Daniel Jones athleticism...#2 SPARQ score among 2019 QBs

There's no shame in finishing 2nd to Kyler Murray.

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from being a non athlete. He clearly had knee valgus issues and an ACL was only a matter of if not when. Teddy Bridgewater had the same issue.

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In comment 14586291 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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It's a fancy way of saying he's athletic for a quarterback.

rushers.

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from being a non athlete. He clearly had knee valgus issues and an ACL was only a matter of if not when. Teddy Bridgewater had the same issue.

RG3 as well, terrible knee valgus.

I really think the FMS should be a part of the combine, or at least administered by teams during private workouts.

means he will be able to move around in the pocket and get more time.

I don't necessarily want a running QB but I definitely want someone that consistently gives his receivers more time. DJ could be that guy. He's big and quick which is great. CLEARLY needs to work on his awareness though

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SPARQ = Speed, Power, Agility, Reaction and Quickness

The SPARQ score is an aggregate score that combines a players weight with how well they do in various athletic drills (40, ten-yard split, short shuttle, 3-cone, bench, vertical jump, broad jump).
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DJ career rushing at DUKE:

ATTEMPTS: 406

YARDS: 1323

AVG: 3.3 yards per

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DJ career rushing at DUKE: ATTEMPTS: 406 YARDS: 1323 AVG: 3.3 yards per

Yep, I think people expecting him to be a running qb are going to be disappointed.

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DJ career rushing at DUKE: ATTEMPTS: 406 YARDS: 1323 AVG: 3.3 yards per

That includes sacks. They only have 2017 and 2018 stats, but if you exclude the sacks, he ran for 1210 yards on 212 carries for 5.7 yards per.

For reference, Lamar Jackson averaged 4.7 y/a last season. Russell Wilson's best season in the last 5 was 6.17 y/a in 2017. And overall, only 23 times in the last 5 years has a QB averaged >5.7 y/a.

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In comment 14586362 GiantEgo said: Quote: DJ career rushing at DUKE: ATTEMPTS: 406 YARDS: 1323 AVG: 3.3 yards per Yep, I think people expecting him to be a running qb are going to be disappointed.

Are people expecting him to be Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson? I think we see read option maybe 1 or 2 times a game to keep defenses honest, but not really expecting him to run all that much.

Their ability as a passer far exceeds any value as a runner. That being said having mobility from the quarterback position is a nice commodity to have, and allows for some cheap yards on bootlegs if thighs are covered downfield. It also brings an element of eluding pass rush to find receivers which is actually more valuable.

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DJ career rushing at DUKE: ATTEMPTS: 406 YARDS: 1323 AVG: 3.3 yards per

I might be incorrect on this, but last I checked, NCAA stats include sacks in the rushing totals for QBs. DJ was sacked 84 times over three seasons, for -519 yards. If you remove those from his stats, his rushing stats would be 322 attempts for 1842 yards, an average of 5.7 yards per carry.

and ends up gaining 3.3 yards, it will be a major upgrade from what we are used to seeing when a Giant QB is under pressure

Rushing yards, so the 3.3 can tossed out the window or just bound to the phrase “at DUKE”.

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A players level of athleticism relative to their height and weight.

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In comment 14586362 GiantEgo said: Quote: DJ career rushing at DUKE: ATTEMPTS: 406 YARDS: 1323 AVG: 3.3 yards per I might be incorrect on this, but last I checked, NCAA stats include sacks in the rushing totals for QBs. DJ was sacked 84 times over three seasons, for -519 yards. If you remove those from his stats, his rushing stats would be 322 attempts for 1842 yards, an average of 5.7 yards per carry.

That’s the first I’ve seen the number of times he was sacked at Duke and honestly that’s unbelievable, it was actually 85 times. 29, 28 and 28.

durable too. We've been spoiled by Eli being there for every game and basically being able to ignore the backup position. It will be nice to have a real athlete back there but we also need him to not wear his body out taking shots when he can avoid them. So, I'm excited for some mobility, but it also brings a bit of risk.

looks like an above-average athlete but I'm kind of surprised how poorly he protects his body given how many shots he took at Duke. He MUST clean that up/follow Eli's lead.

In his breakout redshirt freshman year, then his sophomore year when he supposedly regressed and turned the ball over 22 times he was sacked 29 times. Tua was sacked 13 times last year at Bama. 28 sacks was the norm for Jones at Duke, just unreal.

