Francesca is a blowhard. Shurmur should take his lumps but also say that he is unaware of Mike's credentials or credibility when it comes to being an NFL coach or GM. Ask Mike how he has handled being a head coach and transitioning from a beloved franchise QB to a new, young QB. Point out that it's really easy to sit back and point fingers when you have never done the job and will never be remotely qualified to do the job. Anyone can be a critic. Mike and his fellow talking heads are wrong all the time. Nobody is keeping score on them. They flip flop from day to day and their jobs are really just speculation and uneducated gossip. If Mike wants to be combative, game on.
they deserve to get lit up. They pandered to the small minority of people (some on this site) who were so delusional to think that "retooling" behind a qb whose skills have eroded over the past 3 years was a great organizational strategy
No one who's been treated that way would continue going on his show Â
Does Francesa have any regular guests at this point? The Mets and Jets blew him off years ago (remember Revis hanging up on him?), he's had issues with every Giant player/coach over the years, Phil Simms used to be a regular but not anymore, he had some falling out with Parcells, he chased Mad Dog to Sirius, everyone at WFAN hates him - he's clearly a toxic personality. I think Jim Nantz and ARod still give him the time of day, but that won't last either.
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Does Francesa have any regular guests at this point? The Mets and Jets blew him off years ago (remember Revis hanging up on him?), he's had issues with every Giant player/coach over the years, Phil Simms used to be a regular but not anymore, he had some falling out with Parcells, he chased Mad Dog to Sirius, everyone at WFAN hates him - he's clearly a toxic personality. I think Jim Nantz and ARod still give him the time of day, but that won't last either.
arod has slowly stopped with francesa and given more access to kay
right in character with everything Wellington and John have done for the past 50 + years.
The son of the guy who used to measure the column inches in the NY Times to see if the Jets were getting more and then complain tot he sports editor didn't fall far from the tree.
It's no fun seeing the Giants lose and get humiliated year after year. I saw that enough 40 plus years ago. But I'm not surprised.
If Mike wants to talk to the players or the coach Â
wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.
wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.
Out of curiosity, how much do you think these guys get paid to do it?
Its gotta be a couple grand at least a pop to make it worth their while.
is Eric From BBI. He's seeing dollar signs down the road.
Months from now, jtgiants will come back on a dupe and cite the REAL reason why Shurmur left. A lot of traffic will be driven to the site because of it. Win-Win.
Coughlin used to get similar treatment by Dog while Francesa played good cop. Tom never ducked.
There's a lack of credibility surrounding the Giants right now, and stuff like this doesn't help. They can't alter the reality that they have been a subpar organization for 6-7 years.
Maybe Mara should take the interview and tell Mike to cut the shit on air - people would have a lot more respect for that.
Coughlin used to get similar treatment by Dog while Francesa played good cop. Tom never ducked.
There's a lack of credibility surrounding the Giants right now, and stuff like this doesn't help. They can't alter the reality that they have been a subpar organization for 6-7 years.
Maybe Mara should take the interview and tell Mike to cut the shit on air - people would have a lot more respect for that.
It's not a no-brainer.
There's no reason whatsoever why the HC or the Giants organization should feel obligated to cater to fucking Mike Francesa.
Especially not when he's crossing the line with the questions he's asking and not even allowing the guy to answer half of the others because he's too busy screaming over him.
You are never going to win a public relations battle with a media outlet. MF is as arrogant of a media personality as there is, but where do you draw the line as a franchise? After all, how many here will tune in today to hear MF’s reaction? Exactly what he wants. So when the NFL Network or ESPN become critical (they already have) is the team going to refuse to talk to those NFL media partners? This is a slippery slope and the league is only in business because of the fans. I’m going to spend almost $1000 to go to Tampa this weekend to see the Giants. I want the team I root for to have to answer questions. They are in business to entertain. Interacting with the media is part of the business, this isn’t war and peace, it’s football. We can all turn it off or turn the dial if we don’t want to listen and don’t like the host. Horrible precedent and approach.
Francesa is now a parody of himself, he's just an idiot Â
As mentioned above, Shurmur is not the first player/coach to pull out. Its a trend that has been going on for a while. I am glad he did this, and I don't particularly even like Shurmur (who I think comes over as a condescending dick).
I don't believe just because you are a member of the media you should get what you want, or be able to say/lie whenever you feel like it. Where is the responsibility on the meida side (this is a general media statement not specific to the NFL). Francesa should just quit again.
interesting nonetheless, Tom Coughlin had done a weekly Monday Spot with Francessa and Russo from when he took over right up to week two in 2007, and discontinued it after starting 0-2. I think some good things followed. I don't think their was this kind of animosity back then though.
