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...it was eventually going to happen, it was just a matter of "when", and there was no satsifactory way to do it.
I think every BBIer would agree on one thing (something very rare indeed): We all dreamed that Eli would have some kind of magical run this season; win a third Super Bowl; and retire on his own terms.
One of the more touching things that Phil Simms said is that he wished he (Simms) could have had a demeanor more like Eli's in terms of his overall approach to the game and how he dealt with the countless questions from the press. He said Eli was raised very well.
and give him the opportunity to potentially hook up with another team (if he wants it).
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
and give him the opportunity to potentially hook up with another team (if he wants it).
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I believe that didn't let him go for two reasons: (1) They felt Eli gave the team the best chance of winning now; (2) The organization holds Eli in the highest regards and wanted to pay him rather than kicking him to the curb.
1) His experience will be useful to DJ's prep and game day adjustments
2) Jones getting hurt is not a far fetched possibility
2) We are paying him either way
and give him the opportunity to potentially hook up with another team (if he wants it).
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I think they discussed every possibility with Eli but Eli told them that he wants to remain with the team for now at least.
There was a better way to do this and the Giants botched it
There is no easy way to part with a legend (unless said Legend retires on their own) but Giants did this in the worst possible way and Eli deserved a lot better.
It would have stung and some people would have still questioned it but releasing Eli in the off-season (either 2/3 years ago or even this past off season) would have been better than having his legacy tarnsihed and him being benched 2 games into a season when he is 0-2 and the team (once again) looks like garbage.
I am absolutely thrilled DJ is getting started and personally have been ready for a QB change for several years but the much bigger issue is the horrific management of this team (starting with Mara) that has led to mistake after mistake - both on and off the field.
we blew it with DG and PS and I have little doubt that DJ and Saquon will be in a new offense with a new coach/GM in a year or 2 and we will be once again hoping we got it right.
Good luck, DJ... my sons and I will be rooting hard for you.
and Happy Trails Eli - you are a NY legend and (I hope) a HOFer
RE: There was a better way to do this and the Giants botched it
There is no easy way to part with a legend (unless said Legend retires on their own) but Giants did this in the worst possible way and Eli deserved a lot better.
It would have stung and some people would have still questioned it but releasing Eli in the off-season (either 2/3 years ago or even this past off season) would have been better than having his legacy tarnsihed and him being benched 2 games into a season when he is 0-2 and the team (once again) looks like garbage.
I am absolutely thrilled DJ is getting started and personally have been ready for a QB change for several years but the much bigger issue is the horrific management of this team (starting with Mara) that has led to mistake after mistake - both on and off the field.
we blew it with DG and PS and I have little doubt that DJ and Saquon will be in a new offense with a new coach/GM in a year or 2 and we will be once again hoping we got it right.
Good luck, DJ... my sons and I will be rooting hard for you.
and Happy Trails Eli - you are a NY legend and (I hope) a HOFer
Would you have felt better had the Giants benched Eli, say, after 6 games? 8 games? When was the time to make the change?
you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
Kind of hard to cut him qhen you would of had to cut him BEFORE you drafted jones
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Most of the replies agreeing with Francesa. Mara spoke immediately after the 2017 benching. Does he do the same today?
Not a fair comparison. In 2017, the coach and GM had just been fired and Mara was the only one left to talk who had participated in the decision to bench Eli.
On that occasion, he was polite enough to say that whether Eli would start the next game was up to the new coach.(Ha ha).
When Shurmur spoke Monday, he said "they're meeting right now." The "they" was obviously Mara and Gettleman, so it's not a secret they were involved.
But, as things stand, what can they politely say publicly except "We support Pat's decision."
And it's not time for eulogies because Eli hasn't been released and no one knows what is going to happen Sunday. Jones could get hurt the first series of downs and Eli could be back out there.
you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
...it was eventually going to happen, it was just a matter of "when", and there was no satsifactory way to do it.
I think every BBIer would agree on one thing (something very rare indeed): We all dreamed that Eli would have some kind of magical run this season; win a third Super Bowl; and retire on his own terms.
You give BBIer's too much credit. Just like all BBIer's wanting Jones to succeed.
and give him the opportunity to potentially hook up with another team (if he wants it).
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
This team is made up of young guys, guys from other teams and guys with less than 4 years here. I doubt there is this huge divide on who the QB should be. 3 years ago would have been a whole different thing. OBJ threw Manning under the bus and nobody had issues with OBJ about it. Even the Oline is pretty new and probably feels protective of Jones as the now and future starter of the team.
