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How feasible is a Solder to NE deal?

DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:10 pm
They just lost their starting LT for "at least" 8 weeks per Field Yates
Not  
Jon in NYC : 9/17/2019 5:11 pm : link
feasible for cap reasons
Why?  
mittenedman : 9/17/2019 5:11 pm : link
The Offensive Line is playing very well right now and offense might actually be very good with Jones at QB. The season ain't over yet.
Why would we trade Solder?  
GiantGolfer : 9/17/2019 5:11 pm : link
Don’t we want to protect Jones?
The fuck?  
Shepherdsam : 9/17/2019 5:12 pm : link
.
I  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:12 pm : link
personally think the season is over, and Solder's 2020 cap hit is enormous. 19.5 million per Sportract (he'll also be 32). I think the Giants should be adding as many picks as possible.
They are starting a rookie  
section125 : 9/17/2019 5:12 pm : link
QB this week, the future franchise QB, and you are looking at trading the starting LT without a viable replacement?

Think about that for two seconds...
who do you propose replacing him with?  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/17/2019 5:13 pm : link
...

We have a line that is functioning fairly well and you are proposing to pick it apart?
That  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:13 pm : link
should read sportrac.
no way  
mpinmaine : 9/17/2019 5:13 pm : link
nopes
19.5  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:13 pm : link
million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.
If we didn't have a rookie QB I'd do it, but alas we do.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 5:15 pm : link
I also think they want to invest some midround picks on tackle next year ideally. Developing someone to take over the LT and RT spots.
PFF  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:15 pm : link
gives Solder a 74.1 for the first 2 weeks which is identical to the 74.1 he had last year when everyone on here said he sucked so I'm kind of confused what is different other than being concerned for Jones?
RE: 19.5  
section125 : 9/17/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14584363 DanMetroMan said:
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million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.


Again. They are starting the future franchise QB this week and down the line. So you want to take his blind side protection.
The season is not over  
Four Aces : 9/17/2019 5:16 pm : link
But even if you thought it was, who's our LT tackle next year?
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
RE: If we didn't have a rookie QB I'd do it, but alas we do.  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14584369 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I also think they want to invest some midround picks on tackle next year ideally. Developing someone to take over the LT and RT spots.


Fair enough. I think Jones is really the only X factor here. Solder is "okay". He's not 19.5 million "okay" if someone were to give up picks. We need picks, many of them.
RE: The season is not over  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14584374 Four Aces said:
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But even if you thought it was, who's our LT tackle next year?
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.


I'm not a hater but I'd be stunned to see this team win more than 6 games. If I'm wrong and they compete for the playoffs I'll give my mea culpa.
RE: 19.5  
madgiantscow009 : 9/17/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14584363 DanMetroMan said:
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million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.


they did a poor job protecting Eli the past decade. Protecting your QB should be priority #1. I understand the cap hit. I bet he restructures, but still super expensive. At least they have a lot of cap money coming up.
RE: The fuck?  
FranknWeezer : 9/17/2019 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14584353 Shepherdsam said:
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Man, I have missed Shep.
The best path to winning football at this point  
flycatcher : 9/17/2019 5:17 pm : link
is to stockpile draft picks.

Any vet worth trading is worth trading.
Wynn is out for the Pats?  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 5:18 pm : link
They went from having one of the best OLs to a total patchwork unit...

Fortunately for them, they have the mad scientist to try and make it work...
RE: They are starting a rookie  
Nine-Tails : 9/17/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14584355 section125 said:
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QB this week, the future franchise QB, and you are looking at trading the starting LT without a viable replacement?

Think about that for two seconds...


Couldn’t have said it better. I guess seeing the dolphins accumulate capital has led some to think of a fire sale since their convinced the season is over.
RE: 19.5  
jvm52106 : 9/17/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14584363 DanMetroMan said:
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million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.


Doesn't matter, you don't get your Frachise Rookie QB killed.. Dear god, I am keeping a list of all the posters bashing the Jones move, talking stupid shit dumping our LT etc., just to make sure none of you come on here bragging how great this is or that is... Give Jones a chance to play before fucking trying to undermine him by getting rid of Solder, in season with no viable replacement!
RE: Wynn is out for the Pats?  
Big Blue '56 : 9/17/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14584386 bw in dc said:
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They went from having one of the best OLs to a total patchwork unit...

Fortunately for them, they have the mad scientist to try and make it work...


Yup, there’s always Beli Central
RE: RE: 19.5  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14584390 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14584363 DanMetroMan said:


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million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.



