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Shurmur cancels weekly spot with Francesa

ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:13 am
First Eli...now the coach. Seems like Mike is losing everyone in the organization after he has bashed them for the past year.
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RE: eric of bbi  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14588572 Even Numbers said:
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yeah but I still dont like the use of that word

GD - make some sense

I made plenty of sense. Everyone here, including you, knows exactly what I meant.

This'll be one of your shorter stints here.
RE: RE: This is an organization that blames the media  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14588588 eugibs said:
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Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games.
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The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well.
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detailed one-on-one interview
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I think you are being conned.


Their opinion of Eli and what they say publicly may be two different things. Just like every other professional sports team. Look at their actions not their words. They drafted a QB at 6.

The only people conned here are those that listened to their hearts not their eyes. The Giants were trying to be respectful to a Giant Icon and give him one more shot. The results weren't there and the business of the NFL is winning games.

Nothing about that interview was detailed. It was a disrespectful rant of gibberish and nothing was learned or gained - which is supposed to be the point of an interview.

The Giants showed class to their HC by not subjecting him to this ass clown any further.
RE: RE: This is an organization that blames the media  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14588588 eugibs said:
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In comment 14588515 twostepgiants said:


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With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli

Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs



Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).

The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?

If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.

Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.

I think it's largely irrelevant because Francesa is a joke and he's basically created an echo chamber with nothing but listeners who are not only as clueless as him, but more importantly, clueless enough to not realize how clueless he is.

There's not a single Giant alive that could get me to listen to Francesa.
Eric  
BeckShepEli : 9/19/2019 7:14 pm : link
You should really not be dropping the “R” word like that. You might have a perfect family but tons of family in this world who have people who suffer with family members that have Down Syndrome, Autism and other issues and the Retarded word is a discriminating word against those people.

You’re better then that and don’t come back with a snarky response. Just accept it was the wrong word to use.
To rub it in on Mike,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/19/2019 7:16 pm : link
the Giants should put Shurmur on Joe and Evan. Yes, Joe and Evan are Jets fans. But they're always fair with the Giants and don't shit on them just to shit on them like Mike does these days. And with Joe and Evan interviewing Giants coaches/players, at least we will actually get to hear our players and coaches speak and answer the questions. Unlike Mike who just speaks over his guests all the time.
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Eman11 : 9/19/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14588557 Gatorade Dunk said:
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.



No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.

He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.


I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.


No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.
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Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14588681 Eman11 said:
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.



No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.

He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.


I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.



No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.

If you were here for the epic asshat meltdown of 2Q19, you'd have read the painstaking detail (literally) of the timing for when Eli notified Mike that he wasn't doing his weekly appearance this year. It was before the draft.

Don't take Mike's word for it - his version is purely self-serving.
RE: twostepgiants  
GF1080 : 9/19/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14588534 Eric from BBI said:
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The beat reporters who cover the team don't seem to agree with you. Many of them tweeted out this morning that they were pretty appalled.


You've been killing the Giants beat reporters for a long time around here but now since they agree with your narrative you agree with them. Two step giants nailed it on this one.
High pockets has jumped the shark - about 5 years ago  
GiantsUA : 9/19/2019 8:24 pm : link
I do enjoy the horrible Long Beach accent.
I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 8:44 pm : link
How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
RE: I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14588818 dannyman3131 said:
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.

He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Not a big Francesa fan but I didn’t hear too much to get  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 9:16 pm : link
so bent out of shape about. A comment or two that you would say that hurts but not out of bounds. Seems like Two Steps and eugibs have the right sentiment.

You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...they’re playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.

Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.

So the team improves...

RE: RE: I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14588858 Gatorade Dunk said:
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.


He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.



Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.
jeez  
AndyMilligan : 9/19/2019 9:19 pm : link
fuck that jerk Francesa. What a loudmouth he is. Why does anybody listen to him.
RE: RE: RE: I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14588877 dannyman3131 said:
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.


He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.




Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.

The guy is a glorified podcaster at this point, and one who failed in that endeavor. I stand by my echo chamber comment above and have no problem pointing out to any of his listeners how they're more than likely going to prove my point.

