you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
I cant believe anyone is defending the cancellation Â
MF: You've clearly had a lot of success as an offensive coordinator. Some of your offenses have been electric. Talk to us about some of the challenges that successful coordinators have in transitioning to a head coach and turning around a franchise. What is your approach to overcome those obstacles where so many others have failed?
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Serilously what did you expect Shurmur to say? Mike we are in the Â
middle of a rebuild, we have a young defense that is going to struggle, and I'm about to insert a rookie QB in the lineup. Even the Dolphins aren't out and out saying they are tanking.
I'm listening to it now....as soon as he went to the past cancellation Â
when he cited his career record and asked him why he is the guy to turn it around.
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
Bullshit.
It's about time someone brings up his ineptitude to the Shurminator. Is Shurm that thin skinned that he's pussing out on his weekly spots with Fat Mike? Apparently so.
you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Other than the comments about Ballantine (sp?), has Francesa said anything untrue regarding the Giants? The Organization is 8-26, including 5-13 under Shurmur. They have made several head scratching moves that have yet to yield fruitful results nor appear to even be heading in the correct direction. So again, the organization looks like its running from a dissenter.
for no reason other than the giants lied to him is ok? because he was fed bad info he is allowed tp rip them? because he got made a fooled of because he proclaimed the giants were not taking a qb he is allowed to rip them?
francesa is a blowhard who js mad because he is not getting fed info anymore.
Im not sure many of you listened to this interview Â
There were no personal insults and no "screaming" match
Shurmur concluded the interview by saying it was a "good talk"
Shurmur did at one point say to "let me finish" and Francesa responded by letting him finish
Mike Francesa never called Pat Shurmur a "loser". He cited his HC record and asked why should Giants fans should trust him when he says they will turn it around
This interview was an embarrassment and humiliation but it was for Shurmur and not Francesa
Shurmurs approach to the entire interview was the that all is well and the team is progressing. His approach was essentially the Giants played a "close" and "competitive" game against a very good team and that they barely lost and he was talking about rveryone as if they played well. It was a head in the sand interview and he was challenged by the interviewer, as he should have been.
He is 0-2 and 5-13 here. They have lost 63-31 in 2 games. They have been down 42-14 at the half. The Bills were a 6 win team on the road with a 2nd yr starter. The Bills are 2-0 now yes but beat 3 and 5 win teams from last year.
I cant imagine what its like to interview a guy who is pretending that things are going just fine and progress is right around the corner.
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There were no personal insults and no "screaming" match
Shurmur concluded the interview by saying it was a "good talk"
Shurmur did at one point say to "let me finish" and Francesa responded by letting him finish
Mike Francesa never called Pat Shurmur a "loser". He cited his HC record and asked why should Giants fans should trust him when he says they will turn it around
This interview was an embarrassment and humiliation but it was for Shurmur and not Francesa
Shurmurs approach to the entire interview was the that all is well and the team is progressing. His approach was essentially the Giants played a "close" and "competitive" game against a very good team and that they barely lost and he was talking about rveryone as if they played well. It was a head in the sand interview and he was challenged by the interviewer, as he should have been.
He is 0-2 and 5-13 here. They have lost 63-31 in 2 games. They have been down 42-14 at the half. The Bills were a 6 win team on the road with a 2nd yr starter. The Bills are 2-0 now yes but beat 3 and 5 win teams from last year.
I cant imagine what its like to interview a guy who is pretending that things are going just fine and progress is right around the corner.
This was exactly my take. But I guess this all goes back to the narrative on BBI from the summer where the media was being "disrespectful" to the Giants. I would say if the Giants fortunes turnaround, the media's perspective will follow in kind.
you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Ok, so what things has Francesa said about the Gettleman/Shurmur Giants that are unfair or untrue?
