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Shurmur cancels weekly spot with Francesa

ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:13 am
First Eli...now the coach. Seems like Mike is losing everyone in the organization after he has bashed them for the past year.
Well for anyone who heard that interview on Monday  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 10:15 am : link
This shouldn't come as a surprise. Mike lit him up and wouldn't let him answer any of his questions.

For whatever monetary amount he was getting for doing these weekly shows, it couldn't be worth it.

There is more to this story...has to be  
Chris684 : 9/19/2019 10:15 am : link
Francesa has LOVED the New York Giants as an organization over the years.

You can't tell me this is all just because they took a quarterback in the draft.
Surprised it lasted this long.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2019 10:16 am : link
Mike just wants to tawk Yanks bullpen arms anyway.
Can..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/19/2019 10:16 am : link
we get the same entertainment value from this that we did when Eli cancelled????
Weak from Shurmur  
Oscar : 9/19/2019 10:16 am : link
Take your lumps, itís a big boy job.
RE: Can..  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14587524 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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we get the same entertainment value from this that we did when Eli cancelled????


You better believe come 3PM today, Mike is going to go on a long epilogue of Giants bashing.
Good move by Shurmur  
gmenatlarge : 9/19/2019 10:17 am : link
who gives a shit about Francesa, focus on the team and the new QB, that's enough on his plate.
Nevermind  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 10:17 am : link
You meant on BBI! Sorry, misread it.
Its one thing to be a tough interview  
Metnut : 9/19/2019 10:18 am : link
Francessa used to actually be good at this a while ago. Its a whole other thing to completely just run over and yell at the interviewee and not let the interviewee answer questions.

DG and PS havn't exactly lit things on fire since coming here, but it's not productive for NYG to have our coach come on the air and get destroyed by Francessa each week.
Oscar  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:18 am : link
that's bullshit. Mike has trashed the GM and the owner repeatedly. Why would you give Mike that time of day if you worked for those people?
Don't blame him....Mike has been bashing this new regime just because  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
they cut off his access.
I'm sure Da Pope  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
will react calmly & reasonably to this news...
Shurmur  
MookGiants : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
is nothing short of a total disaster as a head coach. Hopefully the Giants arent dumb enough to bring him back. Then again they did hire him in the first place.
Mike crossed the line  
ron mexico : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
Who was that guy that had an asshat meltdown with Eric  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
on Francesa and the Eli spot
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
RE: There is more to this story...has to be  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14587522 Chris684 said:
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Francesa has LOVED the New York Giants as an organization over the years.

You can't tell me this is all just because they took a quarterback in the draft.


Francesa loved them because Parcells gave him tons of access and that continued throughout the years.
RE: I'm sure Da Pope  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14587544 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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will react calmly & reasonably to this news...


Lol.
Its one thing to ask tough questions but Francessa  
Blue Dream : 9/19/2019 10:20 am : link
Was just railing one him telling him how much his team sucked, he wasn't even asking questions. Very unprofessional, don't blame him one bit
On the one hand, I applaud Shurmur for sticking it to Mike  
Essex : 9/19/2019 10:21 am : link
because he is such a blowhard who is so bad at his job that the mere fact that he criticizes other people at their jobs is hypocritical to me. And, of course, what is the point of going on if he is just going to be a prop for Mike to scream at.

On the other hand, I do agree that to cancel now seems weak. After all, it is no surprise who Francesca is and that he has this new vendetta against the Giants. The fact that you signed up for it, had to mean you knew what you were getting into. To walk away now, is just petty and weak.

RE: Who was that guy that had an asshat meltdown with Eric  
Chef : 9/19/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14587548 V.I.G. said:
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on Francesa and the Eli spot

Think it was jtgiants
RE: Don't blame him....Mike has been bashing this new regime just because  
MookGiants : 9/19/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14587543 Zeke's Alibi said:
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they cut off his access.


Maybe thats part of it, but this regime has been a shit show. They should be bashed in the media
Mook  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:23 am : link
Gettleman was coming off a 3-13 season that he had absolutely, unequivocally, nothing to do with. The entire locker room was a shitshow.

They won 5 games in their first year and were a lot more competitive. Let's see where it goes from here.
They deserve criticism but Mike is a total fraud.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2019 10:24 am : link
He's harsher on the Giants and their front office - who have two Super Bowls in the past 12 years - than he is on the Knicks and their front office, who have been a dumpster fire for 20 years. All because Jimmy Dolan gives him good seats to concerts at MSG.
RE: Mook  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14587570 ryanmkeane said:
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They won 5 games in their first year and were a lot more competitive. Let's see where it goes from here.


That's looking like fool's gold at this point.
This is one of those "a pox on all their houses" situations  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 10:26 am : link
I've never thought Francesa was anything but an arrogant blowhard, so I don't mind seeing him brought down a few pegs. On the other hand, everything about the Giants is a disaster.
.  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2019 10:28 am : link
The biggest thing this regime is going to be judged on is Jones. And that part of it is TBD.

If Jones is legit - the QB is in place, there's an elite RB still on a rookie contract, there's a lot of cap space opening up and more draft choices to improve the team with. Not a terrible spot to be in.

If Jones bombs, the team shows no improvement, and continues to look like a dumpster fire, then yeah... we're in terribly deep shit.

But for better or worse, what Daniel Jones becomes is going to be the thing these guys are either lauded for or destroyed for.

The clock starts Sunday.
TTH  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:29 am : link
they've played two games, and now have a new QB. It's why you judge the GM on full seasons.
is there a link  
cjac : 9/19/2019 10:30 am : link
to the full interview from this past Monday?
Francesa  
rocco8112 : 9/19/2019 10:30 am : link
is an arrogant blowhard, I would say it was part of his act, but it likely is his true personality.

This is too bad as I like the Eli and HC spots. Seems weak too, the last interview was not that bad. Shu

McAdoo canceled too, this is the second coach in a row.
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/19/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14587587 arcarsenal said:
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The biggest thing this regime is going to be judged on is Jones. And that part of it is TBD.

If Jones is legit - the QB is in place, there's an elite RB still on a rookie contract, there's a lot of cap space opening up and more draft choices to improve the team with. Not a terrible spot to be in.

If Jones bombs, the team shows no improvement, and continues to look like a dumpster fire, then yeah... we're in terribly deep shit.

But for better or worse, what Daniel Jones becomes is going to be the thing these guys are either lauded for or destroyed for.

The clock starts Sunday.


Amen brother. 4:05 Sunday can't come soon enough.
This comes off as soft  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2019 10:31 am : link
And coincidently right after he called out Gettleman and Mara for not speaking.
RE: Weak from Shurmur  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14587527 Oscar said:
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Take your lumps, itís a big boy job.


and the winner of the dumbest comment today...
Francesa is jusg looking for headlines at this point  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2019 10:33 am : link
he gets no ratings anymore and he is basically a joke at this point..

and lets be fair gettleman has rebuilt the offensive line, drafted a hall of fame runnjng back, his draft picks albeit very early have contributed except for 2..

If jones becomes the next franchise qb he succesfully helped the team for the next 15 years...

team is very young on defense..

Franfesa is butthurt because he had no idea who the giants were taking
So they draft the highest rated player ever  
RollBlue : 9/19/2019 10:34 am : link
due to picking second, have a relatively WR group (that was decimated by week 5 in the 3-13 year), sign a LT to record money, trade for a starting LB, the best they can do is 5-11 and that's called progress?
RE: Mike crossed the line  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.


Thatís not a fair question?

Players get similar questions from media when theyíre playing bad and we expect them to stand up there and answer them.
RE: RE: Who was that guy that had an asshat meltdown with Eric  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14587560 Chef said:
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In comment 14587548 V.I.G. said:


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on Francesa and the Eli spot


Think it was jtgiants
Right!
RE: Francesa is jusg looking for headlines at this point  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14587602 nygiants16 said:
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and lets be fair gettleman has rebuilt the offensive line, drafted a hall of fame runnjng back, his draft picks albeit very early have contributed except for 2..


The offensive line is improved. I wouldn't say it qualifies as above average. Solder is 31 and massively overpaid. Remmers is 30 and has a history of back problems. Zeitler was a good pickup but is 29. Halapio is 28 and has barely played before this season. It's not exactly built for the long haul.
After Monday  
jeff57 : 9/19/2019 10:37 am : link
That's no surprise.
Nobody should really have an issue with this.  
Brown Recluse : 9/19/2019 10:40 am : link
1. He's not contractually obligated to do it.

2. Francesa is a crybaby idiot who knows nothing about football and doesn't let anyone speak anyway.

The more people ignore Francesa, the more likely he'll finally go away.
Not really relevant but  
Blue Dream : 9/19/2019 10:40 am : link
interesting nonetheless, Tom Coughlin had done a weekly Monday Spot with Francessa and Russo from when he took over right up to week two in 2007, and discontinued it after starting 0-2. I think some good things followed. I don't think their was this kind of animosity back then though.
Francessa is such an ass  
Heisenberg : 9/19/2019 10:40 am : link
I don't blame Shurmur.
Why would he go on after this? - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Francesa is jusg looking for headlines at this point  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14587606 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14587602 nygiants16 said:


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and lets be fair gettleman has rebuilt the offensive line, drafted a hall of fame runnjng back, his draft picks albeit very early have contributed except for 2..



The offensive line is improved. I wouldn't say it qualifies as above average. Solder is 31 and massively overpaid. Remmers is 30 and has a history of back problems. Zeitler was a good pickup but is 29. Halapio is 28 and has barely played before this season. It's not exactly built for the long haul.


it is at least good for the next 4 years, i expect the future right tackle drafted this year
RE: RE: Mike crossed the line  
Essex : 9/19/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14587604 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:


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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.



Thatís not a fair question?

Players get similar questions from media when theyíre playing bad and we expect them to stand up there and answer them.

I don't think that is a fair question, tbh (and I am not a fan of Shurmur). Whatever the situation is, he is here and the point of these interviews are to get information for the fans about how things are going to improve. We all know his record and Mike can easily say without Shurmur there that he is a bad coach based on his record. Obviosuly, Shurmur thinks he can get the job done and to belittle him to his face really is not the point of the interview. If you want to as DG or John Mara that question, its fair, but to say to a coach your record stinks so why should we have faith in you is really not a constructive question designed to get your listener's information. It is, however, a good question if you want fireworks and ratings, which might be Mike's aim (considering that he is now in a dogfight with Kaye).
RE: Weak from Shurmur  
djm : 9/19/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14587527 Oscar said:
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Take your lumps, itís a big boy job.


Why? He doesnít have to go on anyoneís show.
Francesa came  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/19/2019 10:42 am : link
across on Monday as a Giants fan who lost money betting on the Giants. He wasn't professional. I get he has a job to do, but there needs to be some form of professionalism.
I think the question  
jeff57 : 9/19/2019 10:42 am : link
About why Shurmur thought he was the right man for the job given his overall record as a head coach was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Shurmur/Giants  
bigbluehoya : 9/19/2019 10:43 am : link
Should immediately turn around and tell Chernoff that theyíll gladly do the weekly spot with Roberts or one of the other hosts worth a damn.

