Refusing to trade him, turning down a trade offer, not ripping up his contract, insulting Jalens mother, keying his vehicle what?
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
Refusing to trade him, turning down a trade offer, not ripping up his contract, insulting Jalens mother, keying his vehicle what?
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
As much as Reese is scapegoated around here, Coughlin was a part of that problem too. He helped Reese pick the groceries. Hes 1/3 of the reason we are in the situation we are currently in.
If he still had whatever it is, he would still be coaching somewhere.
Im allowed to have that opinion and also love Tom for what he did here. Those super bowl wins can never be denied or taken away.
Tom will always have a place in my heart just like Eli does.
It doesnt mean change wasnt necessary or might be rough in the transition. The buck was passed too many times so many changes should have happened all at once, but it didnt and here we are.
Conversations where we knock one giant legend to prop up another. It's been done with Simms and Manning, Parcells and Coughlin.
It would be nice at some point in the conversation (more like ranting) if both sides could agree that we as fans have been lucky to have two awesome coaches and two awesome Qb's that immensely helped the giants to tally four Lombardi's
The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history
The 1990 49ers had won 32 of 36 games going into the NFC championship game, and the game was in Candlestick, so what was that you were saying about beating one of the great teams in NFL history?
Parcells is also one of the very few coaches who have taken multiple franchises to a Super Bowl (where is TC's other Super Bowl appearance? Oh, right, he couldn't get past...um....Jeff Fisher) and got the Jets to the AFC championship game two years after they went 1-15.
Refusing to trade him, turning down a trade offer, not ripping up his contract, insulting Jalens mother, keying his vehicle what?
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
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A post for the ages... And how many Super Bowls did Parcells win without Belichick?
I will never understand the contingent here that seems to think somehow Coughlin and Eli screwed the franchise.
How many Super Bowls has Belichick won without Brady?
Conversations where we knock one giant legend to prop up another. It's been done with Simms and Manning, Parcells and Coughlin.
It would be nice at some point in the conversation (more like ranting) if both sides could agree that we as fans have been lucky to have two awesome coaches and two awesome Qb's that immensely helped the giants to tally four Lombardi's
Never ceases to amaze me how some people feel continually compelled to throw shade at coaches who helped this team win championships, just because they disagree with some Internet yahoos over how good they were.
Why not reserve your bile for more richly deserving targets? We haven't lacked for those lately.
Pull out the TC punching bag. We should come up with a list of people pretending to be fans of the team that do nothing but troll us and NEVER respond to a single thing they say.
Anyone who is still pushing the Belichick would have been the Giants coach if Parcells left earlier is liar at this point.
That's a lie. It's been proven a 1000 times it's lie.
George Young hated both Parcells and Belichick. He chose Ray Handley and Jim Fassel over Belichick and Parcells.
I loved George Young but he earned his non spot in the HOF from 1991-1997. Starting with choosing Handley over Belichick and ending with choosing Fassel over Parcells.
RE: How many Super Bowls has Belichick won without Brady?
I have nothing but respect & admiration for the man. And I don't give a f*ck what's going on in Jacksonville. That's irrelevant to his time here. I'll choose to remember '04-'15 as a good era of Giants football, '13 & '14 aside.
Because Coughlin is a fraud and full of crap and has the charisma of a dried grape. Parcells even with his long list of character defects is about as genuine as they come and a larger than life figure.
Plus Parcells left a huge impact on the game on and off the field. His jargon has become the jargon of the NFL. His coaching "tree" is still a big part of the 2019 NFL. Coughlin's coaching tree gets laughed at by Charlie Brown's christmas tree.
The 07 & 11 playoff runs were epic and will live forever as the most improbable and unlikely ever. They may even get a coach with a .530 lifetime winning percentage into the NFL HOF. Take a look at the average winning percentage of NFL coaches in the HOF.
But there is nothing else about Coughlin that says HOF including his first run in Jacksonville when he took advantage of the NFL expansion rules and built a great team before he destroyed it but yet still managed to lose to Jeff Fisher 3 times in the same year with the best team in the league.
Anyone who didn't see this coming in Jacksonville either wasn't paying attention or drinks blue kool-aid. Tom Coughlin shouldn't be anywhere near the 2019 NFL.
