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Tanney is even more useless on this roster now

pjcas18 : 9/17/2019 7:15 pm
I felt he was useless as the 3rd QB when Eli was the starter - maybe protection from having to play Jones sooner than they wanted to, but even then it was a stretch to me.

So, now that Jones is starting, it's even more annoying that Tanney clogs up a roster spot.

It's irrational why it bothers me so much and I know that, but it doesn't change my opinion.

If nothing happens with Eli then there is no way it makes sense to me to have both on the roster.
Its not a mystery what role hes been filling  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:17 pm : link
He's been running the scout team.
Still can't believe they cut Lauletta for him  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:18 pm : link
not because Lauletta's going to be any sort of world beater, but he looked a lot better than Tanney in what limited action they both got.
They  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 7:22 pm : link
obviously want him to be the long term mentor for Jones when Eli is gone after this season.
Meh  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:23 pm : link
Nassib, Webb, Lauletta. Fans build these guys up in their minds .

Same story, same reaction. Rince and repeat.

He's not in their long term plans. He had his shot to earn it, he didn't.
RE: They  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14584615 AcidTest said:
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obviously want him to be the long term mentor for Jones when Eli is gone after this season.


That's not a serious post is it? I can't tell with all the sarcasm around here today.
RE: Meh  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14584618 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Nassib, Webb, Lauletta. Fans build these guys up in their minds .

Same story, same reaction. Rince and repeat.

He's not in their long term plans. He had his shot to earn it, he didn't.


Maybe he didn't in practice. And maybe there's some other intangible element that fans don't see that makes Tanney a better selection.

But in terms of their preseason efforts, Lauletta definitely earned it. And the Eagles weren't slow to act on it either.
Acid  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:25 pm : link
I wouldn't count on that either.

I doubt the 2nd QB of 2020 is on the roster today. At least there will be another vet brought in to compete .
RE: RE: They  
AcidTest : 9/17/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14584619 jcn56 said:
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obviously want him to be the long term mentor for Jones when Eli is gone after this season.



That's not a serious post is it? I can't tell with all the sarcasm around here today.


Yes, it's serious. I don't agree with it, but I think that is their plan.
For kicks, check out Tanney's NFL history  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:27 pm : link
Let's hope the QB of the future gets a better mentor.
Tanney can manage the scout team  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:28 pm : link
That's the role they were competing for. Jones was always going to be tied to Eli learning the offense.

Tanney is here to emulate opponents.
RE: RE: Meh  
Mad Mike : 9/17/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14584621 jcn56 said:
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But in terms of their preseason efforts, Lauletta definitely earned it. And the Eagles weren't slow to act on it either.

The Eagles let him go through waivers just like every other team, so they didn't exactly pounce like a hungry tiger. And they haven't locked him down with a roster spot either. Presumably they think more of him than the Giants do, and maybe they're right, but they obviously nonetheless view him as eminently disposable.
RE: Still can't believe they cut Lauletta for him  
Johnny5 : 9/17/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14584598 jcn56 said:
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not because Lauletta's going to be any sort of world beater, but he looked a lot better than Tanney in what limited action they both got.

I really liked Lauletta but he really was not a great thrower. I'm not too surprised that nobody picked him up (at least to an active roster).
RE: RE: Still can't believe they cut Lauletta for him  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14584635 Johnny5 said:
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not because Lauletta's going to be any sort of world beater, but he looked a lot better than Tanney in what limited action they both got.


I really liked Lauletta but he really was not a great thrower. I'm not too surprised that nobody picked him up (at least to an active roster).


This isn't wrong - but again, he's not competing against prime John Elway. Whatever he was, he was better than Tanney.
It's so stupid IMO  
pjcas18 : 9/17/2019 7:32 pm : link
if he's a mentor for Jones, why not make him a QB coach and not tie up a roster spot.

he can't play. we know he can't play, he's inactive on game days and should be the rest of the way - as long as Eli is on the team.

he's 32 years old, the Giants are his 9th team, and he has thrown 14 passes in the NFL.

why cut players like Conrad, Perkins, etc. for a guy like Tanney.
How can you say hes better  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:35 pm : link
Tanney is probably the better choice in emulating opponents simply by having far more NFL experience. Hes also reliable.

