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Best case scenario: Daniel Jones plays well, Giants lose

Fyi13579 : 9/19/2019 10:51 am
1) Will prove that QB play ultimately had nothing to do with the Giants losing (Defense, WRs)

2) Higher draft pick in 2020 as the season is over
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I'll take a DJ playing well  
Rudy5757 : 9/19/2019 11:18 am : link
and a win for the best case scenario. I know the D is a mess but Tampa is a winnable game which is probably why they chose to put DJ in now. Tampa and Washington are his best chance then we have 2 tough games against legit playoff teams.

I dont think anyone in the organization wants anything but a win with DJ playing well.
Best case scenario?  
90.Cal : 9/19/2019 11:19 am : link
How is winning not the best case scenario?
I think that OP is saying that this roster  
allstarjim : 9/19/2019 11:20 am : link
Is not yet rebuilt. And even with the young players recently drafted, there's no way the Giants have a championship caliber roster.

If the Giants are somehow drafting 2 or maybe 3, and a franchise QB is coveted at that spot, the Giants could get a haul for that pick that could help put this team over the top for years. The return would be, based on previous trades, at least two #1's, a 2nd rounder, possibly a little more. This team still needs a real threat at WR, OT help, and more than anything, a legitimate, feared defensive presence at pass rusher.

DG has done pretty well with the resources he has had up to this point, but with the holes still on the roster, there is still a ways to go to catch the Eagles and Cowboys, even if Daniel Jones pans out.

I don't think losing this year is a bad thing for the long-term interests of the franchise, provided they can leverage a losing season into a scenario like that described above (obviously not a given).
RE: Honestly seems like the OP....  
joeinpa : 9/19/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14587664 Tesla said:
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is much more concerned with vindicating Eli than winning football games.


Yep, lots of that around here
RE: that's a shitty scenario  
Blue21 : 9/19/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14587656 giants#1 said:
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Best case scenario:
1. Jones plays well and sparks the offense to 30+ points
2. Things start clicking for the young D: Baker, Ximenes, Carter, Peppers, Ballentine, Haley, Lawrence, Hill, etc
3. Giants grab a wild card spot in 2019


Exactly
Nah  
Scooter185 : 9/19/2019 11:35 am : link
0-16 wake up call and house cleaning is what I'm rooting for. FO needs legit new blood, has for years.
Best case is winning  
UberAlias : 9/19/2019 11:43 am : link
Because Jones is that good. End of story
RE: I think that OP is saying that this roster  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14587740 allstarjim said:
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Is not yet rebuilt. And even with the young players recently drafted, there's no way the Giants have a championship caliber roster.

If the Giants are somehow drafting 2 or maybe 3, and a franchise QB is coveted at that spot, the Giants could get a haul for that pick that could help put this team over the top for years. The return would be, based on previous trades, at least two #1's, a 2nd rounder, possibly a little more. This team still needs a real threat at WR, OT help, and more than anything, a legitimate, feared defensive presence at pass rusher.

DG has done pretty well with the resources he has had up to this point, but with the holes still on the roster, there is still a ways to go to catch the Eagles and Cowboys, even if Daniel Jones pans out.

I don't think losing this year is a bad thing for the long-term interests of the franchise, provided they can leverage a losing season into a scenario like that described above (obviously not a given).


This captures the theory well.

The long term success of this team - any team - is tied to the competency of the QB. That's what we're trying to discern. And the sooner the better because if Jones is trending to "bust", we can pivot sooner.

Frankly, I've resigned myself to a poor year, largely driven by this swiss cheese D, so I'll take one side of the ball showing progress with a new QB being the reason...
Do you think the Browns cared about their draft pick for this year?  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2019 12:02 pm : link
They had a history of losing and once they inserted Baker and they started winning games, they could give two shits where they finished in the draft order.

