Francesa saying it was classless for there to be no quote from Mara/Gettleman with regards to Eli benching. Insensitive/disrespectful.
It’s easy for fans to pound these guys, but we should all acknowledge how tough it is to move on from franchise legends. So, to recap:
1. How dare the Giants bench Eli for Geno in 2017 at 2-9.
2. How could the Giants bring back Eli in 2018 & not draft a QB?
3. Giants are clueless for spending $23M on Eli for 2019.
4. How dare Mara/DG not say anything on the day Jones is named the starter. Show some respect!
This could have definitely been handled better, but people were going to bitch no matter what when it came to this.
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You ain't kidding on that one. Can you imagine if that cloud was still hovering over?
I am kind of surprised that we haven't seen a statement from Mara on this though. We all know how much Eli means to him and this franchise.
technically it was Eli's call - So pat should be thanking Eli
This discounts the fact that without that outrage McAdoo is probably still the coach.
And I'm not saying he should have been...
Nearly every talking head was hammering them for hanging on to Eli to begin the season.
And now half of them do the about face to shit on the org for moving on to the future guy.
Doesn't matter what the actual decisions are in the moment, we should all expect them to be shit all over at every turn until they show some trajectory toward a positive state of things.
The way the Giants handled this back in 2017 was terrible. And I don't think Mara ever understood that it was not that Eli was benched that year, but the WAY he was benched and WHO he was benched for. He never understood the reasons for the backlash.
Both Reese and Mara were nowhere to be seen the day it happened (there was media access on THAT day... Mara was supposedly out of town, but you have to adjust).
At one time he was a respected voice in NY sports media, but he's a freaking idiot now. Teams should give interviews, just to someone less of a blithering douche.
The way the Giants handled this back in 2017 was terrible. And I don't think Mara ever understood that it was not that Eli was benched that year, but the WAY he was benched and WHO he was benched for. He never understood the reasons for the backlash.
Both Reese and Mara were nowhere to be seen the day it happened (there was media access on THAT day... Mara was supposedly out of town, but you have to adjust).
Yes, completely out of touch. Shouldve learned from that debacle. Apparently he didnt.
For the record, Geno didnt look any worse than Eli.
At one time he was a respected voice in NY sports media, but he's a freaking idiot now. Teams should give interviews, just to someone less of a blithering douche.
I still think there is more to the story of Eli cancelling his annual spot on Francesca's show. I think Eli knew this was coming this year and didn't want to deal with it.
So, at 2-9 what is the harm in letting a former 2nd round pick who is still young start a game?
I disagree completely. Instead of a podium event, they had a swarm of media surround Eli at his locker with teammates laughing in the background. Eli had tears in his eyes.
It was a PR fail.
PR is bullshit.
The Giants instead play Jones and now it is Manning is not the reason they lost, Manning can't play defense, look at the scrub WR's, Shurmur and Gettleman are clueless....
I find it pathetic..
Jones HAS to play.,. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, saw Jones foresaw Jones's preseason performance. In fact, the narrative before camp and preseason was how the Giants fell flat on their faces at the draft, passing on pass rusher Allen, Passing on Haskins at QB for a QB that was projected to go way way lower! But, Jones's play showed he is ready to play. Doesn't mean he will be perfect but can you honestly say that Jones will make mistakes that Eli doesn't still, after 16 years, make? Jones is our guy going forward. Eli does not deserve and special treatment, as his pay is his treatment. For all you folks crying about deserving better, the Giants are eating up Cap space and giving guaranteed money to Eli to now be the backup the rest of the year. They could have cut him in the off season and more than likely his career would have been done!
Give Jones a chance to play! He is Shurmur's guy!
Not saying it is the SAME exactly but:
Bill B. had records of 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5 and 5-11 in Cleveland.That is a losing record. Then in NE he goes 5-11 in year 1. GOes 11-5 and wins SB in year 2. BUT, he started out 0-2 with losses to the Bengals and the Jets with long time starting QB Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe gets injured late against the Jets and Tom Brady takes over. The Pats actually started 1-3 that year and won game 5 in OT... A loss in that game keeps Pats out of playoffs and no run that year and who knows after that.
My point is, it is way to early to tell about Shurmur as a HC with the Giants, too soon to pass negative judgment on JOnes as the starting QB BUT, Eli has had his time here. We know what he is now, what he used to be and we know things are not going to change or get better with Eli. This is NOW Pat Shurmur's team. This is now Jones's time!
I'm Eli wasn't just some schmo of a qb, he was face of your franchise for 16 seasons. Show a little respect.
But i guess it'll go the way when eli was benched from Mara. Gettlemen? No clue though..
I mean, Eli wasn't just some schmo of a qb, he was face of your franchise for 16 seasons. Show a little respect.
But i guess it'll go the way when eli was benched from Mara. Gettlemen? No clue though..
Well, we are going to find out soon enough Greg.
They need to fix the structure of how they run the team. I'm pretty sure if Shurmur is making this move 2 weeks in , he wanted to make this move at the start of the season.
