But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.
But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.
They did hire Fassel specifically with the original mandate of fixing Brown.
Thought some may enjoy this portion of the interview. Im sure some on here are aware of this story, but I wasnt. Dave Brown Draft Story - ( New Window )
Thought some may enjoy this portion of the interview. Im sure some on here are aware of this story, but I wasnt. Dave Brown Draft Story - ( New Window )
But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.
Reeves hated Brown? He once said that he was never more sure of a QB than he was with Brown, which Is why they let Phil go.
Maybe he hated him later?
RE: RE: Maybe Brown never would have been any good Â
But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.
Reeves hated Brown? He once said that he was never more sure of a QB than he was with Brown, which Is why they let Phil go.
Was not familiar with the details of when Brown was drafted. Also interesting to hear him talk about his experience with the Giants, specifically how he came from a very open, attacking system in college where he had a lot of autonomy to a run-heavy offense with the Giants where he was not allowed to make any adjustments and faced a lot of 3rd and long situations.
My memory as a kid of watching those Giants teams was exactly that - run on first down, run on second down, usually get fucking nothing and then throw on third and punt.
Brown is very definitely not saying he would have been great in another system but interesting nonetheless.
As I recall. Remember, he pushed GY to bring in his boy Tommy Maddox that year, and only Maddox's disastrous outing in Philly kept him from taking the job
RE: Dave Brown is in the financial industry now... Â
and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.
A buddy of mine worked with Brown for a stretch in his post football career...described him as a good due, who did harbor some lingering bitterness over how hated he is by some Giants fans.
Which I can understand. We as fans get passionate about our teams and their players, good and bad...I try to keep some perspective.
As the saying goes, do you realize how good a guy has to be just to suck in the NFL?
I try to remind myself of that in baseball. The best player I ever played against as a kid dominated in high school and college. Was drafted by the Cubs, and never made it past AA.
RE: RE: Dave Brown is in the financial industry now... Â
and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.
A buddy of mine worked with Brown for a stretch in his post football career...described him as a good due, who did harbor some lingering bitterness over how hated he is by some Giants fans.
Which I can understand. We as fans get passionate about our teams and their players, good and bad...I try to keep some perspective.
As the saying goes, do you realize how good a guy has to be just to suck in the NFL?
Brown also claimed that Fassel lied to him about staying with the team as Kannell's backup in '98, shook his hand on it at Sehorns wedding if he agreed to a lower salary. The next day he gots cut. Either JF was bullshitting him or he and Accorsi weren't on the same page.
Say what you will about his talent as a starter but Brown showed up and played ball for us every Sunday on some horrid Giant teams with zero to work with aside from Hampton. He's always had my respect
I thought played OK; better than he is ever given credit for. Reeves and that ocfense ruined him and ruined what was a promising career for Hampton. Brown was one of the toughest SOBs out there. He got the crap beat out of him every week playing behind what I consider the worst OL I've seen.
Brown was tough I will give him that but I thought he was a lousy QB Â
As he explained in the interview, Reeve's crappy conservative offense hamstrung him...run run, pass on 3rd and long. Rinse lather repeat.
Although Reeve's did run the flea flicker at least a few times a year, something we rarely if ever saw under Coughlin or Macadouche or Shurmer so far
I try to remind myself of that in baseball. The best player I ever played against as a kid dominated in high school and college. Was drafted by the Cubs, and never made it past AA.
Yup. One summer for our travel baseball team when I was 16 we picked up a kid for the next tournament who just dominated every time he took the mound. Also remember him convincing me to try chewing tobacco for the first time with him after one of those games.
Kids name was Carl Pavano
RE: Interesting story behind Brown being drafted by Giants Â
Thought some may enjoy this portion of the interview. Im sure some on here are aware of this story, but I wasnt. Dave Brown Draft Story - ( New Window )
That was quite a story
I wonder if in his emails to Daniel Jones he told him not to take the Â
As he explained in the interview, Reeve's crappy conservative offense hamstrung him...run run, pass on 3rd and long. Rinse lather repeat.
Although Reeve's did run the flea flicker at least a few times a year, something we rarely if ever saw under Coughlin or Macadouche or Shurmer so far
He was a tough guy who didn't have huge talent, but maximized what he had to a 9 or 10 year long career. I was far more annoyed by Kerry Collins, who had enormous talent but a ten cent head.
He was a tough guy who didn't have huge talent, but maximized what he had to a 9 or 10 year long career. I was far more annoyed by Kerry Collins, who had enormous talent but a ten cent head.
If Collins had a more noteworthy career he'd be just popular enough to be regarded as one of the most disappointing QB prospects of all time relative to his potential and his skillset.
He was a tough guy who didn't have huge talent, but maximized what he had to a 9 or 10 year long career. I was far more annoyed by Kerry Collins, who had enormous talent but a ten cent head.
I've had a ton of respect for Brown's efforts with us but even with his shortcomings Kerry was still a far better overall QB than Dave ever was.
And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
I'm amazed any fan could have preferred Brown to Collins Â
But Collins didn't get what he could have out of his potential. He's the most physically talented quarterback the Giants have had in my life, and that includes Simms. Just unreal throwing ability. But far from a great player.
