Other players released or traded by Gettleman over the years agree — Odell Beckham, Steve Smith, and especially Collins, who returns to MetLife Stadium in Week 4, for Washington’s game at the Giants.
As NBC Boston Sports' Tom Curran added, the Patriots made a solid offer last week that would have made Solder one of the highest-paid offensive tackles in the NFL. However, New England's offer was reportedly not equal to New York's so the three teams Solder is talking about might have been the Giants, the Houston Texans and the Cleveland Browns.
So the Pats were willing to make him “one of the highest paid tackles in football” yet they “weren’t willing to pay him” (your words) in your eyes? Haha. Classic. And I’m the one that is wrong here...
You keep pretending that the Pats made any concerted effort to bring this guy back, when 3 other teams are listed as the ones topping the bidding, and the article goes out of it's way to point out how heavily incentive based his contract was.
Only one dummy was willing to make Solder the highest paid OLT in the game, and he happens to be the same guy who gave OBJ a ton of money just to create a giant crater in their cap a few months later.
Did the Pats make him an offer that would have made him one of the highest paid tackles in football? Were there also multiple other teams competing for him? Simple answers. Yes or no. You hate Gettleman. We get it. Bringing up Beckham is completely fucking useless in this discussion. So because Beckham decided to double down on his nonsense after signing his contract, every move Gettleman makes is therefore terrible?
You didn’t like the hire and have been a miserable fuck ever since. Instead of making shit up like the Pats didn’t have any interest in bringing Solder back, maybe just take a break from the team? Gettleman will be gone soon and then you’ll have someone else to bitch about constantly. That’s the story of your miserable life.
the ratings are smaller questions like grading plays.
Ernie Banks started with the Patriots almost two decades ago to build value based systems. This data amongt a lot of other data is potentially useful within the spectrum of a value based or team construction analysis.
Regardless you are again trying to pull us away from the main point which is the Giants still don’t have people with the proper backgrounds to build good predictive systems like I posted in a different thread there are single members of the PFF team with far better qualifications than anyone in the Giants organization.
Christian pointed out on another thread that he knows the space well and PFF has made leaps. The issue is that we haven’t even started the process of building a team that can build advanced predictive systems and perhaps worse yet we aren’t evolving to integrate that information into our process in a unique way that could give us an advantage even if we were purchasing the best data. And that’s why you invest in these systems because they aren’t good overnight and even harder when your talent is inferior in number, experience and education.
Also just to point out where we are debating, on a thread where there is evidence of how poorly it goes for all parties involved when you challenge the all powerful DG. Especially after that quote bw posted can you honestly say that DG seems like a guy that knows how to foster real innovation?
The issue is that we haven’t even started the process of building a team that can build advanced predictive systems and perhaps worse yet we aren’t evolving to integrate that information into our process in a unique way that could give us an advantage even if we were purchasing the best data. And that’s why you invest in these systems because they aren’t good overnight and even harder when your talent is inferior in number, experience and education.
We have a team in place! And the offseason had several articles and mentions of how the Giants are integrating analytics into player selection for roster construction and in gameplay. But you keep beating the drum that because Tyseer Siam came from a healthcare background that he can't be part of a good analytics team. And you stick by it like a cluelessly ignorant moron.
You also said many times that Shurmur's in game decisions, specifically on 4th down showed a lack of grasping analytics. Guess what, Sherlock? This directly opposes your consistently shit take:
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How analytics have impacted the Giants' in-game strategy
There is also evidence to suggest the Giants have and continue to use analytics during their in-game process and not only in their roster-building strategy.
An analytical study pinpointed by Ben Baldwin on Twitter suggests the Giants were one of the most forward-thinking franchises in the NFL when it came to going for it on fourth down under head coach Pat Shurmur. The analytics dictate certain situations where the Giants and any other NFL offense should opt to go for it on fourth down. The Giants adhered to these analytics more than almost any NFL team in 2018.
Ex-Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers is in Washington, too, after Gettleman released him midway through last season. Flowers struggled with the Giants, so the move made sense. Flowers’ frustration with Gettleman actually stems from the GM not shipping him out sooner.
“I had actually been asking him [for clarity],” Flowers told NJ Advance Media “That was part of the reason why I didn’t go to [voluntary workouts in 2018]. I was looking for a fresh start. He had [trade] offers for me, and he didn’t want to take them. So he made me stay there, until finally I had a chance to go. I was mad about it, but it’s OK. I’m over it.”
So Gettleman actually had trade offers for Flowers, told Flowers that he was going to try and move him, but then ended up turning down all of those offers? That's amazing.
Where does it say he told Flowers something?
It's implied from Flowers' comment about asking for clarity. Seems that he was at least given the impression that Gettleman was trying to move him.
His reasons for missing voluntary workouts could very well be bullshit, but it's clear that he wanted to be traded and that he was expecting it to happen.
You don't often hear this many ex-players absolutely hate their former GM. One stop is maybe a bad situation, but this is his second stop as a GM and everyone on the way out has nothing but bad things to say about him.
For a guy wrapped around a pole about culture, maybe a good look at himself and how he treats people would be a good contribution.
