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Shurmur cancels weekly spot with Francesa

ryanmkeane : 9/19/2019 10:13 am
First Eli...now the coach. Seems like Mike is losing everyone in the organization after he has bashed them for the past year.
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Can't understand why anyone  
Lynch22 : 9/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
listens to that fat, arrogant, know nothing POS. Long live Al Alburquerque.
"Hey Coach, thanks for being on...  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
why are you shitty at your job?"
I'm torn  
Matt in SGS : 9/19/2019 12:11 pm : link
because I don't like the idea of being overly sensitive to the media and it makes Shurmur and the Giants look like they can't take the heat.

On the other side, Francesa has become a cartoon character at this point of his career. He's hardly the hill to die on in Shurmur deciding that he doesn't need to talk to him anymore.

It's clear the Giants and Francesa are done with each other.
Just win baby  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 12:13 pm : link
That will shut him up real quick on his DG&PS crap.
About time  
ZogZerg : 9/19/2019 12:24 pm : link
Giants should have cancelled these years ago....
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:26 pm : link
Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand
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Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:27 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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So, in essence, Pat Shurmur cancels spot with Mike Francesa, ending a weekly 20-minute interview in which Francesa did most of the talking.

Not sure Francesa can say any worse than he already has about Shurmur and the Giants. We'll see.
RE: ...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/19/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14587908 Eric from BBI said:
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Andrew Marchand
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Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.


Mara calls Francesa and this gets ironed out. This is Pat Hanlon.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:29 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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50m
If you listened to Shurmur's interview with Francesa last week, it wasn't an interview. It was Mike being Mike as a host, and one thing I've always admired as a Day 1 listener of Mike is his skill as an interviewer.

His weekly spots are not interviews anymore. They're just not.
RE: Mike crossed the line  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14587546 ron mexico said:
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when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.

Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.


Why not? There is zero evidence this guy is a good coach. And did you listen to his answer? Shurmur couldn’t even sell himself. And him trying to say the game against Buffalo was closer than it appeared tells me everything I need to know about this coach.

Yes Mike was tough on him and the Giants. But is he wrong? This franchise has become a joke. How about Shurmur pushing back against Mike and showing some conviction.

Lastly, while he’s not contractually obligated, it is nice as a fan to hear from the coach. Maybe he’ll find someone who doesn’t criticize him when his teams get blown out....
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:30 pm : link
Paul Schwartz
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They call them "guests'' on the radio. Invited guests. Sometimes paid, invited guests. But always welcome guests. It comes down to this, doesn't it? How do you treat your guests?
RE: ...  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14587921 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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If you listened to Shurmur's interview with Francesa last week, it wasn't an interview. It was Mike being Mike as a host, and one thing I've always admired as a Day 1 listener of Mike is his skill as an interviewer.

His weekly spots are not interviews anymore. They're just not.


Yeah Mike being Mike, let me ask a great question, wait for the interviewee to open their mouth, then I will answer for them.
Interesting situation  
moespree : 9/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
I can kind of see both sides to this. For the Giants, there's no reason to send your people on to do 15 minutes sports talk radio with a known loud mouthed antagonist who likes stirring the pot. Little to be gained from that, especially in this modern age where people don't really need a 15 minute radio interview to get information.

On the other hand, it does come off as feeble that someone who is clearly not a mouthpiece for the team and doesn't ask the kinds of questions you want gets under your skin so badly that you cancel the show.
RE: Francessa was a complete ass...  
ColHowPepper : 9/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14587729 bw in dc said:
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in the interview. And while I understand why Shurmur would stop, the better move is to show up and deal with The Dope.

Take the high road....
This organization is going through a dreadful spell. If you can show up for the good times, then you have to show up for the bad times.
Disagree bw: Yes, the franchise is going through a dreadful spell. But Francesa went way over the line by insulting the HC. As I said a couple of times in yesterday's threads, he went further, calling the team 'putrid'. That is strong stuff.

By contrast, in discussing the Jets' situation, where he predicted an 0-7 start, even while saying the Giants might win a couple, his commentary was free from the insulting characterizations. (Maybe this goes back to the newsprint measure stuff !!) He was doing his level best to insult the HC and the franchise, and he succeeded admirably. That's not the high road, bw, it's bending over to take a pole axe up the dark space.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14587926 Eric from BBI said:
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Paul Schwartz
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They call them "guests'' on the radio. Invited guests. Sometimes paid, invited guests. But always welcome guests. It comes down to this, doesn't it? How do you treat your guests?


