personally think the season is over, and Solder's 2020 cap hit is enormous. 19.5 million per Sportract (he'll also be 32). I think the Giants should be adding as many picks as possible.
gives Solder a 74.1 for the first 2 weeks which is identical to the 74.1 he had last year when everyone on here said he sucked so I'm kind of confused what is different other than being concerned for Jones?
But even if you thought it was, who's our LT tackle next year?
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
RE: If we didn't have a rookie QB I'd do it, but alas we do. Â
I also think they want to invest some midround picks on tackle next year ideally. Developing someone to take over the LT and RT spots.
Fair enough. I think Jones is really the only X factor here. Solder is "okay". He's not 19.5 million "okay" if someone were to give up picks. We need picks, many of them.
But even if you thought it was, who's our LT tackle next year?
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
I'm not a hater but I'd be stunned to see this team win more than 6 games. If I'm wrong and they compete for the playoffs I'll give my mea culpa.
million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.
they did a poor job protecting Eli the past decade. Protecting your QB should be priority #1. I understand the cap hit. I bet he restructures, but still super expensive. At least they have a lot of cap money coming up.
QB this week, the future franchise QB, and you are looking at trading the starting LT without a viable replacement?
Think about that for two seconds...
Couldn’t have said it better. I guess seeing the dolphins accumulate capital has led some to think of a fire sale since their convinced the season is over.
million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.
Doesn't matter, you don't get your Frachise Rookie QB killed.. Dear god, I am keeping a list of all the posters bashing the Jones move, talking stupid shit dumping our LT etc., just to make sure none of you come on here bragging how great this is or that is... Give Jones a chance to play before fucking trying to undermine him by getting rid of Solder, in season with no viable replacement!
million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.
Doesn't matter, you don't get your Frachise Rookie QB killed.. Dear god, I am keeping a list of all the posters bashing the Jones move, talking stupid shit dumping our LT etc., just to make sure none of you come on here bragging how great this is or that is... Give Jones a chance to play before fucking trying to undermine him by getting rid of Solder, in season with no viable replacement!
To be clear, I did not say anything about Daniel Jones. I said Solder is "okay" and expensive and aging. Our LT is not a special player. That much is factual. As noted "everyone" on BBI said Solder sucked last year, well PFF has him playing at the exact same level through (yes, only 2) games. So which is it?
JUST added Newhouse. Normal team might be fucked. Not them.
Patriots placed LT Isaiah Wynn on injured reserve with a toe/foot injury.
It has been reported Wynn is dealing with turf toe. He is ineligible to practice for six weeks and can't return to game action for eight weeks. That means Week 11 in Philadelphia would be his earliest possible return date. It is the last thing the 2018 first-rounder needed after missing his entire rookie year with a torn Achilles' tendon. Journeyman and Week 2 signee Marshall Newhouse is the next man up at left tackle. It's a problem for a team that doesn't have many of them.
SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter
Sep 17, 2019, 5:09 PM ET
But even if you thought it was, who's our LT tackle next year?
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
NYG is officially in rebuild mode now, so try to keep up. LT next season is Gates. Or Eric Smith. Or somebody's waiver. It doesn't matter anyway. Eli is benched, problem fixed.
I'm not a believer in PFF but they just ranked the Giants oline 4th in pressures allowed verse expactations. The eye test tells me this offensive line has been better than league average.
So simply “saying” the OL is good is more valuable? I bet that tune changes around here in the coming weeks. Care to make a gentleman’s bet? Bottom 10 line in the NFL at seasons end. Book it.
The Pats won't trade for him anyway, he'll be back for the second Â
personally think the season is over, and Solder's 2020 cap hit is enormous. 19.5 million per Sportract (he'll also be 32). I think the Giants should be adding as many picks as possible.
They JUST restructured his contract to free up cap space this season. If they were to trade him, that would create an additional $5M of dead money.