You sure about the timing of that? According to the link, TC canceled his spot in 2007 in March, way before the season, because he wanted it on Thursdays rather than Mondays.
And he did a number of interviews with Francesa in following years.
in the interview. And while I understand why Shurmur would stop, the better move is to show up and deal with The Dope.
Take the high road. Be the bigger person (figuratively, of course). But don't take you ball and go home because things are getting uncomfortable. It's a bad look from Jints Central as they keep trying to run away and hide.
This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
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wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.
Out of curiosity, how much do you think these guys get paid to do it?
Its gotta be a couple grand at least a pop to make it worth their while.
Francesa is an overblown, pompous asshole. Shurmur has no contractual obligation to do the show. Why should he subject himself to the harangues. And why do Giants fans care?
in the interview. And while I understand why Shurmur would stop, the better move is to show up and deal with The Dope.
Take the high road. Be the bigger person (figuratively, of course). But don't take you ball and go home because things are getting uncomfortable. It's a bad look from Jints Central as they keep trying to run away and hide.
This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
disagree - it’s one thing if it’s an interview with tough questions but another thing if it’s being berated and disrespected by the host.
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interacting with the media is part of the business, this isn’t war and peace, it’s football. Horrible precedent and approach.
I don't know man. When no sports teams want to even talk to Francesa, it's time to get a new media contact to interact with.
Shurmur interacts with the media every day, this isn't about that. Its about one ass named Francesa who doesn't deserve to be on the air. Where is the responsibility for fairness/being repsectful on his part? Why can he just say whatever he wants?
Shurmur doesn't have to be a passive, sitting duck. He could take some control by saying in a calm voice:
"Mike. I don't mind answering your questions, but I need you to give me time to answer the questions and I would appreciate it if you were less abrasive.
Usually you conduct a reasonable interview. Can we try to get back to that?"
“I think that was an organizational decision not to do that,” Shurmur said. “Most people aren't aware of this, but I wasn't contractually obligated to do that spot.
“We did it as a courtesy and out of respect for our relationship with the radio station. We just felt like for a while here, we'll put that to bed for a while, and just not do it and move forward."
when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
Mike is going to go ape shit on this organization today Â
when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
that's a question for DG and/or Mara. On a weekly spot with the coach, you get into certain play calls, the opponent, who's improving, position battles, etc. You don't question why the guy has a job after 2 weeks. There's no good answer to the question.
right in character with everything Wellington and John have done for the past 50 + years.
The son of the guy who used to measure the column inches in the NY Times to see if the Jets were getting more and then complain tot he sports editor didn't fall far from the tree.
It's no fun seeing the Giants lose and get humiliated year after year. I saw that enough 40 plus years ago. But I'm not surprised.
Bingo and you can bet Francesa knows history. A lot of the guys here who grew up under the Rozelle mandated operating agreement can’t see the backsliding and the return of some of the worst of the organization’s instincts.
in my opinion has handled this whole situation like a a-hole. I don't blame the Giants for their decision to stop the call in.
He has been brutal all week.
when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
Its a legit question. But not one you ask in a weekly call in segment.
Thats is the type of question you answer on ESPN with a sound cloud rapper by your side.
Can't wait to listen to the Funhouse twitter clips of him throwing a temper tantrum. I imagine if the Giants lose on Sunday he will have one of his nucleur rants directed at Shurmur. You know he's got that one in the chamber now. I love Francesa, completely driven by ego with either next level self awareness or absolutely none of it.
It's moronic the coach or players go on a show to give non answers to questions and in the process get ridiculed by a guy who knows very little about their job.
The two hours it takes Shurmur to deal with that distraction are much better served working on a gameplan that hopefully includes more than one scoring drive.
through that. Francesa made good points, but he continued to bulldozer Shurmur while he was speaking, and shurmur wasn't able to take control of the conversation.
In fact, he sounded a lot like McAdoo in a similar situation answering questions about OBJ.
mara not releasing any kind of a statement, etc Mike has really cut ties with the org. But to be fair, everyone that works for the Giants media really are protective and ra ra all the time no matter what. i stopped listening to BBKOL because it was TOO blue
Mike sits in his basement and rants and raves like a lunatic. Â
His decline over the last six years has been steeper than that of the Giants. I'm as down on the Giants front office as everyone else around here, but they deserve no grief for this decision. As I mentioned earlier, try to find an example of Francesa being this harsh on the lousy New York Knicks - he isn't, because the Garden essentially bribes him with tickets and VIP treatment. I've listened to Mike a long time and have defended him several times on here over the years, but his behavior in recent years is disgraceful. He really needs to retire and stay retired.