Off base imo. Maybe you should see what both BP and BB have said about TC. I love BP and he does have great tree but BB was actually with the Giants before Parcells came.
RE: RE: How many Super Bowls has Belichick won without Brady?
He was a 27 year old special teams coach. So? What exactly is the import of that information supposed to be?
Perkins actually hired Parcells as LB coach before he hired Belichick for STs, but Parcells backed out and was out of football in 1979 before being Ron Erhardt's LB coach in New England in 1980.
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Great coach. I do think two of them were in strike seasons. The Giants certainly did not handle the strike year very well. [/quote]
You're right.
I'm totally convinced to this day that the strike in '86 really cost us a great chance to repeat. That was an absolute killer moment for Jints Central...
I don't know that they would have repeated in 1987
They got off to a terrible start at 0-2 with a serious Super Bowl hangover. Players admitted it later on that they were kind of coasting at the beginning of the year. The strike put them in an insurmountable 0-5 hole, though. If not for that, maybe they would have gotten their acts together.
Refusing to trade him, turning down a trade offer, not ripping up his contract, insulting Jalens mother, keying his vehicle what?
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
Simmer down Mrs. Coughlin. Youre gonna give yourself a coronary
but are people really blasting Coughlin? Dude is just as much of a Giants legend as Eli to me. Delivered the greatest era of Giants football in my lifetime.
but are people really blasting Coughlin? Dude is just as much of a Giants legend as Eli to me. Delivered the greatest era of Giants football in my lifetime.
but are people really blasting Coughlin? Dude is just as much of a Giants legend as Eli to me. Delivered the greatest era of Giants football in my lifetime.
but are people really blasting Coughlin? Dude is just as much of a Giants legend as Eli to me. Delivered the greatest era of Giants football in my lifetime.
Agreed! Both are Giants legends.
And both are flawed, like regular human beings.
Yup. Parcells was flawed, LT was flawed. Everyone is flawed.
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
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TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
As much as Reese is scapegoated around here, Coughlin was a part of that problem too. He helped Reese pick the groceries. Hes 1/3 of the reason we are in the situation we are currently in.
If he still had whatever it is, he would still be coaching somewhere.
Im allowed to have that opinion and also love Tom for what he did here. Those super bowl wins can never be denied or taken away.
Tom will always have a place in my heart just like Eli does.
It doesnt mean change wasnt necessary or might be rough in the transition. The buck was passed too many times so many changes should have happened all at once, but it didnt and here we are.
It would be nice at some point in the conversation (more like ranting) if both sides could agree that we as fans have been lucky to have two awesome coaches and two awesome Qb's that immensely helped the giants to tally four Lombardi's
The 1990 49ers had won 32 of 36 games going into the NFC championship game, and the game was in Candlestick, so what was that you were saying about beating one of the great teams in NFL history?
Parcells is also one of the very few coaches who have taken multiple franchises to a Super Bowl (where is TC's other Super Bowl appearance? Oh, right, he couldn't get past...um....Jeff Fisher) and got the Jets to the AFC championship game two years after they went 1-15.
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Refusing to trade him, turning down a trade offer, not ripping up his contract, insulting Jalens mother, keying his vehicle what?
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
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A post for the ages... And how many Super Bowls did Parcells win without Belichick?
I will never understand the contingent here that seems to think somehow Coughlin and Eli screwed the franchise.
It would be nice at some point in the conversation (more like ranting) if both sides could agree that we as fans have been lucky to have two awesome coaches and two awesome Qb's that immensely helped the giants to tally four Lombardi's
Never ceases to amaze me how some people feel continually compelled to throw shade at coaches who helped this team win championships, just because they disagree with some Internet yahoos over how good they were.
Why not reserve your bile for more richly deserving targets? We haven't lacked for those lately.
That's a lie. It's been proven a 1000 times it's lie.
George Young hated both Parcells and Belichick. He chose Ray Handley and Jim Fassel over Belichick and Parcells.
I loved George Young but he earned his non spot in the HOF from 1991-1997. Starting with choosing Handley over Belichick and ending with choosing Fassel over Parcells.
