I can see why the organization would stand by him doing this. Truly I don't think ANY of the interviews Shurmur gave to Francesa were must listens or broke any story. It was Shurmur taking the Jeter approach; stock answers and don't give em anything.
I am not a uuuuge fan of Francesa, but he vents like a fan and he gets to question the 'guys in power'. I can sometimes appreciate his tirades....when it coinsides with my agenda;)
Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
It benefits the fans who are acting like Francesa is. It's the closest they can get to 'venting' to the Giants about how angry they are and it makes them feel better.
I think Francesa has been positively insufferable since coming back and is acting like a giant whiny baby because the Giants aren't giving him what they want.
Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
Just shows weakness. This goes with life too. If things get rough and etc, "oh let me crawl up into ball because they are criticizing me!" and so forth.
It's not once but few times Giants went home crying, sort of speak, because their feelings were hirt or criticized. Stand up to this shit, and prove them wrong..just weak, very weak showing.
They all know what Francesa is but still went on a spot with him..not the first time.
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Shurmer does not have a paid spot. Shurmer did not cancel the spot. The Giants organization canceled the spot, which they accommodated due to WFAN being the flagship station for them.
This is definitely a Mara move stemming from Mike’s criticism of him. Mike was definitely harsh but nothing he said was incorrect. Pat could have stuck up for himself and team.
So he was getting paid and lied about it? If true, you'd think Mike would surely say so.
Or are you just making this up?
I believe he’s lying. I’ve worked in the radio business.
Specific guests with sponsors do not get arranged on particular shows for specific days and times without that being signed off by all parties. Those are paid spots that the station specifically sells advertising for (“The Pat Shurmur Report is brought to you by (name of advertiser).”)
Same for Aaron Boone, Mickey Callaway and all the other coaches they have had on their air. Same for Adam Gase on 98.7. Yet, only his is free of charge? He’s not being truthful.
There is a monetary arrangement for that interview, It is never done for free.
Mike and the Mad Dog was must listen for sports fans in NY and was the standard against which all other sports talk shows were measured. Now Mike is a "has been" who struck out with his commercial model and has to resort to these tactics to try and remain in the spotlight. Anyone who still listens to him must be as clueless as Mike.
No, I have never heard a radio host treat a sports figure like that. Never.
And if you are defending that behavior, I am afraid that says something about your character.
How about the Jim Rome - Chris Everett interview?
I listened to the interview. What was so horrible? He didn't scream at Shurmur (we've all heard Francesa scream at people before on the air - that wasn't it). Francesa basically apologized before asking him the question that sent everyone to their fainting couches ("this is a very tough question, but fans want to know..."). Also, anyone who has ever been on more than a few job interviews before has been asked the question "explain why you are the right person for this job." It's not a disrespectful question. All the guy has ever done is lose and, right now, he's continuing to lose. I have no problem asking him to explain why he thinks that things are going to change. He also complimented Shurmur in the interview for coming on the show and answering the questions in a fair manner.
The fact is that, whatever you think about Francesa, it is not a decision made by Shurmur and the Giants in confidence. They are being sensitive and defensive - and it stems from the fact that results are so bad. I think it has very little to do with Francesa.
let's be clear... Coughlin, McAdoo, and Shurmur were not being paid for the spot. The Giants and WFAN have a relationship (or at least had one), but the coaches were not being paid.
I felt differently about Gettleman when he passed - that was one spot, outside of the season, where there'd be no fallout to cause a distraction or otherwise impact the team. To me, that just seemed like a weak move, even if Francesa was unreasonable.
Shurmur going on during the week, during the season, having Francesa bait him into saying something that could either be considered as revealing strategic moves or make bulletin board material for other teams - that kind of stuff, combined with taking him away from an already busy schedule - really begs to say 'fuck this' even if it wasn't super confrontational.
And you think the Rome was OK calling his guest names?
What is wrong with you? Seriously.
