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Get ready for the next Great War: Eli as a HOFer

huygens20 : 9/17/2019 3:31 pm
This will literally tear the internet apart when he is up for nomination
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It's been said before but Eli is a  
JCin332 : 9/17/2019 3:33 pm : link
football IQ test...he is a lock...
For what its worth, Sal Paol is on record as saying...  
No Where Man : 9/17/2019 3:33 pm : link
that he is voting for Eli as a Hall-of-Famer, 1st Ballot.
at least BBI will be united  
V.I.G. : 9/17/2019 3:35 pm : link
...
Eli is a Hall of Famer  
hitdog42 : 9/17/2019 3:35 pm : link
its unclear if he is first ballot or not- It is likely he is not due to some bias and also never being a regular season standout, and the Giants mismanaging his exit. -- but I don't think anyone should worry about him getting in.
He won't be first ballot  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2019 3:36 pm : link
imo but he will get in. When a few years pass he will be more fondly remembered.

Two Super Bowl MVP's the second one he literally carried the team, the streak, class, winning in NY will push him rightfully to the Hall hopefully next to TC.

The only thing Iím not certain  
Big Blue '56 : 9/17/2019 3:37 pm : link
about is what ballot he makes it
The game Iíll remember most was  
huygens20 : 9/17/2019 3:38 pm : link
the physicality and utter beating Eli took in the 2011 nfcc game.

Definitely a lock  
Canton : 9/17/2019 3:39 pm : link
Not a first ballot.

Britt repost that link of the writers saying how they would vote..
RE: The game Iíll remember most was  
Big Blue '56 : 9/17/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14584027 huygens20 said:
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the physicality and utter beating Eli took in the 2011 nfcc game.


The best ever performance in my lifetime
Agree with several others  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/17/2019 3:40 pm : link
He's a lock. First ballot might be the better debate and I don't think he gets first ballot but it depends on his competition at the time. Will he retire the same year as Ben? Brees? Etc.

When we know his competition at the time of eligibility, I'll be more comfortable taking a shot at first ballot.
Only among a very "special" group of NYG fans  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 3:40 pm : link
who show more respect to Odell Beckham Jr. is his candidacy even a question.

He's getting in and it will be a very sad day for them.
BBI won't be united  
BigBlueCane : 9/17/2019 3:40 pm : link
you forget who posts here.
2x SB MVP's  
MattyKid : 9/17/2019 3:41 pm : link
are a lock.
-2 Superbowl MVP's (one of only five players to do that)  
Britt in VA : 9/17/2019 3:42 pm : link
-8th in TD's
-7th in Yards
-14 4th Quarter TD's and 7 4th Quarter Comebacks in 2011 -(NFL Records)
-Iron Man Streak*
-Walter Peyton Man of the Year

Intangibles:

-Can't tell the story of the NFL w/out the Manning Family
-The Tyree Catch is a signature play that will be played in 50 years with the Immaculate Reception and others.
I think he should be first ballot  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 3:42 pm : link
but the voters being who they are, Eli having had that pre-draft scrape, his overall record and an anti-NY bias among sportswriters, I think he'll end up going in on the second go-around.
HOF  
Essex : 9/17/2019 3:43 pm : link
lock!
1st ballot...  
Gary JC : 9/17/2019 3:45 pm : link
...lock. It's not even a discussion.
Kurt Warner??  
Gary JC : 9/17/2019 3:48 pm : link
Tell me why he's in? Look at his stats.
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IF Brady, Brees, Rivers And Big Ben  
Trainmaster : 9/17/2019 3:49 pm : link
Indicate they will play in 2020, does Eli more seriously consider retiring after 2019 to increase his HOF chances?
Looking at Eli over the past 16 years I dont  
Rudy5757 : 9/17/2019 3:50 pm : link
think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.

I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.
They have been talking a lot about this, I thought it may have been  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 3:50 pm : link
questionable, but just like when Eli got benched it seems like the media has rallied around the guy. Not first ballet but he is definitely getting in.
Key is voters outside the Ny area  
micky : 9/17/2019 3:51 pm : link
Different perception. I say in but not first ballot. A career that is very unique highs and lows
RE: Looking at Eli over the past 16 years I dont  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14584067 Rudy5757 said:
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think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.

I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.