Gilbride does not exactly have the stature of Belichick. But I guess the comparison makes sense to you.
Damn the Coughlin h8in Reeves cultists!
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Screw all of this, give me Dan Reeves and Tommy Maddox!
Damn the Coughlin h8in Reeves cultists!
I have my certificate of brotherhood in my wallet
So true. It's such a silly game.
How Joe Gibbs won three SBs with three different QBs is one of the great unheralded feats in the SB era...
I have nothing but respect & admiration for the man. And I don't give a f*ck what's going on in Jacksonville. That's irrelevant to his time here. I'll choose to remember '04-'15 as a good era of Giants football, '13 & '14 aside.
Absolutely!
Plus Parcells left a huge impact on the game on and off the field. His jargon has become the jargon of the NFL. His coaching "tree" is still a big part of the 2019 NFL. Coughlin's coaching tree gets laughed at by Charlie Brown's christmas tree.
The 07 & 11 playoff runs were epic and will live forever as the most improbable and unlikely ever. They may even get a coach with a .530 lifetime winning percentage into the NFL HOF. Take a look at the average winning percentage of NFL coaches in the HOF.
But there is nothing else about Coughlin that says HOF including his first run in Jacksonville when he took advantage of the NFL expansion rules and built a great team before he destroyed it but yet still managed to lose to Jeff Fisher 3 times in the same year with the best team in the league.
Anyone who didn't see this coming in Jacksonville either wasn't paying attention or drinks blue kool-aid. Tom Coughlin shouldn't be anywhere near the 2019 NFL.
Off base imo. Maybe you should see what both BP and BB have said about TC. I love BP and he does have great tree but BB was actually with the Giants before Parcells came.
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Or Coughlin without Gilbride? Since you want to play that stupid fucking game....
So true. It's such a silly game.
How Joe Gibbs won three SBs with three different QBs is one of the great unheralded feats in the SB era...
Great coach. I do think two of them were in strike seasons. The Giants certainly did not handle the strike year very well.
Perkins actually hired Parcells as LB coach before he hired Belichick for STs, but Parcells backed out and was out of football in 1979 before being Ron Erhardt's LB coach in New England in 1980.
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Or Coughlin without Gilbride? Since you want to play that stupid fucking game....
So true. It's such a silly game.
How Joe Gibbs won three SBs with three different QBs is one of the great unheralded feats in the SB era...
Joe Gibbs has a feat almost as crazy.
He made the playoffs twice with rosters put together by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.
Great coach. I do think two of them were in strike seasons. The Giants certainly did not handle the strike year very well. [/quote]
You're right.
I'm totally convinced to this day that the strike in '86 really cost us a great chance to repeat. That was an absolute killer moment for Jints Central...
TC should have done what Parcells did- walk away after the second SB so he could get the same knob-slobbering that some of you give to Parcells- who benched Simms, dallied with Brunner, got buried by the Bears, lost to the Jets to get knocked out of a playoff spot, lost a playoff game with an idiot decision when leading the game, and then left the Giants high and dry with a sudden decision after BB was hired by the Browns and leaving someone else to manage the post-SB decline. And he had a HOF GM throughout his tenure and never had to contend with losing players through free agency. He only benefitted from free agents signed after the USFL folded.
The 07 and 11 Giants were teams of legend. Judge thou by the strength of thy opponents. The 07 team beat one of the great teams in NFL history coached by the GOAT in the fucking championship game; the 11 team did it again. You idiots seem to think that was nothing and that it is oh so easy to find a replacement. Hows that working out?
Simmer down Mrs. Coughlin. Youre gonna give yourself a coronary
Agreed! Both are Giants legends.
And both are flawed, like regular human beings.
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but are people really blasting Coughlin? Dude is just as much of a Giants legend as Eli to me. Delivered the greatest era of Giants football in my lifetime.
Agreed! Both are Giants legends.
And both are flawed, like regular human beings.
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but are people really blasting Coughlin? Dude is just as much of a Giants legend as Eli to me. Delivered the greatest era of Giants football in my lifetime.
Agreed! Both are Giants legends.
And both are flawed, like regular human beings.
Yup. Parcells was flawed, LT was flawed. Everyone is flawed.