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Most of the replies agreeing with Francesa. Mara spoke immediately after the 2017 benching. Does he do the same today?
Not a fair comparison. In 2017, the coach and GM had just been fired and Mara was the only one left to talk who had participated in the decision to bench Eli.
On that occasion, he was polite enough to say that whether Eli would start the next game was up to the new coach.(Ha ha).
When Shurmur spoke Monday, he said "they're meeting right now." The "they" was obviously Mara and Gettleman, so it's not a secret they were involved.
But, as things stand, what can they politely say publicly except "We support Pat's decision."
And it's not time for eulogies because Eli hasn't been released and no one knows what is going to happen Sunday. Jones could get hurt the first series of downs and Eli could be back out there.
I heard O'Hara on the radio comparing this to 2017 too. I don't get it. This is nothing like 2017. 2017 was the coach throwing shit up in the air to see what landed and then benching Eli to throw shit, widely known shit too, on the field. There was no plan there, just wild desperation. At least we know that this is a real future that is on the field, not some garbage castoff from a garbage team.
you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
NYG was 11-5 and in the playoffs at the end of 2016, which was less than 3 years ago. You wanted Eli cut at that point?
you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
NYG was 11-5 and in the playoffs at the end of 2016, which was less than 3 years ago. You wanted Eli cut at that point?
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
NYG was 11-5 and in the playoffs at the end of 2016, which was less than 3 years ago. You wanted Eli cut at that point?
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
could there have been another driver to that statistical resurgence?
Knowing DG and his prior actions he probably wanted to cut Eli
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons. Now 2017, 2018, and 2019 he dropped off noticably, however I don't think its correct to say he hasn't been good since 2013. Sure the team was bad for most of that, but Eli was doing his part to hold things up.
I was being off the cuff without thinking about the timeline
Eli 08-12 was peak Eli. Really good to great quarterback play week in and week out, culminating in 2011, which was masterful. Even the 2010 year, where they blew the Dodge game, they had a really good team. That should have been another deep playoff run.
not after that season, but I think most realized after 2017 that time was up for Eli,
I can agree with this, for me maybe it was sometime in 2018, but basically the same. Its clear watching those old video's how much hi mobility has reduced, which I think is a big part of it.
cmon, the stats were good, but Eli was way better as a quarterback in earlier years than 2014-2016
Sure I agree, I'm not arguing that. All I am saying is Eli didn't suck since 2013 which seems to be the mantra of some. He put together some solid seasons from 14-16 too, certainly good enough still be a top qb
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Sterling Shepard (concussion) practicing in a non-contact jersey. Making progress. Cody Latimer (concussion), Kevin Zeitler (shoulder) and Grant Haley (?) not practicing. Darius Slayton (hamstring) and Garrett Dickerson (quad) participated in the portion open to media.
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons.
Eli threw for almost 5000 yards in 2011 with an average yard per attempt over eight.
'16 isn't close to that.
Average yard per attempt is a key stat and it dropped a full yard from '15 to '16.
And the most pertinent stat for a QB is to score points. 310 points in '16 was crap, 26th out of 32.
The yards per attempt had everything to do with McAdoo's new offensive scheme. Yes points went down, but the OL sucked for most of that (the OL was horrendous). Again as I have said, Eli was better in the SB years. The point I am making is he could still play at a high level until 2017. He hasn't sucked since 2013.
Think he showed some good potential. Plus can stretch D. He is another guy I would play a lot this yr unless he is truly not ready
If there was a decent return I would consider trading jackrabbit too
But on the fence with that. I actually think we could contend next yr and he may be helpful
would be great to see Beal ( 2nd half of season) and Ballantine too
Get love in a FS too
if we arent gonna be good I want top 5 pick so we can trade to someone needing a qb ( unless their is a real stud edge rusher or OT there)
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Haley dealing with an illness. Was mostly standing and watching.
Also of note: Rookie WR Darius Slayton (hamstring) was participating. He told me he was doing more at the end of last week and was getting close. #giants
and give him the opportunity to potentially hook up with another team (if he wants it).
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I don't get the sense that Eli wants that. If he did, we probably wouldn't have heard from his camp yesterday that he has no intention of waiving his NTC.
