After watching Beckham last night I thought how it would have been if we had him versus Dallas and Buffalo. After the night he had against the Jets I have doubts about the trade. The players we have gotten for him have done nothing to justify it so far but its a long season.
did the steelers not know what they had in leveon bell because antonio brown was tearing it up, or vice versa?
you're making it sound like having a high number of skill position players who are the best at their position is a negative.
it really isn't
But I said earlier today Jints Central bears responsibility in the divorce because it's clear we didn't have the resources to manage OBJ's personality. We needed a Strahan type. An Antonio Pierce type. Instead we have quiet Eli. A hundred year old GM. And a HC over his head right now.
So for this trade to feel less depressing, we need Lawrence to be great and Peppers needs to wake up. Otherwise, this may go down as one of the worst trades.
OBJ's skills are sorely missed right now because he stretched the defense. He took the top off it. And man could we use that right now...
That’s partly my point. jones is going to be another Eli type but now with less age and experience. He would get chewed up and spit out. And that’s usually not a positive for growth and development
I think that was the last hammer blow in the last nail in the coffin known as Beckham as Giant
Can you imagine posting a video of your boss’s boss freaking out to the world.
You’re fired
Or in this case traded
It’s not that difficult to understand
You don’t crap in the owner of the team’s bed
I would be shocked if anybody on this site or Giant headquarters is confident right now that is the case...
It's almost like you're making a proxy to Shockey. Shockey and OBJ are not equivalents. OBJ hated losing. Shockey hated not getting the ball.
Daniel - stop applying office rules to the NFL. Additionally, I'm on this forum every day and 1) never heard about this instagram post or whatever, 2) never heard anyone give a shit, 3) don't even think that's some sort of viable argument considering that there are 77k people in the stadium who could have taken that video of someone doing that in public.
If you think that's a good reason to trade the best WR in century long history of the team (accentuate that for a minute), then I don't know what to tell you
Not sure why so many people are acting this way. It’s not like we traded him because he was turning 35 this year. It was his attitude. Kid can play football.
That being said, nothing he does can make me not like the trade. UNLESS he plays at this level for 20 years. That would suck. It also won’t happen with someone with squishy belly disorder.
And you’re up all night here trying convince ‘butthurt’ fans that you’re right.
The irony is, I’m completely sure, certainly lost on you.
I heard a stat that he's actually missed more games than Sammy Watkins since they were both drafted. That was extremely surprising.
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Yeah, that's kind of the point.
We were still going nowhere with Odell.
just to reiterate how little i understand this comment...
....so we traded him for defensive help, but the defense is still ass. thing is that the offense has now put out one of the worst WR corps in NFL history this last sunday. so our offense is way worse later, and our defense is no better. how is this supporting your point again?
people need to come to terms that this was an asinine, ridiculously lopsided trade. get used to it -- you'll be hearing this forever as giants fans. rip the band-aid off now and come to terms with it. i'm here venting with my fellow fans, but when I talk to fans of other NFL teams, all I can do at this point is just admit how stupid it was instead of ranting and raving like I am here.
generational talent for a DT to replace snacks, who we traded for a 4th round pick, an average (at best) safety, and a CB who's quality is TBD, but is looking atrocious at the moment. Hell, sy was the one who said that baker played one of the worst games he's ever seen from the CB position this last sunday. Is some of it bettcher being a shitty coach? yes. could baker have a webster-like "lightbulb" moment? I definitely hope so; however, while it's still too early to tell how baker shakes out, the fact of the matter is that he's not exactly on the best trajectory now, and it's extremely unlikely that baker + lawrence + peppers are even remotely as valuable as OBJ himself.
spare me the cap argument, otherwise eli should have been cut before week 1
I guess I missed the part where a defensive lineman is supposed to be fully developed, finished product 2 games into his career.
DeAndre Baker is obviously finished after 2 games, too.
Peppers has sucked so far. He's got to be a lot better. If he's not, we have another big hole to fill.
Obviously these guys are supposed to help the defense improve over the long-term. They haven't so far, so - I guess we've seen all we need to see? Is that the conclusion here?
And I guess it's already safe to project Beckham's entire season with a 2 game sample. Nevermind that he's missed an entire seasons' worth of games over the course of the past 2 years and had a big game against a Jets defense missing half its players.
Okey doke.
