Other players released or traded by Gettleman over the years agree — Odell Beckham, Steve Smith, and especially Collins, who returns to MetLife Stadium in Week 4, for Washington’s game at the Giants.
Gettleman was brought here to do exactly what he's done, which is blow up the roster and start over. Anyone who is from the previous losing group who has a problem leaving, my response is "you didn't do enough to win and stay". I don't care that they hate Gettleman and felt lied to.
Now, I think all the pressure is on Gettleman and Shurmur in 2020. I think Mara will give them the grace period that it wasn't a one year turnaround. If the Giants continue to struggle in 2020 and don't make the playoffs, with 3 Gettleman drafts, a ton of cap space and Daniel Jones with game experience under his belt, then the Giants need to show him and Shurmur the door.
divas (Norman, Smith, Collins, OBJ) that have come out and complained about DG cutting them loose. If that means other divas will think twice about signing with the Giants, GOOD! I don't want them here.
Dave Gettleman, Diva Remover. I'm good with that.
So far he's much better known as the Talent Extractor
You should care about how the leader of an organization treats his people. Before too long, there won't be any good ones left to mistreat. Even a shitty employee needs to be given the same respect as everyone else, if only to show the rest of the rank and file that you're not petty.
It’s Mara apologizing to Collins for how his exit was handled (per Collins). But, allowing Collins to be an unrestricted FA seems like a good deal for Collins & made a ton of money for it.
I think Collins ego took a hit. I’m still pissed he dropped the INT against NE in 2015. Would have gotten us to 6-4 and maybe we win the division.
Season, called one of his teammates a cancer and refused to switch to LB even though he can’t cover anyone. He’s definitely not worth 84 mil. I’m tired of hearing about him. If the giants would’ve signed him Gettleman would be get killed by the same beat writers for giving him a terrible contract
I don’t want a GM who’s bros with the players like Reese was Â
and yes the giants suck right now, but he has rebuilt the offensive line, hopefully drafted a future qb, hall of fame rb, his draft classes albeit very early are contributing..
has 60 million to spend this offseason, team really is not as far off as people think
RE: How can Collins claim Gettleman's a liar when he said that Gettleman Â
But he really only has one job and that's to put together the best possible team for his employers. And, I think that the jury is still out on that. I'm sure it's a subject of potential great debate, but personally, I think he has gotten the arrow pointing upwards, whereas his predecessor approached the team with a shovel in his hands on loam on his mind.
I could care less of his flippant or even disingenuous with the media. In fact, good for him! Yay!. Him mocking teams for "analytics' is less than insubstantial and the complaint is more in the minds of the hurt ones who take themselves far too seriously than grounded in reality. Basically, what he says in public means less than zero.
I do think he likely needs to be more communicative with his subordinates though, especially as he is moving them out (tasking some of these commenters in the article at their word). But, moving them out is well within his purview and in pretty much every case I can think of, more than justifiable.
Wrt Collins specifically, he didn't fit what they want at the price Collins wanted. As far as "lumping him in with the distractions" I didn't see DG specifically single Collins out in this vein. Not sure why he has to specifically say "except for Landon" in his every sentence either. On the subject itself, I actually would think that running to the papers to disparage a teammate (even if the teammate was an abominable teammate) is a distraction for the GM to deal with .
Gettleman was brought here to do exactly what he's done, which is blow up the roster and start over. Anyone who is from the previous losing group who has a problem leaving, my response is "you didn't do enough to win and stay". I don't care that they hate Gettleman and felt lied to.
Now, I think all the pressure is on Gettleman and Shurmur in 2020. I think Mara will give them the grace period that it wasn't a one year turnaround. If the Giants continue to struggle in 2020 and don't make the playoffs, with 3 Gettleman drafts, a ton of cap space and Daniel Jones with game experience under his belt, then the Giants need to show him and Shurmur the door.
I think Gettleman gets 2020, but I’m not so sure about Shurmur. I think PS has to prove himself in the next 14 games.
divas (Norman, Smith, Collins, OBJ) that have come out and complained about DG cutting them loose. If that means other divas will think twice about signing with the Giants, GOOD! I don't want them here.
Dave Gettleman, Diva Remover. I'm good with that.
So far he's much better known as the Talent Extractor
You should care about how the leader of an organization treats his people. Before too long, there won't be any good ones left to mistreat. Even a shitty employee needs to be given the same respect as everyone else, if only to show the rest of the rank and file that you're not petty.
