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Former Duke/NYG QB Dave Brown on Rich Eisen

cjac : 9/19/2019 4:18 pm
This was interesting, i like how he points out the Jones getting booed on draft night

"Some of its maybe a hangover from my career there"
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Pretty humble, honest assessment from him.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2019 4:42 pm : link
Dave Brown's struggles weren't related to effort or attitude, so I have no beef with him from a fan's standpoint.
Maybe Brown never would have been any good  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 4:45 pm : link
But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.
Dave Brown is in the financial industry now...  
EricJ : 9/19/2019 4:45 pm : link
and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.
Nice interview that for posting  
steve in ky : 9/19/2019 4:49 pm : link
Very classy of him to take "blame" for some of the negative reception towards Jones.
RE: Dave Brown is in the financial industry now...  
NoPeanutz : 9/19/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14588464 EricJ said:
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and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.

give us the watch and jewelz report pls
RE: Maybe Brown never would have been any good  
steve in ky : 9/19/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14588463 Greg from LI said:
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But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.


They did hire Fassel specifically with the original mandate of fixing Brown.
yes, and Brown was playing ok in 1997  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 4:59 pm : link
Got hurt, Kanell came in, didn't play any better but they starting winning so he kept the job.
Interesting story behind Brown being drafted by Giants  
John In CO : 9/19/2019 5:00 pm : link
Thought some may enjoy this portion of the interview. Im sure some on here are aware of this story, but I wasnt.
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That was great  
BSIMatt : 9/19/2019 5:00 pm : link
Very cool that he reached out to the Jones family.
RE: RE: Dave Brown is in the financial industry now...  
EricJ : 9/19/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14588472 NoPeanutz said:
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give us the watch and jewelz report pls


he was NOT wearing a Superbowl ring...
RE: Interesting story behind Brown being drafted by Giants  
BSIMatt : 9/19/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14588486 John In CO said:
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Thought some may enjoy this portion of the interview. Im sure some on here are aware of this story, but I wasnt. Dave Brown Draft Story - ( New Window )


That’s an incredible story.
RE: Maybe Brown never would have been any good  
Vanzetti : 9/19/2019 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14588463 Greg from LI said:
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But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.


Reeves hated Brown? He once said that he was never more sure of a QB than he was with Brown, which Is why they let Phil go.

Maybe he hated him later?
RE: RE: Maybe Brown never would have been any good  
Jim in Tampa : 9/19/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14588524 Vanzetti said:
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But the Giants never did him any favors. Had a coach who openly hated him, a running back whose best days were behind him, a crumbling OL, and horrid receivers.



Reeves hated Brown? He once said that he was never more sure of a QB than he was with Brown, which Is why they let Phil go.

Maybe he hated him later?

Yeah. After he saw Brown play ;>)
That was fascinating to listen to  
Oscar : 9/19/2019 6:09 pm : link
Was not familiar with the details of when Brown was drafted. Also interesting to hear him talk about his experience with the Giants, specifically how he came from a very open, attacking system in college where he had a lot of autonomy to a run-heavy offense with the Giants where he was not allowed to make any adjustments and faced a lot of 3rd and long situations.

My memory as a kid of watching those Giants teams was exactly that - run on first down, run on second down, usually get fucking nothing and then throw on third and punt.

Brown is very definitely not saying he would have been great in another system but interesting nonetheless.
He started slagging Brown to the press in 95  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 6:14 pm : link
As I recall. Remember, he pushed GY to bring in his boy Tommy Maddox that year, and only Maddox's disastrous outing in Philly kept him from taking the job
RE: Dave Brown is in the financial industry now...  
mfsd : 9/19/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14588464 EricJ said:
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and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.


A buddy of mine worked with Brown for a stretch in his post football career...described him as a good due, who did harbor some lingering bitterness over how hated he is by some Giants fans.

Which I can understand. We as fans get passionate about our teams and their players, good and bad...I try to keep some perspective.

As the saying goes, do you realize how good a guy has to be just to suck in the NFL?
I recommend  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2019 6:32 pm : link
watching the ENTIRE interview... 24 minutes long... great stuff here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKr9NN8mLM - ( New Window )
msfd  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2019 6:35 pm : link
I try to remind myself of that in baseball. The best player I ever played against as a kid dominated in high school and college. Was drafted by the Cubs, and never made it past AA.
RE: RE: Dave Brown is in the financial industry now...  
jnoble : 9/19/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14588597 mfsd said:
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and has a job where he travels often like me. I have seen him at Newark Airport three times now in the past year including last week.