If that is directed at my comment I will tell you how you are wrong in your assessment of my statement. I said, nobody foresaw how he performed- meaning they expected him to need a long learning curve. Jones played with the first team and shutdown many arguments against his ability (don't care preseason or otherwise as these are not game specific perceived negatives):
1) Playing against top tier talent
2) Arm strength
3) Being able to read defenses that are more complex
4) Time from read to reaction
These possible negatives were shot down by his play in the preseason. He showed more than enough arm strength. He showed quick reaction. He showed he knew where to go with the ball.
You can't fucking tell me that Eli should be playing knowing that Jones is the guy going forward. Rip the fucking bandaid off and stop living in the past. We have sucked for 6 plus years and we have had 1 main starting QB, 2 GM's, 3 HC's during that time. Not blaming the QB alone but at some point you have to realize that what you are getting does not equal the rose colored glasses of 07 and 11 that you are wearing.
On the flip side, I seem to recall DeShawn Watson being just brutally bad in preseason. Casting some early doubts. But then the lights came on and he just turned into Superman.
Indeed. Preseason is not an indicator of future success or failure.
Yes, a few bad turnovers but played ok. Mobility definitely helped.
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How did it flow? Did Gettleman and Shurmur pow-wow first? When was it decided? Did they then walk to Mara's office sweating profusely wondering what the reaction would be? What was Mara's reaction? Did DG and PR have an ace-in-the-hole with the idea that preserving Eli's .500 record was critical? Did Mara call Accorsi for his advice? Who met with Eli?
Because I believe there is no way on this big blue beautiful round marble called Earth that Shurmur made this decision in a vacuum.
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granting Francesa interviews, it would take a lot of wind out of his sails.
At one time he was a respected voice in NY sports media, but he's a freaking idiot now. Teams should give interviews, just to someone less of a blithering douche.
I still think there is more to the story of Eli cancelling his annual spot on Francesca's show. I think Eli knew this was coming this year and didn't want to deal with it.
I mean that much is obvious when it happened at the time.
Who really knows what the actual process was to getting to this point.....we are all speculating myself included.
I do sincerely believe there have been mini/major power struggles starting around 2012 with quite a few people in the organization.
The one thing I do fail certain about who ever influenced and was wrong or right there remains one constant.
The Giants simply have not acquired enough talent that goes back a very long time which has led to all this pointing fingers.
How did it flow? Did Gettleman and Shurmur pow-wow first? When was it decided? Did they then walk to Mara's office sweating profusely wondering what the reaction would be? What was Mara's reaction? Did DG and PR have an ace-in-the-hole with the idea that preserving Eli's .500 record was critical? Did Mara call Accorsi for his advice? Who met with Eli?
Because I believe there is no way on this big blue beautiful round marble called Earth that Shurmur made this decision in a vacuum.
I would love to find this information out, but I think we have a GM that is finally able to circle the wagons and prevent any leaks. I doubt we find out how this went down anytime soon unlike the last time. I'm sure Eli will leak his version out there, but I doubt we get the whole story.
The way the Giants handled this back in 2017 was terrible. And I don't think Mara ever understood that it was not that Eli was benched that year, but the WAY he was benched and WHO he was benched for. He never understood the reasons for the backlash.
Both Reese and Mara were nowhere to be seen the day it happened (there was media access on THAT day... Mara was supposedly out of town, but you have to adjust).
If it wasn't Geno Friggin Smith, I don't think the uproar from the fans would have been so vocal....maybe if McAdoo had a clue about some football history in NYC, that would have helped. By not starting Webb at that point was a bit ludicrous, doesn't matter what Webb has done since.
There was an obvious miscommunication between the HC, GM,
and obviously Mara in how that was all handled.
Mara was the one who told the HC, 'to get a look at the
younger QB's....The fanbase didn't expect that to be Geno, that's for damn sure.
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has been pointed out by others on this site, in a way, McAdoo did Shurmur a huge favor by ending the streak. He took that off of the table.
This discounts the fact that without that outrage McAdoo is probably still the coach.
And I'm not saying he should have been...
So thank god for the outrage then
I am not sure about that, every football fan in NYC knew
who Geno Smith was, they didn't know a damn thing about
Davis Webb. They had five games at the end of that season to find out. You can't look back in hindsight now.
I am saying at that point, nobody really knew about Webb.
The uproar wouldn't have been as bad IMO.
The uproar for breaking the streak over that would have been tremendous.
The uproar for breaking the streak over that would have been tremendous.
We know that now (as did the coaching staff that was fired), but we didn't believe that as fans. And perception matters. Perception is what influenced Mara.
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Eli would have been put back in by the 2nd quarter.
The uproar for breaking the streak over that would have been tremendous.
We know that now (as did the coaching staff that was fired), but we didn't believe that as fans. And perception matters. Perception is what influenced Mara.
Optics matter, and sitting Eli for Geno was the worst possible look
The uproar for breaking the streak over that would have been tremendous.
because Eli has looked so good in recent years huh?
The uproar had more to do with WHO replaced him,
than the actual streak itself. Give Webb the five games
to show something or not. Then the new regime just cuts him, so they drafted Lauletta, that's right,
he's gone too...the mismanagement around here, oh my!
You are really missing the point, so I am done here.
Whatever, its way in the past and has no bearing to what is going on now.