Eli was right to cancel his spot due to the situation.

And Shurmur was right to cancel his because Mike is just an absolute clown, ratings or no ratings.
One of the knocks on Shurmur coming into this job  
Oscar : 9/19/2019 10:43 am : link
Was heís overly sensitive to whatís said about him and not great with the media in general. I think itís a pretty low bar for the head coach of the New York Giants to go on the radio for 15 minutes a week and deal with some criticism.

Pat Shurmur is 5-13 with the Giants, 15-36 for his career. Why does he deserve the kid gloves treatment? The team he coaches is terrible, bottom of the league.

Iím sure heíd go on Mikeís show if he was 2-0 this season, 13-5 with the Giants, 36-15 for his career. If you canít take criticism youíre in the wrong line of work. And if he wants softball questions or positivity he should do a better job coaching the team.

My only fear with DJ starting is that he saves this dopeís job.
the Giants are buffoons  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 10:44 am : link
but Francesa is hardly the good guy here. Especially after the Ballentine stuff.
Shurmur should go on  
GiantJake : 9/19/2019 10:45 am : link
Francesca is a blowhard. Shurmur should take his lumps but also say that he is unaware of Mike's credentials or credibility when it comes to being an NFL coach or GM. Ask Mike how he has handled being a head coach and transitioning from a beloved franchise QB to a new, young QB. Point out that it's really easy to sit back and point fingers when you have never done the job and will never be remotely qualified to do the job. Anyone can be a critic. Mike and his fellow talking heads are wrong all the time. Nobody is keeping score on them. They flip flop from day to day and their jobs are really just speculation and uneducated gossip. If Mike wants to be combative, game on.
the front office is a joke  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/19/2019 10:45 am : link
they deserve to get lit up. They pandered to the small minority of people (some on this site) who were so delusional to think that "retooling" behind a qb whose skills have eroded over the past 3 years was a great organizational strategy
No one who's been treated that way would continue going on his show  
Ira : 9/19/2019 10:46 am : link
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RE: the Giants are buffoons  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14587635 Enzo said:
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but Francesa is hardly the good guy here. Especially after the Ballentine stuff.

+1
RE: RE: Mike crossed the line  
ron mexico : 9/19/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14587604 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:


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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.



Thatís not a fair question?

Players get similar questions from media when theyíre playing bad and we expect them to stand up there and answer them.


There is a subtle difference between something like "tell me what went wrong on this play" or "what do you need to do to improve"

and

"You have never shown that you belong in the league, why do you think you deserve a roster spot let alone to start"
Wait.  
batman11 : 9/19/2019 10:48 am : link
Francessa is back on the air again?
Shurmur may have been told by ownership to dump Francesa  
GeofromNJ : 9/19/2019 10:55 am : link
If so, don't call Shurmur weak. After all, the intent of media access is to sell tickets, a project which is not on the plate of the coaching staff.
RE: the Giants are buffoons  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14587635 Enzo said:
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but Francesa is hardly the good guy here. Especially after the Ballentine stuff.


That's a fair take
Let's not pretend this is limited to the Giants either.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2019 10:55 am : link
Does Francesa have any regular guests at this point? The Mets and Jets blew him off years ago (remember Revis hanging up on him?), he's had issues with every Giant player/coach over the years, Phil Simms used to be a regular but not anymore, he had some falling out with Parcells, he chased Mad Dog to Sirius, everyone at WFAN hates him - he's clearly a toxic personality. I think Jim Nantz and ARod still give him the time of day, but that won't last either.
RE: Let's not pretend this is limited to the Giants either.  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14587667 bceagle05 said:
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Does Francesa have any regular guests at this point? The Mets and Jets blew him off years ago (remember Revis hanging up on him?), he's had issues with every Giant player/coach over the years, Phil Simms used to be a regular but not anymore, he had some falling out with Parcells, he chased Mad Dog to Sirius, everyone at WFAN hates him - he's clearly a toxic personality. I think Jim Nantz and ARod still give him the time of day, but that won't last either.


arod has slowly stopped with francesa and given more access to kay
Typical Mara business  
arniefez : 9/19/2019 10:56 am : link
right in character with everything Wellington and John have done for the past 50 + years.

The son of the guy who used to measure the column inches in the NY Times to see if the Jets were getting more and then complain tot he sports editor didn't fall far from the tree.

It's no fun seeing the Giants lose and get humiliated year after year. I saw that enough 40 plus years ago. But I'm not surprised.

If Mike wants to talk to the players or the coach  
Heisenberg : 9/19/2019 10:57 am : link
he can drag his fat ass to the pressers they do. He's not entitled to special access to the coach or players.
Shurmur  
UConn4523 : 9/19/2019 10:57 am : link
wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.
RE: Mike crossed the line  
Tesla : 9/19/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.


Agree 100%. That wasn't a question seeking a legit answer, it was a direct attack on Shurmur. Don't blame him for cancelling one bit after that.

Why go on some guys show who's essentially calling you an f'ing loser to your face.
RE: I think the question  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14587627 jeff57 said:
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About why Shurmur thought he was the right man for the job given his overall record as a head coach was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I think it either broke the camel's back or his rant yesterday highlighted that post the switch, the heat was only going up.

Giants probably blessed Shurmur telling Mike to fukk off.
RE: Shurmur  
ron mexico : 9/19/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14587677 UConn4523 said:
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wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.


Out of curiosity, how much do you think these guys get paid to do it?

Its gotta be a couple grand at least a pop to make it worth their while.
The only winner in this situation  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/19/2019 11:04 am : link
is Eric From BBI. He's seeing dollar signs down the road.

Months from now, jtgiants will come back on a dupe and cite the REAL reason why Shurmur left. A lot of traffic will be driven to the site because of it. Win-Win.
This is a no-brainer - you go on the show  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/19/2019 11:06 am : link
Coughlin used to get similar treatment by Dog while Francesa played good cop. Tom never ducked.

There's a lack of credibility surrounding the Giants right now, and stuff like this doesn't help. They can't alter the reality that they have been a subpar organization for 6-7 years.

Maybe Mara should take the interview and tell Mike to cut the shit on air - people would have a lot more respect for that.
RE: This is a no-brainer - you go on the show  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14587701 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Coughlin used to get similar treatment by Dog while Francesa played good cop. Tom never ducked.

There's a lack of credibility surrounding the Giants right now, and stuff like this doesn't help. They can't alter the reality that they have been a subpar organization for 6-7 years.

Maybe Mara should take the interview and tell Mike to cut the shit on air - people would have a lot more respect for that.


It's not a no-brainer.

There's no reason whatsoever why the HC or the Giants organization should feel obligated to cater to fucking Mike Francesa.

Especially not when he's crossing the line with the questions he's asking and not even allowing the guy to answer half of the others because he's too busy screaming over him.

The Giants do not owe Mike Francesa anything.

Zero, Zilch, Nada.
Who is giving the PR advice to this franchise?  
RDJR : 9/19/2019 11:11 am : link
You are never going to win a public relations battle with a media outlet. MF is as arrogant of a media personality as there is, but where do you draw the line as a franchise? After all, how many here will tune in today to hear MFís reaction? Exactly what he wants. So when the NFL Network or ESPN become critical (they already have) is the team going to refuse to talk to those NFL media partners? This is a slippery slope and the league is only in business because of the fans. Iím going to spend almost $1000 to go to Tampa this weekend to see the Giants. I want the team I root for to have to answer questions. They are in business to entertain. Interacting with the media is part of the business, this isnít war and peace, itís football. We can all turn it off or turn the dial if we donít want to listen and donít like the host. Horrible precedent and approach.
Francesa is now a parody of himself, he's just an idiot  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2019 11:12 am : link
As mentioned above, Shurmur is not the first player/coach to pull out. Its a trend that has been going on for a while. I am glad he did this, and I don't particularly even like Shurmur (who I think comes over as a condescending dick).

I don't believe just because you are a member of the media you should get what you want, or be able to say/lie whenever you feel like it. Where is the responsibility on the meida side (this is a general media statement not specific to the NFL). Francesa should just quit again.
RE: Not really relevant but  
shyster : 9/19/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14587618 Blue Dream said:
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interesting nonetheless, Tom Coughlin had done a weekly Monday Spot with Francessa and Russo from when he took over right up to week two in 2007, and discontinued it after starting 0-2. I think some good things followed. I don't think their was this kind of animosity back then though.


You sure about the timing of that? According to the link, TC canceled his spot in 2007 in March, way before the season, because he wanted it on Thursdays rather than Mondays.

And he did a number of interviews with Francesa in following years.

TC cancels - ( New Window )
Francessa was a complete ass...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:16 am : link
in the interview. And while I understand why Shurmur would stop, the better move is to show up and deal with The Dope.

Take the high road. Be the bigger person (figuratively, of course). But don't take you ball and go home because things are getting uncomfortable. It's a bad look from Jints Central as they keep trying to run away and hide.

This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.

RE: Who is giving the PR advice to this franchise?  
ATL_Giants : 9/19/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14587715 RDJR said:
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interacting with the media is part of the business, this isnít war and peace, itís football. Horrible precedent and approach.

I don't know man. When no sports teams want to even talk to Francesa, it's time to get a new media contact to interact with.
RE: RE: Shurmur  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14587690 ron mexico said:
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wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.



Out of curiosity, how much do you think these guys get paid to do it?

Its gotta be a couple grand at least a pop to make it worth their while.

Eli's deal was supposedly in the low six figures.
Why Is This Such a BFD?  
clatterbuck : 9/19/2019 11:20 am : link
Francesa is an overblown, pompous asshole. Shurmur has no contractual obligation to do the show. Why should he subject himself to the harangues. And why do Giants fans care?
RE: Francessa was a complete ass...  
Les in TO : 9/19/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14587729 bw in dc said:
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in the interview. And while I understand why Shurmur would stop, the better move is to show up and deal with The Dope.

Take the high road. Be the bigger person (figuratively, of course). But don't take you ball and go home because things are getting uncomfortable. It's a bad look from Jints Central as they keep trying to run away and hide.

This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
disagree - itís one thing if itís an interview with tough questions but another thing if itís being berated and disrespected by the host.
RE: RE: Who is giving the PR advice to this franchise?  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14587730 ATL_Giants said:
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interacting with the media is part of the business, this isnít war and peace, itís football. Horrible precedent and approach.


I don't know man. When no sports teams want to even talk to Francesa, it's time to get a new media contact to interact with.


Shurmur interacts with the media every day, this isn't about that. Its about one ass named Francesa who doesn't deserve to be on the air. Where is the responsibility for fairness/being repsectful on his part? Why can he just say whatever he wants?
Les...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:29 am : link
Shurmur doesn't have to be a passive, sitting duck. He could take some control by saying in a calm voice:

"Mike. I don't mind answering your questions, but I need you to give me time to answer the questions and I would appreciate it if you were less abrasive.

Usually you conduct a reasonable interview. Can we try to get back to that?"

Or words to that effect...