I'd have a hard time believing that's simply because he would want to collect his money from the Giants and get new money from another team - if that was his motivation, it would be incongruent from the man who has handled his whole career with class. So if he's not willing to waive his NTC to go to another team, and if he's not outright retiring right now, it's because on some level, he wants to see this through and finish this season with the Giants. If that's the case, why would the Giants release him?
Quite honestly, there's probably an element of not wanting to compound an already humbling experience by joining another team midseason and having to learn their offense while being expected to be some sort of savior (since the only teams that would presumably be interested are contenders who need a QB). Or worse, not being asked to be a savior at all (I'm not saying there wouldn't be a market for him, but he may just not want to risk the chance that there isn't).
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons. Now 2017, 2018, and 2019 he dropped off noticably, however I don't think its correct to say he hasn't been good since 2013. Sure the team was bad for most of that, but Eli was doing his part to hold things up.
It's pretty clear there was a drop-off from 2015 to 2016.
I think you just got the years wrong when you said 2015-16 and probably meant 2014-15. It's ok to walk it back. Probably better than planting your flag in the ground to claim that 2016 was one of Eli's best seasons. That doesn't exactly paint Eli's career very well if that qualifies as one of his best years.
Think he showed some good potential. Plus can stretch D. He is another guy I would play a lot this yr unless he is truly not ready
If there was a decent return I would consider trading jackrabbit too
But on the fence with that. I actually think we could contend next yr and he may be helpful
would be great to see Beal ( 2nd half of season) and Ballantine too
Get love in a FS too
if we arent gonna be good I want top 5 pick so we can trade to someone needing a qb ( unless their is a real stud edge rusher or OT there)
There is a stud edge rusher, his name is Chase Young. Familiarize yourself with the name
We scored 14, 10, 17, 19 and 19 in those games. Stats are very misleading without full context. Eli was slipping for a few years and 2016 was starting to be noticeable. The Oline had a LOT to do with it and that issue alone may have contributed where we are today- with Eli just seeming to be indecisive and sometimes expecting the sack.. Think of it this way, if Eli of today were in SuperBowl 42, he gets sacked on the miracle pass to Tyree as he would have been looking for the rush to bring him down.
We scored 14, 10, 17, 19 and 19 in those games. Stats are very misleading without full context. Eli was slipping for a few years and 2016 was starting to be noticeable. The Oline had a LOT to do with it and that issue alone may have contributed where we are today- with Eli just seeming to be indecisive and sometimes expecting the sack.. Think of it this way, if Eli of today were in SuperBowl 42, he gets sacked on the miracle pass to Tyree as he would have been looking for the rush to bring him down.
2016, is when his decline started. He just wasnt the same after years with a bad oline. Sometimes I wonder thoug, the Beckham Norman game changed a lot for the state of the franchise. Beckham continued his downward spiral and his connection to Eli wasnt the same after that.
RE: RE: RE: Not trying to raise temperatures here but
That team was carried by luck and a spending spree that propped up a defense for 1 year. It was the first year that I started to question him as a starter. He was a different player in 2015 though. They had the same OL and personnel issues that they did in 2016-2018, but he was able to carry that offense to a Top 10 ranking. Who knows what it was...age, 5+ consecutive years of horrible OLs, bad coaching...but he wasn't the same after that year.
That team was carried by luck and a spending spree that propped up a defense for 1 year. It was the first year that I started to question him as a starter.
Same here. The offense was clearly not as productive, particularly inside red zone scoring points. There were several "wow" moments where OBJ took a slant to the house to gain the lead and the defense held on. But the threat of Eli at QB was dissipating with more conservative play, looking at the rush, inaccurate downfield throws and being less mobile within the pocket. In my view, fairly plainly.
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Eli Manning was asked, Is this the end of Eli Manning, or is this another phase? Mannings response: Im not dying and the seasons not over. Theres a lot to be positive about, a lot to be grateful for. I just have to accept my new role and make the best of it.
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New #Giants starter Daniel Jones: I think I certainly feel good about how far Ive come and my progress since I got here in the spring. Well try to make sure we have the best week we can. But yeah, I feel ready."
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Eli Manning was asked, Is this the end of Eli Manning, or is this another phase? Mannings response: Im not dying and the seasons not over. Theres a lot to be positive about, a lot to be grateful for. I just have to accept my new role and make the best of it.