I would just like to say that I hate having to defend Francesa. I haven't regularly listened to his show in at least 15 years. I don't like him at all. But this Giants vs. "the media" stuff drives me up a wall. This particular story especially aggravates me because it shows that the organization is just as bothered by "the media" as some fans are - which shows me that they are defensive and in denial. The problem the Giants have is not that Mike Francesa won't let Pat Shurmur talk, the problem the Giants have is that they are a bad football team. If they were a confident organization that was confident in their direction, Pat Shurmur could go on the show and be able to make his case and let the fans decide for themselves where things stand (he's supposed to be answering these questions for us, his customers, not Mike Francesa). Instead, he has nothing to say. Nothing. "I thought the defense looked a little better in the second half." "We're just trying to win a game in Tampa." "Yeah, we need to get better at that." That is why he cancelled his weekly appearance.
You may want to remember that Bill Parcells used to call the media "Commies... subversives from within"... and that was during the 1990 Super Bowl season and at a completely different time for the media.
You may want to remember that Bill Parcells used to call the media "Commies... subversives from within"... and that was during the 1990 Super Bowl season and at a completely different time for the media.
But Parcells enjoyed the sparring. He was brilliant at it...
I heard the interview and think that twostepgiants had it exactly right. I think Francesa asked the questions that needed to be asked. And, are almost never asked by the reporters if only because of the way access is given to the coach. I would bet that most of the criticism is by people who don’t listen to him or maybe never listened to him, I don’t agree with much of what he’s says but his take on the Giants has been spot on from the beginning
and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli
Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs
Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).
The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?
If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.
Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.
Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games.
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The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well.
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detailed one-on-one interview
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I think you are being conned.
Their opinion of Eli and what they say publicly may be two different things. Just like every other professional sports team. Look at their actions not their words. They drafted a QB at 6.
The only people conned here are those that listened to their hearts not their eyes. The Giants were trying to be respectful to a Giant Icon and give him one more shot. The results weren't there and the business of the NFL is winning games.
Nothing about that interview was detailed. It was a disrespectful rant of gibberish and nothing was learned or gained - which is supposed to be the point of an interview.
The Giants showed class to their HC by not subjecting him to this ass clown any further.
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With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli
Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs
Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).
The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?
If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.
Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.
I think it's largely irrelevant because Francesa is a joke and he's basically created an echo chamber with nothing but listeners who are not only as clueless as him, but more importantly, clueless enough to not realize how clueless he is.
There's not a single Giant alive that could get me to listen to Francesa.
You should really not be dropping the “R” word like that. You might have a perfect family but tons of family in this world who have people who suffer with family members that have Down Syndrome, Autism and other issues and the Retarded word is a discriminating word against those people.
You’re better then that and don’t come back with a snarky response. Just accept it was the wrong word to use.
the Giants should put Shurmur on Joe and Evan. Yes, Joe and Evan are Jets fans. But they're always fair with the Giants and don't shit on them just to shit on them like Mike does these days. And with Joe and Evan interviewing Giants coaches/players, at least we will actually get to hear our players and coaches speak and answer the questions. Unlike Mike who just speaks over his guests all the time.
and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.
and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.
If you were here for the epic asshat meltdown of 2Q19, you'd have read the painstaking detail (literally) of the timing for when Eli notified Mike that he wasn't doing his weekly appearance this year. It was before the draft.
Don't take Mike's word for it - his version is purely self-serving.
The beat reporters who cover the team don't seem to agree with you. Many of them tweeted out this morning that they were pretty appalled.
You've been killing the Giants beat reporters for a long time around here but now since they agree with your narrative you agree with them. Two step giants nailed it on this one.
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Not a big Francesa fan but I didn’t hear too much to get Â
so bent out of shape about. A comment or two that you would say that hurts but not out of bounds. Seems like Two Steps and eugibs have the right sentiment.
You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...they’re playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.
Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.
How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.
How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.
The guy is a glorified podcaster at this point, and one who failed in that endeavor. I stand by my echo chamber comment above and have no problem pointing out to any of his listeners how they're more than likely going to prove my point.
No one with a brain gives a shit about Francesa, and it's certainly not Francesa's God-given right to get guests, especially when his interviewing skills have eroded even faster than his ratings.
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so bent out of shape about. A comment or two that you would say that hurts but not out of bounds. Seems like Two Steps and eugibs have the right sentiment.
You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...they’re playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.
Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.