No, of course not. The point is that there is a line as a journalist between asking your guest difficult, but relevant, questions and straight up disrespecting and taunting your guest. The Rome example is clearly on the wrong side of that line. My point is that you can't even compare the Francesa-Shurmur interview to that Jim Rome example, so to say Francesa treated Shurmur in a way that you have never seen an interviewer treat a guest before does not seem correct to me. To my ears, Francesa's interview was nowhere even close to approaching "beyond the pale" behavior.
He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.
Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
So in order to not "show weakness", you want Shurmur to come on and get into a screaming match with the radio host?
The Giants aren't walking away from a debate. They aren't walking away from being criticized. They are walking away from a raving lunatic.
Does he have to scream or have a screaming match? That would be up to shurmur if he wanted..but theres ways to move on and give an interview and make a point and move on standing up to any difficult questions. You figure being a head coach has much more agitation and etc than just a measely interviews. Shows weakness
certainly more interesting than anything the Giants do on the field lately. The part i found the most interesting is that the "Giants" called and were screaming at the producer. Gee I wonder who that was. Mr class act?
He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.
Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
I agree that there is outrageous behavior all around us now on television and radio (in sports and, obviously, otherwise). I just don't see the issue here. Yes, Francesa is a blowhard and he talks over his guests. But that's how he is with everyone - it comes with the territory with him (it didn't seem to be a problem for Giants head coaches for decades before this). I cannot think of one thing he said about the team in the interview that I thought was unfair. Nor can I think of a single personal shot or, even an unfair football shot, that he took at Shurmur. Do you really think this is about the Giants taking a stand for civility? I think it is just symptomatic of an organization in a defensive crouch with a bunker mentality. The flop sweat is everywhere.
He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.
Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
I agree that there is outrageous behavior all around us now on television and radio (in sports and, obviously, otherwise). I just don't see the issue here. Yes, Francesa is a blowhard and he talks over his guests. But that's how he is with everyone - it comes with the territory with him (it didn't seem to be a problem for Giants head coaches for decades before this). I cannot think of one thing he said about the team in the interview that I thought was unfair. Nor can I think of a single personal shot or, even an unfair football shot, that he took at Shurmur. Do you really think this is about the Giants taking a stand for civility? I think it is just symptomatic of an organization in a defensive crouch with a bunker mentality. The flop sweat is everywhere.
you realize there is more than just the shurmur interview right? he ripped gettleman for not telling him the truth..
he ripped ballentine for getting shot, this is a cumilitive thing, this is not one instance...
there is a reason multiple teams have cancelled interviews
let's be clear... Coughlin, McAdoo, and Shurmur were not being paid for the spot. The Giants and WFAN have a relationship (or at least had one), but the coaches were not being paid.
As I've stated, the radio host made no effort to LEARN anything from his GUEST or PROVIDE any sort of info to his LISTENERS. He demeaned the man right to his "face."
There is a way to criticize, analyze, prod for more information without being a utter jackass.
All that interview was was Giant-bashing porn for listeners who are mad as hell.
It's not a "bunker mentality" to simply choose not to be the anvil.
Shurmur finished the "interview" (aka rant) in question. He didn't hang up.
He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.
If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?
Maybe I'd let that roll off my back and disagree and prove you wrong. And if you wanted keep calling "me a loser" etc that's your problem. But i wouldn't back away or "take my ball and go home" I'd stay and eventually, or try like hell, prove you wrong. If I don't, then you were right, and we move along. Sorry I wouldn't be "weak" bc someone say blah blah about me. Case in point..this site..i get heat from many or into it..its life..let it roll off your back and move along. Shurmur, and the way this sounds, it comes from the giants themselves of running and hiding from criticism. Weak..sorry
Shurmur finished the "interview" (aka rant) in question. He didn't hang up.
He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.
If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?
I am inclined to agree with you, but the perception among the fan base is that Shurmur is weak because he did so. Most people who will not think about this nearly as much you or I or most people on this site will just read the headline and say "what a wimp"
With all that said, this could have been avoided if they did not sign up to do this in the first place, which is the real decision I question.