A buddy of mine worked with Brown for a stretch in his post football career...described him as a good due, who did harbor some lingering bitterness over how hated he is by some Giants fans.

Which I can understand. We as fans get passionate about our teams and their players, good and bad...I try to keep some perspective.

As the saying goes, do you realize how good a guy has to be just to suck in the NFL?


Brown also claimed that Fassel lied to him about staying with the team as Kannell's backup in '98, shook his hand on it at Sehorns wedding if he agreed to a lower salary. The next day he gots cut. Either JF was bullshitting him or he and Accorsi weren't on the same page.
Say what you will about his talent as a starter but Brown showed up and played ball for us every Sunday on some horrid Giant teams with zero to work with aside from Hampton. He's always had my respect
I always thought Brown got a raw deal here  
Matt M. : 9/19/2019 6:51 pm : link
I thought played OK; better than he is ever given credit for. Reeves and that ocfense ruined him and ruined what was a promising career for Hampton. Brown was one of the toughest SOBs out there. He got the crap beat out of him every week playing behind what I consider the worst OL I've seen.
Brown was tough I will give him that but I thought he was a lousy QB  
steve in ky : 9/19/2019 6:59 pm : link
I wasn't too big of a fan of his as a player.
RE: Brown was tough I will give him that but I thought he was a lousy QB  
jnoble : 9/19/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14588636 steve in ky said:
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I wasn't too big of a fan of his as a player.


As he explained in the interview, Reeve's crappy conservative offense hamstrung him...run run, pass on 3rd and long. Rinse lather repeat.
Although Reeve's did run the flea flicker at least a few times a year, something we rarely if ever saw under Coughlin or Macadouche or Shurmer so far
RE: msfd  
mfsd : 9/19/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14588617 Greg from LI said:
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I try to remind myself of that in baseball. The best player I ever played against as a kid dominated in high school and college. Was drafted by the Cubs, and never made it past AA.


Yup. One summer for our travel baseball team when I was 16 we picked up a kid for the next tournament who just dominated every time he took the mound. Also remember him convincing me to try chewing tobacco for the first time with him after one of those games.

Kids name was Carl Pavano
RE: Interesting story behind Brown being drafted by Giants  
Blue21 : 9/19/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14588486 John In CO said:
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Thought some may enjoy this portion of the interview. Im sure some on here are aware of this story, but I wasnt. Dave Brown Draft Story - ( New Window )



That was quite a story
I wonder if in his emails to Daniel Jones he told him not to take the  
Blue21 : 9/19/2019 7:39 pm : link
#17. Leave it at Duke.
RE: RE: Brown was tough I will give him that but I thought he was a lousy QB  
darren in pdx : 9/19/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14588644 jnoble said:
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I wasn't too big of a fan of his as a player.



As he explained in the interview, Reeve's crappy conservative offense hamstrung him...run run, pass on 3rd and long. Rinse lather repeat.
Although Reeve's did run the flea flicker at least a few times a year, something we rarely if ever saw under Coughlin or Macadouche or Shurmer so far


OBJ threw two TDs last season.
RE: I recommend  
mfsd : 9/19/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14588614 Eric from BBI said:
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watching the ENTIRE interview... 24 minutes long... great stuff here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKr9NN8mLM - ( New Window )


+1

Great interview
I wish I could find a clip of Brown trucking Deon Sanders.  
CRinCA : 9/19/2019 7:54 pm : link
That was his career highlight in my mind.
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steve in ky : 9/19/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14588736 CRinCA said:
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That was his career highlight in my mind.


It really was
RE: I recommend  
Danny Kanell : 9/19/2019 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14588614 Eric from BBI said:
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watching the ENTIRE interview... 24 minutes long... great stuff here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKr9NN8mLM - ( New Window )


That entire interview was fantastic
I liked Brown  
Go Terps : 9/19/2019 8:35 pm : link
He was a tough guy who didn't have huge talent, but maximized what he had to a 9 or 10 year long career. I was far more annoyed by Kerry Collins, who had enormous talent but a ten cent head.
RE: I liked Brown  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14588807 Go Terps said:
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He was a tough guy who didn't have huge talent, but maximized what he had to a 9 or 10 year long career. I was far more annoyed by Kerry Collins, who had enormous talent but a ten cent head.
If Collins had a more noteworthy career he'd be just popular enough to be regarded as one of the most disappointing QB prospects of all time relative to his potential and his skillset.
RE: I liked Brown  
jnoble : 9/19/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14588807 Go Terps said:
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He was a tough guy who didn't have huge talent, but maximized what he had to a 9 or 10 year long career. I was far more annoyed by Kerry Collins, who had enormous talent but a ten cent head.