So the team improves...
I agree with this sentiment in general, but I don't think it applies with Francesa. He absolutely does have a vendetta because the Giants played him like a fool at draft time and exposed that he has no connections in the league anymore.
the guy after two games in a rebuilding year with a young defense with a ton of new pieces and antique at QB? I can see asking all these tough questions near the end of the year, but da pope has an ax to grind because he's a petulant child.
RE: Francesca's timing of that interview is suspect. You going to kill Â
the guy after two games in a rebuilding year with a young defense with a ton of new pieces and antique at QB? I can see asking all these tough questions near the end of the year, but da pope has an ax to grind because he's a petulant child.
rebuilding year?? We were told by the GM that they will win while rebuilding. This organization is the worst in the league and the folks that want to focus on Francesa are just taking the cheese. Shurmur is a big part of the problem. Also, dealing with the media is a part of his job and not just the beat reporters that need these guys to put food on their table and can't challenge them.
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Waaaaaaaaah DG lied to us, you sound just like fat Mike.
You're a fool. The team is a train-wreck and you completely miss the point and are still focused on Mike. Also, you said it was a rebuilding year and they are only two games in...wrong... the GM said they could win with this team. He and his terrible coach should face the consequences of failing miserably.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
You're winless, you just benched the QB, suck it up.
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Thats not the type of question you pop on a weekly call in segment.
Bullshit.
It's about time someone brings up his ineptitude to the Shurminator. Is Shurm that thin skinned that he's pussing out on his weekly spots with Fat Mike? Apparently so.
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Other than the comments about Ballantine (sp?), has Francesa said anything untrue regarding the Giants? The Organization is 8-26, including 5-13 under Shurmur. They have made several head scratching moves that have yet to yield fruitful results nor appear to even be heading in the correct direction. So again, the organization looks like its running from a dissenter.
francesa is a blowhard who js mad because he is not getting fed info anymore.
There were no personal insults and no "screaming" match
Shurmur concluded the interview by saying it was a "good talk"
Shurmur did at one point say to "let me finish" and Francesa responded by letting him finish
Mike Francesa never called Pat Shurmur a "loser". He cited his HC record and asked why should Giants fans should trust him when he says they will turn it around
This interview was an embarrassment and humiliation but it was for Shurmur and not Francesa
Shurmurs approach to the entire interview was the that all is well and the team is progressing. His approach was essentially the Giants played a "close" and "competitive" game against a very good team and that they barely lost and he was talking about rveryone as if they played well. It was a head in the sand interview and he was challenged by the interviewer, as he should have been.
He is 0-2 and 5-13 here. They have lost 63-31 in 2 games. They have been down 42-14 at the half. The Bills were a 6 win team on the road with a 2nd yr starter. The Bills are 2-0 now yes but beat 3 and 5 win teams from last year.
I cant imagine what its like to interview a guy who is pretending that things are going just fine and progress is right around the corner.
There were no personal insults and no "screaming" match
Shurmur concluded the interview by saying it was a "good talk"
Shurmur did at one point say to "let me finish" and Francesa responded by letting him finish
Mike Francesa never called Pat Shurmur a "loser". He cited his HC record and asked why should Giants fans should trust him when he says they will turn it around
This interview was an embarrassment and humiliation but it was for Shurmur and not Francesa
Shurmurs approach to the entire interview was the that all is well and the team is progressing. His approach was essentially the Giants played a "close" and "competitive" game against a very good team and that they barely lost and he was talking about rveryone as if they played well. It was a head in the sand interview and he was challenged by the interviewer, as he should have been.
He is 0-2 and 5-13 here. They have lost 63-31 in 2 games. They have been down 42-14 at the half. The Bills were a 6 win team on the road with a 2nd yr starter. The Bills are 2-0 now yes but beat 3 and 5 win teams from last year.
I cant imagine what its like to interview a guy who is pretending that things are going just fine and progress is right around the corner.
This was exactly my take. But I guess this all goes back to the narrative on BBI from the summer where the media was being "disrespectful" to the Giants. I would say if the Giants fortunes turnaround, the media's perspective will follow in kind.