Doesn't matter, you don't get your Frachise Rookie QB killed.. Dear god, I am keeping a list of all the posters bashing the Jones move, talking stupid shit dumping our LT etc., just to make sure none of you come on here bragging how great this is or that is... Give Jones a chance to play before fucking trying to undermine him by getting rid of Solder, in season with no viable replacement!


To be clear, I did not say anything about Daniel Jones. I said Solder is "okay" and expensive and aging. Our LT is not a special player. That much is factual. As noted "everyone" on BBI said Solder sucked last year, well PFF has him playing at the exact same level through (yes, only 2) games. So which is it?
Pats  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:22 pm : link
JUST added Newhouse. Normal team might be fucked. Not them.

Patriots placed LT Isaiah Wynn on injured reserve with a toe/foot injury.
It has been reported Wynn is dealing with turf toe. He is ineligible to practice for six weeks and can't return to game action for eight weeks. That means Week 11 in Philadelphia would be his earliest possible return date. It is the last thing the 2018 first-rounder needed after missing his entire rookie year with a torn Achilles' tendon. Journeyman and Week 2 signee Marshall Newhouse is the next man up at left tackle. It's a problem for a team that doesn't have many of them.

SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter
Sep 17, 2019, 5:09 PM ET
The team  
darren in pdx : 9/17/2019 5:25 pm : link
finally has an average starting line after 8 years and you suggest tearing it apart? This place is hilarious when the team is good or bad..
I recall a lot of people, including myself, thought he played  
GiantGolfer : 9/17/2019 5:27 pm : link
better towards the end of the season.

Solder is better than an “okay” left tackle. His contract will be restructured. We’ll draft more OL help. Just relax.
Its the Pats  
GiantEgo : 9/17/2019 5:31 pm : link
They will plug in some guy coach him to perfection and he will play great.
Belichek can plug any left tackle in there  
Earl the goat : 9/17/2019 5:32 pm : link
Move the proper protection over to help the LT and the patriots and Brady will still be fine
RE: The team  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14584425 darren in pdx said:
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finally has an average starting line after 8 years and you suggest tearing it apart? This place is hilarious when the team is good or bad..


PFF grades

Solder 74.4
Zeitler 67
Halapio 60.7
Remmers 58.6
Hernandez 73.5

Talk about low standards around here.
I love it when people post PFF stats as if they mean anything...  
GiantGolfer : 9/17/2019 5:37 pm : link
Adorable...
RE: The season is not over  
flycatcher : 9/17/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14584374 Four Aces said:
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But even if you thought it was, who's our LT tackle next year?
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.

NYG is officially in rebuild mode now, so try to keep up. LT next season is Gates. Or Eric Smith. Or somebody's waiver. It doesn't matter anyway. Eli is benched, problem fixed.
RE: RE: The team  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14584443 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14584425 darren in pdx said:


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finally has an average starting line after 8 years and you suggest tearing it apart? This place is hilarious when the team is good or bad..



PFF grades

Solder 74.4
Zeitler 67
Halapio 60.7
Remmers 58.6
Hernandez 73.5

Talk about low standards around here.



I'm not a believer in PFF but they just ranked the Giants oline 4th in pressures allowed verse expactations. The eye test tells me this offensive line has been better than league average.
Wynn missed all of last season  
jeff57 : 9/17/2019 5:40 pm : link
And was playing well.
RE: I love it when people post PFF stats as if they mean anything...  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14584453 GiantGolfer said:
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Adorable...


So simply “saying” the OL is good is more valuable? I bet that tune changes around here in the coming weeks. Care to make a gentleman’s bet? Bottom 10 line in the NFL at seasons end. Book it.
The Pats won't trade for him anyway, he'll be back for the second  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2019 5:40 pm : link
half of the season and playoff run. Their compettion for the AFC east is the bills. Says it all.
RE: Wynn missed all of last season  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14584459 jeff57 said:
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And was playing well.



Achilles no less. Tough injury to come back from and he did. Now another injury. Shitty way to begin a career.
RE: I  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14584354 DanMetroMan said:
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personally think the season is over, and Solder's 2020 cap hit is enormous. 19.5 million per Sportract (he'll also be 32). I think the Giants should be adding as many picks as possible.

They JUST restructured his contract to free up cap space this season. If they were to trade him, that would create an additional $5M of dead money.

It wouldn't quite be the same as "we didn't sign him to trade him" but it wouldn't fundamentally be completely different, either.
Let's not do to Daniel Jones  
widmerseyebrow : 9/17/2019 5:46 pm : link
what the Texans did to David Carr.
...  
christian : 9/17/2019 5:49 pm : link
Three questions;

1) Can the Giants retrieve a functioning tackle plus a decent asset in a trade?
2) If not, is there a functioning tackle on the roster?
3) Are the cap ramifications to the Giants advantage?