Reminds me when Strahan, at his retirement presser, cracked about how, with all the glowing words said prior to him taking the podium, he wanted to make sure he wasn't in a box.
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#Giants teammates found out about QB switch at same time and same way you did. Twitter, Instagram, sports TV tickers. No team meeting or yesterday
Is this a fucking joke? That shows me right there that Pat Shurmur doesn't know what he's about. You gather the team and tell them what is going down. Otherwise, everyone feels like a fucking doormat. Terrible.
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Eli Manning on his message to Giants fans: "Be great fans and support the team and whoever is in there. Daniel will do a great job. Hes worked hard and handled the situation well.
The team was off yesterday, as required by the CBA.
Thanks Eric for the clarification; that changes the narrative for sure.
But maybe the team is important enough that Shurmur waits another day to make the announcement rather than when the place is empty. Just doesn't feel right.
The team was off yesterday, as required by the CBA.
Thanks Eric for the clarification; that changes the narrative for sure.
But maybe the team is important enough that Shurmur waits another day to make the announcement rather than when the place is empty. Just doesn't feel right.
Full disclosure: I am no fan of Pat Shurmur.
My first thought was to agree with your initial post. And I still think that it's disrespectful to the players, especially some of the more senior ones. However, I can see that it could be difficult if everyone is scattered and you need to get as early a start as possible with Jones, so putting it off a day would be impractical. Still, I feel like there should have been some way to mass or at least selectively communicate the news to players.
yes i am familiar with him, if he is that good we not be able to draft him
alot of poor teams
Luckily for us there are a lot of teams in the market for a QB that will likely be picking high. Miami is a lock to take a QB 1st overall. The Bengals, Broncos, Jags, Raiders, Panthers, and Saints will all be in the market for a QB as well. Since it is a strong QB draft that might benefit the Giants and allow a player like Young, Jeudy, Thomas, etc to fall to them.
One of a handful of Star players something tells
me we haven't seen the end of Eli quite yet sure
the baton has been passed but it's a long season
hopefully Jones lives up to the challenge and
has a great first game a a starter .
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I talked briefly to Giants RG Kevin Zeitler as he walked through the locker room past the crowd around Eli Manning. Zeitler echoed what Pat Shurmur said earlier today: same issue with his shoulder from last week, but he expects to play Sunday vs. Bucs. #NYGiants
I want to say it's disappointing how this was handled
...it was eventually going to happen, it was just a matter of "when", and there was no satsifactory way to do it.
I think every BBIer would agree on one thing (something very rare indeed): We all dreamed that Eli would have some kind of magical run this season; win a third Super Bowl; and retire on his own terms.
But that was not to be with the 2019 Giants.
One of the more touching things that Phil Simms said is that he wished he (Simms) could have had a demeanor more like Eli's in terms of his overall approach to the game and how he dealt with the countless questions from the press. He said Eli was raised very well.
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I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I believe that didn't let him go for two reasons: (1) They felt Eli gave the team the best chance of winning now; (2) The organization holds Eli in the highest regards and wanted to pay him rather than kicking him to the curb.
2) Jones getting hurt is not a far fetched possibility
2) We are paying him either way
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I think they discussed every possibility with Eli but Eli told them that he wants to remain with the team for now at least.
It would have stung and some people would have still questioned it but releasing Eli in the off-season (either 2/3 years ago or even this past off season) would have been better than having his legacy tarnsihed and him being benched 2 games into a season when he is 0-2 and the team (once again) looks like garbage.
I am absolutely thrilled DJ is getting started and personally have been ready for a QB change for several years but the much bigger issue is the horrific management of this team (starting with Mara) that has led to mistake after mistake - both on and off the field.
we blew it with DG and PS and I have little doubt that DJ and Saquon will be in a new offense with a new coach/GM in a year or 2 and we will be once again hoping we got it right.
Good luck, DJ... my sons and I will be rooting hard for you.
and Happy Trails Eli - you are a NY legend and (I hope) a HOFer
It would have stung and some people would have still questioned it but releasing Eli in the off-season (either 2/3 years ago or even this past off season) would have been better than having his legacy tarnsihed and him being benched 2 games into a season when he is 0-2 and the team (once again) looks like garbage.
I am absolutely thrilled DJ is getting started and personally have been ready for a QB change for several years but the much bigger issue is the horrific management of this team (starting with Mara) that has led to mistake after mistake - both on and off the field.
we blew it with DG and PS and I have little doubt that DJ and Saquon will be in a new offense with a new coach/GM in a year or 2 and we will be once again hoping we got it right.