1. He no longer wanted to play here
2. Nobody else offered anything better than what the Browns offered. Otherwise, we would have taken it.
3. It was Odell himself who negatively impacted his trade value.
I said this back when it happened. If this was such a steal for the Browns, then why wasn't there another team who offered more?
is your beckham jr browns jersey on the way, sweetie? you seem like the kinda guy who'd want his name on your back.
Sad.
As a consequence of the nature of the globe and the position of the sun, people long ago established time zones which differed in accordance with their geographical location. The US west coast is three hours behind the east coast. So, although it was roughly 10:30 PM in the east when he posted, in his location it was actually roughly 7:30 PM. So, barely night, more evening really, and totally conceivable that he wasn’t sleeping and needing help to get through the..um, evening.
Sad.
what was your argument again? you were drooling over beckham while watching the jets game, feel sad and miss him, and gettleman is stupid? that about right?
Peppers is pretty close also, being that this is his third year and he's been a disappointment. 25th overall "athletic freak" who didn't have a position in college and is lost out there.
You are vastly, vastly underrating Beckham.
It would take Lawrence, Baker, Peppers, and Xman all to turn into useful players for this trade to be justified.
Out of those four, we need 2 out of 4 to turn into Keith Hamilton, Webster, Rolle, or Kiwanuka to make it even in the same stratosphere.
Remember, this was the best WR in the history of the team, bar none, who was still in his prime.
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Again, whatever gets you to sleep at night pal.
As a consequence of the nature of the globe and the position of the sun, people long ago established time zones which differed in accordance with their geographical location. The US west coast is three hours behind the east coast. So, although it was roughly 10:30 PM in the east when he posted, in his location it was actually roughly 7:30 PM. So, barely night, more evening really, and totally conceivable that he wasn’t sleeping and needing help to get through the..um, evening.
And as a consequence of sticking your nose in where it doesn’t belong, I also live on the west coast and, it was he, not I who mentioned being, “Up all night.”
But, please, continue.
Who gives a shit if he's a diva? The best WRs almost always are. He made the team better. And whatever penalties he had were far exceeded by his on field value, particularly to a young QB, and particularly when paired with the best RB in the league.
I swear, it's like some people root for the team and view the players as their own employees or something.
His teammates loved him. I'd rather not defer to Shurmur and Gettleman (who will likely both be gone within 2 years) over OBJ.
Actually.......that's exactly what it means. He could have been having those types of games for us, and helping us win games we would otherwise have lost in the process like he did in 2017.
The goal is not to avoid distractions, have a good culture, etc. etc....the goal is too win games, right?
Lawrence has to be a major difference maker. If not, the deal is a huge flat-line.
Peppers is pretty close also, being that this is his third year and he's been a disappointment. 25th overall "athletic freak" who didn't have a position in college and is lost out there.
You are vastly, vastly underrating Beckham.
It would take Lawrence, Baker, Peppers, and Xman all to turn into useful players for this trade to be justified.
Out of those four, we need 2 out of 4 to turn into Keith Hamilton, Webster, Rolle, or Kiwanuka to make it even in the same stratosphere.
Remember, this was the best WR in the history of the team, bar none, who was still in his prime.
What good would it be having him here chirping in a rookie QBs ear all the time and then complaining to the media how the rookie needs to throw it to him more. Yes, my comment is hyperbole, but based on the way he was behaving before his departure, it is very possible that’s how things could have played out. Of course, they could have had an amazing connection and gone on to be Montana and Rice. But the fact is, his first few years here he was more TO then Rice. And TO in a losing environment is a cancer. Cutting that out, rather then waiting it out is the prudent course for a team that is rebuilding and needed multiple draft picks and positions filled. Speaking in definites about this trade two games into to its infancy is silly.
Beckham is more talented then the players we got, no doubt. But it was necessary, just like sitting Eli down now for Jones. It bugs some people but it needed to be done in both instances.
Beckham is more talented then the players we got, no doubt. But it was necessary, just like sitting Eli down now for Jones. It bugs some people but it needed to be done in both instances.
We needed to do a better job managing OBJ's personality.
I'm not absolving OBJ's antics, but, to quote Jimmy Johnson - be consistent, and treat everyone differently. And he coached arguably THE biggest pain in the ass in NFL history: Charles Haley.
So let's just be honest. The support system at Jints Central just wasn't malleable enough to guide OBJ.
Maybe. I think actually would have embraced Jones. It was evident in the comments that he made—which got him traded —that he thought Eli was done.