That's a fair expectation. But it would be good to see Shurmur stick up for himself and try to set a better tone with Mike. The guy was All-Big 10 and received All American honors as an OL at Michigan State. He should be able to handle himself...
Francessa didn't conduct a civil, professional interview last week  
Torrag : 9/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
He ranted and didn't allow the coach to respond to questions. It was 10 minutes of hyperbole, buffoonery and lampoonery put on by a narcissist pushing a narrative. Frankly I was embarrassed for Mike that he's stooped into the dregs with the majority of 'journalists' today. Sad.

I have my questions and concerns about Shurmur and the Giants but that isn't how you engage someone in a Q&A. You are literally the hostand that comes with the responsibility to comport yourself respectfully. He did the same with his DG comments. You can't behave this way and expect to have access.
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
Why would anyone in their right mind want to subject themselves to this?

This is the effect of social media now permeating into normal society. This is not how normal people who know how to interact with other human beings talk to each other.

Ranting in not an interview.
Tom Coughlin, Ben mcadoo  
TrueBlue56 : 9/19/2019 12:42 pm : link
And now shurmur have all canceled their weekly spots with francesa when they were coaches. Not surprised.
RE: There is more to this story...has to be  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14587522 Chris684 said:
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Francesa has LOVED the New York Giants as an organization over the years.

You can't tell me this is all just because they took a quarterback in the draft.

Why is that so hard to believe? It's not JUST that they took a QB. It's that they took a QB after he was led to believe that they wouldn't, so it left him holding the bag with his supposed insider credentials tarnished. And to add insult to injury, Eli had already canceled his weekly appearance, which Francesa also attributed to the Giants taking a QB.

Francesa loses one of his most popular weekly guests and comes out of the situation looking like his inside info isn't so reliable, you don't think that's plenty to get such a massive ego worked up into a diet coke fueled lather?
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14587948 Eric from BBI said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to subject themselves to this?

This is the effect of social media now permeating into normal society. This is not how normal people who know how to interact with other human beings talk to each other.

Ranting in not an interview.


Francessa is an epic jerk off - agreed.

Personally, I'd like to hear Shurmur draw the line in the sane DURING the actual interview. I think going that route Shurmur would come off great.

I like people who are willing to take the heat regardless how ugly it gets.
i listened to it  
japanhead : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
and was actually impressed with how shurmur handled himself. mike reveres eli manning, and i think all of his nastiness has more to do with how the team's handled things with him post-2016 than anything else, although it's clear he absolutely despises gettleman.
This is a big old  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
"whatever".

Who we playing this week?
I recall listening to Mike's interview of Gettleman  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
a few days before last year's draft, and came away from it certain that the Giants were drafting a QB. Gettleman communicated it several different ways without coming right out and saying. I have no idea why Mike was blindsided by the QB selection.
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Matt in SGS : 9/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14587914 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Andrew Marchand
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Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.



Mara calls Francesa and this gets ironed out. This is Pat Hanlon.


I could surely see Pat doing this, but it would have to get signed off by Mara (and possibly Tisch). WFAN is the Giants flagship station do it's a bad look for both sides to have this happen. Ultimately, what this all could be about is the Giants will be looking for an apology from Francesa (it won't come).

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are trying to do their part to finally put Francesa out to pasture. Radio is hardly a lucrative career path now and I'm sure WFAN would love to save a couple of $$.

Murmur on Francessa  
VinegarPeppers : 9/19/2019 12:52 pm : link
You think it was brutal on Monday? Wait until today.
RE: Les...  
Les in TO : 9/19/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14587766 bw in dc said:
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Shurmur doesn't have to be a passive, sitting duck. He could take some control by saying in a calm voice:

"Mike. I don't mind answering your questions, but I need you to give me time to answer the questions and I would appreciate it if you were less abrasive.

Usually you conduct a reasonable interview. Can we try to get back to that?"

Or words to that effect...
it’s an option but assholes are going to be assholes so I don’t think that would change Francesca’s behaviour . Ideally Shurmur would take interviews with another host who is less of an asshole
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 12:56 pm : link
That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.
RE: Tom Coughlin, Ben mcadoo  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14587960 TrueBlue56 said:
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And now shurmur have all canceled their weekly spots with francesa when they were coaches. Not surprised.

way back when, Francesa "fired" Shockey from his weekly spot.
RE: bw in dc  
Les in TO : 9/19/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14587948 Eric from BBI said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to subject themselves to this?

