I've been giving the promotion of Jones some thought, and I think that the key elements on offense the Giants have been missing is the ability to develop a rhythm, the ability to consistently be decisive, and the ability to extend play. I believe that the Giants Offense should be playing much better than they are, and what I'm hoping is that with Jones they are going to have more of a spark plug for those elements behind the wheel. This is the way it appeared in preseason.
Eli was good and steady in his limited preseason appearances but the teams demeanor with him was kind of matter of fact. We didn't really see him get tested then. When he was tested in the first two regular season games the offense sputtered. Jones on the other hand led them in a more electric fashion and the team was responding to that electricity. We saw him get tested and he and they respond to it with more grit and fire.
If we can see that electricity it will at least give the Giants more of a fighting chance to score more points, and hopefully the defense will respond in kind. It's a lot easier to play spirited football if your leader shows that fighting spirit. It's a spirit we really haven't seen.
What we've been seeing is a lot of pressing and very tentative playing after any adversity arises and I think that approach and a sense of desperation, were factors that led to the miscues we keep seeing.
So here's to the new Quarterback. I am hoping he is the real deal. I certainly think he has the right fighting spirit and I am looking forward to seeing more fight, more spunk, and less bloody helplessness. I think this is the right move at the right time.
We'll also have to see if that's because of poor playcalls w/ guys button-hooking too often, or running short of the sticks...again, esp guys like EE w/ his speed who should be catching in stride vs stop routes
Either way, it's time to find out. Pretty hopeful given his toughness, talent & attitude. Good luck DJ & NYG!
We're a rebuilding ball club is way behind the Cowboys and Eagles on the talent scale. The team just spent the #6 pick in the entire draft on a QB.
There is no point in playing Eli. I expect Daniel Jones to have a rough 14 games. But he will be ahead of the learning curve entering 2020.
DJ is a rookie and is going to play like a rookie.
This isn’t going to fix the problem. DJ needs to take his licks and learn on the job and that’s about to happen and the best thing to happen.
If they have the talent, staff and FO to make him successful is the real question.
Shurmur wants to get his qb moving around and put pressure on the defense, i expect a lot of play action and roll outs sunday..
Eli was simply to limited
I'm glad they made this move in week 2, and not week 4 or 6 or something.
Shurmur wants to get his qb moving around and put pressure on the defense, i expect a lot of play action and roll outs sunday..
Eli was simply to limited
Worked pretty well the end of last season
But it's desperation. No need to rush but imo ofc they've done everything wrong from start by 1st off hiring DG.
SO now we have another mistake. Jones should've
come in during week 5.
Next year this team better be good enough to be in the hunt at worst during the last game of the season.
The defense just isnt good enough.
Only path to victory is to outscore our opponents. Eli is not good enough anymore to make his teammates better & doesnt have the ability to play from behind.
Fans are angry - they've been angry. Jones isn't likely to fare any better than Eli - in fact, he could be much worse.
So how does it equate to a desperation move? If Gettleman and Shurmur want to preserve their jobs, that clock doesn't start ticking until Jones starts taking snaps. So him sitting on the bench would actually benefit them.
If Mara wants to sell tickets, he easily could have approached Eli and they could have announced a retirement after the season, and you'd get a farewell tour out of it.
The only real logic behind this move is that you want to start getting Jones some snaps, both to further his experience and to see what you have in him. Neither one of those is born out of desperation.
That would imply a coordinated message and strategy. That’s not what I saw. You watch the post game presser, the real motive was plain and straightforward in the raw moment. Exasperation. Shurmur believes they have a better chance to win NOW with DJ than the 2019 Eli. Gettlemen knew this last year and drafted a QB. If DG thought Eli still had it, they would’ve waited.
Everyone in the building hoped for the best. I think they would have taken 7 wins with Eli over 6 with DJ even if DJ got experience.
But the offense was putrid. And the embarrassment of the past year looked to continue. But they want to win now.
Required disclaimers: EIHF, EMFG, IAJF
Really no on comes to mind on either side of the ball. It’s a team without an identity and it’s too late to become Eli’s. So it becomes Jones’s team by default if he can earn it. No time like now for him to start.
The defense is a fucking joke. Other than the Dolphins who are making sure they will owe every week by 50 this team is looking at a bottom 5 pick.
Pitt Cincy and maybe Jacksonville May be up there fighting it out over who will be # 2(pun intended) w this collection of badly coached players
Betcher needs to be Tim Lewised. Maybe Jones can be better but when 3-10 is the same as 3rd and 1 good luck winning
Fans are angry - they've been angry. Jones isn't likely to fare any better than Eli - in fact, he could be much worse.
That’s a very important point. Jones could be. But that’s where Shurmur needs to show discipline and keep sending Jones out there. Let him take his lumps. Maybe sit him for a second half if things go sideways in the first half. But patch him up, get his mind right, and get back on the proverbial horse.
