer, more difficult process than most people here realize.
Led the league 3 times in interceptions.
The general consensus (outside Giants fans) is that Manning is an average QB that got lucky twice with 2 great defenses. That's what they think.
He's not exactly a media darling either. I think the road to the HOF is gonna be harder than people think.
Joe Namath led the league 4 times in interceptions and was 68-71-4.
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think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.
I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
Were you under a rock in 2011?
Brees, Rodgers and Brady were still a level up from Eli that year and other years. They had better stats in every category and were just better players and unfortunately that is who he is compared to. Eli has certainly had his moments but he wasnt as consistent. I am entitled to my opinion as are you.
Eli has this going for him - with the fabulously overrated Namath in, Eli will get his spot.
In the small chance he doesn't he can absolutely thank John Mara's sentimental ass.
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Led the league 3 times in interceptions.
The general consensus (outside Giants fans) is that Manning is an average QB that got lucky twice with 2 great defenses. That's what they think.
He's not exactly a media darling either. I think the road to the HOF is gonna be harder than people think.
Joe Namath led the league 4 times in interceptions and was 68-71-4.
The general consensus was that Broadway Joe was a superstar. That is not the opinion of Eli Manning. Sorry.
I think Brees is a bit overrated, too. And with Atlanta being a dome, more than half of Brees's seasons are in comfortable, wind free 72 degree environments.
But I think his splits are solid away from the dome. I'll double check.
Eli has this going for him - with the fabulously overrated Namath in, Eli will get his spot.
Never saw Namath live. But Namath was supremely respected in the league. Bear Bryant said he was the best athlete he ever coached. I have never seen a QB throw the ball so effortlessly and he beat the Colts. He belongs to be in and amazingly he had bad knees entering the NFL. He very well might be the best pure passer to this day imo.
Never saw Namath live. But Namath was supremely respected in the league. Bear Bryant said he was the best athlete he ever coached. I have never seen a QB throw the ball so effortlessly and he beat the Colts. He belongs to be in and amazingly he had bad knees entering the NFL. He very well might be the best pure passer to this day imo.
Oh, neither did I. My dad swears by his talent. But just look at this numbers. Even with that being a tougher era to play in, Namath's results are pedestrian.
So it's got to be more than just talent as the main catalyst for the argument...
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