This is the effect of social media now permeating into normal society. This is not how normal people who know how to interact with other human beings talk to each other.

Ranting in not an interview.
this type of outrage shock jockism has been a TV and radio staple for at least a decade before Zuckerberg invented Facebook. Both sports (Rome) and otherwise
RE: bw in dc  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/19/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.


Have you figured out what vacation house you’re gonna buy with all that traffic jtgiants is gonna drive in months from now when we find out the real scoop on why Shurmur quit Francesa?
RE: bw in dc  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.

as Don Draper once said, "that's what the money is for".
First of all  
Des51 : 9/19/2019 1:04 pm : link
PFT say it was the Giants, not Shurmur. that cancelled his appearance on Francesa's show and that Shurmur wasn't getting paid to do the show.
Francesca is a dipshit.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/19/2019 1:05 pm : link
An unprofessional manchild. I am perplexed that anyone gives that man a platform to spew his verbal diarrhea.

Shurmer's tenure has been a disaster for sure, but he shouldn't be obliged to give that asshole the time of day.
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ilikethenygiants : 9/19/2019 1:05 pm : link
It would have been incredible if Shumur was quick enough to respond by saying something like, "Mike, your ratings are falling, you don't do anything good any more, and your station is basically terrible. Tell me, what makes you think you're the guy to turn it around?"
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.


Of course it is.

But I'm just not a fan of throwing in the towel. I'd rather Shurmur still show up and fulfill the commitment. Kill Francessa with kindness.
Enzo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
I don't know what that means.

Are you saying Shurmur is supposed to come on a weekly radio show and have a host just rant at him with no questions?

Can you tell me who else subjects themselves to that?
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BillKo : 9/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14588026 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14587996 Eric from BBI said:


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That's a no-win situation. If Shurmur does what you want him to do, half the listeners (and most of the media) say he can't handle the pressure and flies off of the handle.



Of course it is.

But I'm just not a fan of throwing in the towel. I'd rather Shurmur still show up and fulfill the commitment. Kill Francessa with kindness.


I'd rather just see him stick to the show but also defend himself, and that doesn't mean acting back at Francessa the way Francessa does it.

But Big Mike obviously has an ax to grind with the Jints right now.........
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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/19/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14587984 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14587914 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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In comment 14587908 Eric from BBI said:


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Andrew Marchand
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Giants hierarchy spent a lot of Tuesday trying to figure out how they could continue to take "high road" with Francesa. He has called Gettleman a "liar," questioned Corey Ballentine after he was shot & yells instead of interviews. They decided there was no high road available.



Mara calls Francesa and this gets ironed out. This is Pat Hanlon.



I could surely see Pat doing this, but it would have to get signed off by Mara (and possibly Tisch). WFAN is the Giants flagship station do it's a bad look for both sides to have this happen. Ultimately, what this all could be about is the Giants will be looking for an apology from Francesa (it won't come).

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are trying to do their part to finally put Francesa out to pasture. Radio is hardly a lucrative career path now and I'm sure WFAN would love to save a couple of $$.


Pat went on the record on Twitter during the whole Gettleman situation and I do think Pat likely saw this as a way out from Big Mike for a while.
As the losing continues year after year  
eugibs : 9/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
the organization becomes more and more insular. I imagine it is full-on bunker mentality these days ("It's not us, it's everyone else").

Francesca has had a fine relationship with the organization for years, even long after Parcells was gone. So what has changed? Certainly not Francesca - he's always been the way he is (arguably he became a worse version of himself when he started working alone, but he continued to have a good relationship with the organization after that). What changed is the team is 8-26 since the start of the 2017 season.

As things keep getting worse and worse within the organization, any and all external criticism becomes all the more intolerable for them. If you think the laughable mentality that there is a "media conspiracy" against the Giants is just something a few homer fans cling to, I would be shocked if that same mentality does not currently hold water at the highest levels within the organization at this moment.
RE: Enzo  
Enzo : 9/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14588054 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't know what that means.

Are you saying Shurmur is supposed to come on a weekly radio show and have a host just rant at him with no questions?

Can you tell me who else subjects themselves to that?

you've never heard a radio spot get heated? Francesa is a clown but he's been this way for quite some time. Shurmur was getting paid a nice piece of change to come on every week, and he's a big boy who should have entered into this with no illusions about what kind of person Francesca has become.
RE: RE: Enzo  
ron mexico : 9/19/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14588100 Enzo said:
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In comment 14588054 Eric from BBI said:


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I don't know what that means.