I see a leader sending a message to the team that no one person is above the team. I see one that won't overlook shit behavior because of talent. There was a cancer on this team and he's cutting it out. As for how the team is playing now, recovery takes time.
Would Bill Belichick have tolerated any of this? I guarantee that Antonio Brown will either straighten up and fly right or Bill will cut him loose.
Smith and Norman were never much after they were released. Will that trend continue with Collins? It looks like it already started when he was still here.
What this boils down to was Landon Collins needed someone to give him a big hug and he didn't get that. The NFL is a business. You are a grown man, Landon. Try acting like one.
Collins is currently number NINE in league in tackles
He was a leader of our defense ..
please stop with the idea that Collins was not a valuable member of Giants
if he was still on our team - we would have a much better defense.
also -
if Collins was the only player to make these accusations against Gettleman
then you could call Collins a malcontent but the fact is a number of players have said bad things about Gettleman ..
how many times do you hear players bad mouthing a GM?
do you think players are that dumb? of course they know it is a business
RE: RE: RE: I'm not at all concerned about the league Â
divas (Norman, Smith, Collins, OBJ) that have come out and complained about DG cutting them loose. If that means other divas will think twice about signing with the Giants, GOOD! I don't want them here.
Dave Gettleman, Diva Remover. I'm good with that.
So far he's much better known as the Talent Extractor
You should care about how the leader of an organization treats his people. Before too long, there won't be any good ones left to mistreat. Even a shitty employee needs to be given the same respect as everyone else, if only to show the rest of the rank and file that you're not petty.
I see a leader sending a message to the team that no one person is above the team. I see one that won't overlook shit behavior because of talent. There was a cancer on this team and he's cutting it out. As for how the team is playing now, recovery takes time.
Would Bill Belichick have tolerated any of this? I guarantee that Antonio Brown will either straighten up and fly right or Bill will cut him loose.
You know what else Bill Belichick wouldn't do?
He wouldn't give up a 4th to overpaid an at best mediocre Alec Ogletree. He wouldn't give Solder the highest paying contract for an LT.
BBI needs to stop the WWBD - because Belichick is in his own league. He's earned the right to be different, he's got the results to prove it.
Gettleman doesn't have to be best buds with these guys - but being straight up and telling someone they're out isn't too much to ask either.
Whatever Collins says about Gettleman, it remains true Â
that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Collins is currently number NINE in league in tackles
He was a leader of our defense ..
please stop with the idea that Collins was not a valuable member of Giants
if he was still on our team - we would have a much better defense.
also -
if Collins was the only player to make these accusations against Gettleman
then you could call Collins a malcontent but the fact is a number of players have said bad things about Gettleman ..
how many times do you hear players bad mouthing a GM?
do you think players are that dumb? of course they know it is a business
Wow - he's NUMBER NINE in tackles after two games.
Guess where his defense ranks? 30th. They can't stop anyone. Neither could the Giants for most of the time he was here. We had a good defense one of the four years he played here - but sure, he's certainly the missing link.
Some of these takes... oy vey.
I would temper everything because we only are seeing one side Â
expressed by bitter people, many of whom have had their own public issues and there's no really verification as to whether or not they have a propensity for truth-telling.
Collins may talk too much, but this does not reflect well on Gettleman. Stuff like this:
"If you can’t pay me, you can’t keep me, or I’m not what you’re looking for with your future, all right. Just let me know. It’s all good. I haven’t talked to this man not one time. The handling of it was horrible.”
And:
Once he came out and started talking about how we were problems, and they got rid of the problems, I’m trying to figure out: When have I ever been a problem?” Collins said. “Don’t group me in something that I wasn’t the cause of."
Is just a bad look. All in all it paints a picture as Gettleman as a real cowardly douchebag.
Now I can handle a cowardly douchebag as a GM, if he delivers wins, but if he can't even do that...
ok, so which is true? If Collins is calling DG a liar, he must have spoken with him. If he has never spoken to him, how can he know if he has lied. Either way, Collins isn't being truthful here. Ironic based on his accusation.
Uuuh... could be refering to things DG said ABOUT him... Not that hard to understand, I thought?
and what did DG say about him?
RE: Whatever Collins says about Gettleman, it remains true Â
that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
"If you can’t pay me, you can’t keep me, or I’m not what you’re looking for with your future, all right. Just let me know. It’s all good. I haven’t talked to this man not one time. The handling of it was horrible.”