The Giants aren't looking at this the way fans are. That's the diconnect
RE: How can you say hes better  
jcn56 : 9/17/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14584648 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Tanney is probably the better choice in emulating opponents simply by having far more NFL experience. Hes also reliable.

The Giants aren't looking at this the way fans are. That's the diconnect


Given the Giants level of ineptitude these past few years, maybe crowdsourcing ideas from the Internet would actually benefit them.
RE: Acid  
DavidinBMNY : 9/17/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14584622 Sneakers O'toole said:
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I wouldn't count on that either.

I doubt the 2nd QB of 2020 is on the roster today. At least there will be another vet brought in to compete .
He's a hedge in case Manning is released or traded. Next year I would think an experienced backup would be brought in. He's doing what they paid him to do - help with the transition.
RE: Its not a mystery what role hes been filling  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14584597 Sneakers O'toole said:
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He's been running the scout team.


Well that explains a fuck-ton. If Taney is the scout QB then our defense must be assuming the other QB will throw passes right in their bread baskets.
RE: How can you say hes better  
Mad Mike : 9/17/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14584648 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Tanney is probably the better choice in emulating opponents simply by having far more NFL experience. Hes also reliable.

The Giants aren't looking at this the way fans are. That's the diconnect

Sure, but that's not really the point. What possible value does a third QB have on this team? Unless people think Eli is a dick who isn't going to work with Jones, it's implausible that Tanney can somehow add value as a mentor above what Eli can do. And as unlikely as it seems to me that they want Tanney next year as the #2, if they do, does anyone really think he's going to be unavailable to sign this off-season? Or that five guys every bit as useful as him won't be available if he's not? Unless and until Eli's gone, any third QB, Tanney, Lauletta, the great Geno Smith, is just a wasted roster spot. Not that whatever street guy we'd replace him with is going to light the world on fire, but you only get so many spots, might as well use them as best you can.
Mike  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:46 pm : link
Who runs the scout team in your senario
And why are you quoting me if your point is about  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:48 pm : link
mentorship? I'm not the one arguing Tanney as a mentor
Tanney leads the scout team, that's great. Except he is a shell of  
Giants61 : 9/17/2019 7:48 pm : link
QB the Giants actually face come Sundays
Do you think every team  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:50 pm : link
has a Drew Brees running scout?
Since before cuts  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:52 pm : link
Posters have been questioning why he's here. I'm just pointing out that obvious answer.
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Go Terps : 9/17/2019 7:54 pm : link
Entering this season with a QB depth chart of Lauletta/rookie would have been preferable to what the Giants actually did. They wasted cap space and training camp reps, but worse they humiliated a club legend.

Well done, idiots.
Terps  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/17/2019 7:58 pm : link
I think there was always some merit to the let Eli move on in the offseason and start fresh with Jones notion.

I was never quite sure where I fell on the keep Eli vs go with Jones from the jump debate. Both had merit.

I still think they shouldn't start Jones now until we get some WRs back.
RE: It's so stupid IMO  
Deejboy : 9/17/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14584642 pjcas18 said:
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if he's a mentor for Jones, why not make him a QB coach and not tie up a roster spot.

he can't play. we know he can't play, he's inactive on game days and should be the rest of the way - as long as Eli is on the team.

he's 32 years old, the Giants are his 9th team, and he has thrown 14 passes in the NFL.

why cut players like Conrad, Perkins, etc. for a guy like Tanney.

A QB coach isn't involved on the field. A QB coach isn't running the second team. A QB coach isn't suited up and going through the things Jones is going through.

Whatever reason Shurmur cleary loves Tanney and feels he adds something to developing Jones. As long as Shurmur is the Giants coach you have to allow him the resources to develop Jones cause that is his legacy. Otherwise just fire Shurmur now and you won't have to worry about his guy Tanney.
RE: Tanney leads the scout team, that's great. Except he is a shell of  
Deejboy : 9/17/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14584699 Giants61 said:
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QB the Giants actually face come Sundays

Every QB that runs the scout team is a shell of the QBs that play on Sunday. I guess you were assuming NFL teams were running out staring level QBs on scout teams. Let me LOLOLOLOLOL. Thank for the laugh.
RE: .  
BrettNYG10 : 9/17/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14584716 Go Terps said:
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Entering this season with a QB depth chart of Lauletta/rookie would have been preferable to what the Giants actually did. They wasted cap space and training camp reps, but worse they humiliated a club legend.

