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Lawrence 3rd highest grades 1st rounder through 2 weeks

BSIMatt : 9/18/2019 4:29 pm
2019 overall grade: 75.6
Dexter Lawrence had a mightily impressive performance in Week 2 against the Buffalo Bills and dominated in almost every facet of play. He earned 65.0-plus grades as a run defender (78.0), tackler (70.0) and pass-rusher (65.3) after he recorded three hurries and three defensive stops on his 34 defensive snaps. He ended the week with an 82.2 overall grade that ranked 11th among 111 interior defenders who saw meaningful action this Sunday.
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That can't be true.  
Mr. Bungle : 9/18/2019 4:30 pm : link
I've read from very astute experts that he's a non-factor.
Fake news  
Eli Wilson : 9/18/2019 4:31 pm : link
Too many people on here said he sucks and is a bust. Who would you rather believe?
No  
DanMetroMan : 9/18/2019 4:31 pm : link
idea how he fell to 17. As a casual NCAA fan Lawrence was clearly a pretty special talent the few times I saw him play.
No offense Matt, but If this  
Big Blue '56 : 9/18/2019 4:33 pm : link
is PFF grades Iíll pass
PFF Rules!  
Stan in LA : 9/18/2019 4:33 pm : link
!
So we are liking PFF  
bradshaw44 : 9/18/2019 4:35 pm : link
today? Ok, cool. Let me know when to hate them again!

No taking a shot at the OP. Just the irony.
I'm still glad we got this kid  
Jay on the Island : 9/18/2019 4:40 pm : link
It usually takes DT's longer to develop than most positions. I expect Lawrence to be a dominant force in a couple of years.
As one who questioned his performance  
GiantEgo : 9/18/2019 4:41 pm : link
I'm happy to be wrong!
RE: No offense Matt, but If this  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/18/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14586688 Big Blue '56 said:
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is PFF grades Iíll pass


PFF is a joke. But then again so are the people slamming the pick. Kids a stud.
now  
Justlurking : 9/18/2019 4:43 pm : link
...do Baker...
but wait  
Payasdaddy : 9/18/2019 4:43 pm : link
he is a semi bust and baker a total bust!
Sy'56 has been rating him positively  
islander1 : 9/18/2019 4:44 pm : link
so I mean, it's not just PFF.
RE: RE: No offense Matt, but If this  
Big Blue '56 : 9/18/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14586714 LauderdaleMatty said:
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is PFF grades Iíll pass



PFF is a joke. But then again so are the people slamming the pick. Kids a stud.


Love this kid
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arcarsenal : 9/18/2019 4:52 pm : link
I honestly don't give a shit about PFF, but I thought he was definitely more of a factor against the Bills. Lawrence is going to be the goods.
Loved  
AcidTest : 9/18/2019 5:18 pm : link
the pick. People complaining about him don't know what they're watching, or what the role of a DE is in a 3-4.
PFF is trash  
darren in pdx : 9/18/2019 5:22 pm : link
But the people calling Lawrence ineffective or a bust donít know what theyíre looking at when all they care about is how many sacks a player has.
everyone  
broadbandz : 9/18/2019 5:41 pm : link
knew he would be good against the run. Which isnt worth much in todays nfl. It wasnt a wasted opportunity to get a pass rusher at 17. Which would actually lead to winning games.
QWill, DLawII, and Hockenson  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/18/2019 5:44 pm : link
My 3 blue chip prospects. Come on Baldy do a twitter thingy on DLawII.
RE: everyone  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/18/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14586797 broadbandz said:
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knew he would be good against the run. Which isnt worth much in todays nfl. It wasnt a wasted opportunity to get a pass rusher at 17. Which would actually lead to winning games.


And the only pass rusher that went even close to our pick was Montez Sweat who had a major medical flag and hasn't performed on the field. You can't just say hey we need a pass rusher draft pass rushers. That is how you end up with Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers.
He's fine  
HoustonGiant : 9/18/2019 5:49 pm : link
BJ Hill is a nightmare
RE: everyone  
BSIMatt : 9/18/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14586797 broadbandz said:
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knew he would be good against the run. Which isnt worth much in todays nfl. It wasnt a wasted opportunity to get a pass rusher at 17. Which would actually lead to winning games.