Idk how I missed this thread  
90.Cal : 9/19/2019 11:30 am : link
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ďI think that was an organizational decision not to do that,Ē Shurmur said. ďMost people aren't aware of this, but I wasn't contractually obligated to do that spot.

ďWe did it as a courtesy and out of respect for our relationship with the radio station. We just felt like for a while here, we'll put that to bed for a while, and just not do it and move forward."
RE: Mike crossed the line  
MotownGIANTS : 9/19/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.


This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...

Why he is the right man for the job????
Mike is going to go ape shit on this organization today  
90.Cal : 9/19/2019 11:32 am : link
I know he is sooooo mad about this. He can't wait to get on the air to destroy Shurmur/Gettleman/Mara... he is in the mirror practicing right now
RE: RE: Mike crossed the line  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14587775 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:


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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.



This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...

Why he is the right man for the job????

that's a question for DG and/or Mara. On a weekly spot with the coach, you get into certain play calls, the opponent, who's improving, position battles, etc. You don't question why the guy has a job after 2 weeks. There's no good answer to the question.
Kitchen too hot  
Rflairr : 9/19/2019 11:39 am : link
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RE: Typical Mara business  
HomerJones45 : 9/19/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14587672 arniefez said:
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right in character with everything Wellington and John have done for the past 50 + years.

The son of the guy who used to measure the column inches in the NY Times to see if the Jets were getting more and then complain tot he sports editor didn't fall far from the tree.

It's no fun seeing the Giants lose and get humiliated year after year. I saw that enough 40 plus years ago. But I'm not surprised.
Bingo and you can bet Francesa knows history. A lot of the guys here who grew up under the Rozelle mandated operating agreement canít see the backsliding and the return of some of the worst of the organizationís instincts.
Not gonna read through all this,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/19/2019 11:39 am : link
but good for Shurmur
Francessa  
Jim in South Florida : 9/19/2019 11:39 am : link
in my opinion has handled this whole situation like a a-hole. I don't blame the Giants for their decision to stop the call in.
He has been brutal all week.
RE: RE: Mike crossed the line  
ron mexico : 9/19/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14587775 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:


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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.



This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...

Why he is the right man for the job????


Its a legit question. But not one you ask in a weekly call in segment.

Thats is the type of question you answer on ESPN with a sound cloud rapper by your side.
This should be highly entertaining  
AcesUp : 9/19/2019 11:45 am : link
Can't wait to listen to the Funhouse twitter clips of him throwing a temper tantrum. I imagine if the Giants lose on Sunday he will have one of his nucleur rants directed at Shurmur. You know he's got that one in the chamber now. I love Francesa, completely driven by ego with either next level self awareness or absolutely none of it.
...  
christian : 9/19/2019 11:45 am : link
It's moronic the coach or players go on a show to give non answers to questions and in the process get ridiculed by a guy who knows very little about their job.

The two hours it takes Shurmur to deal with that distraction are much better served working on a gameplan that hopefully includes more than one scoring drive.
I don't blame Shurmur for not wanting to sit  
jcn56 : 9/19/2019 11:46 am : link
through that. Francesa made good points, but he continued to bulldozer Shurmur while he was speaking, and shurmur wasn't able to take control of the conversation.

In fact, he sounded a lot like McAdoo in a similar situation answering questions about OBJ.
he was pretty hard on coach this week  
mattlawson : 9/19/2019 11:50 am : link
the "youre not good at anything" clearly irked him
also his rant about the GM hiding  
mattlawson : 9/19/2019 11:51 am : link
mara not releasing any kind of a statement, etc Mike has really cut ties with the org. But to be fair, everyone that works for the Giants media really are protective and ra ra all the time no matter what. i stopped listening to BBKOL because it was TOO blue
Mike sits in his basement and rants and raves like a lunatic.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2019 11:52 am : link
His decline over the last six years has been steeper than that of the Giants. I'm as down on the Giants front office as everyone else around here, but they deserve no grief for this decision. As I mentioned earlier, try to find an example of Francesa being this harsh on the lousy New York Knicks - he isn't, because the Garden essentially bribes him with tickets and VIP treatment. I've listened to Mike a long time and have defended him several times on here over the years, but his behavior in recent years is disgraceful. He really needs to retire and stay retired.
Francesa sounds like an angry Giants fan  
jcn56 : 9/19/2019 11:52 am : link
I know how he feels. The problem is, he's paid to be a sports journalist/talk show host. An interview should be that, an interview, not a chance to vent his frustrations about the Giants inability to get anything done.
I turned it off on Monday  
Karl Hungus : 9/19/2019 11:54 am : link
Fatso was off the rails. Just disgraceful. Ass cancer can't come soon enough for that arrogant dick.
RE: RE: Mike crossed the line  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/19/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14587775 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:


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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.



This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...

Why he is the right man for the job????


If a coach believes that particular question was offensive, that should tell you everything you need to know about the coach.

The question was basically an opening for him to sell himself to the public. The fact he couldn't even do that with any level of coherency was alarming.

It was a layup.

BTW, I don't believe at all the coach was going on for free. The Program Director arranges these contractual spots with players/coaches prior to the season. Most times, the payout is $100,000.

Shurmur saying he was not paid is a lie. He didn't just go on to take a verbal spanking for a few weeks free of charge.
RE: Francesa sounds like an angry Giants fan  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/19/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14587821 jcn56 said:
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I know how he feels. The problem is, he's paid to be a sports journalist/talk show host. An interview should be that, an interview, not a chance to vent his frustrations about the Giants inability to get anything done.


He's not paid to be a journalist. No talk radio host is paid to be a journalist.

By that standard, Joe Benigno is a journalist. And he is certainly not that.
RE: ...  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/19/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14587809 christian said:
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It's moronic the coach or players go on a show to give non answers to questions and in the process get ridiculed by a guy who knows very little about their job.

The two hours it takes Shurmur to deal with that distraction are much better served working on a gameplan that hopefully includes more than one scoring drive.


There's about $100,000 reasons players and coaches do it.

It's free money for 15 to 20 minutes of time.
RE: Who is giving the PR advice to this franchise?  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14587715 RDJR said:
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You are never going to win a public relations battle with a media outlet. MF is as arrogant of a media personality as there is, but where do you draw the line as a franchise? After all, how many here will tune in today to hear MFís reaction? Exactly what he wants. So when the NFL Network or ESPN become critical (they already have) is the team going to refuse to talk to those NFL media partners? This is a slippery slope and the league is only in business because of the fans. Iím going to spend almost $1000 to go to Tampa this weekend to see the Giants. I want the team I root for to have to answer questions. They are in business to entertain. Interacting with the media is part of the business, this isnít war and peace, itís football. We can all turn it off or turn the dial if we donít want to listen and donít like the host. Horrible precedent and approach.

Since when is Francessa "THE MEDIA". People choose who they want to give interviews to. Francessa acts like he's Tim Russert and his show is Meet the Press in their prime. He's not, neither is his show. During their prime, Russert was THE place to go for viewers. He may have been a tough interviewer, but he was respectful and fair. MF is an ass clown at this stage and fans have many choices to get their Giants color.
Can't understand why anyone  
Lynch22 : 9/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
listens to that fat, arrogant, know nothing POS. Long live Al Alburquerque.
"Hey Coach, thanks for being on...  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
why are you shitty at your job?"
I'm torn  
Matt in SGS : 9/19/2019 12:11 pm : link
because I don't like the idea of being overly sensitive to the media and it makes Shurmur and the Giants look like they can't take the heat.

On the other side, Francesa has become a cartoon character at this point of his career. He's hardly the hill to die on in Shurmur deciding that he doesn't need to talk to him anymore.

It's clear the Giants and Francesa are done with each other.
Just win baby  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 12:13 pm : link
That will shut him up real quick on his DG&PS crap.
About time  
ZogZerg : 9/19/2019 12:24 pm : link
Giants should have cancelled these years ago....
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:26 pm : link
Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand

1h
Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:27 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

1h
So, in essence, Pat Shurmur cancels spot with Mike Francesa, ending a weekly 20-minute interview in which Francesa did most of the talking.

Not sure Francesa can say any worse than he already has about Shurmur and the Giants. We'll see.
RE: ...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/19/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14587908 Eric from BBI said:
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Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand

1h
Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.


Mara calls Francesa and this gets ironed out. This is Pat Hanlon.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:29 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

50m
If you listened to Shurmur's interview with Francesa last week, it wasn't an interview. It was Mike being Mike as a host, and one thing I've always admired as a Day 1 listener of Mike is his skill as an interviewer.

His weekly spots are not interviews anymore. They're just not.
RE: Mike crossed the line  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.


Why not? There is zero evidence this guy is a good coach. And did you listen to his answer? Shurmur couldnít even sell himself. And him trying to say the game against Buffalo was closer than it appeared tells me everything I need to know about this coach.

Yes Mike was tough on him and the Giants. But is he wrong? This franchise has become a joke. How about Shurmur pushing back against Mike and showing some conviction.

Lastly, while heís not contractually obligated, it is nice as a fan to hear from the coach. Maybe heíll find someone who doesnít criticize him when his teams get blown out....
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:30 pm : link
Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz

2m
They call them "guests'' on the radio. Invited guests. Sometimes paid, invited guests. But always welcome guests. It comes down to this, doesn't it? How do you treat your guests?
RE: ...  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14587921 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

50m
If you listened to Shurmur's interview with Francesa last week, it wasn't an interview. It was Mike being Mike as a host, and one thing I've always admired as a Day 1 listener of Mike is his skill as an interviewer.

His weekly spots are not interviews anymore. They're just not.


Yeah Mike being Mike, let me ask a great question, wait for the interviewee to open their mouth, then I will answer for them.
Interesting situation  
moespree : 9/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
I can kind of see both sides to this. For the Giants, there's no reason to send your people on to do 15 minutes sports talk radio with a known loud mouthed antagonist who likes stirring the pot. Little to be gained from that, especially in this modern age where people don't really need a 15 minute radio interview to get information.

On the other hand, it does come off as feeble that someone who is clearly not a mouthpiece for the team and doesn't ask the kinds of questions you want gets under your skin so badly that you cancel the show.
RE: Francessa was a complete ass...  
ColHowPepper : 9/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14587729 bw in dc said:
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in the interview. And while I understand why Shurmur would stop, the better move is to show up and deal with The Dope.

Take the high road....
This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
Disagree bw: Yes, the franchise is going through a dreadful spell. But Francesa went way over the line by insulting the HC. As I said a couple of times in yesterday's threads, he went further, calling the team 'putrid'. That is strong stuff.

By contrast, in discussing the Jets' situation, where he predicted an 0-7 start, even while saying the Giants might win a couple, his commentary was free from the insulting characterizations. (Maybe this goes back to the newsprint measure stuff !!) He was doing his level best to insult the HC and the franchise, and he succeeded admirably. That's not the high road, bw, it's bending over to take a pole axe up the dark space.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14587926 Eric from BBI said:
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Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz

2m
They call them "guests'' on the radio. Invited guests. Sometimes paid, invited guests. But always welcome guests. It comes down to this, doesn't it? How do you treat your guests?