Listen, he needs to move on, but Collins was one of the leaders on the team and if DG couldn't reach out to him at all during the off-season, even if it was to say "we appreciate everything you did here, but you do not fit into our future plans", that just isn't right.
Yes. DG has shown time and time again to be completely unprofessional. He is a terrible representative of the Giants and would not last a day in a real job in the real world.
Collins is currently number NINE in league in tackles
He was a leader of our defense ..
please stop with the idea that Collins was not a valuable member of Giants
if he was still on our team - we would have a much better defense.
also -
if Collins was the only player to make these accusations against Gettleman
then you could call Collins a malcontent but the fact is a number of players have said bad things about Gettleman ..
how many times do you hear players bad mouthing a GM?
do you think players are that dumb? of course they know it is a business
Wow - he's NUMBER NINE in tackles after two games.
Guess where his defense ranks? 30th. They can't stop anyone. Neither could the Giants for most of the time he was here. We had a good defense one of the four years he played here - but sure, he's certainly the missing link.
Some of these takes... oy vey.
I do think that we all recognize that Landon is very skilled and an excellent tackler. That ranking doesn't surprise me at all. The concern here was that he was poor in coverage and that our scheme needed something that...wasn't that. How have his cover skills been in the first 2 games? That doesn't show up in the tackle stats.
RE: RE: Whatever Collins says about Gettleman, it remains true Â
that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
well he gave the Eagles a 4th round comp pick for Tate...so lets not make it like DG is a master here.
Collins was very good in the box, but he couldn’t Â
cover my grandmother who’s been dead for quite some time. I would never pay an in the box S anywhere close to $14 mill AND we should get a 3rd in compensation.
Smart move by DG
RE: RE: RE: Whatever Collins says about Gettleman, it remains true Â
that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
well he gave the Eagles a 4th round comp pick for Tate...so lets not make it like DG is a master here.
You also apparently don't understand how the formula works.
He didn't "give" the Eagles anything.
I thought that they were offered a third for Collins last season? Â
should go be a beat in D.C. I mean he goes as far as reaching out to Flowers for a blurb. Give me a break, the Giants make the first meaningful QB move in over a decade, and this idiot is trying to shit-stir up a story on the GM? Obviously next week would have been more appropriate. I guess he didn't want the other idiot Pat Leonard to beat him to it.
RE: I thought that they were offered a third for Collins last season? Â
he's angry that Gettleman lied to him and also angry that he didn't say anything to him. Both can't be true so which is it?
Also Gettleman never called him a problem to my recollection - that's people just stirring the pot. He's been pretty respectful of all the guys that have left individually, though he has made illusions to changing the culture (which I suspect is much more of a reflection of the Eli Apple/Snacks/Flowers group than LC).
Loved Collins as a Giant, wish we could have brought him back, but not at that contract (which he should be thanking DG for letting him get w/o franchise tag drama). I'll take the 3rd and cap room. If you go back 12-18 months I probably posted that I wanted him back or tagged so I guess that makes me a liar in his book too.
We're talking Resume Dave here. The guy who is so insecure he has to remind everyone who will listen about all of his Canton achievements. The same guy who consistently contradicts himself publicly and looks and sounds like a complete incompetent fool doing it.
So this type of behavior - lack of professionalism - dealing with players is just par for the course. Gettleman is a bonafide jackass.
Regardless, what's done is done. Hopefully, he hasn't created enough stench around the organization that give free agents pause to come here.
Like we all know, Gettleman will be judged by two moves when the dust settles - the selection of Barkley and the selection of Jones.
We're talking Resume Dave here. The guy who is so insecure he has to remind everyone who will listen about all of his Canton achievements. The same guy who consistently contradicts himself publicly and looks and sounds like a complete incompetent fool doing it.
So this type of behavior - lack of professionalism - dealing with players is just par for the course. Gettleman is a bonafide jackass.
Regardless, what's done is done. Hopefully, he hasn't created enough stench around the organization that give free agents pause to come here.
Like we all know, Gettleman will be judged by two moves when the dust settles - the selection of Barkley and the selection of Jones.
There's no lack of surprise with this post - that's for sure.
RE: RE: RE: Whatever Collins says about Gettleman, it remains true Â
that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
well he gave the Eagles a 4th round comp pick for Tate...so lets not make it like DG is a master here.