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you guys will have to explain to me how an organization has a "bunker mentality" that holds press conferences five of the seven days in a week with the largest and most aggressive reporter contingent in the country.
Now we can debate and argue about the rise or decline of said reporters, but no other team has the NYC media market asking them daily questions, and many of them simply looking for dirt.
Are there opportunities for meaningful follow-up at a press conference or can Shurmur basically get by with "I saw a lot of improvement in the second half" and "We're just focusing on Tampa right now." Those press conferences are mostly for injury updates for gambling and fantasy football and so newspaper reporters can get a quote for an article. A one on one interview with follow-up is a totally different beast.
The organization is unquestionably deep in a bunker right now and wants to blame everyone but itself. We keep hearing how terrible and unfair the media is, yet all we see every Sunday is garbage football. For me, that's the bottom line. We're not proving anybody wrong here, we're just crying more.
Again you realize there is more than 1 instance between giants and francesa right?
Ok, so what things has Francesa said about the Gettleman/Shurmur Giants that are unfair or untrue?
I would just like to say that I hate having to defend Francesa. I haven't regularly listened to his show in at least 15 years. I don't like him at all. But this Giants vs. "the media" stuff drives me up a wall. This particular story especially aggravates me because it shows that the organization is just as bothered by "the media" as some fans are - which shows me that they are defensive and in denial. The problem the Giants have is not that Mike Francesa won't let Pat Shurmur talk, the problem the Giants have is that they are a bad football team. If they were a confident organization that was confident in their direction, Pat Shurmur could go on the show and be able to make his case and let the fans decide for themselves where things stand (he's supposed to be answering these questions for us, his customers, not Mike Francesa). Instead, he has nothing to say. Nothing. "I thought the defense looked a little better in the second half." "We're just trying to win a game in Tampa." "Yeah, we need to get better at that." That is why he cancelled his weekly appearance.
Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs
But Parcells enjoyed the sparring. He was brilliant at it...
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
Opinions are not facts. What you wrote makes you sound retarded.
I grew up listening to him with my family on our radio. I hope you dont use the term retarded again.
I grew up listening to him with my family on our radio. I hope you dont use the term retarded again.
Ah, there's the Simo footprint - the "with my family" nostalgia. Should have guessed.
I grew up listening to him with my family on our radio. I hope you dont use the term retarded again.
You sound sensitive too. I thought you were for rough and tumble.
GD - make some sense
Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs
Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).
The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?
If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.
Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.
GD - make some sense
I made plenty of sense. Everyone here, including you, knows exactly what I meant.
This'll be one of your shorter stints here.
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The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well.
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detailed one-on-one interview
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I think you are being conned.
Their opinion of Eli and what they say publicly may be two different things. Just like every other professional sports team. Look at their actions not their words. They drafted a QB at 6.
The only people conned here are those that listened to their hearts not their eyes. The Giants were trying to be respectful to a Giant Icon and give him one more shot. The results weren't there and the business of the NFL is winning games.
Nothing about that interview was detailed. It was a disrespectful rant of gibberish and nothing was learned or gained - which is supposed to be the point of an interview.
The Giants showed class to their HC by not subjecting him to this ass clown any further.
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With its GM ranting around the "false narrative" around Eli
Yet this same organization benched Eli under 2 different HCs
Right, it is impossible to believe that the Giants' opinion of Eli Manning changed in the last two games. So, the Giants were the ones misdirecting and pushing a "false narrative" this offseason (i.e., that the organization still had confidence in Eli and he was going to be the qb this year).
The point continues to be, whether it is Francesa or any other BBI whipping boy in the media - what have any of these people said about the Gettlemen-Shurmur regime that has been wrong? For two years, some people have been saying the organization is clueless and are headed nowhere. The organization, conversely, has insisted that is not the case and all is well. As of today, the results on the field support which story? Isn't the point of journalism to get at the truth of the matter?
If you are all riled up about Mike Francesa, and you would rather not hear from your head football coach every week in a detailed one-on-one interview then have him subjected to an interview with someone who you think will be mean to him, then I think you are being conned. The Giants have successfully misdirected your attention away from the real problem, which is them.