I've had a ton of respect for Brown's efforts with us but even with his shortcomings Kerry was still a far better overall QB than Dave ever was.
Worst starting QB for the Giants ever  
RobCarpenter : 9/19/2019 8:45 pm : link
And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.

Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.
I'm amazed any fan could have preferred Brown to Collins  
steve in ky : 9/19/2019 8:50 pm : link
I can't even fathom it.
Of course Collins was better than Brown  
Go Terps : 9/19/2019 8:52 pm : link
But Collins didn't get what he could have out of his potential. He's the most physically talented quarterback the Giants have had in my life, and that includes Simms. Just unreal throwing ability. But far from a great player.
Thanks Terrific Interview  
big canoe jeff : 9/19/2019 9:03 pm : link
Better than I thought. Dave very candid
RE: Of course Collins was better than Brown  
jnoble : 9/19/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14588829 Go Terps said:
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But Collins didn't get what he could have out of his potential. He's the most physically talented quarterback the Giants have had in my life, and that includes Simms. Just unreal throwing ability. But far from a great player.


Collins biggest weakness was falling apart like a wet cardboard box under pass rush pressure. I've always thought Bill Romanowksy breaking his jaw early in his career made him gunshy from taking hits after that
RE: Worst starting QB for the Giants ever  
jnoble : 9/19/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14588823 RobCarpenter said:
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And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.

Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.


Nope. Tommy Maddox was far worse than Brown.
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RobCarpenter : 9/19/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14588857 jnoble said:
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In comment 14588823 RobCarpenter said:


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And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.

Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.



Nope. Tommy Maddox was far worse than Brown.


He was never a starter on the Giants. He came in after Brown had started a game.
RE: I'm amazed any fan could have preferred Brown to Collins  
RobCarpenter : 9/19/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14588827 steve in ky said:
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I can't even fathom it.


Me either. Brown never cracked the 300 yard barrier.
RE: I recommend  
Eli Wilson : 9/19/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14588614 Eric from BBI said:
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watching the ENTIRE interview... 24 minutes long... great stuff here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKr9NN8mLM - ( New Window )


That was fantastic. Always thought he was a good dude.
RE: I wish I could find a clip of Brown trucking Deon Sanders.  
Eli Wilson : 9/19/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14588736 CRinCA said:
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That was his career highlight in my mind.


Here you go
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What a great interview  
Matt M. : 9/19/2019 10:28 pm : link
I don't think he ever shared that draft story before.
So, the Giants were talking to his parents  
short lease : 9/19/2019 10:48 pm : link

Hmmmm ....
RE: Worst starting QB for the Giants ever  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14588823 RobCarpenter said:
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And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.

Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.


Dave Brown exemplified the term a deer in headlights.

And happy feet.

And seeing ghosts.

And bird-dogging.

Etc.

Nice guy but just a horrible fit here.
That was the QB Dark Age...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2019 11:57 pm : link
Brown, Maddox, Graham, Kanell, Collins...
RE: That was the QB Dark Age...  
steve in ky : 9/20/2019 12:03 am : link
In comment 14589052 bw in dc said:
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Brown, Maddox, Graham, Kanell, Collins...


Very true but kind of ironic to this thread that it was also when BBI was at it's best
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jnoble : 9/20/2019 12:09 am : link
In comment 14589050 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14588823 RobCarpenter said:


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And it’s not close. Kerry Collins may be an a-hole but he was a real
QB. And by starting QB, I mean for an entire season.

Dave Brown somehow started multiple games in multiple seasons. He may be a great person. But as a QB he was complete and utter dog shit. One of the worst decisions ever by George Young.



Dave Brown exemplified the term a deer in headlights.

And happy feet.

And seeing ghosts.

And bird-dogging.

Etc.

Nice guy but just a horrible fit here.


To be fair to him, given the quality of the coaching & game plans & Olines & WRs on the mid 90's Giant teams, almost no QB could've succeeded
RE: That was the QB Dark Age...  
jnoble : 9/20/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14589052 bw in dc said:
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Brown, Maddox, Graham, Kanell, Collins...


Collins makes your list of dark age QBs? He was the first step OUT of that era lol
Remember 41-0 against the Vikings?
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