This organization has sucked for 6 of the last 7 years. At least Francesser is calling them out on it.
How much more "we're working at it" can you fools take on a YEARLY basis?! I wish I saw this team through rose-colored glasses like the rest of you. Have "faith", right?
To the interview, but clearly missed some of the contentious questions posed by Francesa. He was certainly combative with Shurmur, but generally asked reasonable questions. I cannot fathom how, "are you the right man to turn this around, given your losing record", is a disrespectful or disingenuous question?
This smacks of the old Jets, where they wouldn't go on his show because they were losing, and worse off, showing severe and continuous disfunction. I dislike Francesa as much as the next Giants fan, but did not take issue with this particular interview.
For those who did, what questions would you have posed to Shurmur?
There are so many intelligent ways to go after Shurmur on a professional standpoint. Ask the hard questions. Even if he doesn't answer, you have to put him on the spot, but personal attacks are junk radio.
Ask the questions people want to hear answered. Hammer him on why Saquon doesn't get the ball on 3rd downs. Put the heat on him for this defense, which as head coach, he is responsible for.
To the interview, but clearly missed some of the contentious questions posed by Francesa. He was certainly combative with Shurmur, but generally asked reasonable questions. I cannot fathom how, "are you the right man to turn this around, given your losing record", is a disrespectful or disingenuous question?
This smacks of the old Jets, where they wouldn't go on his show because they were losing, and worse off, showing severe and continuous disfunction. I dislike Francesa as much as the next Giants fan, but did not take issue with this particular interview.
For those who did, what questions would you have posed to Shurmur?
what would you expect him to say "No, I am not?" What is the point of the question other than to embarrass him? THe question that seeks information is "How will you turn this around" then he and his fans can evaluate the answer and judge him on it. By saying that he is a loser the question implies that he cannot turn it around. It is a terrible question if it is designed to get information.
I know you've been trying really hard for the last five years at work, but you're just not doing as well as your other co-workers.
So instead of asking you what is going on, or suggesting ways to improve and then observe your reaction, I'm just going to call you a loser to your face.
Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?
It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.
I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
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There are so many intelligent ways to go after Shurmur on a professional standpoint. Ask the hard questions. Even if he doesn't answer, you have to put him on the spot, but personal attacks are junk radio.
Ask the questions people want to hear answered. Hammer him on why Saquon doesn't get the ball on 3rd downs. Put the heat on him for this defense, which as head coach, he is responsible for.
What were the personal attacks?
Fat Mike sucks and thats why I don't listen to him Â
but the idea that your HC cannot answer questions properly.. your starting QB who has never slipped during interviews are all being cancelled from their radio station.. is indicative of how bad of an organization the Mara's have been running for a long time now..
Blame Fat Mike now all you want.. but the real reason behind this is the crappy way everything has been done since 2012.. Fat Mike was an ass hole long time ago..
Yelled at Shurmur while on the show? That happened? Or did he yell about him during the week? If it's the ladder, then you can argue the Giants are running scared, if he actually yelled at Shurmur then they are right to pull the plug. That doesn't change the fact that Barkley has 15 running backs with more carries, but everything changes now that the problem is gone and now the genius can go to work. I hope I am wrong, but he has a great running back, good offensive line and horrible defense, but couldn't figure out that running the ball gives you the best chance to win. His genius game plan is much too important for that nonsense. A game plan through the guy picked 2nd last season with play action off that is childs play for this brain.
Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?
It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.
I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
You don't think Francesa has been getting more and more unhinged as time has gone on? The man sounds like he has a loose screw.
The fact that we are even having this debate I find appalling. You guys are literally condemning an organization for not wanting to come on once a week to hear how much they suck. And you find that strange?
you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
It benefits the fans who are acting like Francesa is. It's the closest they can get to 'venting' to the Giants about how angry they are and it makes them feel better.
