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Am I missing something with this Eli story today?

eric2425ny : 9/17/2019 10:20 pm
Guy is a Giants legend. The Giants organization knows we are screwed this year based on what they have seen the first few weeks, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. Putting Jones in is not an indictment of Eli, it’s saying we are done this year and want to get the kid in there so he gets some reps. With 60 million in cap room next year and more high draft picks we may actually be able to compete if he gets some reps in during a lost season.

This isn’t David Carr from years back when the Houston line was shit and the guys career was ruined. Jones will have the best RB in the game behind him and a solid line to protect him and hopefully keep him healthy. And honestly, if the guy blows, it’s a strong QB class next year. Odds are about 2% they would do it, but if they feel they blundered the Jones pick based on what transpires the next 14 weeks they could pull the trigger on another one.
And I’m not directing this toward the members of this board  
eric2425ny : 9/17/2019 10:22 pm : link
More from the former players, talking heads, etc that are acting like this is the Eli for Geno swap part 2.
Please  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:25 pm : link
Eli is done and Jones is going to be the man. End of story stop sugar coating this.
Jones  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:26 pm : link
looked like the best QB in the draft this year. Stop talking about if and just get on the Jones train.
RE: Please  
eric2425ny : 9/17/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14585098 mdthedream said:
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Eli is done and Jones is going to be the man. End of story stop sugar coating this.


I’m not totally disagreeing with you, but whether you think Eli is done or not, it makes total sense to put Jones in right now. That’s my point. Season’s over.
We  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:28 pm : link
should have ended this by saying good bye this spring when we drafted Jones.
Sadly if Jones played last week  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:28 pm : link
we would have won and season would not be over.
shitty decisions made  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:29 pm : link
and a waste of money and time.
How we will know if Shurmur/DG are trying to save their job  
justafan : 9/17/2019 10:31 pm : link
is less about how well DJ plays and more about Barkley's workload. How much you want to bet they ride Barkley to a win Sunday? 20+ carries easily. Throw in another 8 targets in the passing game.

Compare that against Barkley's workload game 1 and 2.
They tried to give  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:32 pm : link
Barkley the ball and scored a td early but eli can't keep drives going. Please stop making excuses for Eli they loaded the box because Eli is done.
RE: Sadly if Jones played last week  
Trainmaster : 9/17/2019 10:35 pm : link
we would have won and season would not be over.

I didn’t realize that in addition to playing QB, Jones is also an excellent edge rusher, cornerback and free safety. A steal with the 6th overall pick.

Nope  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:41 pm : link
we left a lot of points on the field.
Buff  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:42 pm : link
is not that good and Eli can't play in the red zone.
Love Eli  
mdthedream : 9/17/2019 10:43 pm : link
but it was over last year.
RE: How we will know if Shurmur/DG are trying to save their job  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14585115 justafan said:
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is less about how well DJ plays and more about Barkley's workload. How much you want to bet they ride Barkley to a win Sunday? 20+ carries easily. Throw in another 8 targets in the passing game.

Compare that against Barkley's workload game 1 and 2.

That's also the way you'd expect a coach to call most rookies' first game to ease their transition. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions if/when that does play out.
RE: Sadly if Jones played last week  
islander1 : 9/17/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14585109 mdthedream said:
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we would have won and season would not be over.


Jones plays defense too? Wow, who knew?
What will the excuses crowd  
Junior22 : 9/17/2019 11:34 pm : link
Say if Jones comes out and offense scores more than 7 points or 14 points and we win the bucks game. Will they say it's luck or that coaches and team play harder for Jones and it's not Eli fault
RE: They tried to give  
montanagiant : 9/17/2019 11:48 pm : link
In comment 14585118 mdthedream said:
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Barkley the ball and scored a td early but eli can't keep drives going. Please stop making excuses for Eli they loaded the box because Eli is done.

Yeah, the fact we had PS WRs playing as starters have nothing to do with it..SMH with the dumbness on here
RE: What will the excuses crowd  
montanagiant : 9/17/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14585247 Junior22 said:
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Say if Jones comes out and offense scores more than 7 points or 14 points and we win the bucks game. Will they say it's luck or that coaches and team play harder for Jones and it's not Eli fault


Yeah "Coaches play harder"..Holy shit...LMAO
Eli is a very limited athlete at this point - everyone knows that  
Eric on Li : 9/17/2019 11:58 pm : link
Jones is going to be light years ahead of him in that sense. That's why they are making the change. He may not be better right away and will almost certainly make more mistakes but at 0-2 with a lifeless offense it doesn't really matter. It may have been an unfair or impossible objective for Eli to have to win to keep the job with this group, but I don't think there was any deception or hidden agenda. If the defense pitched 2 shutouts and they were 2-0 right now he'd probably still be QB even though he hasn't played very well.
RE: What will the excuses crowd  
islander1 : 9/18/2019 12:07 am : link
In comment 14585247 Junior22 said:
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Say if Jones comes out and offense scores more than 7 points or 14 points and we win the bucks game. Will they say it's luck or that coaches and team play harder for Jones and it's not Eli fault