Well done, idiots.


It's impressive that they managed to do it twice. Total incompetence.
John Mara is definitely  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/17/2019 8:32 pm : link
Making sure that Mark Davis isn’t the only one who
Want to be remembered as the son of a great owner who has run their respective franchise into the ground.

Should have just traded Eli. Bow tie time to pray Jones is the man and we suck enough to make sure we get Chase Young

I know you never want to wish people ill but can we hope the Mara’a, Steve
‘‘Tisch and Gettleman get sucked into a worm hole for a couple years and someone with a clue gets out in charge. They can come back like everyone did in the Avengers Endgame
A simple yes or no  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
Do you think the Giants are getting ANY calls to see if Eli is available for a trade assuming he waived his no trade clause?
RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14584716 Go Terps said:
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Entering this season with a QB depth chart of Lauletta/rookie would have been preferable to what the Giants actually did. They wasted cap space and training camp reps, but worse they humiliated a club legend.

Well done, idiots.


Yep
he's going to run the scout team  
GiantsFan84 : 9/17/2019 9:25 pm : link
which is what he should be doing. to have eli do that would be wrong
I don't think a lot of you get what Tanney  
Daniel in MI : 9/17/2019 9:54 pm : link
is, he's basically a player coach.

You may disagree, but that's what he is. Much like this career backup player who was here named Jason Garrett, you might remember him as the coach who led his team to kick our ass week 1 (granted, not a tough task).

Jason Garrett had much the same role Tanney does now back when he played. He actually started very few games just like Tanney, and he also bounced around a bit, but he was football smart and was considered a good guy to have in the QB room apparently.

It's very clear Tanney basically a player coach in the QB room, and runs the scout team. That's what they wanted him for, not to play. They know if Eli AND Jones are both out, whatever Tanney does won't matter to the season much because it's already over for all intents and purposes.

One could argue that with Eli certainly gone at the year's end, it's more important to have Tanney now to be the player coach for Jones than it was before for continuity.


RE: They  
bebopson : 9/18/2019 2:42 am : link
In comment 14584615 AcidTest said:
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obviously want him to be the long term mentor for Jones when Eli is gone after this season.


You have to be better than somebody at something in order to be their mentor. He's probably just good at running the scout team.
RE: A simple yes or no  
bebopson : 9/18/2019 2:48 am : link
In comment 14584849 Jimmy Googs said:
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Do you think the Giants are getting ANY calls to see if Eli is available for a trade assuming he waived his no trade clause?


no
way too much  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/18/2019 3:03 am : link
thought and energy spent on analyzing the fuck out of Tanney being on the roster.

Let it go. Who cares?

There are numerous players on this roster that don't belong on an NFL roster. We didn't cut anybody with any value to keep Tanney. The roster is dreadful. This pissing and moaning about Tanney is completely fucking pointless.

Lauletta isn't very good either. He's gone. Again, who cares?

This team needs a lot more talent. If that happens Tanney will be history. At that point they will pick up a serviceable back up.

The day they cut a good player to keep Tanney I will be here pissing with the rest of you, but that hasn't happened yet.

I'm honestly perplexed as to why people we are losing sleep over this. Much bigger fish to fry.
RE: A simple yes or no  
Rong5611 : 9/18/2019 7:04 am : link
No.

In comment 14584849 Jimmy Googs said:
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Do you think the Giants are getting ANY calls to see if Eli is available for a trade assuming he waived his no trade clause?
RE: RE: They  
Rafflee : 9/18/2019 7:39 am : link
In comment 14585321 bebopson said:
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obviously want him to be the long term mentor for Jones when Eli is gone after this season.



You have to be better than somebody at something in order to be their mentor. He's probably just good at running the scout team.