Good luck, DJ... my sons and I will be rooting hard for you.
and Happy Trails Eli - you are a NY legend and (I hope) a HOFer
Would you have felt better had the Giants benched Eli, say, after 6 games? 8 games? When was the time to make the change?
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
Kind of hard to cut him qhen you would of had to cut him BEFORE you drafted jones
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Most of the replies agreeing with Francesa. Mara spoke immediately after the 2017 benching. Does he do the same today?
Not a fair comparison. In 2017, the coach and GM had just been fired and Mara was the only one left to talk who had participated in the decision to bench Eli.
On that occasion, he was polite enough to say that whether Eli would start the next game was up to the new coach.(Ha ha).
When Shurmur spoke Monday, he said "they're meeting right now." The "they" was obviously Mara and Gettleman, so it's not a secret they were involved.
But, as things stand, what can they politely say publicly except "We support Pat's decision."
And it's not time for eulogies because Eli hasn't been released and no one knows what is going to happen Sunday. Jones could get hurt the first series of downs and Eli could be back out there.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
Yep, I definitely misread your post.
...it was eventually going to happen, it was just a matter of "when", and there was no satsifactory way to do it.
I think every BBIer would agree on one thing (something very rare indeed): We all dreamed that Eli would have some kind of magical run this season; win a third Super Bowl; and retire on his own terms.
You give BBIer's too much credit. Just like all BBIer's wanting Jones to succeed.
But that was not to be with the 2019 Giants.
I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
This team is made up of young guys, guys from other teams and guys with less than 4 years here. I doubt there is this huge divide on who the QB should be. 3 years ago would have been a whole different thing. OBJ threw Manning under the bus and nobody had issues with OBJ about it. Even the Oline is pretty new and probably feels protective of Jones as the now and future starter of the team.
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Most of the replies agreeing with Francesa. Mara spoke immediately after the 2017 benching. Does he do the same today?
Not a fair comparison. In 2017, the coach and GM had just been fired and Mara was the only one left to talk who had participated in the decision to bench Eli.
On that occasion, he was polite enough to say that whether Eli would start the next game was up to the new coach.(Ha ha).
When Shurmur spoke Monday, he said "they're meeting right now." The "they" was obviously Mara and Gettleman, so it's not a secret they were involved.
But, as things stand, what can they politely say publicly except "We support Pat's decision."
And it's not time for eulogies because Eli hasn't been released and no one knows what is going to happen Sunday. Jones could get hurt the first series of downs and Eli could be back out there.
I heard O'Hara on the radio comparing this to 2017 too. I don't get it. This is nothing like 2017. 2017 was the coach throwing shit up in the air to see what landed and then benching Eli to throw shit, widely known shit too, on the field. There was no plan there, just wild desperation. At least we know that this is a real future that is on the field, not some garbage castoff from a garbage team.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
NYG was 11-5 and in the playoffs at the end of 2016, which was less than 3 years ago. You wanted Eli cut at that point?
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you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
NYG was 11-5 and in the playoffs at the end of 2016, which was less than 3 years ago. You wanted Eli cut at that point?
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
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you clearly didn't read or understand what I just wrote.
I wanted Eli gone 2-3 years ago...instead they kept hanging on without a real plan.
Now instead of cutting him in the off-season they bring him out again on a bad team with a #6 pick sitting in waiting. He (predictably) plays worse than average and is booed to the bench.
No, I didn't want him to play 6-8 games. I wanted him to play 0 games in 2019.
does that make sense?
NYG was 11-5 and in the playoffs at the end of 2016, which was less than 3 years ago. You wanted Eli cut at that point?
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
could there have been another driver to that statistical resurgence?
Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
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Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
2011 was clearly Eli's best season.
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Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
Year Comp % Yards TD Int
2016 63.0 4,027 26 16
2015 62.6 4,432 35 14
2014 63.1 4,410 30 14
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons. Now 2017, 2018, and 2019 he dropped off noticably, however I don't think its correct to say he hasn't been good since 2013. Sure the team was bad for most of that, but Eli was doing his part to hold things up.
I can agree with this, for me maybe it was sometime in 2018, but basically the same. Its clear watching those old video's how much hi mobility has reduced, which I think is a big part of it.
