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DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 7:41 pm
Which career would you prefer to have given the choice? The rings or the top “50” greatest player ever status?
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RE: Dan, this is two WTF threads in a row  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14584722 robbieballs2003 said:
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I disagree. There are certainly players who would take personal accomplishments over rings. I'm wondering if anyone on here would do such a thing. But "top 5 best NBA player ever" (not that Ewing was) but no rings, or multiple rings but "good career" etc.
Different sports  
Giant John : 9/17/2019 8:01 pm : link
Not comparing that. But Eli is up there with Jeter in my opinion.
You should go back to posting stuff from Reddit.  
Shepherdsam : 9/17/2019 8:03 pm : link
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Eli Manning  
Chef : 9/17/2019 8:06 pm : link
never choked in a big spot...
Did Dan get hacked?  
Giantology : 9/17/2019 8:09 pm : link
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RE: You should go back to posting stuff from Reddit.  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14584740 Shepherdsam said:
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Sweet insult. Too bad I've never posted something "from reddit" in my life and I've been on the site maybe 10 times in my life. Bravo!
Ewing  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2019 8:10 pm : link
Eli was surrounded by a much stronger cast and was never a top ten player in the NFL . Whereas Ewing was top ten for much of his career
RE: Different sports  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14584733 Giant John said:
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Not comparing that. But Eli is up there with Jeter in my opinion.


But Jeter has the numbers to go with the rings. He has the benchmark numbers (3,000+ hits) and was a 14 time all-star. So regardless of what thinks of Jeter his actual statistical resume is incredible.
Eli  
Torrag : 9/17/2019 8:17 pm : link
duh. He snatched the brass ring that Pat never could. Twice.
RE: Eli  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14584780 Torrag said:
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duh. He snatched the brass ring that Pat never could. Twice.


Honest question (not being sarcastic)- do you think Eli's HOF chances are impacted by "how" he got his rings ie defeating the Pats?
Come on, Dan.  
Sean : 9/17/2019 8:21 pm : link
This isn’t close at all. It’s Eli.
RE: You should go back to posting stuff from Reddit.  
jlukes : 9/17/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14584740 Shepherdsam said:
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SHEP!
Ewing is being disrespected..  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 8:23 pm : link
Eli in 2007 had a stacked team.. probably the most talented team in the league along with Pats and when he started playing at a franchise QB level.. that team was able to win the championship.. but for most of the year Eli lead the league in turnover.. On the other hand.. there was never a time till very late in his career that Ewing didn't play at a franchise QB level for his sport.. Its just that the knicks suck and have sucked for much longer.. as bad as the Giants are over the past 7 years, the knicks have been far worse for far longer.. and would've been just as baad had it not being for Ewing..

Eli had a great HoF career.. but Giants provided him the opportunity to do it.. Knicks never provided that caliber team to Ewing..
Ewing vs David Wright is a better comp  
Sean : 9/17/2019 8:24 pm : link
Eli was QB for 2(!) NYG Super Bowl champion teams. It’s not close.
I was  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2019 8:24 pm : link
curious. Per Forbes Eli Eli Manning, QB — $235.3 million


Patrick Career Earnings: $123,843,120

Now that doesn't mean much because Patrick played in a different era. Had Patrick played now he would have made more money than Eli but I found that interesting.
I know what this thread needs  
steve in ky : 9/17/2019 8:24 pm : link
A fresh direction
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R...  
Phatbrew : 9/17/2019 8:39 pm : link
You fucking kidding?!?!?! Ild take starks n just one Charles Smith basket over Ewing!!! Give me one Bernie, over Pat!!!
difference  
bc4life : 9/17/2019 8:49 pm : link
they never built a solid supporting cast around Ewing. With Eli they did but didn't maintain it
Eli, game up huge when it mattered.  
GiantsUA : 9/17/2019 8:57 pm : link
Patrick could not get the Knickerbockers over the hump.
How is this even a question?  
arniefez : 9/17/2019 9:00 pm : link
Eli put together 4 of the greatest playoff wins in NFL history.
Manning  
Hsilwek92 : 9/17/2019 9:02 pm : link
Fuck, I bet even Ewing would say Manning.
RE: Ewing is being disrespected..  
Fred in Atlanta : 9/17/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14584804 chuckydee9 said:
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Eli in 2007 had a stacked team.. ..


They were a stacked team, as you can tell by the total of 1 pro bowl player.
Huh?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2019 9:09 pm : link
Eli. Eli. Ewing was a great player, but I don't think he ever lived up to the hype. And this is coming from a man who loved Pat. The pre draft buzz had him as Russell 2.0. He was a HOFer no doubt, but wasn't the player a lot of people thought he'd become.
RE: RE: Ewing is being disrespected..  
Leg of Theismann : 9/17/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14584909 Fred in Atlanta said:
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Eli in 2007 had a stacked team.. ..