No one with a brain gives a shit about Francesa, and it's certainly not Francesa's God-given right to get guests, especially when his interviewing skills have eroded even faster than his ratings.
RE: Not a big Francesa fan but I didn’t hear too much to get  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14588874 Jimmy Googs said:
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so bent out of shape about. A comment or two that you would say that hurts but not out of bounds. Seems like Two Steps and eugibs have the right sentiment.

You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...they’re playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.

Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.

So the team improves...

I agree with this sentiment in general, but I don't think it applies with Francesa. He absolutely does have a vendetta because the Giants played him like a fool at draft time and exposed that he has no connections in the league anymore.
Maybe so but what was the worst thing he said  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 10:00 pm : link
in that interview spot?
Francesca's timing of that interview is suspect. You going to kill  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:04 pm : link
the guy after two games in a rebuilding year with a young defense with a ton of new pieces and antique at QB? I can see asking all these tough questions near the end of the year, but da pope has an ax to grind because he's a petulant child.
RE: Francesca's timing of that interview is suspect. You going to kill  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14588937 Zeke's Alibi said:
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the guy after two games in a rebuilding year with a young defense with a ton of new pieces and antique at QB? I can see asking all these tough questions near the end of the year, but da pope has an ax to grind because he's a petulant child.


rebuilding year?? We were told by the GM that they will win while rebuilding. This organization is the worst in the league and the folks that want to focus on Francesa are just taking the cheese. Shurmur is a big part of the problem. Also, dealing with the media is a part of his job and not just the beat reporters that need these guys to put food on their table and can't challenge them.
RE: Maybe so but what was the worst thing he said  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14588934 Jimmy Googs said:
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in that interview spot?

I don't know - I don't listen to him.
Lol the GMs job isn't to tell the truth to the media.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:38 pm : link
Waaaaaaaaah DG lied to us, you sound just like fat Mike.
RE: Lol the GMs job isn't to tell the truth to the media.  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14588984 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Waaaaaaaaah DG lied to us, you sound just like fat Mike.


You're a fool. The team is a train-wreck and you completely miss the point and are still focused on Mike. Also, you said it was a rebuilding year and they are only two games in...wrong... the GM said they could win with this team. He and his terrible coach should face the consequences of failing miserably.
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Micko : 9/19/2019 11:00 pm : link
To each his own I guess but I heard the interview live and thought it was outrageous. Way out of line.
RE: .....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14589009 Micko said:
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To each his own I guess but I heard the interview live and thought it was outrageous. Way out of line.


What were the worst examples in your view?
GD  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:23 pm : link
For a guy "who do not listen to Mike" you confidently seem to justify talking about him a bunch here on this thread and know a whole lot of what he has to say.

Did he hurt you or something? Why dont you call him up and tell him how much he stinks? You sound like you are 14.
GD is wrong, big surprise  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:28 pm : link
Eli canceled his show with Mike after the draft and the Giants made the Jones pick
RE: GD  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14589026 Even Numbers said:
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For a guy "who do not listen to Mike" you confidently seem to justify talking about him a bunch here on this thread and know a whole lot of what he has to say.

Did he hurt you or something? Why dont you call him up and tell him how much he stinks? You sound like you are 14.

You guessed it, I'm 14.

Why wouldn't I be confident in talking about him? It's not like I've never listened to him - but like any sane, intelligent human, I realized that he's just another talking head that likes the sound of his own voice. I consider it a PSA to remind people that he's an idiot in case there are some who still consider him in any way credible.

In any case, since I expect you'll be gone soon, happy trails.
RE: GD  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14589026 Even Numbers said:
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For a guy "who do not listen to Mike" you confidently seem to justify talking about him a bunch here on this thread and know a whole lot of what he has to say.

Did he hurt you or something? Why dont you call him up and tell him how much he stinks? You sound like you are 14.