I think Francesa has been positively insufferable since coming back and is acting like a giant whiny baby because the Giants aren't giving him what they want.
but I have no problem with him not coming on Francesa's show every week. It's pretty clear now Francesa just wants Giants to come on to shit on every week since his falling out with the Giants. I have no issue with this.
Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?
It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.
I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
You don't think Francesa has been getting more and more unhinged as time has gone on? The man sounds like he has a loose screw.
The fact that we are even having this debate I find appalling. You guys are literally condemning an organization for not wanting to come on once a week to hear how much they suck. And you find that strange?
1. "Dave Gettleman is a liar."
2. "The Giants are run by clowns."
3. "Corey Ballentine must have questionable character, because he got shot."
4. "Pat Shurmur, you're a loser head coach."
5. "The Giants used to be a classy organization, but not anymore."
6. "...Why have the Giants stopped talking to me?"
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
I am not a uuuuge fan of Francesa, but he vents like a fan and he gets to question the 'guys in power'. I can sometimes appreciate his tirades....when it coinsides with my agenda;)
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
It benefits the fans who are acting like Francesa is. It's the closest they can get to 'venting' to the Giants about how angry they are and it makes them feel better.
I think Francesa has been positively insufferable since coming back and is acting like a giant whiny baby because the Giants aren't giving him what they want.
The team doesn't owe him a damn thing.
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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
Just shows weakness. This goes with life too. If things get rough and etc, "oh let me crawl up into ball because they are criticizing me!" and so forth.
It's not once but few times Giants went home crying, sort of speak, because their feelings were hirt or criticized. Stand up to this shit, and prove them wrong..just weak, very weak showing.
They all know what Francesa is but still went on a spot with him..not the first time.
Shurmer does not have a paid spot. Shurmer did not cancel the spot. The Giants organization canceled the spot, which they accommodated due to WFAN being the flagship station for them.
Or are you just making this up?
Francesa was very rude.. Parcells would have never put up with that BS and neither should Shurmur.
This is a soft move from the Giants.
Or are you just making this up?
On the contrary, Eli used to have a paid spot with WFAN and he decided to end his contractual spot this offseason.
Or are you just making this up?
I believe he’s lying. I’ve worked in the radio business.
Specific guests with sponsors do not get arranged on particular shows for specific days and times without that being signed off by all parties. Those are paid spots that the station specifically sells advertising for (“The Pat Shurmur Report is brought to you by (name of advertiser).”)
Same for Aaron Boone, Mickey Callaway and all the other coaches they have had on their air. Same for Adam Gase on 98.7. Yet, only his is free of charge? He’s not being truthful.
There is a monetary arrangement for that interview, It is never done for free.
And if you are defending that behavior, I am afraid that says something about your character.
How about the Jim Rome - Chris Everett interview?
I listened to the interview. What was so horrible? He didn't scream at Shurmur (we've all heard Francesa scream at people before on the air - that wasn't it). Francesa basically apologized before asking him the question that sent everyone to their fainting couches ("this is a very tough question, but fans want to know..."). Also, anyone who has ever been on more than a few job interviews before has been asked the question "explain why you are the right person for this job." It's not a disrespectful question. All the guy has ever done is lose and, right now, he's continuing to lose. I have no problem asking him to explain why he thinks that things are going to change. He also complimented Shurmur in the interview for coming on the show and answering the questions in a fair manner.
The fact is that, whatever you think about Francesa, it is not a decision made by Shurmur and the Giants in confidence. They are being sensitive and defensive - and it stems from the fact that results are so bad. I think it has very little to do with Francesa.
The Giants aren't walking away from a debate. They aren't walking away from being criticized. They are walking away from a raving lunatic.
What is wrong with you? Seriously.
Shurmur going on during the week, during the season, having Francesa bait him into saying something that could either be considered as revealing strategic moves or make bulletin board material for other teams - that kind of stuff, combined with taking him away from an already busy schedule - really begs to say 'fuck this' even if it wasn't super confrontational.
What is wrong with you? Seriously.