Are you saying Shurmur is supposed to come on a weekly radio show and have a host just rant at him with no questions?

Can you tell me who else subjects themselves to that?


you've never heard a radio spot get heated? Francesa is a clown but he's been this way for quite some time. Shurmur was getting paid a nice piece of change to come on every week, and he's a big boy who should have entered into this with no illusions about what kind of person Francesca has become.


you think getting into a shouting match with Francessa would be a better look than just walking away?
I must be one of the minority  
Bruner4329 : 9/19/2019 1:46 pm : link
If Mike had gone on and thrown softballs at PS then he would have been criticized for sucking up. Instead he asks what I thought were good points... such as QB change won't help bad defense and the fact is they have stunk in all facets of the game through week 2.

I guess my point is if the person getting interviewed does not want to deal with real questions don't go on period.
Enzo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 1:48 pm : link
No, I have never heard a radio host treat a sports figure like that. Never.

And if you are defending that behavior, I am afraid that says something about your character.
Never understood why coaches agree to this..  
Sean : 9/19/2019 1:51 pm : link
I still remember Coughlin getting absolutely berated by Russo for electing to go for a 2pt conversion in Seattle in 2006. Literal shouting match. He cancelled right after.

Francesa pounded McAdoo over Beckham behavior.

Francesa saying Shurmur he’s clueless.

It isn’t needed.
Mike never had to pull stunts to get ratings  
GiantJake : 9/19/2019 2:01 pm : link
Since Mike came back, he has been in a ratings battle with the Michael Kay Show. He had to deal with a ratings book loss and has now adopted the strategy of many other talk radio shows. Push buttons, troll your listeners and the loonies will light up the phones. The press jumps in a takes it to another level. Mike always did his thing and pontificated on sports. Now he is going out of his way to be more provocative in his opinions. Remember when CMB replaced Mike? They were horrible out of the gate. They quickly retooled and started running the talk radio playbook. Push button topics and negativity. Obviously, Mike has also received the memo and it could explain why he is even more prickly than usual.
I'm ok with Shurmur and the Giants on this.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/19/2019 2:02 pm : link
It's fine for Mike to ask hard questions. It's fine for Shurmur to not want to answer them. It's also fine for Shurmur to basically decide "Life is too short."

My complaint is: WFAN is the Giants station. It is absolutely NOT the place to go for Giants news and coverage. The Yankees get more coverage year-round. I would like the Giants station to load up on Giants coverage. So now Shurmur's spot is done, Eli's spot is done. Where are the Giants? Who's got a regular spot? I don't even mind a guy like Dottino who is sort of a spokesman for the team — that has some value. But I'd like the Giants station to have Giants on.
Simply put, this was the class move for the Giants.  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 2:02 pm : link
There was a line. Francesa crossed it. When he was giving it to him about the CBs giving 15 yard cushions, that was acceptable. Calling the Giants HC a loser, was not.

We talk about the class of the Giants. The class move for the Giants is to not subject your head coach to that garbage. And I am proud of the organization for supporting their HC.
RE: First of all  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/19/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14588012 Des51 said:
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PFT say it was the Giants, not Shurmur. that cancelled his appearance on Francesa's show and that Shurmur wasn't getting paid to do the show.


They have to say he wasn't getting paid. Because of they said he was getting paid (as all of their previous interview spots have been before - why would this one suddenly be different?) and then decided to cancel, that would not look good PR wise.

Remember, when they were winning, you could count on both hands the amount of Giants players who were doing weekly paid interviews each week. Some guys, like Antrel Rolle, did it for years. Some guys used those spots to launch TV careers they currently have NOW after they retired.

If all of those previous paid interviews existed, why suddenly would Shurmur's interview be of no charge at all to the sports station that was getting him exclusively at a specific day and time? The other station didn't have access to him.

Francesa has been the same person he's always been. The only thing in the equation that has changed has the sustained Giants losing and what many perceive to be utter ineptness in the management. This has the Giants in bunker mode, hiding from everyone. The only place you will hear them now is on their own internally produced shows where their own employees are the ones asking the questions. ]
BigBlueinChicago  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:13 pm : link
Oh bullshit.

Hey, where are you? Let me come over and yell in your face, "Loser, loser!" a few times and see how you react.
BigBlueinChicago  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 2:14 pm : link
You want to make a point as an interviewer, asking difficult questions but don't be an asshole about it.

It's not that tough.
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