But Collins didn't get what he could have out of his potential. He's the most physically talented quarterback the Giants have had in my life, and that includes Simms. Just unreal throwing ability. But far from a great player.
Collins biggest weakness was falling apart like a wet cardboard box under pass rush pressure. I've always thought Bill Romanowksy breaking his jaw early in his career made him gunshy from taking hits after that
And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Nope. Tommy Maddox was far worse than Brown.
He was never a starter on the Giants. He came in after Brown had started a game.
RE: I'm amazed any fan could have preferred Brown to Collins Â
And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Dave Brown exemplified the term a deer in headlights.
And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Dave Brown exemplified the term a deer in headlights.
And happy feet.
And seeing ghosts.
And bird-dogging.
Etc.
Nice guy but just a horrible fit here.
To be fair to him, given the quality of the coaching & game plans & Olines & WRs on the mid 90's Giant teams, almost no QB could've succeeded
give us the watch and jewelz report pls
They did hire Fassel specifically with the original mandate of fixing Brown.
Dave Brown Draft Story - ( New Window )
give us the watch and jewelz report pls
he was NOT wearing a Superbowl ring...
That’s an incredible story.
Reeves hated Brown? He once said that he was never more sure of a QB than he was with Brown, which Is why they let Phil go.
Maybe he hated him later?
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But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.
Reeves hated Brown? He once said that he was never more sure of a QB than he was with Brown, which Is why they let Phil go.
Maybe he hated him later?
Yeah. After he saw Brown play ;>)
My memory as a kid of watching those Giants teams was exactly that - run on first down, run on second down, usually get fucking nothing and then throw on third and punt.
Brown is very definitely not saying he would have been great in another system but interesting nonetheless.
A buddy of mine worked with Brown for a stretch in his post football career...described him as a good due, who did harbor some lingering bitterness over how hated he is by some Giants fans.
Which I can understand. We as fans get passionate about our teams and their players, good and bad...I try to keep some perspective.
As the saying goes, do you realize how good a guy has to be just to suck in the NFL?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKr9NN8mLM - ( New Window )
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and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.
A buddy of mine worked with Brown for a stretch in his post football career...described him as a good due, who did harbor some lingering bitterness over how hated he is by some Giants fans.
Which I can understand. We as fans get passionate about our teams and their players, good and bad...I try to keep some perspective.
As the saying goes, do you realize how good a guy has to be just to suck in the NFL?
Brown also claimed that Fassel lied to him about staying with the team as Kannell's backup in '98, shook his hand on it at Sehorns wedding if he agreed to a lower salary. The next day he gots cut. Either JF was bullshitting him or he and Accorsi weren't on the same page.
Say what you will about his talent as a starter but Brown showed up and played ball for us every Sunday on some horrid Giant teams with zero to work with aside from Hampton. He's always had my respect
As he explained in the interview, Reeve's crappy conservative offense hamstrung him...run run, pass on 3rd and long. Rinse lather repeat.
Although Reeve's did run the flea flicker at least a few times a year, something we rarely if ever saw under Coughlin or Macadouche or Shurmer so far
Yup. One summer for our travel baseball team when I was 16 we picked up a kid for the next tournament who just dominated every time he took the mound. Also remember him convincing me to try chewing tobacco for the first time with him after one of those games.
Kids name was Carl Pavano
That was quite a story
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I wasn't too big of a fan of his as a player.
As he explained in the interview, Reeve's crappy conservative offense hamstrung him...run run, pass on 3rd and long. Rinse lather repeat.
Although Reeve's did run the flea flicker at least a few times a year, something we rarely if ever saw under Coughlin or Macadouche or Shurmer so far
OBJ threw two TDs last season.
+1
Great interview
It really was
That entire interview was fantastic
I've had a ton of respect for Brown's efforts with us but even with his shortcomings Kerry was still a far better overall QB than Dave ever was.
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Collins biggest weakness was falling apart like a wet cardboard box under pass rush pressure. I've always thought Bill Romanowksy breaking his jaw early in his career made him gunshy from taking hits after that
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Nope. Tommy Maddox was far worse than Brown.
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And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Nope. Tommy Maddox was far worse than Brown.
He was never a starter on the Giants. He came in after Brown had started a game.
Me either. Brown never cracked the 300 yard barrier.
That was fantastic. Always thought he was a good dude.
Here you go
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Hmmmm ....
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Dave Brown exemplified the term a deer in headlights.
And happy feet.
And seeing ghosts.
And bird-dogging.
Etc.
Nice guy but just a horrible fit here.
Very true but kind of ironic to this thread that it was also when BBI was at it's best
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And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.
Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
Dave Brown exemplified the term a deer in headlights.
And happy feet.
And seeing ghosts.
And bird-dogging.
Etc.
Nice guy but just a horrible fit here.
To be fair to him, given the quality of the coaching & game plans & Olines & WRs on the mid 90's Giant teams, almost no QB could've succeeded
Collins makes your list of dark age QBs? He was the first step OUT of that era lol
Remember 41-0 against the Vikings?