It wouldn't quite be the same as "we didn't sign him to trade him" but it wouldn't fundamentally be completely different, either.
1) Can the Giants retrieve a functioning tackle plus a decent asset in a trade?
2) If not, is there a functioning tackle on the roster?
3) Are the cap ramifications to the Giants advantage?
Say if the Pats traded Newhouse and a 2nd round pick for Solder.
If I'm reading it correctly it would save the Giants somewhere around 4M in cap space this year but cause dead money of 6.6M in 2019 and 13M in 2020.
It would free up 6.5M in 2020 and 20.5M in 2021.
RE: RE: I love it when people post PFF stats as if they mean anything... Â
So simply “saying” the OL is good is more valuable? I bet that tune changes around here in the coming weeks. Care to make a gentleman’s bet? Bottom 10 line in the NFL at seasons end. Book it.
If we are using fake stats from PFF, then I’ll politely decline.
If the Giants find someone to replace Solder after the season, then Â
personally think the season is over, and Solder's 2020 cap hit is enormous. 19.5 million per Sportract (he'll also be 32). I think the Giants should be adding as many picks as possible.
Giants are slated to have $65 Million in Cap Space next year and can get $21 million more cutting Jenkins and Ogletree. We have no one to play left tackle. You do not trade him as you prepare to start jones. Also he'd be $13 million in dead cap space next year.
body holds up for another 2 years so you can address all the other holes on this roster, and draft a new LT sometime over the next three years. i would think.
and way overpaid, why would NE want to trade for him when they could have just signed him in the first place? And what value would we get for an average, overpaid player?
and way overpaid, why would NE want to trade for him when they could have just signed him in the first place? And what value would we get for an average, overpaid player?
Because NE knows that if they bring NS back and put him back under the spell of Scarnecchia, he'll turn back into Tony Boselli-lite.
The idea we needed to create the highest paid LT for an older slightly above avg player on a team in desperate need of a deep restructuring was comical over a year ago.
The concept that we would unwind it now with no serviceable alternative, and expose our rookie QB to MORE DURESS is gross negligence.
and way overpaid, why would NE want to trade for him when they could have just signed him in the first place? And what value would we get for an average, overpaid player?
Him knowing their system, the Giants eating a big part of the guaranteed money, and average being an order of magnitude better than the likely alternative, might get a the Giants a valuable pick.
Think about that for two seconds...
We have a line that is functioning fairly well and you are proposing to pick it apart?
Again. They are starting the future franchise QB this week and down the line. So you want to take his blind side protection.
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
Fair enough. I think Jones is really the only X factor here. Solder is "okay". He's not 19.5 million "okay" if someone were to give up picks. We need picks, many of them.
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
I'm not a hater but I'd be stunned to see this team win more than 6 games. If I'm wrong and they compete for the playoffs I'll give my mea culpa.
they did a poor job protecting Eli the past decade. Protecting your QB should be priority #1. I understand the cap hit. I bet he restructures, but still super expensive. At least they have a lot of cap money coming up.
Man, I have missed Shep.
Any vet worth trading is worth trading.
Fortunately for them, they have the mad scientist to try and make it work...
Think about that for two seconds...
Couldn’t have said it better. I guess seeing the dolphins accumulate capital has led some to think of a fire sale since their convinced the season is over.
Doesn't matter, you don't get your Frachise Rookie QB killed.. Dear god, I am keeping a list of all the posters bashing the Jones move, talking stupid shit dumping our LT etc., just to make sure none of you come on here bragging how great this is or that is... Give Jones a chance to play before fucking trying to undermine him by getting rid of Solder, in season with no viable replacement!
Fortunately for them, they have the mad scientist to try and make it work...
Yup, there’s always Beli Central
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million for an "okay" LT on a likely rebuilding team seems really, really high for me if the Patriots are willing to give up value.