Not that it matters in the context of this discussion as DG didnt know Tate would be suspended for 4 games; but I read somewhere the suspension does screw up the Eagles plan on getting a decent compensation pick for Tate
needs to tip his hand when it comes to player contracts, trades, movement on and off the team
he has to do what's best for the Giants
many of you used to excoriate Reese for tipping his hand -- and yet there were players unhappy with him too -- like Shockey, like Strahan, like Osi --
this contract stuff is about jockeying for position -- you can't be showing your hand all the time
I think Collins is sour grapes because he didn't get what he wanted. By the way -- OBJ was sour grapes and he did get what he wanted. It all seems to point to the "bad culture" that was manifest here. A lot of young spoiled millionaire brats that find ways to feel disrespected because their ego didn't get stroked as part of a business decision. Sheesh!
There's a real lack of thick skin in all this, in my humble opinion, jstfu and grow a set
Collins is too sensitive.
Collins is not worth the contract he got from the skins, good to not pay him that.
Collins led the giants defense to the only relevant Giants season in 6 years- people like to pretend 2016 didnt happen because the 2 best players were collins and obj and the coach everyone hates was actually great in key situations.
Gettleman is not a great communicator and its obvious a lot of ex players dont enjoy him- which as a fan who cares but it doesnt mean they are wrong on his personality.
gettleman has made some good decisions... and gettleman has made some bad decisions... jury is still out and dependent on Jones.
Only the Redkins can give a guy 80 million dollars Â
And I'll be honest,for a guy who wanted to remain a Giant this bad.Where we constantly gotta hear these type of comments.It sure didn't take long for him to sign with the team in which his childhood idol played for.That deal was done rather quickly.
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He wouldn't give up a 4th to overpaid an at best mediocre Alec Ogletree. He wouldn't give Solder the highest paying contract for an LT.
BBI needs to stop the WWBD - because Belichick is in his own league. He's earned the right to be different, he's got the results to prove it.
Gettleman doesn't have to be best buds with these guys - but being straight up and telling someone they're out isn't too much to ask either.
No. BBI, the Giants, and every other team in the league NEEDS to say WWBD because "Belichick is in his own league". What's the argument here, we shouldn't try to do what works? He's gotten results BECAUSE he does it differently.
What I agree with you on is that he's earned the ability to get players cheaper than other teams because he wins. Therefore, he gets player's at a discount because they want to win. Bill isn't desperate for an ILB or LT. He's never desperate for any position because he's that good at what he does so he, again, doesn't have to overpay.
Giants/Gettleman didn't have much of a choice. They had an urgent need for a LT and had to quickly convert to a 3-4 without the players (LBs) to do so.
RE: Whatever Collins says about Gettleman, it remains true Â
1. Collins has always talked too much
2. He does one thing very well
3. Does anyone here think DG should have shelled out 84mil for a one dimensional player.
4. Collins should thank the DG for not franchising him
5. Collins is showing you why DG didn’t want to franchise him
6. Why can’t the young man move on. The Giants did (easily)
Now, I think all the pressure is on Gettleman and Shurmur in 2020. I think Mara will give them the grace period that it wasn't a one year turnaround. If the Giants continue to struggle in 2020 and don't make the playoffs, with 3 Gettleman drafts, a ton of cap space and Daniel Jones with game experience under his belt, then the Giants need to show him and Shurmur the door.
Dave Gettleman, Diva Remover. I'm good with that.
So far he's much better known as the Talent Extractor
You should care about how the leader of an organization treats his people. Before too long, there won't be any good ones left to mistreat. Even a shitty employee needs to be given the same respect as everyone else, if only to show the rest of the rank and file that you're not petty.
I think Collins ego took a hit. I’m still pissed he dropped the INT against NE in 2015. Would have gotten us to 6-4 and maybe we win the division.
The jury is still out on the job DG is doing, but I don’t care if he’s not warm and fuzzy with these guys
has 60 million to spend this offseason, team really is not as far off as people think
I was about to post the same thought. Collins definitely claimed the Giants never spoke to him or his agent about a new contract.
Butt still hurt over this one huh? It would be a riot if she reads BBI and saw this.
The jury is still out on the job DG is doing, but I don’t care if he’s not warm and fuzzy with these guys
This.
Collins really, REALLY needs to let it go.
I could care less of his flippant or even disingenuous with the media. In fact, good for him! Yay!. Him mocking teams for "analytics' is less than insubstantial and the complaint is more in the minds of the hurt ones who take themselves far too seriously than grounded in reality. Basically, what he says in public means less than zero.