Were you under a rock in 2011?
RE: I think he should be first ballot  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14584043 jcn56 said:
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but the voters being who they are, Eli having had that pre-draft scrape, his overall record and an anti-NY bias among sportswriters, I think he'll end up going in on the second go-around.


Anti NY bias - most people today talking about it put playing in NY as a plus as far as Hall of Fame chances are concerned in all sports.
He's not a lock.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/17/2019 3:53 pm : link
116-116.

Led the league 3 times in interceptions.

The general consensus (outside Giants fans) is that Manning is an average QB that got lucky twice with 2 great defenses. That's what they think.

He's not exactly a media darling either. I think the road to the HOF is gonna be harder than people think.
RE: Only among a very  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14584033 Chris684 said:
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who show more respect to Odell Beckham Jr. is his candidacy even a question.

He's getting in and it will be a very sad day for them.


bahahahaha.....it's as if you have a form of Tourette's that forces you to blurt out Odell Beckham's name for absolutely no reason.
Hopefully he is  
arniefez : 9/17/2019 3:57 pm : link
But if not so what? He gets to keep the two Super Bowl MVP's and he goes in the Giants Ring of Honor with Simms, Bavaro, Banks, etc who were Hall of Fame players that aren't in the NFL HOF. The only HOF that matters to me is the Giants Ring of Honor.
He didnít just win 2 SBs and win MVP both times  
mfsd : 9/17/2019 3:58 pm : link
He beat the Brady/Belichick Pats both times, who will go down as the greatest dynasty in NFL history.

His career stats are there. He made Pro Bowls. Hes been well respected on and off the field.

People will argue that he was never one of the elite level QBs of his era, but he should no doubt get in.
If he never plays again  
Tony in Tampa : 9/17/2019 3:59 pm : link
it may actually help him that he finished with a .500 W/L. Would have been tough if in years to come he was referred to as a lifetime "sub.500 QB". People like to label.

He may make it in but not first ballot. And I think nationally the anti-Eli bias is fairly strong.
RE: RE: Only among a very  
Chris684 : 9/17/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14584090 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14584033 Chris684 said:


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who show more respect to Odell Beckham Jr. is his candidacy even a question.

He's getting in and it will be a very sad day for them.



bahahahaha.....it's as if you have a form of Tourette's that forces you to blurt out Odell Beckham's name for absolutely no reason.


Blah, blah blah....
RE: BBI won't be united  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14584036 BigBlueCane said:
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you forget who posts here.

Do Canadians get to vote?
Gotta hand it to you  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 4:02 pm : link
That's probably the most insightful, eloquent thing you've ever posted. Bravo!
RE: Gotta hand it to you  
Bill L : 9/17/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14584124 Greg from LI said:
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That's probably the most insightful, eloquent thing you've ever posted. Bravo!

Dude, that one ou should have used the quote.
I  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 4:06 pm : link
think he'll get in eventually, and should, but as others have said, not on the first ballot.
RE: at least BBI will be united  
Mike from SI : 9/17/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14584013 V.I.G. said:
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God forbid the poster who comes on here saying he doesn't belong.
To me this 2sb will get him in  
Junior22 : 9/17/2019 4:06 pm : link
One day but no shot he is a first ballot and to me if you not first ballot you are not a real hot. Just how I feel
I wouldn't say he doesn't belong  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2019 4:10 pm : link
Not when Joe Namath is in the Hall.

I do think it's going to be a longer, more difficult process than most people here realize.
RE: He's not a lock.  
ChathamMark : 9/17/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14584085 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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116-116.

Led the league 3 times in interceptions.

The general consensus (outside Giants fans) is that Manning is an average QB that got lucky twice with 2 great defenses. That's what they think.

He's not exactly a media darling either. I think the road to the HOF is gonna be harder than people think.


Joe Namath led the league 4 times in interceptions and was 68-71-4.
If you tuned into ESPN, FS1, and national sports talk radio today  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 4:14 pm : link
the overwhelming sentiment is that he is a lock to get in. The only thing that would even hurt his chances is if he gets that sub 500 label, but even then he'll still make it. Marcellus Wiley put it pretty good. You can't make a Superbowl highlight reel without a handful of Eli's plays. T
If he doesnt make it  
MookGiants : 9/17/2019 4:15 pm : link
he can thank John Mara and Dave Gettleman for not making it.
RE: RE: Looking at Eli over the past 16 years I dont  
Rudy5757 : 9/17/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14584075 Chris684 said:
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think he is a HOF QB, he has had HOF moments. I never looked at Eli and said he is the best in the league or is debatable that he is the best which is what I think is a HOF.