Swap Lawrence with any defensive player in the draft and we still arenít winning those first two games. There was no player in the draft good enough that alone would be the difference in winning or losing either of the first two contests. Also 3 pressures in 15 pass rush opportunities is a 20 percent pressure rate, which is elite...thatís the rate Donald pressures at.
RE: He's fine  
BSIMatt : 9/18/2019 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14586807 HoustonGiant said:
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BJ Hill is a nightmare


What the hell are you talking about, Hill is a good player. Our best players on defense right now are Tomlinson, Hill and Lawrence.
Have to admit I paid no attention to him  
arniefez : 9/18/2019 5:59 pm : link
and I didn't notice him doing anything disruptive. But the defense did get more pressure (they couldn't get less) so hopefully he helped. The two games have been so sad there's no way I'd rewatch them. God bless you guys that can handle it. At least this gives some hope for the future and I'll pay more attention to him this week.
We have a lot of arm chair GMs here...  
EricJ : 9/18/2019 6:01 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: No offense Matt, but If this  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/18/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14586729 Big Blue '56 said:
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is PFF grades Iíll pass



PFF is a joke. But then again so are the people slamming the pick. Kids a stud.



Love this kid


One of my good friends from work is a big Clemson Booster. Gave this kid good marks on him all around.et him a couple of times. After the DL the D seems devoid of difference makers. To be 3-4 or a 4-3 is irrelevant. They need a stud DE or OLB pass rusher.

All I want is Betcher gone. Chase Young might be there for the Giants and heís a 4-3 end. I donít trust Betcher at all heís a scheme first coach and that kid would be a huge addition w the right coach. I donít think we have that.
I don't know why people think a NT.....  
nzyme : 9/18/2019 6:14 pm : link
should be putting up sacks that rival edge rushers. He's a NT/DT people!! If you want to get an idea of his work subscribe to the NFL gamepass and watch the coaches' tape!!!
How many defensive stops do we have?  
WillieYoung : 9/18/2019 7:53 pm : link
How many QB hurries do we have. How effective is our run defense? Oliver flashed last game, Lawrence didn't. But I agree that judging a DT on two games performance is stupid and I did that.
He made my all-rookie team in week 2  
Sy'56 : 9/18/2019 8:10 pm : link
He quietly was very good on Sunday
Hope this is true,  
JerrysKids : 9/18/2019 8:12 pm : link
I have not seen much out of any player on defense so to be honest this is good news.
RE: I don't know why people think a NT.....  
CromartiesKid21 : 9/18/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14586826 nzyme said:
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should be putting up sacks that rival edge rushers. He's a NT/DT people!! If you want to get an idea of his work subscribe to the NFL gamepass and watch the coaches' tape!!!


The ones that do like Aaron Donald and Chris Jones last year definitely do get noticed.
Generating pocket pressure in the NFL from up the middle is the biggest asset to win big games; no QB is safe or comfortable
If he played so well, why did he get only 34 snaps?  
Ivan15 : 9/18/2019 8:25 pm : link
I thought he was going to okay the node and DT
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uther99 : 9/18/2019 8:27 pm : link
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should be putting up sacks that rival edge rushers. He's a NT/DT people!! If you want to get an idea of his work subscribe to the NFL gamepass and watch the coaches' tape!!!



The ones that do like Aaron Donald and Chris Jones last year definitely do get noticed.
Generating pocket pressure in the NFL from up the middle is the biggest asset to win big games; no QB is safe or comfortable


So Lawrence after 2 games is compared to HOF'r Donald. This place is ridiculous
RE: How many defensive stops do we have?  
BSIMatt : 9/18/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14586891 WillieYoung said:
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How effective is our run defense? Oliver flashed last game, Lawrence didn't.