They were a stacked team, as you can tell by the total of 1 pro bowl player.


Seriously. There's a big difference between having a solid team and having a "stacked" team. 1 pro bowler, and yet they beat the Cowboys who had a record number 13 pro bowlers then beat the Pats who many were ready to deem the greatest team IN HISTORY if not for the Giants. Eli did his fair share in those games, just like he did his fair share throughout that whole SB run.

Then he (along with Cruz and JPP) carried on his own back a mediocre team to another SB victory 4 years later. If there's any argument for "Ewing over Manning" it has nothing to do with Eli having sooooo much more talent around them than Ewing did.
Ewing  
Les in TO : 9/17/2019 9:15 pm : link
Was the better overall regular season performer and was on a consistent winner for a decade but never got to hold the Larry O. Eli had a more rollercoaster career with higher highs and lower lows.
RE: Ewing is being disrespected..  
FStubbs : 9/17/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14584804 chuckydee9 said:
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Eli in 2007 had a stacked team.. probably the most talented team in the league along with Pats and when he started playing at a franchise QB level.. that team was able to win the championship.. but for most of the year Eli lead the league in turnover.. On the other hand.. there was never a time till very late in his career that Ewing didn't play at a franchise QB level for his sport.. Its just that the knicks suck and have sucked for much longer.. as bad as the Giants are over the past 7 years, the knicks have been far worse for far longer.. and would've been just as baad had it not being for Ewing..

Eli had a great HoF career.. but Giants provided him the opportunity to do it.. Knicks never provided that caliber team to Ewing..


The 10-6 2007 Giants were a stacked team? ROTFL revisionist history.
Let me settle this right now.  
FStubbs : 9/17/2019 9:20 pm : link
Jordan: 6 rings.

Number of times Ewing won a ring by going through Jordan: 0

Brady: 6 Lombardis

Number of times Eli won a Lombardi by going through Brady: 2

Case closed.
RE: RE: Ewing is being disrespected..  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14584934 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14584804 chuckydee9 said:


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Eli in 2007 had a stacked team.. probably the most talented team in the league along with Pats and when he started playing at a franchise QB level.. that team was able to win the championship.. but for most of the year Eli lead the league in turnover.. On the other hand.. there was never a time till very late in his career that Ewing didn't play at a franchise QB level for his sport.. Its just that the knicks suck and have sucked for much longer.. as bad as the Giants are over the past 7 years, the knicks have been far worse for far longer.. and would've been just as baad had it not being for Ewing..

Eli had a great HoF career.. but Giants provided him the opportunity to do it.. Knicks never provided that caliber team to Ewing..



The 10-6 2007 Giants were a stacked team? ROTFL revisionist history.


It took them a while to gel and get credit.. look at 2008.. same personnel minus Strahan and they were the most talented.. may be the team in October of 2007 wasn't the best.. but by the time the whole team gelled together and Eli started playing like a franchise QB (Pats regular season game) I believe we were a better team than Cowboys, Packers, any of the other AFC teams.. Pats were perfect until then.. but all others weren't as good as us.. That same team one gelled kicked ass in 2008..

By Feb 3 2008 we had the best OL, Best running game, best DL.. Top 5 -10 Lb group.. top 5-10 WR group.. a Franchise QB..
RE: Let me settle this right now.  
Hsilwek92 : 9/17/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14584943 FStubbs said:
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Jordan: 6 rings.

Number of times Ewing won a ring by going through Jordan: 0

Brady: 6 Lombardis

Number of times Eli won a Lombardi by going through Brady: 2

Case closed.


I mean...
RE: RE: RE: Ewing is being disrespected..  
Leg of Theismann : 9/17/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14584955 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 14584804 chuckydee9 said:


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Eli in 2007 had a stacked team.. probably the most talented team in the league along with Pats and when he started playing at a franchise QB level.. that team was able to win the championship.. but for most of the year Eli lead the league in turnover.. On the other hand.. there was never a time till very late in his career that Ewing didn't play at a franchise QB level for his sport.. Its just that the knicks suck and have sucked for much longer.. as bad as the Giants are over the past 7 years, the knicks have been far worse for far longer.. and would've been just as baad had it not being for Ewing..

Eli had a great HoF career.. but Giants provided him the opportunity to do it.. Knicks never provided that caliber team to Ewing..



The 10-6 2007 Giants were a stacked team? ROTFL revisionist history.



It took them a while to gel and get credit.. look at 2008.. same personnel minus Strahan and they were the most talented.. may be the team in October of 2007 wasn't the best.. but by the time the whole team gelled together and Eli started playing like a franchise QB (Pats regular season game) I believe we were a better team than Cowboys, Packers, any of the other AFC teams.. Pats were perfect until then.. but all others weren't as good as us.. That same team one gelled kicked ass in 2008..