That's a fair expectation. But it would be good to see Shurmur stick up for himself and try to set a better tone with Mike. The guy was All-Big 10 and received All American honors as an OL at Michigan State. He should be able to handle himself...
Francessa didn't conduct a civil, professional interview last week  
Torrag : 9/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
He ranted and didn't allow the coach to respond to questions. It was 10 minutes of hyperbole, buffoonery and lampoonery put on by a narcissist pushing a narrative. Frankly I was embarrassed for Mike that he's stooped into the dregs with the majority of 'journalists' today. Sad.

I have my questions and concerns about Shurmur and the Giants but that isn't how you engage someone in a Q&A. You are literally the hostand that comes with the responsibility to comport yourself respectfully. He did the same with his DG comments. You can't behave this way and expect to have access.
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
Why would anyone in their right mind want to subject themselves to this?

This is the effect of social media now permeating into normal society. This is not how normal people who know how to interact with other human beings talk to each other.

Ranting in not an interview.
Tom Coughlin, Ben mcadoo  
TrueBlue56 : 9/19/2019 12:42 pm : link
And now shurmur have all canceled their weekly spots with francesa when they were coaches. Not surprised.
RE: There is more to this story...has to be  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14587522 Chris684 said:
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Francesa has LOVED the New York Giants as an organization over the years.

You can't tell me this is all just because they took a quarterback in the draft.

Why is that so hard to believe? It's not JUST that they took a QB. It's that they took a QB after he was led to believe that they wouldn't, so it left him holding the bag with his supposed insider credentials tarnished. And to add insult to injury, Eli had already canceled his weekly appearance, which Francesa also attributed to the Giants taking a QB.

Francesa loses one of his most popular weekly guests and comes out of the situation looking like his inside info isn't so reliable, you don't think that's plenty to get such a massive ego worked up into a diet coke fueled lather?
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14587948 Eric from BBI said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to subject themselves to this?

This is the effect of social media now permeating into normal society. This is not how normal people who know how to interact with other human beings talk to each other.

Ranting in not an interview.


Francessa is an epic jerk off - agreed.

Personally, I'd like to hear Shurmur draw the line in the sane DURING the actual interview. I think going that route Shurmur would come off great.

I like people who are willing to take the heat regardless how ugly it gets.
i listened to it  
japanhead : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
and was actually impressed with how shurmur handled himself. mike reveres eli manning, and i think all of his nastiness has more to do with how the team's handled things with him post-2016 than anything else, although it's clear he absolutely despises gettleman.
This is a big old  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
"whatever".

Who we playing this week?
I recall listening to Mike's interview of Gettleman  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
a few days before last year's draft, and came away from it certain that the Giants were drafting a QB. Gettleman communicated it several different ways without coming right out and saying. I have no idea why Mike was blindsided by the QB selection.
RE: RE: ...  
Matt in SGS : 9/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14587914 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 14587908 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand

1h
Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.



Mara calls Francesa and this gets ironed out. This is Pat Hanlon.


I could surely see Pat doing this, but it would have to get signed off by Mara (and possibly Tisch). WFAN is the Giants flagship station do it's a bad look for both sides to have this happen. Ultimately, what this all could be about is the Giants will be looking for an apology from Francesa (it won't come).

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are trying to do their part to finally put Francesa out to pasture. Radio is hardly a lucrative career path now and I'm sure WFAN would love to save a couple of $$.

Murmur on Francessa  
VinegarPeppers : 9/19/2019 12:52 pm : link
You think it was brutal on Monday? Wait until today.
RE: Les...  
Les in TO : 9/19/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14587766 bw in dc said:
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Shurmur doesn't have to be a passive, sitting duck. He could take some control by saying in a calm voice:

"Mike. I don't mind answering your questions, but I need you to give me time to answer the questions and I would appreciate it if you were less abrasive.

Usually you conduct a reasonable interview. Can we try to get back to that?"

Or words to that effect...
itís an option but assholes are going to be assholes so I donít think that would change Francescaís behaviour . Ideally Shurmur would take interviews with another host who is less of an asshole
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:56 pm : link
That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.
RE: Tom Coughlin, Ben mcadoo  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14587960 TrueBlue56 said:
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And now shurmur have all canceled their weekly spots with francesa when they were coaches. Not surprised.

way back when, Francesa "fired" Shockey from his weekly spot.
RE: bw in dc  
Les in TO : 9/19/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14587948 Eric from BBI said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to subject themselves to this?

This is the effect of social media now permeating into normal society. This is not how normal people who know how to interact with other human beings talk to each other.

Ranting in not an interview.
this type of outrage shock jockism has been a TV and radio staple for at least a decade before Zuckerberg invented Facebook. Both sports (Rome) and otherwise
RE: bw in dc  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/19/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.


Have you figured out what vacation house youíre gonna buy with all that traffic jtgiants is gonna drive in months from now when we find out the real scoop on why Shurmur quit Francesa?
RE: bw in dc  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.

as Don Draper once said, "that's what the money is for".
First of all  
Des51 : 9/19/2019 1:04 pm : link
PFT say it was the Giants, not Shurmur. that cancelled his appearance on Francesa's show and that Shurmur wasn't getting paid to do the show.
Francesca is a dipshit.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/19/2019 1:05 pm : link
An unprofessional manchild. I am perplexed that anyone gives that man a platform to spew his verbal diarrhea.

Shurmer's tenure has been a disaster for sure, but he shouldn't be obliged to give that asshole the time of day.
...  
ilikethenygiants : 9/19/2019 1:05 pm : link
It would have been incredible if Shumur was quick enough to respond by saying something like, "Mike, your ratings are falling, you don't do anything good any more, and your station is basically terrible. Tell me, what makes you think you're the guy to turn it around?"
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.


Of course it is.

But I'm just not a fan of throwing in the towel. I'd rather Shurmur still show up and fulfill the commitment. Kill Francessa with kindness.
Enzo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
I don't know what that means.

Are you saying Shurmur is supposed to come on a weekly radio show and have a host just rant at him with no questions?

Can you tell me who else subjects themselves to that?
RE: RE: bw in dc  
BillKo : 9/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14588026 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.



Of course it is.

But I'm just not a fan of throwing in the towel. I'd rather Shurmur still show up and fulfill the commitment. Kill Francessa with kindness.


I'd rather just see him stick to the show but also defend himself, and that doesn't mean acting back at Francessa the way Francessa does it.

But Big Mike obviously has an ax to grind with the Jints right now.........
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/19/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14587984 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14587914 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


Quote:


In comment 14587908 Eric from BBI said:


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Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand

1h
Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.



Mara calls Francesa and this gets ironed out. This is Pat Hanlon.



I could surely see Pat doing this, but it would have to get signed off by Mara (and possibly Tisch). WFAN is the Giants flagship station do it's a bad look for both sides to have this happen. Ultimately, what this all could be about is the Giants will be looking for an apology from Francesa (it won't come).

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are trying to do their part to finally put Francesa out to pasture. Radio is hardly a lucrative career path now and I'm sure WFAN would love to save a couple of $$.


Pat went on the record on Twitter during the whole Gettleman situation and I do think Pat likely saw this as a way out from Big Mike for a while.
As the losing continues year after year  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
the organization becomes more and more insular. I imagine it is full-on bunker mentality these days ("It's not us, it's everyone else").

Francesca has had a fine relationship with the organization for years, even long after Parcells was gone. So what has changed? Certainly not Francesca - he's always been the way he is (arguably he became a worse version of himself when he started working alone, but he continued to have a good relationship with the organization after that). What changed is the team is 8-26 since the start of the 2017 season.

As things keep getting worse and worse within the organization, any and all external criticism becomes all the more intolerable for them. If you think the laughable mentality that there is a "media conspiracy" against the Giants is just something a few homer fans cling to, I would be shocked if that same mentality does not currently hold water at the highest levels within the organization at this moment.
RE: Enzo  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14588054 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't know what that means.

Are you saying Shurmur is supposed to come on a weekly radio show and have a host just rant at him with no questions?

Can you tell me who else subjects themselves to that?

you've never heard a radio spot get heated? Francesa is a clown but he's been this way for quite some time. Shurmur was getting paid a nice piece of change to come on every week, and he's a big boy who should have entered into this with no illusions about what kind of person Francesca has become.
RE: RE: Enzo  
ron mexico : 9/19/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14588100 Enzo said:
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In comment 14588054 Eric from BBI said:


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I don't know what that means.

Are you saying Shurmur is supposed to come on a weekly radio show and have a host just rant at him with no questions?

Can you tell me who else subjects themselves to that?


you've never heard a radio spot get heated? Francesa is a clown but he's been this way for quite some time. Shurmur was getting paid a nice piece of change to come on every week, and he's a big boy who should have entered into this with no illusions about what kind of person Francesca has become.


you think getting into a shouting match with Francessa would be a better look than just walking away?
I must be one of the minority  
Bruner4329 : 9/19/2019 1:46 pm : link
If Mike had gone on and thrown softballs at PS then he would have been criticized for sucking up. Instead he asks what I thought were good points... such as QB change won't help bad defense and the fact is they have stunk in all facets of the game through week 2.

I guess my point is if the person getting interviewed does not want to deal with real questions don't go on period.
Enzo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 1:48 pm : link
No, I have never heard a radio host treat a sports figure like that. Never.

And if you are defending that behavior, I am afraid that says something about your character.
Never understood why coaches agree to this..  
Sean : 9/19/2019 1:51 pm : link
I still remember Coughlin getting absolutely berated by Russo for electing to go for a 2pt conversion in Seattle in 2006. Literal shouting match. He cancelled right after.

Francesa pounded McAdoo over Beckham behavior.

Francesa saying Shurmur heís clueless.

It isnít needed.
Mike never had to pull stunts to get ratings  
GiantJake : 9/19/2019 2:01 pm : link
Since Mike came back, he has been in a ratings battle with the Michael Kay Show. He had to deal with a ratings book loss and has now adopted the strategy of many other talk radio shows. Push buttons, troll your listeners and the loonies will light up the phones. The press jumps in a takes it to another level. Mike always did his thing and pontificated on sports. Now he is going out of his way to be more provocative in his opinions. Remember when CMB replaced Mike? They were horrible out of the gate. They quickly retooled and started running the talk radio playbook. Push button topics and negativity. Obviously, Mike has also received the memo and it could explain why he is even more prickly than usual.
I'm ok with Shurmur and the Giants on this.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/19/2019 2:02 pm : link
It's fine for Mike to ask hard questions. It's fine for Shurmur to not want to answer them. It's also fine for Shurmur to basically decide "Life is too short."

My complaint is: WFAN is the Giants station. It is absolutely NOT the place to go for Giants news and coverage. The Yankees get more coverage year-round. I would like the Giants station to load up on Giants coverage. So now Shurmur's spot is done, Eli's spot is done. Where are the Giants? Who's got a regular spot? I don't even mind a guy like Dottino who is sort of a spokesman for the team ó†that has some value. But I'd like the Giants station to have Giants on.
Simply put, this was the class move for the Giants.  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 2:02 pm : link
There was a line. Francesa crossed it. When he was giving it to him about the CBs giving 15 yard cushions, that was acceptable. Calling the Giants HC a loser, was not.