Here's my question. Is Shurmur going to do a weekly one-on-one interview with another experienced non-Giants employed journalist instead of Mike Francesa now that he has dropped that appearance? I think he should. If he doesn't, which I suspect he won't, I think we know what this is all really about.
I think it's largely irrelevant because Francesa is a joke and he's basically created an echo chamber with nothing but listeners who are not only as clueless as him, but more importantly, clueless enough to not realize how clueless he is.
There's not a single Giant alive that could get me to listen to Francesa.
You’re better then that and don’t come back with a snarky response. Just accept it was the wrong word to use.
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.
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and by the way, Eli canceling his spot had nothing to do with answering questions. It had everything to do with Mike trashing the organization that Eli has loved since day 1.
No it was because Eli saw this move to Jones coming a mile away and didn't want continue the interviews as a backup, as he wouldn't have much to offer except for maybe the first week after his benching.
He didn't think it would be good for anyone involved, him, Mike, the Giants, or Jones.
I'm pretty sure you're both wrong if I remember the timeline correctly. IIRC, Eli canceled his weekly spot with Francesa before the draft even happened. Francesa has made it seem like Eli canceled because the Giants drafted Jones (thereby giving him more fuel for his rants
against the Giants), but the timing doesn't actually support that.
No he cancelled after the draft. Mike has even given the reason why and said he totally understood Eli's not wanting to do it. He didn't use it as fuel for anything. Simply told the listeners what happened and why.
If you were here for the epic asshat meltdown of 2Q19, you'd have read the painstaking detail (literally) of the timing for when Eli notified Mike that he wasn't doing his weekly appearance this year. It was before the draft.
Don't take Mike's word for it - his version is purely self-serving.
You've been killing the Giants beat reporters for a long time around here but now since they agree with your narrative you agree with them. Two step giants nailed it on this one.
He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...they’re playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.
Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.
So the team improves...
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.
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How is this a good look for the Giants organization? Their loser coach can't handle a tough interview from a HOF broadcaster. The owners, GM and any other representatives are no where to be found. 8-26 in the last 2+ seasons and it appears it's only getting worse. The whole lot of them should be run out of town.
He's not a broadcaster. He's a radio host. And a past-his-prime, blowhard one at that. Let's not put him on a fucking pedestal to try to make it look like the Giants are in the wrong. If he worked anywhere but their flagship station, he'd just be Pat Leonard with airwaves.
Fine, take broadcaster out of the statement and you have every right to your opinion on Francesa. Shurmur cancelling still looks bad coming from a bad coach for a terrible organization. You cannot deny the facts,this organization is lost in every way.
The guy is a glorified podcaster at this point, and one who failed in that endeavor. I stand by my echo chamber comment above and have no problem pointing out to any of his listeners how they're more than likely going to prove my point.
No one with a brain gives a shit about Francesa, and it's certainly not Francesa's God-given right to get guests, especially when his interviewing skills have eroded even faster than his ratings.
You all got to calm down with this media against Giants mantra...they’re playing bad, making certain questionable decisions and the future is uncertain. They got a lot of good press this summer with how Jones looked so hopefully he gives them some promise and gets the press back on that bandwagon.
Anyway, we actually want this regime to take some heat so their decision making skills are more highlighted and improve.
So the team improves...
I agree with this sentiment in general, but I don't think it applies with Francesa. He absolutely does have a vendetta because the Giants played him like a fool at draft time and exposed that he has no connections in the league anymore.
rebuilding year?? We were told by the GM that they will win while rebuilding. This organization is the worst in the league and the folks that want to focus on Francesa are just taking the cheese. Shurmur is a big part of the problem. Also, dealing with the media is a part of his job and not just the beat reporters that need these guys to put food on their table and can't challenge them.
I don't know - I don't listen to him.
You're a fool. The team is a train-wreck and you completely miss the point and are still focused on Mike. Also, you said it was a rebuilding year and they are only two games in...wrong... the GM said they could win with this team. He and his terrible coach should face the consequences of failing miserably.