I know how he feels. The problem is, he's paid to be a sports journalist/talk show host. An interview should be that, an interview, not a chance to vent his frustrations about the Giants inability to get anything done.
when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
If a coach believes that particular question was offensive, that should tell you everything you need to know about the coach.
The question was basically an opening for him to sell himself to the public. The fact he couldn't even do that with any level of coherency was alarming.
It was a layup.
BTW, I don't believe at all the coach was going on for free. The Program Director arranges these contractual spots with players/coaches prior to the season. Most times, the payout is $100,000.
Shurmur saying he was not paid is a lie. He didn't just go on to take a verbal spanking for a few weeks free of charge.
I know how he feels. The problem is, he's paid to be a sports journalist/talk show host. An interview should be that, an interview, not a chance to vent his frustrations about the Giants inability to get anything done.
He's not paid to be a journalist. No talk radio host is paid to be a journalist.
By that standard, Joe Benigno is a journalist. And he is certainly not that.
It's moronic the coach or players go on a show to give non answers to questions and in the process get ridiculed by a guy who knows very little about their job.
The two hours it takes Shurmur to deal with that distraction are much better served working on a gameplan that hopefully includes more than one scoring drive.
There's about $100,000 reasons players and coaches do it.
It's free money for 15 to 20 minutes of time.
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You are never going to win a public relations battle with a media outlet. MF is as arrogant of a media personality as there is, but where do you draw the line as a franchise? After all, how many here will tune in today to hear MF’s reaction? Exactly what he wants. So when the NFL Network or ESPN become critical (they already have) is the team going to refuse to talk to those NFL media partners? This is a slippery slope and the league is only in business because of the fans. I’m going to spend almost $1000 to go to Tampa this weekend to see the Giants. I want the team I root for to have to answer questions. They are in business to entertain. Interacting with the media is part of the business, this isn’t war and peace, it’s football. We can all turn it off or turn the dial if we don’t want to listen and don’t like the host. Horrible precedent and approach.
Since when is Francessa "THE MEDIA". People choose who they want to give interviews to. Francessa acts like he's Tim Russert and his show is Meet the Press in their prime. He's not, neither is his show. During their prime, Russert was THE place to go for viewers. He may have been a tough interviewer, but he was respectful and fair. MF is an ass clown at this stage and fans have many choices to get their Giants color.
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
That’s not a fair question?
Players get similar questions from media when they’re playing bad and we expect them to stand up there and answer them.
There is a subtle difference between something like "tell me what went wrong on this play" or "what do you need to do to improve"
and
"You have never shown that you belong in the league, why do you think you deserve a roster spot let alone to start"
That's a fair take
arod has slowly stopped with francesa and given more access to kay
The son of the guy who used to measure the column inches in the NY Times to see if the Jets were getting more and then complain tot he sports editor didn't fall far from the tree.
It's no fun seeing the Giants lose and get humiliated year after year. I saw that enough 40 plus years ago. But I'm not surprised.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
Agree 100%. That wasn't a question seeking a legit answer, it was a direct attack on Shurmur. Don't blame him for cancelling one bit after that.
Why go on some guys show who's essentially calling you an f'ing loser to your face.
I think it either broke the camel's back or his rant yesterday highlighted that post the switch, the heat was only going up.
Giants probably blessed Shurmur telling Mike to fukk off.
Out of curiosity, how much do you think these guys get paid to do it?
Its gotta be a couple grand at least a pop to make it worth their while.
Months from now, jtgiants will come back on a dupe and cite the REAL reason why Shurmur left. A lot of traffic will be driven to the site because of it. Win-Win.
There's a lack of credibility surrounding the Giants right now, and stuff like this doesn't help. They can't alter the reality that they have been a subpar organization for 6-7 years.
Maybe Mara should take the interview and tell Mike to cut the shit on air - people would have a lot more respect for that.
There's a lack of credibility surrounding the Giants right now, and stuff like this doesn't help. They can't alter the reality that they have been a subpar organization for 6-7 years.
Maybe Mara should take the interview and tell Mike to cut the shit on air - people would have a lot more respect for that.
It's not a no-brainer.