NO...you need to KNOW more than somebody and you need to establish a connection with them to be Their Mentor...all other arguments aside
RE: way too much  
christian : 9/18/2019 7:46 am : link
In comment 14585325 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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thought and energy spent on analyzing the fuck out of Tanney being on the roster.

Let it go. Who cares?

There are numerous players on this roster that don't belong on an NFL roster. We didn't cut anybody with any value to keep Tanney. The roster is dreadful. This pissing and moaning about Tanney is completely fucking pointless.

Lauletta isn't very good either. He's gone. Again, who cares?

This team needs a lot more talent. If that happens Tanney will be history. At that point they will pick up a serviceable back up.

The day they cut a good player to keep Tanney I will be here pissing with the rest of you, but that hasn't happened yet.

I'm honestly perplexed as to why people we are losing sleep over this. Much bigger fish to fry.


Who doesn't belong on an NFL roster?
RE: RE: way too much  
Big Blue '56 : 9/18/2019 8:02 am : link
In comment 14585426 christian said:
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thought and energy spent on analyzing the fuck out of Tanney being on the roster.

Let it go. Who cares?

There are numerous players on this roster that don't belong on an NFL roster. We didn't cut anybody with any value to keep Tanney. The roster is dreadful. This pissing and moaning about Tanney is completely fucking pointless.

Lauletta isn't very good either. He's gone. Again, who cares?

This team needs a lot more talent. If that happens Tanney will be history. At that point they will pick up a serviceable back up.

The day they cut a good player to keep Tanney I will be here pissing with the rest of you, but that hasn't happened yet.

I'm honestly perplexed as to why people we are losing sleep over this. Much bigger fish to fry.



Who doesn't belong on an NFL roster?


You? Me?
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Johnny5 : 9/18/2019 8:34 am : link
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not because Lauletta's going to be any sort of world beater, but he looked a lot better than Tanney in what limited action they both got.


I really liked Lauletta but he really was not a great thrower. I'm not too surprised that nobody picked him up (at least to an active roster).



This isn't wrong - but again, he's not competing against prime John Elway. Whatever he was, he was better than Tanney.

I can't argue that.
I think it is clear at this point  
Mike in ramapo college : 9/18/2019 9:05 am : link
that he was kept as a veteran presence for Daniel Jones to work with in the QB room and have around as a teammate. We have seen over and over again that the old vet starter is not a good mentor to the young rookie QB in this league -- typically it is quite the opposite.

You could argue, as I saw above, that Tanney should therefore be a coach and not take up a roster spot. That is a fair point, but it may be more about having Tanney be "one of the guys" in the locker room, which mat allow DJ to interact in a more symbiotic manner.
Also to add:  
Mike in ramapo college : 9/18/2019 9:06 am : link
Remember that Tanney knows his place and knows he isn't a starter in this league. Lauletta likely hasn't come to that conclusion yet.
Sometimes a thing makes sense from  
idiotsavant : 9/18/2019 9:12 am : link
A coaching standpoint but not from a team standpoint. The Tanny thing may not actually be a pet player situation, but if it seems that way to the other players that's a bad sign, the wrong vibe.

Players like Alonzo Russel, Carlock, Lauletta, may have warts, but also may be the types to get to crew feeling that team group thing.
Also. Scout team not setting things on fire  
idiotsavant : 9/18/2019 9:13 am : link
Obviously in terms of what they are running.
Would Carlock really have been worse then  
idiotsavant : 9/18/2019 9:20 am : link
Ogletree, Davis and Pepper's? As a depth or special situation piece?

Russel what's his name had the team fired up after that saved td
With regards to parcells  
idiotsavant : 9/18/2019 9:47 am : link
He had players with wild or uncontrolled attitudes but handled them with a touch of humor. They gave the team a bit of edge. Lauletta maybe. Nobody felt at the time that bill would be golfing with lt and the gang, but they had a rapport on game day
Sheesh, it's no mystery if you listen to what PS says  
Dave : 9/18/2019 10:22 am : link
apparently tanney is 'good in the room'
That's a great question PJ  
Jay on the Island : 9/18/2019 4:25 pm : link
I sort of understood having Tanney on the sideline with Jones while Eli was starting but now that Jones is on the field and Eli is there to back him up what purpose does Tanney serve? They should release him today.
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