One of his negatives in college was running with too much bravado and taking too many hits when sliding or going out of bounds were options, not sure those were the types of plays he was injured on but you can’t make an nfl career at quarterback doing those things with any regularity.

doesn't mean he'll be fragile and miss games. For one, Eli is about as immobile (outside of the pocket) as you can get and has averaged 1.8 y/a in his career which is about the same as Brady, but half what his brother did in Indy.

Guys like Matt Ryan (2 missed games in 11+ seasons), Matt Stafford (8+ seasons without missing a game) are a step above Eli mobility wise and have enough "speed" to beat you if you completely lose contain. Rodgers is probably also in this group though he has a little more foot speed then those two. Outside of 2013 (7 games missed) and 2017 (9 games missed), he's only missed 2 games over 12 seasons.

Then there's guys like Prescott/Wilson (neither has missed a game) that aren't "running" QBs (a la Jackson/Vick/Allen) but may get 1-2 running plays called for them a game, especially if the D is overly aggressive, and have enough speed to pick up big chunks of yardage.

My guess is ultimately Jones will fall somewhere between Ryan and Prescott on the spectrum. The occasional designed run to take advantage of an aggressive D, but otherwise a pocket passer that can scramble.

has quite a few times said he felt the QB having the ability to run a couple times a game prolonging drives is a very important trait.

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durable too. We've been spoiled by Eli being there for every game and basically being able to ignore the backup position. It will be nice to have a real athlete back there but we also need him to not wear his body out taking shots when he can avoid them. So, I'm excited for some mobility, but it also brings a bit of risk.

. This is how ELI may get back on the field sooner rather than later. DJ is tough and not afraid to run with with the ball to get open or make a play. Well we have an iron man backing him up now. Not a bad spot for us.

He’s explosive. Running and movement from the position is now a plus. Him and Barkley running the options will be a weapon.

It's intended to elude the defense and extend plays. If a mobile QB is not able to find receivers and throw accurately after moving to elude the defense, the mobility will only result in the QB eventually being tackled downfield or at a minimum, outside the pocket. Eventually, the tackles pile up and the QB's health is endangered.

Really hope he turns out to be gold. Lord knows we need a great QB to cover up our many flaws.

The amazing thing is that when you really look at his measurables and his overall scouting reports, there weren't many negatives that scouts could really put a finger on. The only knock on him was really that he didn't put up very good numbers, and the tape will tell you that has almost everything to do with his supporting cast (from the o-line all the way up to the WRs and RBs). Sure he doesn't have Mahomes-level arm-strength, but he certainly has plenty of arm. He doesn't have Brees-level consistent accuracy, but he is plenty accurate and shows terrific ball-placement. Everything about the guy is NFL-caliber which is the reason I started to see why Gettleman seemed to think he was the safest bet of all out of the last 2 drafts (in terms of QBs).

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Strengths:
Above-average accuracy
Can throw a fastball into tight windows
Good height
Able to loft in touch passes
Throws a very catchable ball
Stands tall in the pocket despite the rush
Good field vision at times
Moves his eyes
Works through his progression
Can throw receivers open
Can push the ball downfield
Throws a good deep ball
Has more mobility than many realize
Can buy time or pick up yards on the ground
Good size for a NFL starting quarterback
Intelligent
Shows the ability to read defenses
Knows where his receivers are on each play
Upside


Weaknesses:
Will throw into coverage that he shouldn't
Needs to improve timing
Holds the ball too long
Could shorten his delivery
Broken collarbone in 2018 "

That list of Weaknesses looks pretty short to me and they all seem like fixes that come with time, experience, and practice in the NFL (and by all accounts his work-ethic is not lacking). Let's also remember that "throws into coverages he shouldn't" has a lot to do with the fact his team was always playing from behind and his receivers could never get open, and "Holds the ball too long" is likely due to him being sacked so many times which again was mostly the fault of his offensive line. Having no time to throw and no receivers ever open (and receivers who can't catch the ball when they are open) can quite understandably make a QB look bad.
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In comment 14586810 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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has quite a few times said he felt the QB having the ability to run a couple times a game prolonging drives is a very important trait.

Agree. The defense has to consider a quick QB run now.