Our run defense between the tackles has been excellent, Elliot was locked down except for one big run, the Bills could not run between the tackles. Not sure where you get hat Oliver flashed and Lawrence didnít.
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uther99 : 9/18/2019 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14586924 BSIMatt said:
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How effective is our run defense? Oliver flashed last game, Lawrence didn't.


Our run defense between the tackles has been excellent, Elliot was locked down except for one big run, the Bills could not run between the tackles. Not sure where you get hat Oliver flashed and Lawrence didnít.


because this guy has no idea what Lawrence is supposed do
RE: RE: RE: I don't know why people think a NT.....  
CromartiesKid21 : 9/18/2019 8:45 pm : link
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should be putting up sacks that rival edge rushers. He's a NT/DT people!! If you want to get an idea of his work subscribe to the NFL gamepass and watch the coaches' tape!!!



The ones that do like Aaron Donald and Chris Jones last year definitely do get noticed.
Generating pocket pressure in the NFL from up the middle is the biggest asset to win big games; no QB is safe or comfortable



So Lawrence after 2 games is compared to HOF'r Donald. This place is ridiculous


He's a Top 17 pick at NT...we should be expecting a capable pass rusher whose overall game rivals the 5 best at his position.

If he's not a 3 down player or cannot generate a pass rush then it's simply a poor pick at his draft slot.
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CromartiesKid21 : 9/18/2019 8:46 pm : link
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should be putting up sacks that rival edge rushers. He's a NT/DT people!! If you want to get an idea of his work subscribe to the NFL gamepass and watch the coaches' tape!!!



The ones that do like Aaron Donald and Chris Jones last year definitely do get noticed.
Generating pocket pressure in the NFL from up the middle is the biggest asset to win big games; no QB is safe or comfortable



So Lawrence after 2 games is compared to HOF'r Donald. This place is ridiculous



He's a Top 17 pick at NT...we should be expecting a capable pass rusher whose overall game ( in time ) rivals the 5 best at his position.

If he's not a 3 down player or cannot generate a pass rush then it's simply a poor pick at his draft slot.
Obviously there is usually a trade off  
idiotsavant : 9/18/2019 8:48 pm : link
Schematically between getting after the passer and stopping the run. One can guess that 'stop the run' comes down from the getts, that some of the interior play techniques are new, that it will improve as they allow themselves to take risks vs run in order to boost the interior pass rush either scheme wise or personel wise and as the players integrate some stuff that's new to them.

The upside of a player like Dexter is the promise of being a 'both' type. An any down type.
Obviously there is usually a trade off  
idiotsavant : 9/18/2019 8:49 pm : link
Schematically between getting after the passer and stopping the run. One can guess that 'stop the run' comes down from the getts, that some of the interior play techniques are new, that it will improve as they allow themselves to take risks vs run in order to boost the interior pass rush either scheme wise or personel wise and as the players integrate some stuff that's new to them.

The upside of a player like Dexter is the promise of being a 'both' type. An any down type.
RE: Loved  
bradshaw44 : 9/18/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14586770 AcidTest said:
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the pick. People complaining about him don't know what they're watching, or what the role of a DE is in a 3-4.


Isnít he NT, not DE?
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giants#1 : 9/18/2019 9:18 pm : link
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should be putting up sacks that rival edge rushers. He's a NT/DT people!! If you want to get an idea of his work subscribe to the NFL gamepass and watch the coaches' tape!!!



The ones that do like Aaron Donald and Chris Jones last year definitely do get noticed.
Generating pocket pressure in the NFL from up the middle is the biggest asset to win big games; no QB is safe or comfortable



So Lawrence after 2 games is compared to HOF'r Donald. This place is ridiculous



He's a Top 17 pick at NT...we should be expecting a capable pass rusher whose overall game rivals the 5 best at his position.

If he's not a 3 down player or cannot generate a pass rush then it's simply a poor pick at his draft slot.


I'm pretty sure Balt doesn't regret the Ngata pick (12 overall) and his best numbers were 5.5 sacks and 14 qb hits. DT/NT can influence the game in other ways.
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uther99 : 9/18/2019 9:25 pm : link
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I'm pretty sure Balt doesn't regret the Ngata pick (12 overall) and his best numbers were 5.5 sacks and 14 qb hits. DT/NT can influence the game in other ways.