As long as we have no NFL WR's and a defense surrendering 28 points a game, we aren't winning jack shit.
RE: Eli is a very limited athlete at this point - everyone knows that  
eric2425ny : 9/18/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14585269 Eric on Li said:
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Jones is going to be light years ahead of him in that sense. That's why they are making the change. He may not be better right away and will almost certainly make more mistakes but at 0-2 with a lifeless offense it doesn't really matter. It may have been an unfair or impossible objective for Eli to have to win to keep the job with this group, but I don't think there was any deception or hidden agenda. If the defense pitched 2 shutouts and they were 2-0 right now he'd probably still be QB even though he hasn't played very well.


Exactly, this was my point with this post. Whether you think Eli is done or not, we have no defense and that does not equate to a winning season. Why put Eli out there every week when you know this is his last year with the team and you have his successor in the wings in games you know you are likely going to lose. I kind of question why they kept Eli in the first place, but maybe they thought more of this defense. Personally, I think Bettcher sucks, but now that we have converted to a 3-4 I feel like our options for a new coordinator are kind of limited since most teams run a 4-3 scheme. If we hire another 4-3 guy we basically have a shitload of DT’s and a bunch of OLB’s trying to become successful undersized 4-3 DE’s.
RE: RE: Sadly if Jones played last week  
Prude : 9/18/2019 1:08 am : link
In comment 14585240 islander1 said:
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we would have won and season would not be over.



Jones plays defense too? Wow, who knew?


They only scored 28 points. 30 wins it. Let's not pretend that's impossible.
RE: Sadly if Jones played last week  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2019 1:23 am : link
In comment 14585109 mdthedream said:
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we would have won and season would not be over.


Its moronic statements like this that really piss me off. The offense will be the same, this is about giving Jones experience since we suck.
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montanagiant : 9/18/2019 2:01 am : link
In comment 14585302 PatersonPlank said:
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we would have won and season would not be over.



Its moronic statements like this that really piss me off. The offense will be the same, this is about giving Jones experience since we suck.

He's been a moron ever since he first posted on here. Nothing but a troll and a sad ass one at that.
RE: RE: Sadly if Jones played last week  
Junior22 : 9/18/2019 5:10 am : link
In comment 14585302 PatersonPlank said:
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we would have won and season would not be over.



Its moronic statements like this that really piss me off. The offense will be the same, this is about giving Jones experience since we suck.


Ok so you are predicting that Jones will make no difference and the offense will continue to score 10 points per game. We will see
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Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/18/2019 6:02 am : link
In comment 14585295 Prude said:
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we would have won and season would not be over.



Jones plays defense too? Wow, who knew?



They only scored 28 points. 30 wins it. Let's not pretend that's impossible.


With those WR's. Yes. Impossible.
No I am  
mdthedream : 9/18/2019 7:03 am : link
being honest. Eli has been done for 2 years everyone else can see this. Jones has looked great ever sense he arrived. The Giants had chances of scoring 30 last week but stalled every time except two drives. Just because you feel for Eli and all doesn't mean I am not right. Love Eli but the coaches wanted to make a change two years ago but the owner did not.
RE: No I am  
section125 : 9/18/2019 7:19 am : link
In comment 14585384 mdthedream said:
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being honest. Eli has been done for 2 years everyone else can see this. Jones has looked great ever sense he arrived. The Giants had chances of scoring 30 last week but stalled every time except two drives. Just because you feel for Eli and all doesn't mean I am not right. Love Eli but the coaches wanted to make a change two years ago but the owner did not.


For all his faults and bad hair, McAdoo saw it in 2017. Mac was not a bad OC.
Why keep Eli at all?  
Rjanyg : 9/18/2019 7:26 am : link
They should have cut ties last year, signed a cheap vet, kept OBJ, drafted Jones, signed Earl Thomas, drafted a pass rusher in round 2, signed Shaquille Barrett.

$17,000 in cap can get you a few pieces. No plan.
sorry  
giantfan2000 : 9/18/2019 8:16 am : link

the HC is obligated to put the players on the field he thinks will win games
it is obvious that Giants have better chance to win with DJ than Manning

this is McAdoo decision all over again but this time the fans understand what coach saw 3 YEARS AGO
yeah mcadoo was totally right about Geno Smith and Davis Webb  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2019 9:57 am : link
what a bunch of fools we were to not listen to him 2 years ago. I'll make sure to remember his clairvoyance and trust his advice the next time he asks "paper or plastic".
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