With these rookie QBs, especially high selections, you have about two and a half seasons to figure this out. If you can’t make it work by then, it’s back to the drawing board. And into the market looking for another solution...
The defense is a fucking joke. Other than the Dolphins who are making sure they will owe every week by 50 this team is looking at a bottom 5 pick.
Pitt Cincy and maybe Jacksonville May be up there fighting it out over who will be # 2(pun intended) w this collection of badly coached players
Betcher needs to be Tim Lewised. Maybe Jones can be better but when 3-10 is the same as 3rd and 1 good luck winning
The Defense was always going to be this bad. There are just too many young players in spots where they can be exploited. DJ is going to have to come in and win shootouts, and if he plays like he did in preseason that is possible. Hopefully the D finds it's footing as the season progresses.
Really no on comes to mind on either side of the ball. It’s a team without an identity and it’s too late to become Eli’s. So it becomes Jones’s team by default if he can earn it. No time like now for him to start.
This is actually a good astute point. As a huge Eli fan, I am disappointed but this makes sense
What team comes out and says "our plan is hope, but we're not really sure if our QB is still a playmaker"? Of course they're going to try and pump up the fans and the locker room with expectations. But look at their actions for what they really believe(d). The closest we got was shurmur's " Daniel is preparing to play week 1 / we are expecting a great year from Eli" or "we told Eli it was his job to keep Jones off the field"
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That this is at best a 4-6 win team no matter who plays QB.
The defense is a fucking joke. Other than the Dolphins who are making sure they will owe every week by 50 this team is looking at a bottom 5 pick.
Pitt Cincy and maybe Jacksonville May be up there fighting it out over who will be # 2(pun intended) w this collection of badly coached players
Betcher needs to be Tim Lewised. Maybe Jones can be better but when 3-10 is the same as 3rd and 1 good luck winning
The Defense was always going to be this bad. There are just too many young players in spots where they can be exploited. DJ is going to have to come in and win shootouts, and if he plays like he did in preseason that is possible. Hopefully the D finds it's footing as the season progresses.
I doubt the my thought the D would be this bad. The secondary is usually 5-10 yards away from receivers. I Agree it. will get slightly better as some of the rookies get their bearings but I have so little faith in Betcher right now I’m not sure it helps enough.
I’d have waited a couple weeks to let Tate and Sheppard return but at this point I’m ok w Jones getting his shot. He has good OL and Barkley. A lot more than Eli had to go w. But he’s going to need to put up 35 every week. Good luck w that w this team
I guess you could call it a positive football move in the sense that it is time to experiment. Everybody else is still being watched. .... not just Jones.
Eli the lightning rod is gone. Hopefully Jones is the goods.
Coaching his fourth year he needs to be producing wins regardless of previous circumstances.
All the talk has been Eli for a couple years now. Now, he has the QB he selected to run his offense. I think the Giants and Jones will need to show steady improvement for him to be back next year.
The Giants may have recognized they are not going to the playoffs this year and by playing Eli most of the year you are giving PS a pass and he gets another year. To me, PS there may be concerns from leadership regarding him.
Recall when Dallas benched Bledsoe for Romo years back...Romo took some lumps but the immediate spark he gave the team was unmistakeable.
Young QBs get better by PLAYING. There is no more reason to keep Jones watching.
If the D looked more promising and/or the Offense was playing well, then Eli keeps playing. Neither was the case.
Easy decision by Shurmur.
At this point in time, I think Jones gives them a better chance to win. DG built him a decent line so that he should not be plastered early and often. Time to set the bird free.
God Bless Eli and his lovely family. Thank you for what you did.
Jones is better than they thought he would be.
I think this happened earlier than we all thought, but it is the right move. The franchise has hit rock bottom, they need to let the kid play and develop. They need to see what they have.
This was the plan all along. The only unknown was the week to make the change. They wisely chose to do it sooner rather than later to give Jones more experience going into 2020 and 2021 when the rebuilt team will be ready to compete.
It's not desperation. It's the way transitions have to happen in the NFL.
Recall when Dallas benched Bledsoe for Romo years back...Romo took some lumps but the immediate spark he gave the team was unmistakeable.
Good comparison.
Hopefully this works out. It’s just hard to put all the blame on one player while the whole team outside of a running back and interior lineman suck.
The D has what, 3 rookies starting, and how many second and third year players? The D will struggle.
I’m not quite sure how a GM messages that the team is rebuilding without sounding defeatist or making the players feel disrespected.
I love what Eli has done for this team. But they drafted Joes at #6 for a reason.
It is going to be painful for DJ but we need to see what he has and what he can do beyond "the nothing" produced over the last several seasons.
But this is simple:
If the HC waited until late in the season to start Jones he was going to fired. This is the only chance to save his job.
That's it. Not any other reason.
The worst case scenario would have been that the Giants remain in playoff contention almost the whole season and Jones didnt get to play except for Garbage time. This sets us up to have Jones ready for 2020 and 2021. If he is the Guy we should start to see it sooner rather than later. Whatever we get this season is gravy. maybe Jones makes a run and keeps us in contention. Maybe he is a disaster who knows. I just want to see him get better each week.