We talk about the class of the Giants. The class move for the Giants is to not subject your head coach to that garbage. And I am proud of the organization for supporting their HC.
RE: First of all  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/19/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14588012 Des51 said:
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PFT say it was the Giants, not Shurmur. that cancelled his appearance on Francesa's show and that Shurmur wasn't getting paid to do the show.


They have to say he wasn't getting paid. Because of they said he was getting paid (as all of their previous interview spots have been before - why would this one suddenly be different?) and then decided to cancel, that would not look good PR wise.

Remember, when they were winning, you could count on both hands the amount of Giants players who were doing weekly paid interviews each week. Some guys, like Antrel Rolle, did it for years. Some guys used those spots to launch TV careers they currently have NOW after they retired.

If all of those previous paid interviews existed, why suddenly would Shurmur's interview be of no charge at all to the sports station that was getting him exclusively at a specific day and time? The other station didn't have access to him.

Francesa has been the same person he's always been. The only thing in the equation that has changed has the sustained Giants losing and what many perceive to be utter ineptness in the management. This has the Giants in bunker mode, hiding from everyone. The only place you will hear them now is on their own internally produced shows where their own employees are the ones asking the questions. ]
BigBlueinChicago  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:13 pm : link
Oh bullshit.

Hey, where are you? Let me come over and yell in your face, "Loser, loser!" a few times and see how you react.
BigBlueinChicago  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:14 pm : link
You want to make a point as an interviewer, asking difficult questions but don't be an asshole about it.

It's not that tough.
Giants brass has become soft  
micky : 9/19/2019 2:15 pm : link
Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.

Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
I can understand why Shurmur would do this on a personal level  
Dinger : 9/19/2019 2:18 pm : link
I can see why the organization would stand by him doing this. Truly I don't think ANY of the interviews Shurmur gave to Francesa were must listens or broke any story. It was Shurmur taking the Jeter approach; stock answers and don't give em anything.
I am not a uuuuge fan of Francesa, but he vents like a fan and he gets to question the 'guys in power'. I can sometimes appreciate his tirades....when it coinsides with my agenda;)
RE: Giants brass has become soft  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14588168 micky said:
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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.

Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks


Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.

It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.

Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
RE: RE: Giants brass has become soft  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14588175 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14588168 micky said:


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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.

Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks



Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.

It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.

Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?


It benefits the fans who are acting like Francesa is. It's the closest they can get to 'venting' to the Giants about how angry they are and it makes them feel better.

I think Francesa has been positively insufferable since coming back and is acting like a giant whiny baby because the Giants aren't giving him what they want.

The team doesn't owe him a damn thing.
RE: RE: Giants brass has become soft  
micky : 9/19/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14588175 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14588168 micky said:


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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.

Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks



Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.

It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.

Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?


Just shows weakness. This goes with life too. If things get rough and etc, "oh let me crawl up into ball because they are criticizing me!" and so forth.

It's not once but few times Giants went home crying, sort of speak, because their feelings were hirt or criticized. Stand up to this shit, and prove them wrong..just weak, very weak showing.

They all know what Francesa is but still went on a spot with him..not the first time.
I couldn't read through the whole thing yet, but the first several  
Matt M. : 9/19/2019 2:26 pm : link
posts didn't seem to clarify:

Shurmer does not have a paid spot. Shurmer did not cancel the spot. The Giants organization canceled the spot, which they accommodated due to WFAN being the flagship station for them.
'They have to say he wasn't getting paid.'  
schabadoo : 9/19/2019 2:29 pm : link
So he was getting paid and lied about it? If true, you'd think Mike would surely say so.

Or are you just making this up?
RE: After Monday  
Gettledogman : 9/19/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14587612 jeff57 said:
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That's no surprise.


Francesa was very rude.. Parcells would have never put up with that BS and neither should Shurmur.
Mara  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2019 2:40 pm : link
This is definitely a Mara move stemming from Mikeís criticism of him. Mike was definitely harsh but nothing he said was incorrect. Pat could have stuck up for himself and team.

This is a soft move from the Giants.
RE: 'They have to say he wasn't getting paid.'  
Matt M. : 9/19/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14588194 schabadoo said:
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So he was getting paid and lied about it? If true, you'd think Mike would surely say so.

Or are you just making this up?
It was not a contractually obligated and/or paid spot. The organization made the HC available to WFAN. They decided to terminate that policy.

On the contrary, Eli used to have a paid spot with WFAN and he decided to end his contractual spot this offseason.
RE: 'They have to say he wasn't getting paid.'  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/19/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14588194 schabadoo said:
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So he was getting paid and lied about it? If true, you'd think Mike would surely say so.

Or are you just making this up?


I believe heís lying. Iíve worked in the radio business.

Specific guests with sponsors do not get arranged on particular shows for specific days and times without that being signed off by all parties. Those are paid spots that the station specifically sells advertising for (ďThe Pat Shurmur Report is brought to you by (name of advertiser).Ē)

Same for Aaron Boone, Mickey Callaway and all the other coaches they have had on their air. Same for Adam Gase on 98.7. Yet, only his is free of charge? Heís not being truthful.

There is a monetary arrangement for that interview, It is never done for free.
25 Years Ago  
Bernie : 9/19/2019 2:42 pm : link
Mike and the Mad Dog was must listen for sports fans in NY and was the standard against which all other sports talk shows were measured. Now Mike is a "has been" who struck out with his commercial model and has to resort to these tactics to try and remain in the spotlight. Anyone who still listens to him must be as clueless as Mike.
RE: Enzo  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14588118 Eric from BBI said:
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No, I have never heard a radio host treat a sports figure like that. Never.

And if you are defending that behavior, I am afraid that says something about your character.


How about the Jim Rome - Chris Everett interview?

I listened to the interview. What was so horrible? He didn't scream at Shurmur (we've all heard Francesa scream at people before on the air - that wasn't it). Francesa basically apologized before asking him the question that sent everyone to their fainting couches ("this is a very tough question, but fans want to know..."). Also, anyone who has ever been on more than a few job interviews before has been asked the question "explain why you are the right person for this job." It's not a disrespectful question. All the guy has ever done is lose and, right now, he's continuing to lose. I have no problem asking him to explain why he thinks that things are going to change. He also complimented Shurmur in the interview for coming on the show and answering the questions in a fair manner.

The fact is that, whatever you think about Francesa, it is not a decision made by Shurmur and the Giants in confidence. They are being sensitive and defensive - and it stems from the fact that results are so bad. I think it has very little to do with Francesa.
micky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:51 pm : link
So in order to not "show weakness", you want Shurmur to come on and get into a screaming match with the radio host?

The Giants aren't walking away from a debate. They aren't walking away from being criticized. They are walking away from a raving lunatic.
eugibs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:52 pm : link
And you think the Rome was OK calling his guest names?

What is wrong with you? Seriously.
and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:57 pm : link
let's be clear... Coughlin, McAdoo, and Shurmur were not being paid for the spot. The Giants and WFAN have a relationship (or at least had one), but the coaches were not being paid.
Good...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/19/2019 2:58 pm : link
...for him.
I can't say I blame Shurmur for this one  
jcn56 : 9/19/2019 3:02 pm : link
I felt differently about Gettleman when he passed - that was one spot, outside of the season, where there'd be no fallout to cause a distraction or otherwise impact the team. To me, that just seemed like a weak move, even if Francesa was unreasonable.

Shurmur going on during the week, during the season, having Francesa bait him into saying something that could either be considered as revealing strategic moves or make bulletin board material for other teams - that kind of stuff, combined with taking him away from an already busy schedule - really begs to say 'fuck this' even if it wasn't super confrontational.
RE: eugibs  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14588255 Eric from BBI said:
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And you think the Rome was OK calling his guest names?

What is wrong with you? Seriously.


No, of course not. The point is that there is a line as a journalist between asking your guest difficult, but relevant, questions and straight up disrespecting and taunting your guest. The Rome example is clearly on the wrong side of that line. My point is that you can't even compare the Francesa-Shurmur interview to that Jim Rome example, so to say Francesa treated Shurmur in a way that you have never seen an interviewer treat a guest before does not seem correct to me. To my ears, Francesa's interview was nowhere even close to approaching "beyond the pale" behavior.
Francesa:  
Sean : 9/19/2019 3:09 pm : link
ďShurmur is the 3rd coach to cancel mid season on me and all previous coaches who did were fired mid season.Ē
eugibs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 3:11 pm : link
Jim Rome should have been fired.

And yes, what Francesa did was outrageous.

He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.

Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
RE: Francesa:  
GiantEgo : 9/19/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14588283 Sean said:
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ďShurmur is the 3rd coach to cancel mid season on me and all previous coaches who did were fired mid season.Ē


God that's sounds like something you know who would tweet
RE: Francesa:  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14588283 Sean said:
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ďShurmur is the 3rd coach to cancel mid season on me and all previous coaches who did were fired mid season.Ē


LOL. He's so insecure and cannot handle being told no by someone.

Absolutely insufferable.
RE: micky  
micky : 9/19/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14588253 Eric from BBI said:
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So in order to not "show weakness", you want Shurmur to come on and get into a screaming match with the radio host?

The Giants aren't walking away from a debate. They aren't walking away from being criticized. They are walking away from a raving lunatic.


Does he have to scream or have a screaming match? That would be up to shurmur if he wanted..but theres ways to move on and give an interview and make a point and move on standing up to any difficult questions. You figure being a head coach has much more agitation and etc than just a measely interviews. Shows weakness
Interesting radio  
arniefez : 9/19/2019 3:24 pm : link
certainly more interesting than anything the Giants do on the field lately. The part i found the most interesting is that the "Giants" called and were screaming at the producer. Gee I wonder who that was. Mr class act?
micky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 3:25 pm : link
Shurmur finished the "interview" (aka rant) in question. He didn't hang up.

He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.

If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?

Francesa  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 3:28 pm : link
Seems to have a muzzle on right now. Someone somewhere must have said something to him. He isn't ripping the Giants like I thought he would.
RE: eugibs  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14588289 Eric from BBI said:
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Jim Rome should have been fired.

And yes, what Francesa did was outrageous.

He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.

Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.


I agree that there is outrageous behavior all around us now on television and radio (in sports and, obviously, otherwise). I just don't see the issue here. Yes, Francesa is a blowhard and he talks over his guests. But that's how he is with everyone - it comes with the territory with him (it didn't seem to be a problem for Giants head coaches for decades before this). I cannot think of one thing he said about the team in the interview that I thought was unfair. Nor can I think of a single personal shot or, even an unfair football shot, that he took at Shurmur. Do you really think this is about the Giants taking a stand for civility? I think it is just symptomatic of an organization in a defensive crouch with a bunker mentality. The flop sweat is everywhere.
RE: RE: eugibs  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14588309 eugibs said:
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In comment 14588289 Eric from BBI said:


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Jim Rome should have been fired.