So now two games later Giants agree with him
It’s never good when a guy gets traded for speaking the truth
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rebuilding roster. Great player no doubt, but he was probably sick of all the losing. Imagine what he'd be like here this year? Browns probably are going to be good, but if they start to lose a whole bunch, watch out.
Maybe. I think actually would have embraced Jones. It was evident in the comments that he made—which got him traded —that he thought Eli was done.
So now two games later Giants agree with him
It’s never good when a guy gets traded for speaking the truth
I agree with this. I think his problem was far more with the fact he thought Eli was done as opposed to anything about the Giants per se specifically as a franchise, or the owners, etc (though Gettleman has a tendency to make players hate him, so that could have exacerbated things).
We are all Giants fans, I love Eli (obviously), but we have an attachment to Eli. He doesn't, and he's thinking this in terms of career/fame.
OBJ knew Eli was no longer a good qb and he was right. Now we complain that we have no weapons. Hahahah
OBJ knew Eli was no longer a good qb and he was right. Now we complain that we have no weapons. Hahahah
That’s actually a very good point. Forgot about that.
Again, purely on injury risk I understand trading Beckham. Not all his fault, but his first 2 years he was a very different player than the last several (mostly due to injuries). But you don't give up something for nothing. Lawrence in particular has to become something in his own right (and on a positive note he has already flashed some).
What good would it be having him here chirping in a rookie QBs ear all the time and then complaining to the media how the rookie needs to throw it to him more. Yes, my comment is hyperbole, but based on the way he was behaving before his departure, it is very possible that’s how things could have played out.
I would argue that OBJ was the canary in the coal mine on Eli's career. Eli was done a few years ago and if they had realized it and started a legitimate transition earlier, OBJ wouldn't have been complaining so much. I think he would have gotten along with DJ just fine BTW.
Of course the trade wasn't even. When are people going to finally accept that? But the trade wasn't about value or skill, it was about "changing the culture"... it was due to a "locker room problem". Usually when you trade a top 5 player away you get a ton back in return (see: Khalil Mack trade). We didn't get that for Beckham, so it was unlikely that we were going to get the better end of the deal in terms of value. But again, the trade wasn't about value, the trade was about Mara and Gettleman thinking that "fixing the locker room" was going to automatically translate to wins. Which didn't make a ton of sense to me because across the board the whole locker room actually fucking liked the guy, the only people who didn't like him were the people writing his checks (and maybe Shurmur).
Giants now have a great culture, no defense, only one great offensive player, not two, and another sterling, winless record. If “rebuilding” means giving away good and great players, then DG is truly rebuilding the franchise.
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What good would it be having him here chirping in a rookie QBs ear all the time and then complaining to the media how the rookie needs to throw it to him more. Yes, my comment is hyperbole, but based on the way he was behaving before his departure, it is very possible that’s how things could have played out.
I would argue that OBJ was the canary in the coal mine on Eli's career. Eli was done a few years ago and if they had realized it and started a legitimate transition earlier, OBJ wouldn't have been complaining so much. I think he would have gotten along with DJ just fine BTW.
I agree with this. Any posts saying DJ would get chewed up by OBJ is really insulting to DJ. Saquon and Shep have DJs back and OBJ would have too.
1) Beckham is no longer in the NYC media spotlight and therefore is not getting the same daily attention
2) he has toned it down and seems to be maturing, which did not happen here.
3) the giants continue to lose
This trade could be similar to the Chris Carter trade out of Philly to Minnesota.
1) Beckham is no longer in the NYC media spotlight and therefore is not getting the same daily attention
2) he has toned it down and seems to be maturing, which did not happen here.
3) the giants continue to lose
This trade could be similar to the Chris Carter trade out of Philly to Minnesota.
Did you see the jets game? He is the exact same guy with the visor issue and the cramping.
If anything he is even more outspoken now. Win and he will be fine. Lose and watch out.
And Peppers seems to be what he was in Cleveland; a JAG safety. Maybe another 10% of Beckham's value
The trade was in a class with the Sox selling Babe Ruth's contract.
We moved on and got picks and a player back for him. If the picks don’t work out, blame the drafting not the trade.
Issue 1 Shurmur and Betcher
Issue 2 Defense pass rush and our keystone cop DBs
The Fantasy Football mentality that you need HOF level WRs to win a championship has been actually shown Over and over and over to be a fallacy.
He didn't go for the onsides kick.
He benched himself the final four games.
He is unreliable.
Would you put up with that as an employer signing the check?
Simple, win some games.