Sure I agree, I'm not arguing that. All I am saying is Eli didn't suck since 2013 which seems to be the mantra of some. He put together some solid seasons from 14-16 too, certainly good enough still be a top qb
Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
Year Comp % Yards TD Int
2016 63.0 4,027 26 16
2015 62.6 4,432 35 14
2014 63.1 4,410 30 14
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons.
Eli threw for almost 5000 yards in 2011 with an average yard per attempt over eight.
'16 isn't close to that.
Average yard per attempt is a key stat and it dropped a full yard from '15 to '16.
And the most pertinent stat for a QB is to score points. 310 points in '16 was crap, 26th out of 32.
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Sterling Shepard (concussion) practicing in a non-contact jersey. Making progress. Cody Latimer (concussion), Kevin Zeitler (shoulder) and Grant Haley (?) not practicing. Darius Slayton (hamstring) and Garrett Dickerson (quad) participated in the portion open to media.
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Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
Year Comp % Yards TD Int
2016 63.0 4,027 26 16
2015 62.6 4,432 35 14
2014 63.1 4,410 30 14
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons.
Eli threw for almost 5000 yards in 2011 with an average yard per attempt over eight.
'16 isn't close to that.
Average yard per attempt is a key stat and it dropped a full yard from '15 to '16.
And the most pertinent stat for a QB is to score points. 310 points in '16 was crap, 26th out of 32.
The yards per attempt had everything to do with McAdoo's new offensive scheme. Yes points went down, but the OL sucked for most of that (the OL was horrendous). Again as I have said, Eli was better in the SB years. The point I am making is he could still play at a high level until 2017. He hasn't sucked since 2013.
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Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
Year Comp % Yards TD Int
2016 63.0 4,027 26 16
2015 62.6 4,432 35 14
2014 63.1 4,410 30 14
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons.
Eli threw for almost 5000 yards in 2011 with an average yard per attempt over eight.
'16 isn't close to that.
Average yard per attempt is a key stat and it dropped a full yard from '15 to '16.
And the most pertinent stat for a QB is to score points. 310 points in '16 was crap, 26th out of 32.
Hiring Mcadoo has to be the worst decision in all of football. The offense started sucking once he became HC.
If there was a decent return I would consider trading jackrabbit too
But on the fence with that. I actually think we could contend next yr and he may be helpful
would be great to see Beal ( 2nd half of season) and Ballantine too
Get love in a FS too
if we arent gonna be good I want top 5 pick so we can trade to someone needing a qb ( unless their is a real stud edge rusher or OT there)
While we, as Giants fans, are not used to our QB getting hurt, its fairly commonplace for a rookie to get banged up.
May feel like salt in the wound, but might as well get some security for the monies he will be paid this year...
While we, as Giants fans, are not used to our QB getting hurt, its fairly commonplace for a rookie to get banged up.
May feel like salt in the wound, but might as well get some security for the monies he will be paid this year...
So jones is likely to get hurt?
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Haley dealing with an illness. Was mostly standing and watching.
Also of note: Rookie WR Darius Slayton (hamstring) was participating. He told me he was doing more at the end of last week and was getting close. #giants
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I also don't know where locker room allegiances lie, but letting Eli go would send a definitive message that DJ is the guy and there is no questioning the coaching staff or going back. It would also eliminate this situation as a distraction.
Just a shame that in retrospect they didn't just let him go before the draft or even before preseason.
I don't get the sense that Eli wants that. If he did, we probably wouldn't have heard from his camp yesterday that he has no intention of waiving his NTC.
I'd have a hard time believing that's simply because he would want to collect his money from the Giants and get new money from another team - if that was his motivation, it would be incongruent from the man who has handled his whole career with class. So if he's not willing to waive his NTC to go to another team, and if he's not outright retiring right now, it's because on some level, he wants to see this through and finish this season with the Giants. If that's the case, why would the Giants release him?
Quite honestly, there's probably an element of not wanting to compound an already humbling experience by joining another team midseason and having to learn their offense while being expected to be some sort of savior (since the only teams that would presumably be interested are contenders who need a QB). Or worse, not being asked to be a savior at all (I'm not saying there wouldn't be a market for him, but he may just not want to risk the chance that there isn't).
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Its amazing how people ignore the fact that Eli's two best statistical seasons were 2015 and 2016. Sure the team suck, at least on of those years, but it wasn't him not performing.