Say if the Pats traded Newhouse and a 2nd round pick for Solder.

If I'm reading it correctly it would save the Giants somewhere around 4M in cap space this year but cause dead money of 6.6M in 2019 and 13M in 2020.

It would free up 6.5M in 2020 and 20.5M in 2021.
RE: RE: I love it when people post PFF stats as if they mean anything...  
GiantGolfer : 9/17/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14584461 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14584453 GiantGolfer said:


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Adorable...



So simply “saying” the OL is good is more valuable? I bet that tune changes around here in the coming weeks. Care to make a gentleman’s bet? Bottom 10 line in the NFL at seasons end. Book it.


If we are using fake stats from PFF, then I’ll politely decline.
If the Giants find someone to replace Solder after the season, then  
Ira : 9/17/2019 5:52 pm : link
trading him begins to make sense.
RE: I  
djstat : 9/17/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14584354 DanMetroMan said:
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personally think the season is over, and Solder's 2020 cap hit is enormous. 19.5 million per Sportract (he'll also be 32). I think the Giants should be adding as many picks as possible.
Giants are slated to have $65 Million in Cap Space next year and can get $21 million more cutting Jenkins and Ogletree. We have no one to play left tackle. You do not trade him as you prepare to start jones. Also he'd be $13 million in dead cap space next year.

You do remember  
Giant John : 9/17/2019 6:03 pm : link
When the oline sucked right? You’re suggesting we go back to that with a rookie QB starting his first game?
You can’t make this nonsense up!
you hope solders  
japanhead : 9/17/2019 7:50 pm : link
body holds up for another 2 years so you can address all the other holes on this roster, and draft a new LT sometime over the next three years. i would think.
Why in the world would they want to  
steve in ky : 9/17/2019 7:54 pm : link
deplete the OL with Jones just beginning his career, not to mention the importance of blocking for Barkley?
you lost any sense of reason  
BigBlueCane : 9/17/2019 8:05 pm : link
when you referenced PFF.
You make a move to start your rookie QB  
Deejboy : 9/17/2019 8:12 pm : link
and then trade away your vet LT and replace him with...what exactly? Makes perfect sense. Yikes.
Solder  
Sammo85 : 9/17/2019 8:19 pm : link
is here at least through next season too. You can’t just start dumping guys with no reasonable depth option or plan into next year.

Even if Giants draft a stud T in the draft in the spring the likelihood of them starting at LT right away next year is remote.
If he’s just average...  
Chris in Philly : 9/17/2019 8:21 pm : link
and way overpaid, why would NE want to trade for him when they could have just signed him in the first place? And what value would we get for an average, overpaid player?
Solder should stay  
upnyg : 9/17/2019 8:24 pm : link
Jones doesnt want to end up like Rosen
RE: If he’s just average...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14584798 Chris in Philly said:
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and way overpaid, why would NE want to trade for him when they could have just signed him in the first place? And what value would we get for an average, overpaid player?


Because NE knows that if they bring NS back and put him back under the spell of Scarnecchia, he'll turn back into Tony Boselli-lite.
The Solder deal was ridiculous from the start.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2019 8:34 pm : link
The idea we needed to create the highest paid LT for an older slightly above avg player on a team in desperate need of a deep restructuring was comical over a year ago.

The concept that we would unwind it now with no serviceable alternative, and expose our rookie QB to MORE DURESS is gross negligence.

I forget...what’s the Plan here?
brand new rookie qb  
bc4life : 9/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
yeah it's agreat time to start experimenting with left tackle moves
Pats  
nflscouting : 9/17/2019 8:48 pm : link
NE is talking to Detroit for Taylor Decker. Lions looking to unload him for a middie & turn LOT over to Tyrell Crosby.
RE: Pats  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14584872 nflscouting said:
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NE is talking to Detroit for Taylor Decker. Lions looking to unload him for a middie & turn LOT over to Tyrell Crosby.

That hurts, I wanted Tyrell Crosby with the Lauletta pick. He could be our starting RT right now.
RE: Pats  
bw in dc : 9/17/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14584872 nflscouting said:
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NE is talking to Detroit for Taylor Decker. Lions looking to unload him for a middie & turn LOT over to Tyrell Crosby.


Interesting...where did you see that?
RE: If he’s just average...  
christian : 9/17/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14584798 Chris in Philly said:
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and way overpaid, why would NE want to trade for him when they could have just signed him in the first place? And what value would we get for an average, overpaid player?


Him knowing their system, the Giants eating a big part of the guaranteed money, and average being an order of magnitude better than the likely alternative, might get a the Giants a valuable pick.
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