The Giants should feel the same way here. Jones develops and they win games, gives some sort of optimism for next year. Especially when they will have cap money to spend in Free Agency.
I want to make the playoffs or come close  
Oscar : 9/19/2019 12:07 pm : link
I know thatís essentially impossible and 2-14 is far more likely, but I canít start focusing on the draft in Week 3. Will just hope it goes well for DJ.
RE: that's a shitty scenario  
V.I.G. : 9/19/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14587656 giants#1 said:
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Best case scenario:
1. Jones plays well and sparks the offense to 30+ points
2. Things start clicking for the young D: Baker, Ximenes, Carter, Peppers, Ballentine, Haley, Lawrence, Hill, etc
3. Giants grab a wild card spot in 2019
+2
A refereshing thought...  
gmenatlarge : 9/19/2019 12:09 pm : link
NOT considering draft position until the year is over, THAT would be nice...
The Young Core is in place  
David_Upstate : 9/19/2019 12:10 pm : link
You want them to progress and win games ... we have money for FA ... we don't need more low draft picks ... good players can be found all rounds if you scout well
I am done with hoping we draft high in each round  
Rjanyg : 9/19/2019 12:10 pm : link
What I want is a competitive team that fights and wins while getting their young players experience, hopefully changing the on field results which will improve the culture in the locker room.

I also would like for our team to select the best player available regardless of where we are drafting. The idea is to load up your team with good players at every position.

Drafting top 10 every year is getting very shitty.
RE: The Young Core is in place  
Vanzetti : 9/19/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14587850 David_Upstate said:
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You want them to progress and win games ... we have money for FA ... we don't need more low draft picks ... good players can be found all rounds if you scout well


Is it in place?

I like Lawrence. But can anyone say Baker, Beal, Love Ballantine and Peppers are the core of s successful
Secondary. Jury is still out

Plus the Ol is mostly old guys. So I donít see a young core st all
Two games into the season  
Marty866b : 9/19/2019 12:19 pm : link
We're concerned about our draft position? Oh brother!
We are only 2 games out of first place  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2019 12:20 pm : link
so relax.

Hell, if Jones get us back in the race then they can put Eli back in for the playoffs and run that 2007/2011 magic...
Yes its in place  
David_Upstate : 9/19/2019 12:22 pm : link
either they sink or swim we have had 4 first round picks in two years plus low picks every round for two years ... plus extra picks from trades

Either they got it right or we reboot in 2 - 3 years ... the team is young they need time to develop
The Giants lose is never the best case scenario  
since1925 : 9/19/2019 12:22 pm : link
Screw the draft. Win games.
Rooting for Giants losses in Week 3:  
Mr. Bungle : 9/19/2019 12:26 pm : link
*September 2019
WTF is going on with BBI ???  
ZogZerg : 9/19/2019 12:27 pm : link
One dumber thread than the next.
It almost seem impossible, but yet it is.

Do you see a fin on our backs?  
VinegarPeppers : 9/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
NO. We don't fold on porpoise.

RE: Do you think the Browns cared about their draft pick for this year?  
allstarjim : 9/19/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14587835 figgy2989 said:
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They had a history of losing and once they inserted Baker and they started winning games, they could give two shits where they finished in the draft order.

The Giants should feel the same way here. Jones develops and they win games, gives some sort of optimism for next year. Especially when they will have cap money to spend in Free Agency.


I think you should pick a much better example than the Browns. Sure, they drafted Baker and won (7) games last year, but before that they also drafted Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, and with their trade downs was able to pick up a bunch of important pieces...five 1st round picks in in 2017 and 2018, and an extra 2nd in 2018, and so on, and allowed them to trade a first round pick for an elite talent in OBJ because they had assembled enough talent elsewhere and had their franchise QB in place.

The key is to get the most out of those picks. But if you look at what the Giants have objectively, they still need a lot of help. They don't have an elite pass rusher, Solder's play is league average and he's getting long in the tooth, and LT is a CRITICAL position. Remmers will likely need a successor soon, and the have a huge hole at WR.

This team isn't going to the playoffs this year, even if Jones is a star. The defense won't hold up, there are too many young players going through growing pains, and not enough playmakers on both sides of the ball.

I'd rather trade wins this year for sustained winner that is a perennial playoff contender by 2021.
At this point the team needs to get better and win  
Dave in PA : 9/19/2019 12:39 pm : link
Iíd more concerned with draft pick placement if the QB of the future wasnít already in place. This also assumes Jones can actually fulfill the duties of the position
Best case scenario is always a win,  
Section331 : 9/19/2019 12:39 pm : link
especially this early in the season. If Jones plays well, and we get a pulse from the defense, then there are signs we can turn this thing around.
Anyways  
allstarjim : 9/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
so the answer would be "Hell yes," the Browns cared about their pick this year because they parlayed it into OBJ.
Good  
mittenedman : 9/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
Lord
Best case: offense scores a lot on long drives and keeps the defense  
Ivan15 : 9/19/2019 12:46 pm : link
Off the field.
The best case  
mittenedman : 9/19/2019 12:47 pm : link
is going 14-2, Jones looking like an All Pro QB. The NFL is wide open.
RE: We are only 2 games out of first place  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14587892 Jimmy Googs said:
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so relax.