I do think he likely needs to be more communicative with his subordinates though, especially as he is moving them out (tasking some of these commenters in the article at their word). But, moving them out is well within his purview and in pretty much every case I can think of, more than justifiable.
Wrt Collins specifically, he didn't fit what they want at the price Collins wanted. As far as "lumping him in with the distractions" I didn't see DG specifically single Collins out in this vein. Not sure why he has to specifically say "except for Landon" in his every sentence either. On the subject itself, I actually would think that running to the papers to disparage a teammate (even if the teammate was an abominable teammate) is a distraction for the GM to deal with .
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Broke up with me in 7th grade. Eventually I moved on. One day Landon will too.
Butt still hurt over this one huh? It would be a riot if she reads BBI and saw this.
Still cry myself to sleep over it once a week :-) And no, I'm fairly certain she doesn't even know the Giants are a professional sports team.
Now, I think all the pressure is on Gettleman and Shurmur in 2020. I think Mara will give them the grace period that it wasn't a one year turnaround. If the Giants continue to struggle in 2020 and don't make the playoffs, with 3 Gettleman drafts, a ton of cap space and Daniel Jones with game experience under his belt, then the Giants need to show him and Shurmur the door.
I think Gettleman gets 2020, but I’m not so sure about Shurmur. I think PS has to prove himself in the next 14 games.
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Broke up with me in 7th grade. Eventually I moved on. One day Landon will too.
Butt still hurt over this one huh? It would be a riot if she reads BBI and saw this.
Still cry myself to sleep over it once a week :-) And no, I'm fairly certain she doesn't even know the Giants are a professional sports team.
Pics or GTFO...
The jury is still out on the job DG is doing, but I don’t care if he’s not warm and fuzzy with these guys
Reese was bros with the players? Tell that to Shockey. He kept his distance too.
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divas (Norman, Smith, Collins, OBJ) that have come out and complained about DG cutting them loose. If that means other divas will think twice about signing with the Giants, GOOD! I don't want them here.
Dave Gettleman, Diva Remover. I'm good with that.
So far he's much better known as the Talent Extractor
You should care about how the leader of an organization treats his people. Before too long, there won't be any good ones left to mistreat. Even a shitty employee needs to be given the same respect as everyone else, if only to show the rest of the rank and file that you're not petty.
I see a leader sending a message to the team that no one person is above the team. I see one that won't overlook shit behavior because of talent. There was a cancer on this team and he's cutting it out. As for how the team is playing now, recovery takes time.
Would Bill Belichick have tolerated any of this? I guarantee that Antonio Brown will either straighten up and fly right or Bill will cut him loose.
Not when those former players are ticking time bombs.
What this boils down to was Landon Collins needed someone to give him a big hug and he didn't get that. The NFL is a business. You are a grown man, Landon. Try acting like one.
He was a leader of our defense ..
please stop with the idea that Collins was not a valuable member of Giants
if he was still on our team - we would have a much better defense.
also -
if Collins was the only player to make these accusations against Gettleman
then you could call Collins a malcontent but the fact is a number of players have said bad things about Gettleman ..
how many times do you hear players bad mouthing a GM?
do you think players are that dumb? of course they know it is a business
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divas (Norman, Smith, Collins, OBJ) that have come out and complained about DG cutting them loose. If that means other divas will think twice about signing with the Giants, GOOD! I don't want them here.
Dave Gettleman, Diva Remover. I'm good with that.
So far he's much better known as the Talent Extractor
You should care about how the leader of an organization treats his people. Before too long, there won't be any good ones left to mistreat. Even a shitty employee needs to be given the same respect as everyone else, if only to show the rest of the rank and file that you're not petty.
I see a leader sending a message to the team that no one person is above the team. I see one that won't overlook shit behavior because of talent. There was a cancer on this team and he's cutting it out. As for how the team is playing now, recovery takes time.
Would Bill Belichick have tolerated any of this? I guarantee that Antonio Brown will either straighten up and fly right or Bill will cut him loose.
You know what else Bill Belichick wouldn't do?
He wouldn't give up a 4th to overpaid an at best mediocre Alec Ogletree. He wouldn't give Solder the highest paying contract for an LT.
BBI needs to stop the WWBD - because Belichick is in his own league. He's earned the right to be different, he's got the results to prove it.
