That is not a rhetorical question, that is a legitimate one that I am not sure of the correct answer. But, if so and if this was my money, I would be angry at DG and PS. Can someone please remind me, we owed Eli only 5 million if we cut him after last year, am I right about that?
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This is a critical concept, particularly when it comes to Eli. If Mara was bent on keeping Eli, then it was incumbent on Gettleman and Shurmur to convince him why that was a bad idea. Mara isn't a bad guy, nor is he stupid. I think he could be convinced by a well reasoned argument.
Gettleman and Shurmur failed to do that. Mara's failure has been in surrounding himself with people ill-equipped to construct and lead a team in the modern NFL.
Here's the problem. While I can't prove it beyond circumstantial evidence, I believe DG and PS were hired largely because they sold Mara on their pro-Eli-ness. Which I think was exactly what Mara wanted to here. So they sort of boxed themselves in.
Hell, I'd argue this decision to sit Eli was possibly Mara's because Eli's record hit the 500 mark. And with the way the season is spiraling downward, keeping it at 500 was likely 0%.
Something to chew on...
I believe this is correct. And while I know you feel that the team should have parted ways with Manning years ago, I don't think that keeping Manning has been the problem. Perhaps keeping him is a symptom, but not the disease. And if the only manifestation of the disease was keeping Manning, the team would be alright. Had the team walked away from Reese and Coughlin at the same time. Had the team hired a real GM and coach to follow them, had the team committed themselves to rebuilding 4 years ago, the rebuild would be nearly complete. With or without Eli.
Instead, we got 1 disastrous half measure after another. Just one more patch, and the Giants can compete. The Giants have need much more than just a patch job for 7 years. Instead we have watched worse and worse football while the team slowly and inevitably disintegrated. And even this year, when the Giants are still in the bottom 5 in the league, there was talk of playoffs, and more bad contracts, more half measures.
So while I won't say that Eli is the player that he was in 2011, I don't think he or his contract is what held this team back. Its the larger lack of vision and commitment.
You want to be the highest paid WR in the league? Great.
If you are fined by the league X times we can recoup bonus money
If you publicly air problems with your teammates we can recoup bonus money
This is what people mean by having a plan and managing a situation. They knew who OBJ was. Then you act like it BECAME untenable when he just acted like he always has? Give me a break.
I've said Gettleman has made many mistakes. On threads you've participated on.
- Not evaluating Omameah or Stewart correctly and signing them to contract above their street value
- Drafting Sam Beal (but that's more because I don't like any supplemental draft picks)
- Signing Golden Tate
Given the moves he made with Snacks, JPP, OV, Apple, Hart and Flowers, with the cap in mind and improving the locker room, I actually don't have a problem with either the Solder or Ogletree moves.
But then again - I didn't sharpen my pitchfork and have it ready because of the way he was hired, and I also saw the positive impact he had in Carolina and the negative impact his departure has had.
Had they dealt OBJ off his surgery year without a contract they would have gotten less for him in picks and had Gettleman sold him low without ever playing a game during his tenure it would have been moronic.
yeah.. poeple don't understand these things. Not to mention they may have actually wanted to keep OBJ until OBJ made it clear that he did not want to be here the moment after he got his new contract.
Vernon is on Reese, but Beckham ($16M) is on Gettleman and Eli ($23M) could have been cut to save $17M prior to March.
None of this is hindsight.
OBJ and Eli are absolutely hindsight. If you cannot see why, then you should find a forum for needlepoint or something.
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Can you list one decision that Gettleman made that you think was a mistake. Just 1.
I've said Gettleman has made many mistakes. On threads you've participated on.
- Not evaluating Omameah or Stewart correctly and signing them to contract above their street value
- Drafting Sam Beal (but that's more because I don't like any supplemental draft picks)
- Signing Golden Tate
Given the moves he made with Snacks, JPP, OV, Apple, Hart and Flowers, with the cap in mind and improving the locker room, I actually don't have a problem with either the Solder or Ogletree moves.
But then again - I didn't sharpen my pitchfork and have it ready because of the way he was hired, and I also saw the positive impact he had in Carolina and the negative impact his departure has had.
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25% of the $188M salary cap.
Vernon is on Reese, but Beckham ($16M) is on Gettleman and Eli ($23M) could have been cut to save $17M prior to March.
None of this is hindsight.
OBJ and Eli are absolutely hindsight. If you cannot see why, then you should find a forum for needlepoint or something.
Hindsight?
I was here screaming to the heavens that those were all mistakes months before they happened...not because I'm clairvoyant, but because the logic was plain to see at the time for anyone not wearing blue glasses.
Beckham had a broken leg with no reported ligament or muscle damage. He was always going to recover. I firmly believe with 3 years of team control he could have been dealt straight up for a first round pick to the 9ers.
Many would have hated it, but it would have been the right move. Mike McGlinchey and 22M in my view was better than what they got.