after the Giants won Super Bowl in 2011.
I am moving forward now with Jones and have appreciated all the thoughts on the site regarding the last seven years but it really stinks.
32 Years Old. Puts together a great 2011 campaign (5k yards, 29 TD's, 16 ints, 7.8 ypa) and to me a historic playoff run as good as anyone probably in history.
I guess I concluded wherever people stand, what a shame that had his receivers stayed healthy (particularly Nicks) and they provided a "pretty good" line how different everything would have been. Not just for Eli but for many in the organization over those years.
Plax 05-mid 08
Steve Smith 07-10
Domenik hixon 08-11
Hakeem nicks 09-12
Cruz 11-mid 14
Odell 14-18
Eli basically has not had the same luck that guys like rivers and Big Ben have had with wr. Lets not even discuss the revolving door at tight end from shockey, boss, Ballard, Bennett, Myers etc
Plax 05-mid 08
Steve Smith 07-10
Domenik hixon 08-11
Hakeem nicks 09-12
Cruz 11-mid 14
Odell 14-18
Eli basically has not had the same luck that guys like rivers and Big Ben have had with wr. Lets not even discuss the revolving door at tight end from shockey, boss, Ballard, Bennett, Myers etc
Great point. Just a shame because Eli unlike many other QB's who faded out because of injury was able to keep his health.
BINGO! It really puts Jerry Reese's horrible job with building the roster and the organization's failure to recognize it in perspective.
The bad drafts are really the reason we are where we are right now. Humpty, Canty and Rothy were talking yesterday about how we only have Sterling Shepard left from the 2013-2016 drafts......1 player!!!! Out of 28 plus selections. Wrap your mind around that. That is fucking horrible.
The past 2 drafts have been much better. We are still very young and need to mature but I really like what DG has done so far.
Eli is not the reason we suck but he is unable to mask our short comings.
Thanks for nothing Jerry and Marc.
Nicks, Steve Smith, Cruz, Hixon all had their careers cut short by injury.
If those guys are healthy, then you can draft Martin or Donald instead of OBJ.
Plus all the injuries to other guys early in their career: Beatty, Chad Jones, Wilson, Pugh, Terrell Thomas,....I'm sure there's some I'm missing.
Dolphins ended up trading Tubsil for two 1st round picks.
That plus the Giants taking Flowers in the same draft slot that Dallas took Tyron Smith 4 years earlier... 9th overall...
Had we taken Tunsil and had Flowers been even just half as good as Tyron Smith...
Anyways. The Giants failed to put a championship team around Eli the past 5+ years.
Eli is getting into the HOF and all Mara did was honor Eli and make him wealthy.
The narrative of Eli being let down by the organization is tiring. A franchise quarterback can lift a flawed team team to heights, as he did in 11.
Andrew Luck for years won 11 games with a line as bad as Eli s, Deshawn W did it last season for the Texans.
Eli was never a great regular season quarterback but shined in big moments, he jus didnt get there as often as we would have liked
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
I hope to G-d that some time soon, Gettleman's plan looks like more than just housecleaning and we actually cease being a doormat.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Fair points but I am looking at QB. I did see Marino play many times and agree with his passing ability. But to me he did seem always to be fairly well protected (to my eye) and had weapons. I wonder how Jimmy Johnson would compare him to Aikman....just saying. Yes he had stats, I was just saying it's a shame how different all the narratives could have been for Eli.
The other people you mentioned while great indeed, I don't think their positions carry the same impact as a QB.
LDT; I am not certain of the circumstances but I do believe he was on the sidelines for the one AFC championship game he was in.
There have been Giants players in recent years who lost their careers years too soon due to catastrophic injuries. Those are sad stories.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
Good Lord! You're taking names of people who didn't post on the Eli appreciation thread?
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
Good Lord! You're taking names of people who didn't post on the Eli appreciation thread?
Hi Jim, how are you today?
There have been Giants players in recent years who lost their careers years too soon due to catastrophic injuries. Those are sad stories.
Well kind of the point. Eli did not have such a catastrophic injury.
At their worst - Reese had some bad drafts that accelerated a roster already decimated by injuries. Coughlin had a problem adapting his system to allow new personnel to acclimate faster to it (something made an issue by the CBA changes). Eli had games or stretches where he was inconsistent and turned the ball over too often, and his lack of athletic ability made worse an offensive line that was already struggling to protect.