No, of course not. The point is that there is a line as a journalist between asking your guest difficult, but relevant, questions and straight up disrespecting and taunting your guest. The Rome example is clearly on the wrong side of that line. My point is that you can't even compare the Francesa-Shurmur interview to that Jim Rome example, so to say Francesa treated Shurmur in a way that you have never seen an interviewer treat a guest before does not seem correct to me. To my ears, Francesa's interview was nowhere even close to approaching "beyond the pale" behavior.
And yes, what Francesa did was outrageous.
He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.
Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
God that's sounds like something you know who would tweet
LOL. He's so insecure and cannot handle being told no by someone.
Absolutely insufferable.
The Giants aren't walking away from a debate. They aren't walking away from being criticized. They are walking away from a raving lunatic.
Does he have to scream or have a screaming match? That would be up to shurmur if he wanted..but theres ways to move on and give an interview and make a point and move on standing up to any difficult questions. You figure being a head coach has much more agitation and etc than just a measely interviews. Shows weakness
He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.
If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?
And yes, what Francesa did was outrageous.
He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.
Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
I agree that there is outrageous behavior all around us now on television and radio (in sports and, obviously, otherwise). I just don't see the issue here. Yes, Francesa is a blowhard and he talks over his guests. But that's how he is with everyone - it comes with the territory with him (it didn't seem to be a problem for Giants head coaches for decades before this). I cannot think of one thing he said about the team in the interview that I thought was unfair. Nor can I think of a single personal shot or, even an unfair football shot, that he took at Shurmur. Do you really think this is about the Giants taking a stand for civility? I think it is just symptomatic of an organization in a defensive crouch with a bunker mentality. The flop sweat is everywhere.
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Jim Rome should have been fired.
And yes, what Francesa did was outrageous.
He wasn't trying to learn anything from his guest. He simply had him on the show to use as a prop while he went on a rant. There are things that are done and not done in civil society. And if people don't start standing up against this crap, it will only get worse.
Francesa is a loser. He hates himself so much that he has to take it out on others.
I agree that there is outrageous behavior all around us now on television and radio (in sports and, obviously, otherwise). I just don't see the issue here. Yes, Francesa is a blowhard and he talks over his guests. But that's how he is with everyone - it comes with the territory with him (it didn't seem to be a problem for Giants head coaches for decades before this). I cannot think of one thing he said about the team in the interview that I thought was unfair. Nor can I think of a single personal shot or, even an unfair football shot, that he took at Shurmur. Do you really think this is about the Giants taking a stand for civility? I think it is just symptomatic of an organization in a defensive crouch with a bunker mentality. The flop sweat is everywhere.
you realize there is more than just the shurmur interview right? he ripped gettleman for not telling him the truth..
he ripped ballentine for getting shot, this is a cumilitive thing, this is not one instance...
there is a reason multiple teams have cancelled interviews
Thanks for the info.
So just people stating their assumptions as fact.
As I've stated, the radio host made no effort to LEARN anything from his GUEST or PROVIDE any sort of info to his LISTENERS. He demeaned the man right to his "face."
There is a way to criticize, analyze, prod for more information without being a utter jackass.
All that interview was was Giant-bashing porn for listeners who are mad as hell.
It's not a "bunker mentality" to simply choose not to be the anvil.
He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.
If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?
Maybe I'd let that roll off my back and disagree and prove you wrong. And if you wanted keep calling "me a loser" etc that's your problem. But i wouldn't back away or "take my ball and go home" I'd stay and eventually, or try like hell, prove you wrong. If I don't, then you were right, and we move along. Sorry I wouldn't be "weak" bc someone say blah blah about me. Case in point..this site..i get heat from many or into it..its life..let it roll off your back and move along. Shurmur, and the way this sounds, it comes from the giants themselves of running and hiding from criticism. Weak..sorry
He (and the Giants) are simply saying they don't want to reward that kind of behavior with future interviews.
If you came to my house, and I started yelling at you and calling you a loser, would you be showing "weakness" by not coming over again when invited?