Ngata clearly a bust based on this board
RE: How many defensive stops do we have?  
BSIMatt : 9/18/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14586891 WillieYoung said:
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How many QB hurries do we have. How effective is our run defense?


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Sunday appeared to have been rolling as the team averaged a solid 4.4 yards per attempt. However, a deeper dive into the rushing numbers shows that much of those yards were the work of the Billsí running backs and not the offensive line. The duo of Devin Singletary and Frank Gore combined for 69 yards after contact and forced four missed tackles.

In particular, the Bills offensive line failed to create any movement between the tackles. When taking away the 55 yards created after contact on inside runs, the Bills running game generated only 26 yards on 19 carries when running between the tackles against the Giants.


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On Sunday vs. the Giants, Buffalo struggled Ė allowing 12 total pressures, including four sacks, and their pass blocking efficiency ranked No. 28 in the league at 77.8.



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I also think too many are writing off DeAndre Baker too quickly  
Leg of Theismann : 9/19/2019 12:06 am : link
The guy was known coming out as a shut-down man-coverage corner in college. So now we see the Giants playing him like exclusively in zone? No wonder he's sucking. Not to mention he's only played 2 games. Give the rookie some time to settle into a role that doesn't cater to his strengths.
I thought they drafted him specifically because  
BSIMatt : 9/19/2019 12:18 am : link
He was a press corner, I thought that was the point. Then he gets into games and is playing off the receivers and struggling...I never thought that was the plan to begin with. So yeah, Iíve been confused as well..reminds me of Webster coming in and having struggles playing a different style.
Baker  
OBJRoyal : 9/19/2019 5:15 am : link
been thinking the same thing!! highly touted press corner being asked to play zone and people wonder why his lost.

next thing we will hear is, remember he got beat once playing press?? name a CB who hasn't been beat.

put him in a position to succeed.
RE: now  
Jon C. in MD : 9/19/2019 5:30 am : link
In comment 14586716 Justlurking said:
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...do Baker...


Bakerís write up is also at the PFF link from OP.

PICK NO. 30: CB DEANDRE BAKER, NEW YORK GIANTS
2019 overall grade: 24.4
Things just arenít going well for Baker in the Big Apple. After allowing four receptions for 132 receiving yards in Week 1, Baker was picked on this week against the Bills and allowed seven receptions on nine targets for 140 yards and a score in his second regular-season game as a pro. His two-game stat line now makes for grim reading: heís allowed 11 receptions on 13 targets for 272 yards, two touchdowns and a perfect passer rating of 158.3. Making matters worse, heís also been smoked for a 50-yard reception in each of his last two games.
Pff 1st round rookie grades - ( New Window )
Webster looked like pure trash until  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/19/2019 7:03 am : link
Buffalo in '07 & then he became All World. People writing off Baker...come on. This DC isn't doing him any favors either.
Baker is getting hurt by idiotic coaching  
Rflairr : 9/19/2019 8:38 am : link
His strength is press man coverage and they have him playing 10 yards off the WRs. lol. And people blame the player. The defensive coaches are fucking idiots on this team.
BSI.....that tells me our dline is getting it done, but the linebacker  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 8:44 am : link
aren't getting it done, which if you use your eyes is apparent.
but but  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/19/2019 12:57 pm : link
he doesn't have any sacks, and my neighbor doesn't know his name. He must suck.
RE: Baker is getting hurt by idiotic coaching  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/19/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14587278 Rflairr said:
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His strength is press man coverage and they have him playing 10 yards off the WRs. lol. And people blame the player. The defensive coaches are fucking idiots on this team.

I felt him getting injured in preseason was a big kick in the nuts. And whats up with Mr. Glass Beal?
RE: Webster looked like pure trash until  
Jay on the Island : 9/19/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14587179 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Buffalo in '07 & then he became All World. People writing off Baker...come on. This DC isn't doing him any favors either.

Webster was so bad during his rookie season that he was benched in favor of UDFA rookie Curtis Deloatch.
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