I take it you chose 14 because it’s divisible by 2...?
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:43 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:44 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:44 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:45 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
What are we debating here?  
AcesUp : 9/19/2019 11:53 pm : link
Francesa is a cartoon character. He pulled a giant cartoon mallet out on our coach and giant cartoon anvil fell on his head. Enjoy the show.
RE: GD is wrong, big surprise  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14589030 Even Numbers said:
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Eli canceled his show with Mike after the draft and the Giants made the Jones pick


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Less than 24 hours after the Giants drafted Eli Manning's eventual successor, Mike Francesa made a dramatic, on-air announcement that the Giants quarterback would no longer be doing his weekly radio spot on his WFAN show. Those two things, he said, were directly related - a sign of Manning's unhappiness about what the Giants just did.

But that doesn't appear to be the case at all.

The Giants actually told WFAN weeks ago that Manning was no longer interested in doing his weekly appearance, according to a source familiar with the situation, and it apparently had nothing to do with the Giants' draft plans. He has been doing a weekly radio appearance for his entire 15-year career, and simply wasn't interested in doing it anymore.

Wanna keep going? I promise you, you're out of your depth here.

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And there you are. You actually belive that?  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 2:07 pm : link
Ok, I know this routine. When dealing with people like you, pause and play it through.

First thing. Ralph Vacchiano is scum. You sending me his words is a joke right there and then.

"Source familiar with the situation" literally means nothing to me. Sorry, I don't quote garbage ass journalism with vague bullshit like "sources" when a source wasn't mentioned. Quit being a joke and name your source.

What producing physical evidence do you have that would make have in waiting weeks to announce Eli would not be coming on after the show? If that makes me a bitch, okay. Don't get on my bad side and choose wisely.


I'm just trying to figure out why Mike would wait and tell. Wouldn't it be Mike's interest to say it right away saying how he has contacts? Could it be that SNY and those idiots are motivated by public affairs? You tell me, GD.
RE: And there you are. You actually belive that?  
figgy2989 : 9/20/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14589796 Even Numbers said:
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Don't get on my bad side and choose wisely.


So if there is any statistical data that includes a 1, 3, 5, 7 or 9, would that constitute getting on your bad side?
RE: And there you are. You actually belive that?  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14589796 Even Numbers said:
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Ok, I know this routine. When dealing with people like you, pause and play it through.

First thing. Ralph Vacchiano is scum. You sending me his words is a joke right there and then.

"Source familiar with the situation" literally means nothing to me. Sorry, I don't quote garbage ass journalism with vague bullshit like "sources" when a source wasn't mentioned. Quit being a joke and name your source.

What producing physical evidence do you have that would make have in waiting weeks to announce Eli would not be coming on after the show? If that makes me a bitch, okay. Don't get on my bad side and choose wisely.


I'm just trying to figure out why Mike would wait and tell. Wouldn't it be Mike's interest to say it right away saying how he has contacts? Could it be that SNY and those idiots are motivated by public affairs? You tell me, GD.

Don't get on your bad side? I couldn't give half a fuck which of your sides I'm on. You'll be off this board by the end of the weekend.
francessa crossed the line with the giants a long time ago...  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 2:46 pm : link
this is just the latest installment. In life repercussions for bad behavior generally escalate. Now the QB's(note daniel jones won't go on with fatso either, way too burn bridges long term idiot), the HC and the GM won't go on air with him.

There was a time, not too long ago, when Mike and the Mad Dog were must listen talk radio for a NY fan in multiple sports. It's sad to see the degeneration into a caricature the show has become. No one has a problem with hard questions. Shurmur didn't. Until his 'host' denied him a fair hearing by stifling his replies with bombastic ranting. At one point he calmly asked to be given an opportunity to respond. And somewhat shockingly to me still wasn't. That was going too far. As he did by calling DG a liar for playing his franchise plans(which noone outside the organization has a right to) close to the vest.

Unfortunately it mirrors the state of journalism in general. Get it right has become get it first and accuracy be damned. A mindset to report the facts replaced by a self serving hyperbolic narrative. As a a consumer I don't trust anyone in the media today. I seek out unfiltered data and frame my world view accordingly.
But to answer your question  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 3:03 pm : link
and I'll try to keep this simple for you...