I am inclined to agree with you, but the perception among the fan base is that Shurmur is weak because he did so. Most people who will not think about this nearly as much you or I or most people on this site will just read the headline and say "what a wimp"
With all that said, this could have been avoided if they did not sign up to do this in the first place, which is the real decision I question.
How much more "we're working at it" can you fools take on a YEARLY basis?! I wish I saw this team through rose-colored glasses like the rest of you. Have "faith", right?
This smacks of the old Jets, where they wouldn't go on his show because they were losing, and worse off, showing severe and continuous disfunction. I dislike Francesa as much as the next Giants fan, but did not take issue with this particular interview.
For those who did, what questions would you have posed to Shurmur?
Ask the questions people want to hear answered. Hammer him on why Saquon doesn't get the ball on 3rd downs. Put the heat on him for this defense, which as head coach, he is responsible for.
This smacks of the old Jets, where they wouldn't go on his show because they were losing, and worse off, showing severe and continuous disfunction. I dislike Francesa as much as the next Giants fan, but did not take issue with this particular interview.
For those who did, what questions would you have posed to Shurmur?
what would you expect him to say "No, I am not?" What is the point of the question other than to embarrass him? THe question that seeks information is "How will you turn this around" then he and his fans can evaluate the answer and judge him on it. By saying that he is a loser the question implies that he cannot turn it around. It is a terrible question if it is designed to get information.
So instead of asking you what is going on, or suggesting ways to improve and then observe your reaction, I'm just going to call you a loser to your face.
Loser.
It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.
I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
Ask the questions people want to hear answered. Hammer him on why Saquon doesn't get the ball on 3rd downs. Put the heat on him for this defense, which as head coach, he is responsible for.
What were the personal attacks?
Blame Fat Mike now all you want.. but the real reason behind this is the crappy way everything has been done since 2012.. Fat Mike was an ass hole long time ago..
It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.
I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
You don't think Francesa has been getting more and more unhinged as time has gone on? The man sounds like he has a loose screw.
The fact that we are even having this debate I find appalling. You guys are literally condemning an organization for not wanting to come on once a week to hear how much they suck. And you find that strange?
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
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Just stay away these interviews/spots and "control" from taking heat.
Giants org used to "have balls" and stood up to criticism instead of taking the proverbial "ball and going home" weak. Stand up to these media jerks
Bullshit. It wasn't an interview. It was just a rant.
It's stunning that any of you guys are suggesting that the Giants should simply continue to come onto the show and just get into a screaming match.
Why? Would the point of that be? Who does that benefit?
It benefits the fans who are acting like Francesa is. It's the closest they can get to 'venting' to the Giants about how angry they are and it makes them feel better.
I think Francesa has been positively insufferable since coming back and is acting like a giant whiny baby because the Giants aren't giving him what they want.
The team doesn't owe him a damn thing.
This is so true.
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Not analogous. This isn't personal it's business. WFAN is paying to be the Giants station. Francesa is the drive time host on WFAN. Francesa has been doing what he does for decades. Why sign up for this to begin with?
It's weak as hell quitting after two games. Especially for a football coach. How about showing some fight back? No surprise the Giants quit on the field too. Shurmur is passive and bland. His team is passive and bland.
I think it was pretty telling when Francesa listed the other coaches who have quit mid season on him. Shurmur will probably win one thing. He'll be the first one not to get fired during the season. We're probably not even half way through the Gettleman Shurmur error but anyone paying attention can see how it will end.
You don't think Francesa has been getting more and more unhinged as time has gone on? The man sounds like he has a loose screw.
The fact that we are even having this debate I find appalling. You guys are literally condemning an organization for not wanting to come on once a week to hear how much they suck. And you find that strange?
1. "Dave Gettleman is a liar."
2. "The Giants are run by clowns."
3. "Corey Ballentine must have questionable character, because he got shot."
4. "Pat Shurmur, you're a loser head coach."
5. "The Giants used to be a classy organization, but not anymore."
6. "...Why have the Giants stopped talking to me?"