Not true. Eli's stats dipped noticeably from '15 to '16 and team points scored dropped more than a hundred from 420 to 310.
'16 was not one of Eli's top two stat years, far from it.
Not sure what you are talking about, here is 2014, 2015, 2016,.
Year Comp % Yards TD Int
2016 63.0 4,027 26 16
2015 62.6 4,432 35 14
2014 63.1 4,410 30 14
I'm not being argumentative or expressing an opinion, these are just the facts. 2014-2016 were his best statswise seasons. Now 2017, 2018, and 2019 he dropped off noticably, however I don't think its correct to say he hasn't been good since 2013. Sure the team was bad for most of that, but Eli was doing his part to hold things up.
It's pretty clear there was a drop-off from 2015 to 2016.
I think you just got the years wrong when you said 2015-16 and probably meant 2014-15. It's ok to walk it back. Probably better than planting your flag in the ground to claim that 2016 was one of Eli's best seasons. That doesn't exactly paint Eli's career very well if that qualifies as one of his best years.
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there is a fairly good chance we will need Eli Manning to come back onto the field at some point this season.
While we, as Giants fans, are not used to our QB getting hurt, its fairly commonplace for a rookie to get banged up.
May feel like salt in the wound, but might as well get some security for the monies he will be paid this year...
So jones is likely to get hurt?
By definition, he's infinitely more likely to get hurt than Eli wound up being.
If there was a decent return I would consider trading jackrabbit too
But on the fence with that. I actually think we could contend next yr and he may be helpful
would be great to see Beal ( 2nd half of season) and Ballantine too
Get love in a FS too
if we arent gonna be good I want top 5 pick so we can trade to someone needing a qb ( unless their is a real stud edge rusher or OT there)
There is a stud edge rusher, his name is Chase Young. Familiarize yourself with the name
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that I can watch the interviews?
Giants.com.
Any idea on when this should start? So far still nothing on the Giants website.
Last 5 games of the 2016 regular season:
24-39-195 2 tds 2 ints
17-28-193 1 Td 1 int
20-28-201 2 Tds
38-63- 356 1 td 3 Ints (Eagles)
17-27-180
We scored 14, 10, 17, 19 and 19 in those games. Stats are very misleading without full context. Eli was slipping for a few years and 2016 was starting to be noticeable. The Oline had a LOT to do with it and that issue alone may have contributed where we are today- with Eli just seeming to be indecisive and sometimes expecting the sack.. Think of it this way, if Eli of today were in SuperBowl 42, he gets sacked on the miracle pass to Tyree as he would have been looking for the rush to bring him down.
Last 5 games of the 2016 regular season:
24-39-195 2 tds 2 ints
17-28-193 1 Td 1 int
20-28-201 2 Tds
38-63- 356 1 td 3 Ints (Eagles)
17-27-180
We scored 14, 10, 17, 19 and 19 in those games. Stats are very misleading without full context. Eli was slipping for a few years and 2016 was starting to be noticeable. The Oline had a LOT to do with it and that issue alone may have contributed where we are today- with Eli just seeming to be indecisive and sometimes expecting the sack.. Think of it this way, if Eli of today were in SuperBowl 42, he gets sacked on the miracle pass to Tyree as he would have been looking for the rush to bring him down.
2016, is when his decline started. He just wasnt the same after years with a bad oline. Sometimes I wonder thoug, the Beckham Norman game changed a lot for the state of the franchise. Beckham continued his downward spiral and his connection to Eli wasnt the same after that.
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there is a fairly good chance we will need Eli Manning to come back onto the field at some point this season.
While we, as Giants fans, are not used to our QB getting hurt, its fairly commonplace for a rookie to get banged up.
May feel like salt in the wound, but might as well get some security for the monies he will be paid this year...
So jones is likely to get hurt?
By definition, he's infinitely more likely to get hurt than Eli wound up being.
Yes.
I guess we can always activate Tanney as needed.
Same here. The offense was clearly not as productive, particularly inside red zone scoring points. There were several "wow" moments where OBJ took a slant to the house to gain the lead and the defense held on. But the threat of Eli at QB was dissipating with more conservative play, looking at the rush, inaccurate downfield throws and being less mobile within the pocket. In my view, fairly plainly.
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Eli Manning was asked, Is this the end of Eli Manning, or is this another phase? Mannings response: Im not dying and the seasons not over. Theres a lot to be positive about, a lot to be grateful for. I just have to accept my new role and make the best of it.