I see it mentioned that Eli can't run the plays Shurmur is calling that his immobility is the primary reason we should go to Jones, that Shurmur is only using half his playbook on Eli. If that is the case, what kind of coach do we have in Shurmur? I look back at his experience and more and more I'm baffled at how he was chosen as head coach. They have nobody to help the defense, no one else who could possibly spark the offense let alone the team. Hopefully, Jones can make some progress with the plays being called and as has been stated bring some electricty or some urgency to the Giants play. I am sceptical of the wide receivers he has (he had a crappy supporting cast in Duke and not sure our WR are much better). He does have a decent OL it seems TG. And if all else fails hand it off to Barkley. I am sceptical because you're asking a rookie to come in and lift the WHOLE team to play better. Something the coaches haven't been able to do......
We'll see if that translates to anything on Sunday.
This team has always had such a talent deficit that there was never a serious opportunity for them to be competitive this year.
This year was ALWAYS about learning and incremental improvement.
Folks should have absolutely no expectations that DJ is going to step in and turn this team's fortunes around. He is a rookie, and he will have his rookie struggles like Eli did, like Payton did, like our secondary is having.
I originally predicted 6 wins on the season. My expectation was that they would stick with Eli for 8 to 10 games with the Giants winning about 6 games and that Eli would be responsible for pulling a couple out. With DJ, I have to revise my expectations down a game or two. And that's ok, it moves DJ farther along the learning curve for next year.
Once again, I need to remind folks. This team won 3 games two and looked awful doing it. They were 1 and 7 the first half of last year, and looked even worse. Then they were gifted 4 games when the Giants were relatively healthy, and the opponents had backup QBs, along with other significant injuries at the the time. Those wins were a mirage... Last year's team was 2 or 3 win team in actual quality.
Now the Giants are playing even more 1st and 2nd year players. Many of them selected in rounds 3 and under where there was and is no certainty of success no at individual player levels at this point, no matter how much they have flashed.Many of these players we are hoping will become something special, will just never develop further. This team has a lot more work to do.
Personally I thought it was premature to get a QB in this year's draft. The team needed a lot more talent before being able to compete, and to fully take advantage of the pick's rookie contract. Which means we may be wasting DJ's and Saquan's rookie contract. Moves I questioned at the time, and still do.
sorry left out the "years ago" part.
I don't believe he will be able to carry the team to a win on his own. The Roster is too talent-poor overall IMO. But it's okay I've made my peace with it.
I am, of course, hoping I am wrong.
There is no point in playing Eli. I expect Daniel Jones to have a rough 14 games. But he will be ahead of the learning curve entering 2020.
ITA.
I do think Jones will be a fairly typical rookie. Even the best QBs are average at best their rookie season.
We're a rebuilding ball club is way behind the Cowboys and Eagles on the talent scale. The team just spent the #6 pick in the entire draft on a QB.
There is no point in playing Eli. I expect Daniel Jones to have a rough 14 games. But he will be ahead of the learning curve entering 2020.
100% spot on.
Personally I thought it was premature to get a QB in this year's draft. The team needed a lot more talent before being able to compete, and to fully take advantage of the pick's rookie contract. Which means we may be wasting DJ's and Saquan's rookie contract. Moves I questioned at the time, and still do.
I understand this line of thinking but a transition was needed from Eli and DG thinks DJ is the real deal. Ideally it would end up like Seattle with Wilson or Dallas but that kind of timing (and luck) is tricky.
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Personally I thought it was premature to get a QB in this year's draft. The team needed a lot more talent before being able to compete, and to fully take advantage of the pick's rookie contract. Which means we may be wasting DJ's and Saquan's rookie contract. Moves I questioned at the time, and still do.
I understand this line of thinking but a transition was needed from Eli and DG thinks DJ is the real deal. Ideally it would end up like Seattle with Wilson or Dallas but that kind of timing (and luck) is tricky.
Yes Eli is at the end, but would it have really mattered if the team continues to build the rest of the team. We were going to lose with Eli or with a successor. Why not wait another year or 2 for the successor at which time you are closer to competing?
And don't give me crap about you don't know where you will be picking in the draft next year. I have 2 answers to that. It was clear to me even before this year's draft that the Giants would likely have a top 10 pick next year or close to it. Also, the trades the made, they could have picked up more 1st round picks next year to give themselves more ammo. In addition, they can use future pick like thye did with Eli. The point is, where there is a will there is a way. I am never the least bit concerned about the cost to move up to pick a franchise QB.
Let me put it this way. If a certain pick in the draft has X amount of value. If you have that pick and you use it, you have spent X amount of value. If you come up with a package that equals X amount of value and you use that package to trade for the pick and use it, then you have still used X amount of value. It really doesn't matter where or how you came up with that value. Its all fungible.