And yes, what Francesa did was outrageous.

He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.

Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.



I agree that there is outrageous behavior all around us now on television and radio (in sports and, obviously, otherwise). I just don't see the issue here. Yes, Francesa is a blowhard and he talks over his guests. But that's how he is with everyone - it comes with the territory with him (it didn't seem to be a problem for Giants head coaches for decades before this). I cannot think of one thing he said about the team in the interview that I thought was unfair. Nor can I think of a single personal shot or, even an unfair football shot, that he took at Shurmur. Do you really think this is about the Giants taking a stand for civility? I think it is just symptomatic of an organization in a defensive crouch with a bunker mentality. The flop sweat is everywhere.


you realize there is more than just the shurmur interview right? he ripped gettleman for not telling him the truth..

he ripped ballentine for getting shot, this is a cumilitive thing, this is not one instance...

there is a reason multiple teams have cancelled interviews
RE: and  
schabadoo : 9/19/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14588263 Eric from BBI said:
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let's be clear... Coughlin, McAdoo, and Shurmur were not being paid for the spot. The Giants and WFAN have a relationship (or at least had one), but the coaches were not being paid.


Thanks for the info.

So just people stating their assumptions as fact.
eugibs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 3:33 pm : link
We're talking past each other at this point.

As I've stated, the radio host made no effort to LEARN anything from his GUEST or PROVIDE any sort of info to his LISTENERS. He demeaned the man right to his "face."

There is a way to criticize, analyze, prod for more information without being a utter jackass.

All that interview was was Giant-bashing porn for listeners who are mad as hell.

It's not a "bunker mentality" to simply choose not to be the anvil.
RE: micky  
micky : 9/19/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14588305 Eric from BBI said:
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Shurmur finished the "interview" (aka rant) in question. He didn't hang up.

He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.

If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?


Maybe I'd let that roll off my back and disagree and prove you wrong. And if you wanted keep calling "me a loser" etc that's your problem. But i wouldn't back away or "take my ball and go home" I'd stay and eventually, or try like hell, prove you wrong. If I don't, then you were right, and we move along. Sorry I wouldn't be "weak" bc someone say blah blah about me. Case in point..this site..i get heat from many or into it..its life..let it roll off your back and move along. Shurmur, and the way this sounds, it comes from the giants themselves of running and hiding from criticism. Weak..sorry
RE: micky  
Essex : 9/19/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14588305 Eric from BBI said:
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Shurmur finished the "interview" (aka rant) in question. He didn't hang up.

He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.

If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?

I am inclined to agree with you, but the perception among the fan base is that Shurmur is weak because he did so. Most people who will not think about this nearly as much you or I or most people on this site will just read the headline and say "what a wimp"

With all that said, this could have been avoided if they did not sign up to do this in the first place, which is the real decision I question.
I'm embarrassed for this board  
Knineteen : 9/19/2019 3:35 pm : link
This organization has sucked for 6 of the last 7 years. At least Francesser is calling them out on it.

How much more "we're working at it" can you fools take on a YEARLY basis?! I wish I saw this team through rose-colored glasses like the rest of you. Have "faith", right?
I Listened  
lax counsel : 9/19/2019 3:35 pm : link
To the interview, but clearly missed some of the contentious questions posed by Francesa. He was certainly combative with Shurmur, but generally asked reasonable questions. I cannot fathom how, "are you the right man to turn this around, given your losing record", is a disrespectful or disingenuous question?

This smacks of the old Jets, where they wouldn't go on his show because they were losing, and worse off, showing severe and continuous disfunction. I dislike Francesa as much as the next Giants fan, but did not take issue with this particular interview.

For those who did, what questions would you have posed to Shurmur?
.  
GiantEgo : 9/19/2019 3:35 pm : link
Shurmer does multiple press events every week. Why should he waste his time doing a favor for an abusive has-been?
I can't believe there are people defending francesa here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2019 3:36 pm : link
There are so many intelligent ways to go after Shurmur on a professional standpoint. Ask the hard questions. Even if he doesn't answer, you have to put him on the spot, but personal attacks are junk radio.

Ask the questions people want to hear answered. Hammer him on why Saquon doesn't get the ball on 3rd downs. Put the heat on him for this defense, which as head coach, he is responsible for.



RE: I Listened  
Essex : 9/19/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14588327 lax counsel said:
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To the interview, but clearly missed some of the contentious questions posed by Francesa. He was certainly combative with Shurmur, but generally asked reasonable questions. I cannot fathom how, "are you the right man to turn this around, given your losing record", is a disrespectful or disingenuous question?

This smacks of the old Jets, where they wouldn't go on his show because they were losing, and worse off, showing severe and continuous disfunction. I dislike Francesa as much as the next Giants fan, but did not take issue with this particular interview.

For those who did, what questions would you have posed to Shurmur?

what would you expect him to say "No, I am not?" What is the point of the question other than to embarrass him? THe question that seeks information is "How will you turn this around" then he and his fans can evaluate the answer and judge him on it. By saying that he is a loser the question implies that he cannot turn it around. It is a terrible question if it is designed to get information.
Knineteen  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 3:37 pm : link
I know you've been trying really hard for the last five years at work, but you're just not doing as well as your other co-workers.

So instead of asking you what is going on, or suggesting ways to improve and then observe your reaction, I'm just going to call you a loser to your face.

Loser.
Eric from BBI  
arniefez : 9/19/2019 3:38 pm : link
Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?

It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.

I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
RE: I can't believe there are people defending francesa here  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14588330 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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There are so many intelligent ways to go after Shurmur on a professional standpoint. Ask the hard questions. Even if he doesn't answer, you have to put him on the spot, but personal attacks are junk radio.

Ask the questions people want to hear answered. Hammer him on why Saquon doesn't get the ball on 3rd downs. Put the heat on him for this defense, which as head coach, he is responsible for.




What were the personal attacks?
Fat Mike sucks and thats why I don't listen to him  
chuckydee9 : 9/19/2019 3:39 pm : link
but the idea that your HC cannot answer questions properly.. your starting QB who has never slipped during interviews are all being cancelled from their radio station.. is indicative of how bad of an organization the Mara's have been running for a long time now..

Blame Fat Mike now all you want.. but the real reason behind this is the crappy way everything has been done since 2012.. Fat Mike was an ass hole long time ago..
Francessa  
PaulN : 9/19/2019 3:42 pm : link
Yelled at Shurmur while on the show? That happened? Or did he yell about him during the week? If it's the ladder, then you can argue the Giants are running scared, if he actually yelled at Shurmur then they are right to pull the plug. That doesn't change the fact that Barkley has 15 running backs with more carries, but everything changes now that the problem is gone and now the genius can go to work. I hope I am wrong, but he has a great running back, good offensive line and horrible defense, but couldn't figure out that running the ball gives you the best chance to win. His genius game plan is much too important for that nonsense. A game plan through the guy picked 2nd last season with play action off that is childs play for this brain.
RE: Eric from BBI  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14588333 arniefez said:
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Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?

It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.

I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.


You don't think Francesa has been getting more and more unhinged as time has gone on? The man sounds like he has a loose screw.

The fact that we are even having this debate I find appalling. You guys are literally condemning an organization for not wanting to come on once a week to hear how much they suck. And you find that strange?

And  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 3:49 pm : link
you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.

Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
RE: RE: RE: Giants brass has become soft  
Britt in VA : 9/19/2019 3:50 pm : link
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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.

Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks



Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.

It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.

Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?



It benefits the fans who are acting like Francesa is. It's the closest they can get to 'venting' to the Giants about how angry they are and it makes them feel better.

I think Francesa has been positively insufferable since coming back and is acting like a giant whiny baby because the Giants aren't giving him what they want.

The team doesn't owe him a damn thing.


This is so true.
I'm not sold on Shurmur as head coach yet,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/19/2019 3:52 pm : link
but I have no problem with him not coming on Francesa's show every week. It's pretty clear now Francesa just wants Giants to come on to shit on every week since his falling out with the Giants. I have no issue with this.
The media access the Giants provide  
arniefez : 9/19/2019 3:54 pm : link
is required by the NFL. They get zero credit for that.
Thank you Sir!  
Bill L : 9/19/2019 3:54 pm : link
May I have another?
RE: RE: Eric from BBI  
Mr. Bungle : 9/19/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14588344 Eric from BBI said:
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Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?

It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.

I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.



You don't think Francesa has been getting more and more unhinged as time has gone on? The man sounds like he has a loose screw.

The fact that we are even having this debate I find appalling. You guys are literally condemning an organization for not wanting to come on once a week to hear how much they suck. And you find that strange?


1. "Dave Gettleman is a liar."
2. "The Giants are run by clowns."
3. "Corey Ballentine must have questionable character, because he got shot."
4. "Pat Shurmur, you're a loser head coach."
5. "The Giants used to be a classy organization, but not anymore."


6. "...Why have the Giants stopped talking to me?"
"The Giants are run by clowns"  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 4:00 pm : link
Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
RE: And  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14588356 Eric from BBI said:
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.

Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.


Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.

The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
I cant believe anyone is defending the cancellation  
Bockman : 9/19/2019 4:07 pm : link
Big mike sucks, but this move makes the Giants look like weak babies.

You're winless, you just benched the QB, suck it up.
This would have been acceptable and gotten to the same place  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 4:14 pm : link
MF: You've clearly had a lot of success as an offensive coordinator. Some of your offenses have been electric. Talk to us about some of the challenges that successful coordinators have in transitioning to a head coach and turning around a franchise. What is your approach to overcome those obstacles where so many others have failed?

PS: [Insert hopefully a thoughtful and interesting response]
RE: RE: And  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14588385 eugibs said:
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.

Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.



Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.

The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.


Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Serilously what did you expect Shurmur to say? Mike we are in the  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 4:21 pm : link
middle of a rebuild, we have a young defense that is going to struggle, and I'm about to insert a rookie QB in the lineup. Even the Dolphins aren't out and out saying they are tanking.
I'm listening to it now....as soon as he went to the past cancellation  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 4:23 pm : link
I was like I bet those guys got fired and he is about to point that out.
RE: Mike crossed the line  
The_Boss : 9/19/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.


Bullshit.
It's about time someone brings up his ineptitude to the Shurminator. Is Shurm that thin skinned that he's pussing out on his weekly spots with Fat Mike? Apparently so.
RE: RE: RE: And  
lax counsel : 9/19/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14588410 nygiants16 said:
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.

Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.



Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.

The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.



Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?