By Feb 3 2008 we had the best OL, Best running game, best DL.. Top 5 -10 Lb group.. top 5-10 WR group.. a Franchise QB..


So part of your argument for the idea that the Giants "provided" Eli a stacked team (while the Knicks apparently never did so for Ewing) is that Eli was on a team with a "Franchise QB"... who was ... him? If I recall correctly.

I'm lost.
Ewing and Lundqvist are the same tier  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/17/2019 9:37 pm : link
Not quite dominant but very good and sometimes great over long careers. Never could close the deal and win the big game but a lot of that was due to their surrounding cast. Much more consistently impactful than Eli.

But Eli has the rings so even if he was relatively worse at his position than those two were at theirs, his impact on the New York sports scene trumps the other two. Not to mention QB of a football team is the biggest position in American sports today.

Eli’s epic playoff runs means he’ll be the more iconic athlete especially in New York even if he wasn’t as relatively good at his sport.
2011 was completely different..  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 9:39 pm : link
Eli along with a few others carried us that year... and Eli delivered that year.. Ewing never had.. but 2011 Giants (carried by a few players) is similar to what Ewing had to live with day in and day out.. from 2006-2009 Eli had a good team around him..

I don't want to diss on Eli.. he had a better career than Ewing.. but as a franchise Giants have been so much better than Knicks.. Knicks gave him no help.. Knicks suck and had they provided some competent teams outside of couple of Pat Riley years we would've had a ring..

and Jordan >> brady.. Jordan was 6 for 6 in his prime.. Brady is like 6 championship in 18 years.. including some years where he was carried by def and running game (2001)..

RE: RE: RE: RE: Ewing is being disrespected..  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14584964 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14584955 chuckydee9 said:




So part of your argument for the idea that the Giants "provided" Eli a stacked team (while the Knicks apparently never did so for Ewing) is that Eli was on a team with a "Franchise QB"... who was ... him? If I recall correctly.

I'm lost.


Eli Himself became a franchise level QB by 16th game of the regular season.. in 2007.. he was good and thats why we won.. but we also had the best OL in the league by Feb 3 2008.. Ewing never had the help from rest of his team..
chuckydee9  
Leg of Theismann : 9/17/2019 9:44 pm : link
I'm not trying to be a dick btw, but let's put it this way:

The Manning-era Giants and the Ewing-era Knicks both fielded playoff-caliber teams. The difference is Manning was known for showing up in big moments to put his team over the top and win titles, Ewing was known for doing the exact opposite (that is, not showing up in big moments). Part of the Giants "being the best team" by the end of 2007 and 2011, respectively, had a lot to do with Eli elevating his play. 2011 in particular Eli had an MVP-caliber season and then in the playoffs he probably did rise to become the best player in the NFL at that moment (even better than Brady was at that moment because Eli was just that good in the 2011-12 postseason). Ewing never elevated his game at the right time to be better than Jordan nor elevated his team to be better than the Bulls (or even the Rockets I guess in the Finals they made it to), whereas you can absolutely argue that Eli did accomplish that feat over football's GOAT, Tom Brady.
RE: chuckydee9  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14584989 Leg of Theismann said:
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I'm not trying to be a dick btw, but let's put it this way:

The Manning-era Giants and the Ewing-era Knicks both fielded playoff-caliber teams. The difference is Manning was known for showing up in big moments to put his team over the top and win titles, Ewing was known for doing the exact opposite (that is, not showing up in big moments). Part of the Giants "being the best team" by the end of 2007 and 2011, respectively, had a lot to do with Eli elevating his play. 2011 in particular Eli had an MVP-caliber season and then in the playoffs he probably did rise to become the best player in the NFL at that moment (even better than Brady was at that moment because Eli was just that good in the 2011-12 postseason). Ewing never elevated his game at the right time to be better than Jordan nor elevated his team to be better than the Bulls (or even the Rockets I guess in the Finals they made it to), whereas you can absolutely argue that Eli did accomplish that feat over football's GOAT, Tom Brady.


I will just have to disagree.. Dec 2007 till Plax shot himself.. Giants minus Eli were a far better team than any Ewing was provided in his prime..

Feb 3 2008 was the best sports day of my life.. so I am happy with either.. but from my young days till that day.. the only good team I followed was the Knicks and Ewing made those teams great.. so I have a soft spot for him.. Ewing was my first jersey.. Eli will prob be my last jersey.. I just overall think that Ewing is the most underrated player in NYC.. in those games 7 he was always good..
RE: chuckydee9  
chuckydee9 : 9/17/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14584989 Leg of Theismann said:
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had a lot to do with Eli elevating his play.