Gettleman doesn't have to be best buds with these guys - but being straight up and telling someone they're out isn't too much to ask either.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
He was a leader of our defense ..
please stop with the idea that Collins was not a valuable member of Giants
if he was still on our team - we would have a much better defense.
also -
if Collins was the only player to make these accusations against Gettleman
then you could call Collins a malcontent but the fact is a number of players have said bad things about Gettleman ..
how many times do you hear players bad mouthing a GM?
do you think players are that dumb? of course they know it is a business
Wow - he's NUMBER NINE in tackles after two games.
Guess where his defense ranks? 30th. They can't stop anyone. Neither could the Giants for most of the time he was here. We had a good defense one of the four years he played here - but sure, he's certainly the missing link.
Some of these takes... oy vey.
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Collins may talk too much, but this does not reflect well on Gettleman. Stuff like this:
"If you can’t pay me, you can’t keep me, or I’m not what you’re looking for with your future, all right. Just let me know. It’s all good. I haven’t talked to this man not one time. The handling of it was horrible.”
And:
Once he came out and started talking about how we were problems, and they got rid of the problems, I’m trying to figure out: When have I ever been a problem?” Collins said. “Don’t group me in something that I wasn’t the cause of."
Is just a bad look. All in all it paints a picture as Gettleman as a real cowardly douchebag.
Now I can handle a cowardly douchebag as a GM, if he delivers wins, but if he can't even do that...
ok, so which is true? If Collins is calling DG a liar, he must have spoken with him. If he has never spoken to him, how can he know if he has lied. Either way, Collins isn't being truthful here. Ironic based on his accusation.
Uuuh... could be refering to things DG said ABOUT him... Not that hard to understand, I thought?
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
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"If you can’t pay me, you can’t keep me, or I’m not what you’re looking for with your future, all right. Just let me know. It’s all good. I haven’t talked to this man not one time. The handling of it was horrible.”
Listen, he needs to move on, but Collins was one of the leaders on the team and if DG couldn't reach out to him at all during the off-season, even if it was to say "we appreciate everything you did here, but you do not fit into our future plans", that just isn't right.
Yes. DG has shown time and time again to be completely unprofessional. He is a terrible representative of the Giants and would not last a day in a real job in the real world.
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Collins is currently number NINE in league in tackles
He was a leader of our defense ..
please stop with the idea that Collins was not a valuable member of Giants
if he was still on our team - we would have a much better defense.
also -
if Collins was the only player to make these accusations against Gettleman
then you could call Collins a malcontent but the fact is a number of players have said bad things about Gettleman ..
how many times do you hear players bad mouthing a GM?
do you think players are that dumb? of course they know it is a business
Wow - he's NUMBER NINE in tackles after two games.
Guess where his defense ranks? 30th. They can't stop anyone. Neither could the Giants for most of the time he was here. We had a good defense one of the four years he played here - but sure, he's certainly the missing link.
Some of these takes... oy vey.
I do think that we all recognize that Landon is very skilled and an excellent tackler. That ranking doesn't surprise me at all. The concern here was that he was poor in coverage and that our scheme needed something that...wasn't that. How have his cover skills been in the first 2 games? That doesn't show up in the tackle stats.
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that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
well he gave the Eagles a 4th round comp pick for Tate...so lets not make it like DG is a master here.
Smart move by DG
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that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
well he gave the Eagles a 4th round comp pick for Tate...so lets not make it like DG is a master here.
You also apparently don't understand how the formula works.
He didn't "give" the Eagles anything.
But for Collins it is an indicator of how good he is?
How good does Washington's D look with one of the highest priced defensive backfields in the NFL?
IIRC, they weren't even offered a 3rd from anyone - I believe it was a 4th.
But for Collins it is an indicator of how good he is?
How good does Washington's D look with one of the highest priced defensive backfields in the NFL?
9th in the NFL in tackles in 2 games... for the 30th ranked defense in football. This is supposed to tell us that Landon Collins is sorely missed.
I mean, there's reaching and then there's this. It's amazing, isn't it?
Also Gettleman never called him a problem to my recollection - that's people just stirring the pot. He's been pretty respectful of all the guys that have left individually, though he has made illusions to changing the culture (which I suspect is much more of a reflection of the Eli Apple/Snacks/Flowers group than LC).