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With a smirk, Eli Mannings advice for Daniel Jones: Throw it to the guy wearing the same jersey you are.
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Eli Manning says he will try not to be a distraction.
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Eli Manning said his focus right now is how to run the scout team #giants
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Eli Manning: Theres no other option than just to handle it and support my teammates and support the Giants.
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Shurmur just spoke for about 14 minutes. Not much insight other than he thinks Jones gives them a better chance to win than Eli.
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Eli Manning says he still wouldve come back if he knew it was a 2 game trial #giants
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New #Giants starter Daniel Jones: I think I certainly feel good about how far Ive come and my progress since I got here in the spring. Well try to make sure we have the best week we can. But yeah, I feel ready."
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Daniel Jones: As anyone would expect, Eli was nothing but supportive of me. ... I cant say enough about who he is as a person and teammate.
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#Giants teammates found out about QB switch at same time and same way you did. Twitter, Instagram, sports TV tickers. No team meeting or yesterday
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Eli Manning was asked, Is this the end of Eli Manning, or is this another phase? Mannings response: Im not dying and the seasons not over. Theres a lot to be positive about, a lot to be grateful for. I just have to accept my new role and make the best of it.
Reminds me when Strahan, at his retirement presser, cracked about how, with all the glowing words said prior to him taking the podium, he wanted to make sure he wasn't in a box.
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Daniel Jones: To Giants fans, I will compete as hard as I possibly can.
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#Giants teammates found out about QB switch at same time and same way you did. Twitter, Instagram, sports TV tickers. No team meeting or yesterday
Is this a fucking joke? That shows me right there that Pat Shurmur doesn't know what he's about. You gather the team and tell them what is going down. Otherwise, everyone feels like a fucking doormat. Terrible.
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With a smirk, Eli Mannings advice for Daniel Jones: Throw it to the guy wearing the same jersey you are.
Not bad advice, considering that was a problem for Eli in his early years
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It appears John Mara and Dave Gettleman both are not available to the media. #giants
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Eli Manning on his message to Giants fans: "Be great fans and support the team and whoever is in there. Daniel will do a great job. Hes worked hard and handled the situation well.
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It appears John Mara and Dave Gettleman both are not available to the media. #giants
I take back calling Shurmur a coward on Sunday. We all know who the real ones are now
Thanks Eric for the clarification; that changes the narrative for sure.
But maybe the team is important enough that Shurmur waits another day to make the announcement rather than when the place is empty. Just doesn't feel right.
Full disclosure: I am no fan of Pat Shurmur.
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The team was off yesterday, as required by the CBA.
Thanks Eric for the clarification; that changes the narrative for sure.
But maybe the team is important enough that Shurmur waits another day to make the announcement rather than when the place is empty. Just doesn't feel right.
Full disclosure: I am no fan of Pat Shurmur.
My first thought was to agree with your initial post. And I still think that it's disrespectful to the players, especially some of the more senior ones. However, I can see that it could be difficult if everyone is scattered and you need to get as early a start as possible with Jones, so putting it off a day would be impractical. Still, I feel like there should have been some way to mass or at least selectively communicate the news to players.
alot of poor teams
alot of poor teams
Were a poor team too. Who knows how its going to shake out
alot of poor teams
Luckily for us there are a lot of teams in the market for a QB that will likely be picking high. Miami is a lock to take a QB 1st overall. The Bengals, Broncos, Jags, Raiders, Panthers, and Saints will all be in the market for a QB as well. Since it is a strong QB draft that might benefit the Giants and allow a player like Young, Jeudy, Thomas, etc to fall to them.
we have multiple needs still
may make sense LT
we have multiple needs still
may make sense LT
As of today I am hoping for one of the following: ER Chase Young, WR Jerry Jeudy, OT Andrew Thomas, WR Henry Ruggs III, OT Walker Little.
me we haven't seen the end of Eli quite yet sure
the baton has been passed but it's a long season
hopefully Jones lives up to the challenge and
has a great first game a a starter .
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I talked briefly to Giants RG Kevin Zeitler as he walked through the locker room past the crowd around Eli Manning. Zeitler echoed what Pat Shurmur said earlier today: same issue with his shoulder from last week, but he expects to play Sunday vs. Bucs. #NYGiants
Nobody in that building should have found out about the change from the internet. This is complete clownery.