Doesn't matter, you don't get your Frachise Rookie QB killed.. Dear god, I am keeping a list of all the posters bashing the Jones move, talking stupid shit dumping our LT etc., just to make sure none of you come on here bragging how great this is or that is... Give Jones a chance to play before fucking trying to undermine him by getting rid of Solder, in season with no viable replacement!
To be clear, I did not say anything about Daniel Jones. I said Solder is "okay" and expensive and aging. Our LT is not a special player. That much is factual. As noted "everyone" on BBI said Solder sucked last year, well PFF has him playing at the exact same level through (yes, only 2) games. So which is it?
Patriots placed LT Isaiah Wynn on injured reserve with a toe/foot injury.
It has been reported Wynn is dealing with turf toe. He is ineligible to practice for six weeks and can't return to game action for eight weeks. That means Week 11 in Philadelphia would be his earliest possible return date. It is the last thing the 2018 first-rounder needed after missing his entire rookie year with a torn Achilles' tendon. Journeyman and Week 2 signee Marshall Newhouse is the next man up at left tackle. It's a problem for a team that doesn't have many of them.
SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter
Sep 17, 2019, 5:09 PM ET
Solder is better than an “okay” left tackle. His contract will be restructured. We’ll draft more OL help. Just relax.
PFF grades
Solder 74.4
Zeitler 67
Halapio 60.7
Remmers 58.6
Hernandez 73.5
Talk about low standards around here.
Do we simply force a LT pick in the 1st rd? That doesn't always work out as history has shown.
NYG is officially in rebuild mode now, so try to keep up. LT next season is Gates. Or Eric Smith. Or somebody's waiver. It doesn't matter anyway. Eli is benched, problem fixed.
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finally has an average starting line after 8 years and you suggest tearing it apart? This place is hilarious when the team is good or bad..
PFF grades
Solder 74.4
Zeitler 67
Halapio 60.7
Remmers 58.6
Hernandez 73.5
Talk about low standards around here.
I'm not a believer in PFF but they just ranked the Giants oline 4th in pressures allowed verse expactations. The eye test tells me this offensive line has been better than league average.
So simply “saying” the OL is good is more valuable? I bet that tune changes around here in the coming weeks. Care to make a gentleman’s bet? Bottom 10 line in the NFL at seasons end. Book it.
Achilles no less. Tough injury to come back from and he did. Now another injury. Shitty way to begin a career.
They JUST restructured his contract to free up cap space this season. If they were to trade him, that would create an additional $5M of dead money.
It wouldn't quite be the same as "we didn't sign him to trade him" but it wouldn't fundamentally be completely different, either.
1) Can the Giants retrieve a functioning tackle plus a decent asset in a trade?
2) If not, is there a functioning tackle on the roster?
3) Are the cap ramifications to the Giants advantage?
Say if the Pats traded Newhouse and a 2nd round pick for Solder.
If I'm reading it correctly it would save the Giants somewhere around 4M in cap space this year but cause dead money of 6.6M in 2019 and 13M in 2020.
It would free up 6.5M in 2020 and 20.5M in 2021.
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Adorable...
So simply “saying” the OL is good is more valuable? I bet that tune changes around here in the coming weeks. Care to make a gentleman’s bet? Bottom 10 line in the NFL at seasons end. Book it.
If we are using fake stats from PFF, then I’ll politely decline.
You can’t make this nonsense up!
Even if Giants draft a stud T in the draft in the spring the likelihood of them starting at LT right away next year is remote.
Because NE knows that if they bring NS back and put him back under the spell of Scarnecchia, he'll turn back into Tony Boselli-lite.
The concept that we would unwind it now with no serviceable alternative, and expose our rookie QB to MORE DURESS is gross negligence.
I forget...what’s the Plan here?
That hurts, I wanted Tyrell Crosby with the Lauletta pick. He could be our starting RT right now.
Interesting...where did you see that?
Him knowing their system, the Giants eating a big part of the guaranteed money, and average being an order of magnitude better than the likely alternative, might get a the Giants a valuable pick.