I do believe that he will get in because of the span of his career and what he has accomplished. I also think he has represented this franchise in the best possible light. He is one of the best Giants of all time both as a person and player.



Were you under a rock in 2011?


Brees, Rodgers and Brady were still a level up from Eli that year and other years. They had better stats in every category and were just better players and unfortunately that is who he is compared to. Eli has certainly had his moments but he wasnt as consistent. I am entitled to my opinion as are you.
It's actually a good debate...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 4:16 pm : link
with Eli. Not sure why it's viewed as something that will be bad here at the BBI corral. Eli was part of two significant SBs that produced trophies at Jints Central and he's play a lot of mediocre football. The balance of the scale is very interesting.

Eli has this going for him - with the fabulously overrated Namath in, Eli will get his spot.
RE: If he doesnt make it  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14584172 MookGiants said:
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he can thank John Mara and Dave Gettleman for not making it.


In the small chance he doesn't he can absolutely thank John Mara's sentimental ass.
RE: RE: He's not a lock.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/17/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14584159 ChathamMark said:
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In comment 14584085 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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116-116.

Led the league 3 times in interceptions.

The general consensus (outside Giants fans) is that Manning is an average QB that got lucky twice with 2 great defenses. That's what they think.

He's not exactly a media darling either. I think the road to the HOF is gonna be harder than people think.



Joe Namath led the league 4 times in interceptions and was 68-71-4.


The general consensus was that Broadway Joe was a superstar. That is not the opinion of Eli Manning. Sorry.
I wonder how things would "stat"ed out  
arniefez : 9/17/2019 4:20 pm : link
if Brees played for Tom Coughlin in NY and Eli played for Sean Payton in that dome. Peyton & Rogers are all time greats. Brady too. All better than Eli at his best in my opinion. Brees in my opinion is a system QB and product of his environment. I think he made one of the greatest NFL choices ever when he passed on Miami for NO. But I think he would have been Kurt Warner if he had to play for Coughlin in NY.
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Danny Kanell : 9/17/2019 4:21 pm : link
Eli Manning is a HOF lock.

RE: I wonder how things would  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14584194 arniefez said:
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if Brees played for Tom Coughlin in NY and Eli played for Sean Payton in that dome. Peyton & Rogers are all time greats. Brady too. All better than Eli at his best in my opinion. Brees in my opinion is a system QB and product of his environment. I think he made one of the greatest NFL choices ever when he passed on Miami for NO. But I think he would have been Kurt Warner if he had to play for Coughlin in NY.


I think Brees is a bit overrated, too. And with Atlanta being a dome, more than half of Brees's seasons are in comfortable, wind free 72 degree environments.

But I think his splits are solid away from the dome. I'll double check.
RE: It's actually a good debate...  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14584180 bw in dc said:
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with Eli. Not sure why it's viewed as something that will be bad here at the BBI corral. Eli was part of two significant SBs that produced trophies at Jints Central and he's play a lot of mediocre football. The balance of the scale is very interesting.

Eli has this going for him - with the fabulously overrated Namath in, Eli will get his spot.


Never saw Namath live. But Namath was supremely respected in the league. Bear Bryant said he was the best athlete he ever coached. I have never seen a QB throw the ball so effortlessly and he beat the Colts. He belongs to be in and amazingly he had bad knees entering the NFL. He very well might be the best pure passer to this day imo.
RE: RE: It's actually a good debate...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14584213 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Never saw Namath live. But Namath was supremely respected in the league. Bear Bryant said he was the best athlete he ever coached. I have never seen a QB throw the ball so effortlessly and he beat the Colts. He belongs to be in and amazingly he had bad knees entering the NFL. He very well might be the best pure passer to this day imo.


Oh, neither did I. My dad swears by his talent. But just look at this numbers. Even with that being a tougher era to play in, Namath's results are pedestrian.

So it's got to be more than just talent as the main catalyst for the argument...
ESPN's survey of football writers  
lawguy9801 : 9/17/2019 4:34 pm : link
mostly says yes.
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