Hell, if Jones get us back in the race then they can put Eli back in for the playoffs and run that 2007/2011 magic...


Well done. I needed a good laugh today...
why is it important  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/19/2019 12:50 pm : link
to "prove" that QB play wasn't the problem?

Eli is going to be ok, I promise.
RE: I get the draft position argument..  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/19/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14587657 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But I'm sick of losing. I hope Jones plays well the rest of the season & we finish something like 7-9, 8-8.


Ultimately losing breeds more losing.

This club needs to win a few games draft position be damned.
RE: The best case  
Fyi13579 : 9/19/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14587972 mittenedman said:
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is going 14-2, Jones looking like an All Pro QB. The NFL is wide open.


The NFL is a 5-team race.

1) Patriots
2) Cowboys
3) Chiefs
4) Rams
5) Packers

Nothing is wide open about the NFL

1 of the above 5 teams will win the SB.
Wouldn't 14-2  
CT Charlie : 9/19/2019 1:11 pm : link
be a better scenario?
Crazy what things have come to.  
ltbeatsall56 : 9/19/2019 2:08 pm : link
Best case scenario in September is a high draft pick? The last 7 years have really done a number on Giants fans.
Y'know, it's only been two games.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/19/2019 2:10 pm : link
The season isn't completely lost. Seems kind of early to think about tanking for the draft.
Best case scenario  
Justlurking : 9/19/2019 2:11 pm : link
Is that everything was Eliís fault, defense gels and they win the super bowl. But sure, keep on wishing for losses.
We win big  
xman : 9/19/2019 2:15 pm : link

very big and everyone is stunned. How can this be?
Best Case  
Rong5611 : 9/19/2019 2:15 pm : link
Win the game. The team needs to start winning, period.

Wins are good.
RE: Best case scenario is that Daniel Jones plays great....  
Del Shofner : 9/19/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14587734 Britt in VA said:
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and we WIN, lighting a fire under the rest of the team and turning things around.


This.
Best case scenario would be  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2019 2:32 pm : link
for this dillweed to go away and stop making inane, insipid, stupid threads about every stray thought that pops into his head.
Best case scenerio  
Ross : 9/19/2019 2:34 pm : link
Is he is our starter for 20 years and never loses a game...ever.
Ok the seasons over if you say so  
Batenhorst : 9/19/2019 3:02 pm : link
Lets have a fire sale and compete with Miami for low man

NOT!!!!!!

That was a morbid statement to make about the Giants 2 games in

Actually this team has some real bright spots and a few DBs are clogging the vents. Lets hope they get their acts together, and/or we bring in some fresh talent at DB in trade or off the scrap heap
Week 3 and we are rooting to lose?  
TommytheElephant : 9/19/2019 3:03 pm : link
How the fuck can any Giants fan do this?
RE: Week 3 and we are rooting to lose?  
Scooter185 : 9/19/2019 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14588274 TommytheElephant said:
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How the fuck can any Giants fan do this?


I've rooted for losses with the Bruins (yeah I'm weird, only Boston team that I like) and Yankees when I thought it would be better for the big picture.
Losing in Week 3 has never been better for anyone's big  
jcn56 : 9/19/2019 6:15 pm : link
picture.

Try again in Week 13.
Best case scenario - DJ plays well, Giants kick ass.  
GiantsUA : 9/19/2019 8:19 pm : link
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we're at  
AndyMilligan : 9/19/2019 9:18 pm : link
the point where it is time to win games
RE: Losing in Week 3 has never been better for anyone's big  
Scooter185 : 9/19/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14588595 jcn56 said:
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picture.

Try again in Week 13.


It is when you have 0 faith in the GM or HC
Why do you value proof that QB was not the reason the Giants lost?  
BestFeature : 9/19/2019 11:41 pm : link
Is it an irrational attachment to Eli where he can never do any wrong?
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