The idea is that these guys didn't have to be perfect. Few are, or have been. Appreciate them for what they did deliver, that they were able to bring home two trophies, and let go the sins of the past.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
Good Lord! You're taking names of people who didn't post on the Eli appreciation thread?
Hi Jim, how are you today?
I'm doing great! Thanks for asking.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
You did not notice me there either, because I wasnt.
But do you know where I was at? Five different NFL stadiums during Elis career, including Candlestick for the NFCCG and Lucas Oil for Super Bowl 46, with most cheering uttered when Eli handled ball. I also have his jersey and a mini Giants helmet autographed by him ... All purchased by money. My money. Earned by working.
Which of course still readily pales in comparison to your true and deep appreciation of Eli by stoking the keyboard and posting a message on an Internet forum not affiliated to the Giants or to the NFL or to the Manning foundation. And when you even put in the meticulous and admirable effort of noticing and calling out who was not in that one internet post, that really takes your appreciation of Eli to a new height, uniquely un-matchable.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
You did not notice me there either, because I wasnt.
But do you know where I was at? Five different NFL stadiums during Elis career, including Candlestick for the NFCCG and Lucas Oil for Super Bowl 46, with most cheering uttered when Eli handled ball. I also have his jersey and a mini Giants helmet autographed by him ... All purchased by money. My money. Earned by working.
Which of course still readily pales in comparison to your true and deep appreciation of Eli by stoking the keyboard and posting a message on an Internet forum not affiliated to the Giants or to the NFL or to the Manning foundation. And when you even put in the meticulous and admirable effort of noticing and calling out who was not in that one internet post, that really takes your appreciation of Eli to a new height, uniquely un-matchable.
Great story, when does the book come out?
And is that hard or soft cover?
Thanks
This x 1,000. Jerry Reese was terrible at selecting talent; especially on the O-Line.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
You did not notice me there either, because I wasnt.
But do you know where I was at? Five different NFL stadiums during Elis career, including Candlestick for the NFCCG and Lucas Oil for Super Bowl 46, with most cheering uttered when Eli handled ball. I also have his jersey and a mini Giants helmet autographed by him ... All purchased by money. My money. Earned by working.
Which of course still readily pales in comparison to your true and deep appreciation of Eli by stoking the keyboard and posting a message on an Internet forum not affiliated to the Giants or to the NFL or to the Manning foundation. And when you even put in the meticulous and admirable effort of noticing and calling out who was not in that one internet post, that really takes your appreciation of Eli to a new height, uniquely un-matchable.
Great story, when does the book come out?
And is that hard or soft cover?
Thanks
I dont write books. I read them.
You compile a list of people people who you dont know and who arent even using their real names who did not participate on one particular discussion topic of one particular Internet forum.
Are you proud of this act? I am proud of my acts listed above.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
You did not notice me there either, because I wasnt.
But do you know where I was at? Five different NFL stadiums during Elis career, including Candlestick for the NFCCG and Lucas Oil for Super Bowl 46, with most cheering uttered when Eli handled ball. I also have his jersey and a mini Giants helmet autographed by him ... All purchased by money. My money. Earned by working.
Which of course still readily pales in comparison to your true and deep appreciation of Eli by stoking the keyboard and posting a message on an Internet forum not affiliated to the Giants or to the NFL or to the Manning foundation. And when you even put in the meticulous and admirable effort of noticing and calling out who was not in that one internet post, that really takes your appreciation of Eli to a new height, uniquely un-matchable.
Great story, when does the book come out?
And is that hard or soft cover?
Thanks
I dont write books. I read them.
You compile a list of people people who you dont know and who arent even using their real names who did not participate on one particular discussion topic of one particular Internet forum.
Are you proud of this act? I am proud of my acts listed above.
Once you see my full report of names missing of which I was hired for and being paid handsomely for the answer to your question will be quite obvious. Glowing with pride won't begin to express my feeling. Thanks for inquiring. I'll be sure to notify you of it's release date in advance.