Loved Collins as a Giant, wish we could have brought him back, but not at that contract (which he should be thanking DG for letting him get w/o franchise tag drama). I'll take the 3rd and cap room. If you go back 12-18 months I probably posted that I wanted him back or tagged so I guess that makes me a liar in his book too.
So this type of behavior - lack of professionalism - dealing with players is just par for the course. Gettleman is a bonafide jackass.
Regardless, what's done is done. Hopefully, he hasn't created enough stench around the organization that give free agents pause to come here.
Like we all know, Gettleman will be judged by two moves when the dust settles - the selection of Barkley and the selection of Jones.
I wonder who they were from and what they were for. First time I'd heard this rumor.
So this type of behavior - lack of professionalism - dealing with players is just par for the course. Gettleman is a bonafide jackass.
Regardless, what's done is done. Hopefully, he hasn't created enough stench around the organization that give free agents pause to come here.
Like we all know, Gettleman will be judged by two moves when the dust settles - the selection of Barkley and the selection of Jones.
There's no lack of surprise with this post - that's for sure.
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that Gettleman got exactly zero return for a 27-year-old pro bowl safety in the midst of an obvious rebuilding project.
Yes he was injured. You still couldn't franchise him and get at least a 5th or 6th back? Dumb.
I don't mind backslapping Gettleman for some of his draft picks, even though he's been picking pretty high. But some of his free agent moves have been really head scratching.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the comp pick formula. The Patriots have been utilizing this for years.
We didn't get "zero" for Collins.
well he gave the Eagles a 4th round comp pick for Tate...so lets not make it like DG is a master here.
Not that it matters in the context of this discussion as DG didnt know Tate would be suspended for 4 games; but I read somewhere the suspension does screw up the Eagles plan on getting a decent compensation pick for Tate
he has to do what's best for the Giants
many of you used to excoriate Reese for tipping his hand -- and yet there were players unhappy with him too -- like Shockey, like Strahan, like Osi --
this contract stuff is about jockeying for position -- you can't be showing your hand all the time
I think Collins is sour grapes because he didn't get what he wanted. By the way -- OBJ was sour grapes and he did get what he wanted. It all seems to point to the "bad culture" that was manifest here. A lot of young spoiled millionaire brats that find ways to feel disrespected because their ego didn't get stroked as part of a business decision. Sheesh!
There's a real lack of thick skin in all this, in my humble opinion, jstfu and grow a set
You should be more concerned with the fact that you've made determinations after just two games.
Awful take.
Collins is not worth the contract he got from the skins, good to not pay him that.
Collins led the giants defense to the only relevant Giants season in 6 years- people like to pretend 2016 didnt happen because the 2 best players were collins and obj and the coach everyone hates was actually great in key situations.
Gettleman is not a great communicator and its obvious a lot of ex players dont enjoy him- which as a fan who cares but it doesnt mean they are wrong on his personality.
gettleman has made some good decisions... and gettleman has made some bad decisions... jury is still out and dependent on Jones.
And I'll be honest,for a guy who wanted to remain a Giant this bad.Where we constantly gotta hear these type of comments.It sure didn't take long for him to sign with the team in which his childhood idol played for.That deal was done rather quickly.
He wouldn't give up a 4th to overpaid an at best mediocre Alec Ogletree. He wouldn't give Solder the highest paying contract for an LT.
BBI needs to stop the WWBD - because Belichick is in his own league. He's earned the right to be different, he's got the results to prove it.
Gettleman doesn't have to be best buds with these guys - but being straight up and telling someone they're out isn't too much to ask either.
No. BBI, the Giants, and every other team in the league NEEDS to say WWBD because "Belichick is in his own league". What's the argument here, we shouldn't try to do what works? He's gotten results BECAUSE he does it differently.
What I agree with you on is that he's earned the ability to get players cheaper than other teams because he wins. Therefore, he gets player's at a discount because they want to win. Bill isn't desperate for an ILB or LT. He's never desperate for any position because he's that good at what he does so he, again, doesn't have to overpay.
Giants/Gettleman didn't have much of a choice. They had an urgent need for a LT and had to quickly convert to a 3-4 without the players (LBs) to do so.
Zero return except for the a 3rd round draft choice and $84m in cap space.
2. He does one thing very well
3. Does anyone here think DG should have shelled out 84mil for a one dimensional player.
4. Collins should thank the DG for not franchising him
5. Collins is showing you why DG didn’t want to franchise him
6. Why can’t the young man move on. The Giants did (easily)