I'm not going to pretend to know the inner workings of the Giants org. What I'd like to know is what value system output that paying and then kicking money to Solder, paying Jenkins 15M this year, paying Tate, paying Martin, Omameh, Stewart and paying Manning 23M to be a stop gap, were good decisions.
Spare me the "what other choice did they have," "shoring up the culture," "coach in the locker room," lines -- were those value based decisions?
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As NBC Boston Sports' Tom Curran added, the Patriots made a solid offer last week that would have made Solder one of the highest-paid offensive tackles in the NFL. However, New England's offer was reportedly not equal to New York's so the three teams Solder is talking about might have been the Giants, the Houston Texans and the Cleveland Browns.
So the Pats were willing to make him “one of the highest paid tackles in football” yet they “weren’t willing to pay him” (your words) in your eyes? Haha. Classic. And I’m the one that is wrong here...
You keep pretending that the Pats made any concerted effort to bring this guy back, when 3 other teams are listed as the ones topping the bidding, and the article goes out of it's way to point out how heavily incentive based his contract was.
Only one dummy was willing to make Solder the highest paid OLT in the game, and he happens to be the same guy who gave OBJ a ton of money just to create a giant crater in their cap a few months later.
Did the Pats make him an offer that would have made him one of the highest paid tackles in football? Were there also multiple other teams competing for him? Simple answers. Yes or no. You hate Gettleman. We get it. Bringing up Beckham is completely fucking useless in this discussion. So because Beckham decided to double down on his nonsense after signing his contract, every move Gettleman makes is therefore terrible?
You didn’t like the hire and have been a miserable fuck ever since. Instead of making shit up like the Pats didn’t have any interest in bringing Solder back, maybe just take a break from the team? Gettleman will be gone soon and then you’ll have someone else to bitch about constantly. That’s the story of your miserable life.
Ernie Banks started with the Patriots almost two decades ago to build value based systems. This data amongt a lot of other data is potentially useful within the spectrum of a value based or team construction analysis.
Regardless you are again trying to pull us away from the main point which is the Giants still don’t have people with the proper backgrounds to build good predictive systems like I posted in a different thread there are single members of the PFF team with far better qualifications than anyone in the Giants organization.
Christian pointed out on another thread that he knows the space well and PFF has made leaps. The issue is that we haven’t even started the process of building a team that can build advanced predictive systems and perhaps worse yet we aren’t evolving to integrate that information into our process in a unique way that could give us an advantage even if we were purchasing the best data. And that’s why you invest in these systems because they aren’t good overnight and even harder when your talent is inferior in number, experience and education.
Also just to point out where we are debating, on a thread where there is evidence of how poorly it goes for all parties involved when you challenge the all powerful DG. Especially after that quote bw posted can you honestly say that DG seems like a guy that knows how to foster real innovation?
We have a team in place! And the offseason had several articles and mentions of how the Giants are integrating analytics into player selection for roster construction and in gameplay. But you keep beating the drum that because Tyseer Siam came from a healthcare background that he can't be part of a good analytics team. And you stick by it like a cluelessly ignorant moron.
You also said many times that Shurmur's in game decisions, specifically on 4th down showed a lack of grasping analytics. Guess what, Sherlock? This directly opposes your consistently shit take:
There is also evidence to suggest the Giants have and continue to use analytics during their in-game process and not only in their roster-building strategy.
An analytical study pinpointed by Ben Baldwin on Twitter suggests the Giants were one of the most forward-thinking franchises in the NFL when it came to going for it on fourth down under head coach Pat Shurmur. The analytics dictate certain situations where the Giants and any other NFL offense should opt to go for it on fourth down. The Giants adhered to these analytics more than almost any NFL team in 2018.
The link to the full article is below. You might want to take a peek.
Giants Integrating Analytics - ( New Window )
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Ex-Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers is in Washington, too, after Gettleman released him midway through last season. Flowers struggled with the Giants, so the move made sense. Flowers’ frustration with Gettleman actually stems from the GM not shipping him out sooner.
“I had actually been asking him [for clarity],” Flowers told NJ Advance Media “That was part of the reason why I didn’t go to [voluntary workouts in 2018]. I was looking for a fresh start. He had [trade] offers for me, and he didn’t want to take them. So he made me stay there, until finally I had a chance to go. I was mad about it, but it’s OK. I’m over it.”
So Gettleman actually had trade offers for Flowers, told Flowers that he was going to try and move him, but then ended up turning down all of those offers? That's amazing.
Where does it say he told Flowers something?
It's implied from Flowers' comment about asking for clarity. Seems that he was at least given the impression that Gettleman was trying to move him.
His reasons for missing voluntary workouts could very well be bullshit, but it's clear that he wanted to be traded and that he was expecting it to happen.
For a guy wrapped around a pole about culture, maybe a good look at himself and how he treats people would be a good contribution.
I'm not going to pretend to know the inner workings of the Giants org. What I'd like to know is what value system output that paying and then kicking money to Solder, paying Jenkins 15M this year, paying Tate, paying Martin, Omameh, Stewart and paying Manning 23M to be a stop gap, were good decisions.
Spare me the "what other choice did they have," "shoring up the culture," "coach in the locker room," lines -- were those value based decisions?