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for Eli. Oh, the absolute sadness Eli only got 2 SBs. At least he got two! Could the organization performed better assembling talent? Sure. But welcome to Earth and professional sports.
My god, do we need to go through the list of some of the all-time great players who didnt win or even sniff a SB?
Dan Marino was the best thrower of a football Ive seen until Aaron Rodgers came along. Just brilliant. And he had a legendary coach. They got to one SB together and ran into, arguably, the greatest team ever - the 84 49ers.
Barry Sanders was from another planet. But played for Detroit. Enough said.
Tony Gonzalez is in the discussion as the greatest TE ever. Didnt really come close to SB.
There may not have been a better offensive lineman than Anthony Munoz. For his time, a mountain of a man and an absolute craftsman for his position. Got to a SB but had the bad luck of running into the greatest QB ever - Joe Montana.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the great WRs. Except for one magical run 2008, where the Cards lost a heart breaker to Pittsburgh, hes been buried out in Phoenix...
I refuse to call him LT, but LaDainian Tomlinson is one of the greatest all-around RBs. A magical player. Had some great regular seasons out in San Diego. But he was coached by two guys who were absolutely snake bitten in the playoffs - Marty Schottenheimer (especially) and Norv Turner.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
So lets have a little perspective here. Eli has had some great moments, made an absolute fortune, and has a good shot at having his bust in Canton. Was it this complete football utopia that some think he seem to think he deserved? No. But it could have been a helluva lot worse.
Didn't notice you on the Eli appreciation thread
Good Lord! You're taking names of people who didn't post on the Eli appreciation thread?
Lol
Is this genuine advice or snark?
Not sure which one.
Since 2011 the organization failed to build a consistent defense, find starting caliber RB'S before Barkley, find starting caliber TE', find starting caliber line backers, build a league average offensive line and since scapegoating Coughing find a real HC.
Sucks it worked out that way.
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Since 2011 the organization failed to build a consistent defense, find starting caliber RB'S before Barkley, find starting caliber TE', find starting caliber line backers, build a league average offensive line and since scapegoating Coughing find a real HC.
Sucks it worked out that way.
Well said Rocco. I thought the Nick injury was the big hit to the team and of course the OL. I was just saying keeping him and just a pretty good line how different the narratives would have been for Eli and TC as well. Just unfortunate, but of all the things the Giants blamed for it....it really just comes back to poor drafting over many years.
Since 2011 the organization failed to build a consistent defense, find starting caliber RB'S before Barkley, find starting caliber TE', find starting caliber line backers, build a league average offensive line and since scapegoating Coughing find a real HC.
Sucks it worked out that way.
Good post. Agree 2011 team had its flaws as clearly shown by the overall W/L record. However, like many champions the overall team was far more solid as the regular season ended versus began. And with a few plus-performances during playoffs and some luck they got past some tough competition and hoisted a trophy.
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This is embarrassing for you. Do yourself a favor and stop now.
Is this genuine advice or snark?
Not sure which one.
Genuine. You are a good poster, but this is petty. Questioning someone elses fandom is nonsense.
Of course, we wouldn't have won it with JPP, but by taking a project player and him turning into a star, I believe Jerry Reese saw himself as some kind of football player whisperer. After JPP, it was the JPP of tight ends, Adrian Robinson. Next, it was the JPP of Left tackles in Ereck Flowers. Reese was constantly drafting projects who were physically talented that he thought could be molded into superstars. Problem was, the overwhelming majority of these projects were garbage.
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This is embarrassing for you. Do yourself a favor and stop now.
Is this genuine advice or snark?
Not sure which one.
Genuine. You are a good poster, but this is petty. Questioning someone elses fandom is nonsense.
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Bad drafting, followed by horrific coaching hires. Peyton, Brady, Rapelisburger, and Rivers played with HoFers throughout their careers, Eli none.
Of course, we wouldn't have won it with JPP, but by taking a project player and him turning into a star, I believe Jerry Reese saw himself as some kind of football player whisperer. After JPP, it was the JPP of tight ends, Adrian Robinson. Next, it was the JPP of Left tackles in Ereck Flowers. Reese was constantly drafting projects who were physically talented that he thought could be molded into superstars. Problem was, the overwhelming majority of these projects were garbage.
And JPPs 2011 season was an outlier.