Mike had no reason to announce it when he was notified before the draft - Eli's spots were in the fall, so he had plenty of time to announce it when he chose to. Obviously, losing a high profile regular guest like Eli is not a good look for Mike, so as soon as he saw the chance to link it with a scenario that he was already annoyed made him look bad (that he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions), he jumped on it to reinforce how much the Giants had screwed Eli with their choice of DJ. Francesa is nothing if not opportunistic.

Don't want to believe me? How about Mike himself?
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That was backed up by the Giants - I was told that by Mark Chernoff last Monday ("last Monday" in this quote is referring to April 22, three days before the draft), and I went up with it before the draft, which infuriated the Giants. ... It has everything to do with Eli did not know if he was confident enough he was going to finish the season, and he thought it would be embarrassing to have to answer questions about the quarterback every week while being the backup quarterback at the end of his career. He did not want to be put in that position."

I stand by my point that his listeners are clueless enough to give him any credibility, and I thank you for proving my point. I hope that didn't land me on your bad side, internet tough guy.
Here's the article itself  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 3:04 pm : link
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RE: Knineteen  
Knineteen : 9/20/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14588332 Eric from BBI said:
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I know you've been trying really hard for the last five years at work, but you're just not doing as well as your other co-workers.

So instead of asking you what is going on, or suggesting ways to improve and then observe your reaction, I'm just going to call you a loser to your face.

Loser.

Yes, that is exactly how the real world works. And if I'm deficient in certain areas because of the action (or lack of action) by my co-workers, then I make that known.

Listen, I think sports interviews are stupid to begin with but the constant banal dribble spurted out by this organization got old years ago.
GD I dont understand why you so mad though lol  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 6:37 pm : link
You are proof that you are being manipulated through ways of the other side who dont like mike. Keep running that joke game though.
He wrong though?  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 6:43 pm : link
Francesca, incidentally, hammered the Giants for their decision to draft Jones, calling them a "joke" and saying "The Giants, in a word folks, have become sad - a sad, chronic, losing organization." He also tweeted that the Giants "sold everybody a bunch of garbage" by claiming they were interested in winning, and then drafting Jones, and that it "proved that the Giants are completely lost."
"Hard to say," Francesa also tweeted, "the Giants have become a total joke."
'by claiming they were interested in winning'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 6:59 pm : link
Can you please list for us the sports franchises that publicly embrace a disinterest in winning? Francessa is so upset by this it must be a common credo. No? What a joke.
RE: GD I dont understand why you so mad though lol  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14590080 Even Numbers said:
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You are proof that you are being manipulated through ways of the other side who dont like mike. Keep running that joke game though.

Oooh, that joke game. You got me good!

I'm sorry that your life is whatever it must be that repeatedly creating new handles to troll a fucking message board appears to be something from which you derive enjoyment.
RE: 'by claiming they were interested in winning'  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14590098 Torrag said:
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Can you please list for us the sports franchises that publicly embrace a disinterest in winning? Francessa is so upset by this it must be a common credo. No? What a joke.


Bengals
GD. So anyone who disagrees with you  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 7:29 pm : link
...is therefore a troll? How haughty can you be? Cute. I got you.

Sounds a wee-bit childish on your end. Today must be your first day outside of YOUR echo-chamber doors where anyone who dares to against the mighty GD, you then call names. Over a glorified game of catch lol. Keep that same energy though, man.
RE: GD. So anyone who disagrees with you  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14590130 Even Numbers said:
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...is therefore a troll? How haughty can you be? Cute. I got you.

Sounds a wee-bit childish on your end. Today must be your first day outside of YOUR echo-chamber doors where anyone who dares to against the mighty GD, you then call names. Over a glorified game of catch lol. Keep that same energy though, man.

No, not anyone. Just you, buttercup.
I just think its funny  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 8:55 pm : link
you do more name calling, with the looks of homophobic indirect. You are a teenager, GD.
Not that you understand this anyway  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 8:57 pm : link
but Francesa stated on his most recent show that he believed Eli saw this coming for weeks before the draft.
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