Other than the comments about Ballantine (sp?), has Francesa said anything untrue regarding the Giants? The Organization is 8-26, including 5-13 under Shurmur. They have made several head scratching moves that have yet to yield fruitful results nor appear to even be heading in the correct direction. So again, the organization looks like its running from a dissenter.
so him ripping gettleman  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2019 4:31 pm : link
for no reason other than the giants lied to him is ok? because he was fed bad info he is allowed tp rip them? because he got made a fooled of because he proclaimed the giants were not taking a qb he is allowed to rip them?

francesa is a blowhard who js mad because he is not getting fed info anymore.
Im not sure many of you listened to this interview  
twostepgiants : 9/19/2019 4:32 pm : link
Francesa was blunt and direct and loud

There were no personal insults and no "screaming" match

Shurmur concluded the interview by saying it was a "good talk"

Shurmur did at one point say to "let me finish" and Francesa responded by letting him finish

Mike Francesa never called Pat Shurmur a "loser". He cited his HC record and asked why should Giants fans should trust him when he says they will turn it around

This interview was an embarrassment and humiliation but it was for Shurmur and not Francesa

Shurmurs approach to the entire interview was the that all is well and the team is progressing. His approach was essentially the Giants played a "close" and "competitive" game against a very good team and that they barely lost and he was talking about rveryone as if they played well. It was a head in the sand interview and he was challenged by the interviewer, as he should have been.

He is 0-2 and 5-13 here. They have lost 63-31 in 2 games. They have been down 42-14 at the half. The Bills were a 6 win team on the road with a 2nd yr starter. The Bills are 2-0 now yes but beat 3 and 5 win teams from last year.

I cant imagine what its like to interview a guy who is pretending that things are going just fine and progress is right around the corner.
RE: Im not sure many of you listened to this interview  
lax counsel : 9/19/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14588442 twostepgiants said:
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Francesa was blunt and direct and loud

There were no personal insults and no "screaming" match

Shurmur concluded the interview by saying it was a "good talk"

Shurmur did at one point say to "let me finish" and Francesa responded by letting him finish

Mike Francesa never called Pat Shurmur a "loser". He cited his HC record and asked why should Giants fans should trust him when he says they will turn it around

This interview was an embarrassment and humiliation but it was for Shurmur and not Francesa

Shurmurs approach to the entire interview was the that all is well and the team is progressing. His approach was essentially the Giants played a "close" and "competitive" game against a very good team and that they barely lost and he was talking about rveryone as if they played well. It was a head in the sand interview and he was challenged by the interviewer, as he should have been.

He is 0-2 and 5-13 here. They have lost 63-31 in 2 games. They have been down 42-14 at the half. The Bills were a 6 win team on the road with a 2nd yr starter. The Bills are 2-0 now yes but beat 3 and 5 win teams from last year.

I cant imagine what its like to interview a guy who is pretending that things are going just fine and progress is right around the corner.


This was exactly my take. But I guess this all goes back to the narrative on BBI from the summer where the media was being "disrespectful" to the Giants. I would say if the Giants fortunes turnaround, the media's perspective will follow in kind.
RE: RE: RE: And  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14588410 nygiants16 said:
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.

Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.



Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.

The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.



Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?


Ok, so what things has Francesa said about the Gettleman/Shurmur Giants that are unfair or untrue?

I would just like to say that I hate having to defend Francesa. I haven't regularly listened to his show in at least 15 years. I don't like him at all. But this Giants vs. "the media" stuff drives me up a wall. This particular story especially aggravates me because it shows that the organization is just as bothered by "the media" as some fans are - which shows me that they are defensive and in denial. The problem the Giants have is not that Mike Francesa won't let Pat Shurmur talk, the problem the Giants have is that they are a bad football team. If they were a confident organization that was confident in their direction, Pat Shurmur could go on the show and be able to make his case and let the fans decide for themselves where things stand (he's supposed to be answering these questions for us, his customers, not Mike Francesa). Instead, he has nothing to say. Nothing. "I thought the defense looked a little better in the second half." "We're just trying to win a game in Tampa." "Yeah, we need to get better at that." That is why he cancelled his weekly appearance.
This is an organization that blames the media  
twostepgiants : 9/19/2019 5:17 pm : link
With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli

Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs
lax counsel  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 5:25 pm : link
You may want to remember that Bill Parcells used to call the media "Commies... subversives from within"... and that was during the 1990 Super Bowl season and at a completely different time for the media.
twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 5:26 pm : link
The beat reporters who cover the team don't seem to agree with you. Many of them tweeted out this morning that they were pretty appalled.
lmao Francesa is the goat  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 5:30 pm : link
love all the hate for the best radio announcer, ever. Facts.
RE: lax counsel  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14588531 Eric from BBI said:
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You may want to remember that Bill Parcells used to call the media "Commies... subversives from within"... and that was during the 1990 Super Bowl season and at a completely different time for the media.


But Parcells enjoyed the sparring. He was brilliant at it...
Eric  
Samiam : 9/19/2019 5:35 pm : link
I heard the interview and think that twostepgiants had it exactly right. I think Francesa asked the questions that needed to be asked. And, are almost never asked by the reporters if only because of the way access is given to the coach. I would bet that most of the criticism is by people who donít listen to him or maybe never listened to him, I donít agree with much of what heís says but his take on the Giants has been spot on from the beginning
RE: ...  
Eman11 : 9/19/2019 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14587549 ryanmkeane said:
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.


No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.

He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
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Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14588549 Eman11 said:
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.



No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.

He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.

I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
RE: lmao Francesa is the goat  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14588539 Even Numbers said:
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love all the hate for the best radio announcer, ever. Facts.


Opinions are not facts. What you wrote makes you sound retarded.
This 9/19 class  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 5:45 pm : link
is turning into the BBI equivalent of the Fab Five. Facts.
eric of bbi  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 5:45 pm : link
he gets ton of attention, I do not recall a radio host getting this much romantic interest from anyone, haters or not.

I grew up listening to him with my family on our radio. I hope you dont use the term retarded again.
RE: eric of bbi  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14588564 Even Numbers said:
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he gets ton of attention, I do not recall a radio host getting this much romantic interest from anyone, haters or not.

I grew up listening to him with my family on our radio. I hope you dont use the term retarded again.

Ah, there's the Simo footprint - the "with my family" nostalgia. Should have guessed.
RE: eric of bbi  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14588564 Even Numbers said:
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he gets ton of attention, I do not recall a radio host getting this much romantic interest from anyone, haters or not.

I grew up listening to him with my family on our radio. I hope you dont use the term retarded again.


You sound sensitive too. I thought you were for rough and tumble.
eric of bbi  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 5:49 pm : link
yeah but I still dont like the use of that word

GD - make some sense
RE: This is an organization that blames the media  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14588515 twostepgiants said:
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With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli

Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs


Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).

The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?

If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.

Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.
RE: eric of bbi  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14588572 Even Numbers said:
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yeah but I still dont like the use of that word

GD - make some sense

I made plenty of sense. Everyone here, including you, knows exactly what I meant.

This'll be one of your shorter stints here.
RE: RE: This is an organization that blames the media  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14588588 eugibs said:
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Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games.
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The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well.
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I think you are being conned.


Their opinion of Eli and what they say publicly may be two different things. Just like every other professional sports team. Look at their actions not their words. They drafted a QB at 6.

The only people conned here are those that listened to their hearts not their eyes. The Giants were trying to be respectful to a Giant Icon and give him one more shot. The results weren't there and the business of the NFL is winning games.

Nothing about that interview was detailed. It was a disrespectful rant of gibberish and nothing was learned or gained - which is supposed to be the point of an interview.

The Giants showed class to their HC by not subjecting him to this ass clown any further.
RE: RE: This is an organization that blames the media  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14588588 eugibs said:
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With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli

Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs



Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).

The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?

If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.

Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.

I think it's largely irrelevant because Francesa is a joke and he's basically created an echo chamber with nothing but listeners who are not only as clueless as him, but more importantly, clueless enough to not realize how clueless he is.

There's not a single Giant alive that could get me to listen to Francesa.
Eric  
BeckShepEli : 9/19/2019 7:14 pm : link
You should really not be dropping the ďRĒ word like that. You might have a perfect family but tons of family in this world who have people who suffer with family members that have Down Syndrome, Autism and other issues and the Retarded word is a discriminating word against those people.

Youíre better then that and donít come back with a snarky response. Just accept it was the wrong word to use.
To rub it in on Mike,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/19/2019 7:16 pm : link
the Giants should put Shurmur on Joe and Evan. Yes, Joe and Evan are Jets fans. But they're always fair with the Giants and don't shit on them just to shit on them like Mike does these days. And with Joe and Evan interviewing Giants coaches/players, at least we will actually get to hear our players and coaches speak and answer the questions. Unlike Mike who just speaks over his guests all the time.
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Eman11 : 9/19/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14588557 Gatorade Dunk said:
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.



No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.

He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.


I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.


No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.
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Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 7:45 pm : link
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.



No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.

He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.


I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.



No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.

If you were here for the epic asshat meltdown of 2Q19, you'd have read the painstaking detail (literally) of the timing for when Eli notified Mike that he wasn't doing his weekly appearance this year. It was before the draft.

Don't take Mike's word for it - his version is purely self-serving.
RE: twostepgiants  
GF1080 : 9/19/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14588534 Eric from BBI said:
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The beat reporters who cover the team don't seem to agree with you. Many of them tweeted out this morning that they were pretty appalled.


You've been killing the Giants beat reporters for a long time around here but now since they agree with your narrative you agree with them. Two step giants nailed it on this one.
High pockets has jumped the shark - about 5 years ago  
GiantsUA : 9/19/2019 8:24 pm : link
I do enjoy the horrible Long Beach accent.
I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 8:44 pm : link
How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
RE: I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14588818 dannyman3131 said:
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.

He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Not a big Francesa fan but I didnít hear too much to get  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 9:16 pm : link
so bent out of shape about. A comment or two that you would say that hurts but not out of bounds. Seems like Two Steps and eugibs have the right sentiment.

You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...theyíre playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.

Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.

So the team improves...

RE: RE: I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14588858 Gatorade Dunk said:
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.


He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.



Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.
jeez  
AndyMilligan : 9/19/2019 9:19 pm : link
fuck that jerk Francesa. What a loudmouth he is. Why does anybody listen to him.
RE: RE: RE: I get the Mike Francesa hate but...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14588877 dannyman3131 said:
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.


He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.




Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.

The guy is a glorified podcaster at this point, and one who failed in that endeavor. I stand by my echo chamber comment above and have no problem pointing out to any of his listeners how they're more than likely going to prove my point.

No one with a brain gives a shit about Francesa, and it's certainly not Francesa's God-given right to get guests, especially when his interviewing skills have eroded even faster than his ratings.
RE: Not a big Francesa fan but I didnít hear too much to get  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14588874 Jimmy Googs said:
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so bent out of shape about. A comment or two that you would say that hurts but not out of bounds. Seems like Two Steps and eugibs have the right sentiment.

You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...theyíre playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.

Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.

So the team improves...

I agree with this sentiment in general, but I don't think it applies with Francesa. He absolutely does have a vendetta because the Giants played him like a fool at draft time and exposed that he has no connections in the league anymore.
Maybe so but what was the worst thing he said  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 10:00 pm : link
in that interview spot?
Francesca's timing of that interview is suspect. You going to kill  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:04 pm : link
the guy after two games in a rebuilding year with a young defense with a ton of new pieces and antique at QB? I can see asking all these tough questions near the end of the year, but da pope has an ax to grind because he's a petulant child.
RE: Francesca's timing of that interview is suspect. You going to kill  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14588937 Zeke's Alibi said:
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the guy after two games in a rebuilding year with a young defense with a ton of new pieces and antique at QB? I can see asking all these tough questions near the end of the year, but da pope has an ax to grind because he's a petulant child.


rebuilding year?? We were told by the GM that they will win while rebuilding. This organization is the worst in the league and the folks that want to focus on Francesa are just taking the cheese. Shurmur is a big part of the problem. Also, dealing with the media is a part of his job and not just the beat reporters that need these guys to put food on their table and can't challenge them.
RE: Maybe so but what was the worst thing he said  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14588934 Jimmy Googs said:
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in that interview spot?