Ewing never elevated his game at the right time to be better than Jordan nor elevated his team to be better than the Bulls (or even the Rockets I guess in the Finals they made it to), whereas you can absolutely argue that Eli did accomplish that feat over football's GOAT, Tom Brady.


Eli had to Elevate his game.. Ewing played at an elevated level most of the time.. he couldn't elevate it even more.. if he could've he would've been Jordan.. and Jordan never lost any meaningful series in his prime.. never.. not when he was sick.. not when we was facing multiple all time greats.. never for any reason.. which is far from Brady.. who has lost (meaning not winning it all) 12 times in his prime.. Mark Sanchez's team beat him in the playoffs.. Don't give me Brady is the same as Jordan.. Football is a much more team oriented sport and no QB not even Brady can have as much influence as the best player on a Basketball court..

1994 NBA Finals - in 7 games Ewing had more rebounds and blocks (all time record at the time) than Olajowan who had more points.. I'd say that he played up to par..
Ewing had to go thru Jordan-Pippen  
Vanzetti : 9/17/2019 11:50 pm : link
Jordan is goat

And Pippen might have been the second best non-center in the league

Jordan retires and Ewing goes to the finals and almost wins. Bad call cost him game 2.
RE: Damn John Starks...  
Matt M. : 9/18/2019 12:40 am : link
In comment 14584694 bw in dc said:
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And Riley for sticking with him.
RE: Ewing...  
Matt M. : 9/18/2019 12:42 am : link
In comment 14584723 bw in dc said:
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was a better player at his sport/position than Eli.

I agree he doesn't have the brass, but Ewing won an NCAA title (and was an absolute force unseen since Bill Russell) and he has a gold medal for the Olympics.
2 gold medals.
Ewing was the better player. I don't even think that is open  
Matt M. : 9/18/2019 12:50 am : link
for debate. However, I think even Ewing would take Eli's 2 rings above all else. Ewing, as great as he was, was one of the most underrated and underappreciated athletes while he was here.

He is the sole reason I am a Knicks fan. I was a Lakers fan as I grew up hearing stories about Lew Alcindor, so I love Jabbar and MAgic was my favorite player. But, as a middle school kid, when I started watching college hoops, it was all about Ewing and Georgetown. I was thrilled when he was drafted and enjoyed every game I watched him play.
RE: Ewing had to go thru Jordan-Pippen  
gmenatlarge : 9/18/2019 12:51 am : link
In comment 14585258 Vanzetti said:
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Jordan is goat

And Pippen might have been the second best non-center in the league

Jordan retires and Ewing goes to the finals and almost wins. Bad call cost him game 2.


Eli had to go through Brady (GOAT?) and may be best team ever!
RE: Ewing...  
Default : 9/18/2019 12:52 am : link
In comment 14584723 bw in dc said:
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was a better player at his sport/position than Eli.

I agree he doesn't have the brass, but Ewing won an NCAA title (and was an absolute force unseen since Bill Russell) and he has a gold medal for the Olympics.


This...
But this question is being asked at a place where a loud minority thinks Eli is/was on the same level as Brady.
Eli and its not close  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2019 1:09 am : link
Ewing never pulled the team throug (twice) like Eli
I like the question  
WideRight : 9/18/2019 9:14 am : link
Ewing is in the HOF as one of the top 50 players in his game; Eli is not, but he has two rings

I'll take the rings
Lmao  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/18/2019 9:22 am : link
What a dumb question.
RE: RE: You should go back to posting stuff from Reddit.  
djm : 9/18/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14584762 DanMetroMan said:
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Sweet insult. Too bad I've never posted something "from reddit" in my life and I've been on the site maybe 10 times in my life. Bravo!


I won’t lie, i like reddit. Don’t post just browse. Some of it is juvenile to be kind but there’s good stuff to be had. Especially the pet gifs.
RE: How is this even a question?  
djm : 9/18/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14584900 arniefez said:
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Eli put together 4 of the greatest playoff wins in NFL history.


And Ewing was absolutely one of the best centers to ever play the nba game. He’s easily top ten. Easily.

This thread is generating some weird responses.
Saying Ewing didn’t show up in big spots  
djm : 9/18/2019 10:47 am : link
Is just flat out false. And it’s indicative of the sports fan’s warped and fucked up perception of a star athlete in this town.
Ewing was better at what he did than Eli was at what he did  
Greg from LI : 9/18/2019 10:48 am : link
Swap Scottie Pippen for Charles Smith and you think the Knicks don't win in '93?

If you rightly give Eli extra credit for the two SB runs, you have to at least acknowledge that those are the only two seasons in his career in which he won a playoff game.
Ewing  
AndyMilligan : 9/18/2019 10:56 am : link
is an all-time great player, Eli is not. But two rings and SB mvps ain't nothing to sneeze at.

Let's call it a tie.
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