There's no reason whatsoever why the HC or the Giants organization should feel obligated to cater to fucking Mike Francesa.
Especially not when he's crossing the line with the questions he's asking and not even allowing the guy to answer half of the others because he's too busy screaming over him.
The Giants do not owe Mike Francesa anything.
Zero, Zilch, Nada.
I don't believe just because you are a member of the media you should get what you want, or be able to say/lie whenever you feel like it. Where is the responsibility on the meida side (this is a general media statement not specific to the NFL). Francesa should just quit again.
You sure about the timing of that? According to the link, TC canceled his spot in 2007 in March, way before the season, because he wanted it on Thursdays rather than Mondays.
And he did a number of interviews with Francesa in following years.
TC cancels - ( New Window )
Take the high road. Be the bigger person (figuratively, of course). But don't take you ball and go home because things are getting uncomfortable. It's a bad look from Jints Central as they keep trying to run away and hide.
This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
I don't know man. When no sports teams want to even talk to Francesa, it's time to get a new media contact to interact with.
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wasn't doing it for free. So these "he should go on" comments are weird. It isn't his job to do the spot, he chose to for a fee and decided its not worth it anymore, same with Eli.
Out of curiosity, how much do you think these guys get paid to do it?
Its gotta be a couple grand at least a pop to make it worth their while.
Eli's deal was supposedly in the low six figures.
Take the high road. Be the bigger person (figuratively, of course). But don't take you ball and go home because things are getting uncomfortable. It's a bad look from Jints Central as they keep trying to run away and hide.
This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
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interacting with the media is part of the business, this isn’t war and peace, it’s football. Horrible precedent and approach.
I don't know man. When no sports teams want to even talk to Francesa, it's time to get a new media contact to interact with.
Shurmur interacts with the media every day, this isn't about that. Its about one ass named Francesa who doesn't deserve to be on the air. Where is the responsibility for fairness/being repsectful on his part? Why can he just say whatever he wants?
"Mike. I don't mind answering your questions, but I need you to give me time to answer the questions and I would appreciate it if you were less abrasive.
Usually you conduct a reasonable interview. Can we try to get back to that?"
Or words to that effect...
“We did it as a courtesy and out of respect for our relationship with the radio station. We just felt like for a while here, we'll put that to bed for a while, and just not do it and move forward."
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
that's a question for DG and/or Mara. On a weekly spot with the coach, you get into certain play calls, the opponent, who's improving, position battles, etc. You don't question why the guy has a job after 2 weeks. There's no good answer to the question.
The son of the guy who used to measure the column inches in the NY Times to see if the Jets were getting more and then complain tot he sports editor didn't fall far from the tree.
It's no fun seeing the Giants lose and get humiliated year after year. I saw that enough 40 plus years ago. But I'm not surprised.
He has been brutal all week.
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
Its a legit question. But not one you ask in a weekly call in segment.
Thats is the type of question you answer on ESPN with a sound cloud rapper by your side.
The two hours it takes Shurmur to deal with that distraction are much better served working on a gameplan that hopefully includes more than one scoring drive.
In fact, he sounded a lot like McAdoo in a similar situation answering questions about OBJ.
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
This is a legit question! Based off the evidence at this point he is a bad hire ... mismanagement of players, challenges, clock management, game planning and adjustments, D is basically keystone cops at this point ...
Why he is the right man for the job????
If a coach believes that particular question was offensive, that should tell you everything you need to know about the coach.
The question was basically an opening for him to sell himself to the public. The fact he couldn't even do that with any level of coherency was alarming.
It was a layup.
BTW, I don't believe at all the coach was going on for free. The Program Director arranges these contractual spots with players/coaches prior to the season. Most times, the payout is $100,000.
Shurmur saying he was not paid is a lie. He didn't just go on to take a verbal spanking for a few weeks free of charge.
He's not paid to be a journalist. No talk radio host is paid to be a journalist.
By that standard, Joe Benigno is a journalist. And he is certainly not that.
The two hours it takes Shurmur to deal with that distraction are much better served working on a gameplan that hopefully includes more than one scoring drive.
There's about $100,000 reasons players and coaches do it.
It's free money for 15 to 20 minutes of time.
Since when is Francessa "THE MEDIA". People choose who they want to give interviews to. Francessa acts like he's Tim Russert and his show is Meet the Press in their prime. He's not, neither is his show. During their prime, Russert was THE place to go for viewers. He may have been a tough interviewer, but he was respectful and fair. MF is an ass clown at this stage and fans have many choices to get their Giants color.