I don't know - I don't listen to him.
Lol the GMs job isn't to tell the truth to the media.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/19/2019 10:38 pm : link
Waaaaaaaaah DG lied to us, you sound just like fat Mike.
RE: Lol the GMs job isn't to tell the truth to the media.  
dannyman3131 : 9/19/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14588984 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Waaaaaaaaah DG lied to us, you sound just like fat Mike.


You're a fool. The team is a train-wreck and you completely miss the point and are still focused on Mike. Also, you said it was a rebuilding year and they are only two games in...wrong... the GM said they could win with this team. He and his terrible coach should face the consequences of failing miserably.
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Micko : 9/19/2019 11:00 pm : link
To each his own I guess but I heard the interview live and thought it was outrageous. Way out of line.
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Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14589009 Micko said:
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To each his own I guess but I heard the interview live and thought it was outrageous. Way out of line.


What were the worst examples in your view?
GD  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:23 pm : link
For a guy "who do not listen to Mike" you confidently seem to justify talking about him a bunch here on this thread and know a whole lot of what he has to say.

Did he hurt you or something? Why dont you call him up and tell him how much he stinks? You sound like you are 14.
GD is wrong, big surprise  
Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:28 pm : link
Eli canceled his show with Mike after the draft and the Giants made the Jones pick
RE: GD  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14589026 Even Numbers said:
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For a guy "who do not listen to Mike" you confidently seem to justify talking about him a bunch here on this thread and know a whole lot of what he has to say.

Did he hurt you or something? Why dont you call him up and tell him how much he stinks? You sound like you are 14.

You guessed it, I'm 14.

Why wouldn't I be confident in talking about him? It's not like I've never listened to him - but like any sane, intelligent human, I realized that he's just another talking head that likes the sound of his own voice. I consider it a PSA to remind people that he's an idiot in case there are some who still consider him in any way credible.

In any case, since I expect you'll be gone soon, happy trails.
RE: GD  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14589026 Even Numbers said:
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For a guy "who do not listen to Mike" you confidently seem to justify talking about him a bunch here on this thread and know a whole lot of what he has to say.

Did he hurt you or something? Why dont you call him up and tell him how much he stinks? You sound like you are 14.


I take it you chose 14 because itís divisible by 2...?
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:43 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:44 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:44 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
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Even Numbers : 9/19/2019 11:45 pm : link
Hey Gatorade Duck - sorry man I understand hope is well
What are we debating here?  
AcesUp : 9/19/2019 11:53 pm : link
Francesa is a cartoon character. He pulled a giant cartoon mallet out on our coach and giant cartoon anvil fell on his head. Enjoy the show.
RE: GD is wrong, big surprise  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14589030 Even Numbers said:
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Eli canceled his show with Mike after the draft and the Giants made the Jones pick


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Less than 24 hours after the Giants drafted Eli Manning's eventual successor, Mike Francesa made a dramatic, on-air announcement that the Giants quarterback would no longer be doing his weekly radio spot on his WFAN show. Those two things, he said, were directly related - a sign of Manning's unhappiness about what the Giants just did.

But that doesn't appear to be the case at all.

The Giants actually told WFAN weeks ago that Manning was no longer interested in doing his weekly appearance, according to a source familiar with the situation, and it apparently had nothing to do with the Giants' draft plans. He has been doing a weekly radio appearance for his entire 15-year career, and simply wasn't interested in doing it anymore.

Wanna keep going? I promise you, you're out of your depth here.

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And there you are. You actually belive that?  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 2:07 pm : link
Ok, I know this routine. When dealing with people like you, pause and play it through.

First thing. Ralph Vacchiano is scum. You sending me his words is a joke right there and then.

"Source familiar with the situation" literally means nothing to me. Sorry, I don't quote garbage ass journalism with vague bullshit like "sources" when a source wasn't mentioned. Quit being a joke and name your source.

What producing physical evidence do you have that would make have in waiting weeks to announce Eli would not be coming on after the show? If that makes me a bitch, okay. Don't get on my bad side and choose wisely.


I'm just trying to figure out why Mike would wait and tell. Wouldn't it be Mike's interest to say it right away saying how he has contacts? Could it be that SNY and those idiots are motivated by public affairs? You tell me, GD.
RE: And there you are. You actually belive that?  
figgy2989 : 9/20/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14589796 Even Numbers said:
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Don't get on my bad side and choose wisely.


So if there is any statistical data that includes a 1, 3, 5, 7 or 9, would that constitute getting on your bad side?
RE: And there you are. You actually belive that?  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14589796 Even Numbers said:
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Ok, I know this routine. When dealing with people like you, pause and play it through.

First thing. Ralph Vacchiano is scum. You sending me his words is a joke right there and then.

"Source familiar with the situation" literally means nothing to me. Sorry, I don't quote garbage ass journalism with vague bullshit like "sources" when a source wasn't mentioned. Quit being a joke and name your source.

What producing physical evidence do you have that would make have in waiting weeks to announce Eli would not be coming on after the show? If that makes me a bitch, okay. Don't get on my bad side and choose wisely.


I'm just trying to figure out why Mike would wait and tell. Wouldn't it be Mike's interest to say it right away saying how he has contacts? Could it be that SNY and those idiots are motivated by public affairs? You tell me, GD.

Don't get on your bad side? I couldn't give half a fuck which of your sides I'm on. You'll be off this board by the end of the weekend.
francessa crossed the line with the giants a long time ago...  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 2:46 pm : link
this is just the latest installment. In life repercussions for bad behavior generally escalate. Now the QB's(note daniel jones won't go on with fatso either, way too burn bridges long term idiot), the HC and the GM won't go on air with him.

There was a time, not too long ago, when Mike and the Mad Dog were must listen talk radio for a NY fan in multiple sports. It's sad to see the degeneration into a caricature the show has become. No one has a problem with hard questions. Shurmur didn't. Until his 'host' denied him a fair hearing by stifling his replies with bombastic ranting. At one point he calmly asked to be given an opportunity to respond. And somewhat shockingly to me still wasn't. That was going too far. As he did by calling DG a liar for playing his franchise plans(which noone outside the organization has a right to) close to the vest.

Unfortunately it mirrors the state of journalism in general. Get it right has become get it first and accuracy be damned. A mindset to report the facts replaced by a self serving hyperbolic narrative. As a a consumer I don't trust anyone in the media today. I seek out unfiltered data and frame my world view accordingly.
But to answer your question  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 3:03 pm : link
and I'll try to keep this simple for you...

Mike had no reason to announce it when he was notified before the draft - Eli's spots were in the fall, so he had plenty of time to announce it when he chose to. Obviously, losing a high profile regular guest like Eli is not a good look for Mike, so as soon as he saw the chance to link it with a scenario that he was already annoyed made him look bad (that he was out of the loop with the Giants' draft intentions), he jumped on it to reinforce how much the Giants had screwed Eli with their choice of DJ. Francesa is nothing if not opportunistic.

Don't want to believe me? How about Mike himself?
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That was backed up by the Giants - I was told that by Mark Chernoff last Monday ("last Monday" in this quote is referring to April 22, three days before the draft), and I went up with it before the draft, which infuriated the Giants. ... It has everything to do with Eli did not know if he was confident enough he was going to finish the season, and he thought it would be embarrassing to have to answer questions about the quarterback every week while being the backup quarterback at the end of his career. He did not want to be put in that position."

I stand by my point that his listeners are clueless enough to give him any credibility, and I thank you for proving my point. I hope that didn't land me on your bad side, internet tough guy.
Here's the article itself  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 3:04 pm : link
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RE: Knineteen  
Knineteen : 9/20/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14588332 Eric from BBI said:
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I know you've been trying really hard for the last five years at work, but you're just not doing as well as your other co-workers.

So instead of asking you what is going on, or suggesting ways to improve and then observe your reaction, I'm just going to call you a loser to your face.

Loser.

Yes, that is exactly how the real world works. And if I'm deficient in certain areas because of the action (or lack of action) by my co-workers, then I make that known.

Listen, I think sports interviews are stupid to begin with but the constant banal dribble spurted out by this organization got old years ago.
GD I dont understand why you so mad though lol  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 6:37 pm : link
You are proof that you are being manipulated through ways of the other side who dont like mike. Keep running that joke game though.
He wrong though?  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 6:43 pm : link
Francesca, incidentally, hammered the Giants for their decision to draft Jones, calling them a "joke" and saying "The Giants, in a word folks, have become sad - a sad, chronic, losing organization." He also tweeted that the Giants "sold everybody a bunch of garbage" by claiming they were interested in winning, and then drafting Jones, and that it "proved that the Giants are completely lost."
"Hard to say," Francesa also tweeted, "the Giants have become a total joke."
'by claiming they were interested in winning'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 6:59 pm : link
Can you please list for us the sports franchises that publicly embrace a disinterest in winning? Francessa is so upset by this it must be a common credo. No? What a joke.
RE: GD I dont understand why you so mad though lol  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14590080 Even Numbers said:
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You are proof that you are being manipulated through ways of the other side who dont like mike. Keep running that joke game though.

Oooh, that joke game. You got me good!

I'm sorry that your life is whatever it must be that repeatedly creating new handles to troll a fucking message board appears to be something from which you derive enjoyment.
RE: 'by claiming they were interested in winning'  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14590098 Torrag said:
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Can you please list for us the sports franchises that publicly embrace a disinterest in winning? Francessa is so upset by this it must be a common credo. No? What a joke.


Bengals
GD. So anyone who disagrees with you  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 7:29 pm : link
...is therefore a troll? How haughty can you be? Cute. I got you.

Sounds a wee-bit childish on your end. Today must be your first day outside of YOUR echo-chamber doors where anyone who dares to against the mighty GD, you then call names. Over a glorified game of catch lol. Keep that same energy though, man.
RE: GD. So anyone who disagrees with you  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14590130 Even Numbers said:
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...is therefore a troll? How haughty can you be? Cute. I got you.

Sounds a wee-bit childish on your end. Today must be your first day outside of YOUR echo-chamber doors where anyone who dares to against the mighty GD, you then call names. Over a glorified game of catch lol. Keep that same energy though, man.

No, not anyone. Just you, buttercup.
I just think its funny  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 8:55 pm : link
you do more name calling, with the looks of homophobic indirect. You are a teenager, GD.
Not that you understand this anyway  
Even Numbers : 9/20/2019 8:57 pm : link
but Francesa stated on his most recent show that he believed Eli saw this coming for weeks before the draft.
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