With Elis era coming to an end, it's amazing seeing Brady still play at the level he does it at.
How does he STILL do it? He's 42 right now. 42!
Through two games this season.
44/64 for 605 yards. 5 TDs, 0ints
He's without a doubt the greatest of all time, but to still perform at this level? It can't be just Belichick. Bill isn't out there taking the hits, or making the throws.
Is it the TB12 program? The Michigan Man mentality? When can we expect him to finally start to show signs of a decline?
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I stopped reading after you said it’s dumb to compare Eli and Brady. Who is comparing them?
Same with Belichick.
They are complete outliers.
I can compare my HS QB to TB if I want to. AND, I might be able to make a very good/fair comparison.
(BTW, my QB was 14-19 299 4TD 1INT last week)
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Brady is far greater than Eli. It is dumb to compare them. Brady is a master at moving the chains with short stuff but he also has the ability to stick winning throws with phenomenal ball placement 15 to 25 yards downfield. Manning does not have this ability anymore. Also Brady is a great fit for a high pct effective ball control Offense. Through the season he helps the offense evolve, every season, to a point where it is hard to defend. With great talent or without it. Eli does not have this ability anymore.
I stopped reading after you said it’s dumb to compare Eli and Brady. Who is comparing them?
Eli is the one who looks 42, Brady more like 32.
Whatever people think, that TB12 is working for him.
It doesn't mean it would necessarily work for others?
Is he great? Duh. Obviously. But he is in the best possible situation in New England. Great organization with the GoaT HC.
It's interesting to ponder how Rivers, Ben, or Eli would have done in that situation. Would they have less Super Bowls? Been less dominant? Maybe. But how much less?
So you're saying their trainers are actually the devil incarnate? Making a deal with the Devil is the only explanation.
And why didn't Chad Henne or Drew Henson or Brian Griese or Denard Robinson or Todd Collins or etc. etc have it?
Sorry, couldn't resist had a Col. Frank Slade flashback:
'Because he's not a Bairdman. Bairdmen. You hurt this boy, you're gonna be Baird bums, the lot of ya.
And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there,
F*** YOU TOO!'
Same with Belichick.
They are complete outliers.
Yes TB and BB are all of these but TB also has a unique skill set that totally adds to his greatness. He is a complete master at the short, quick rhythm pass game, like Montana. Many try to emulate him but none really do it as well as consistently. Brady also knows how to make winning throws, daggers, when he has to. His ball placement in crunch time, when he has to make the kill, is second to none. Yea pairing him with BB is killer, and his commitment is second to none, but like Michael Jordan who you could say the same about, he has the talent to go with the desire to win.
Okay. What's the excuse when he plays the rest of the league and still wins and puts up ridiculous numbers?
I guess my original question is being missed. He hasn't aged. Hasn't declined. He's 42. Our QB at 38 is done. There's injuries around the league left and right. How many other QBs last as long as he does? How does he still do it, and the level he is doing it at?
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Okay. What's the excuse when he plays the rest of the league and still wins and puts up ridiculous numbers?
I guess my original question is being missed. He hasn't aged. Hasn't declined. He's 42. Our QB at 38 is done. There's injuries around the league left and right. How many other QBs last as long as he does? How does he still do it, and the level he is doing it at?
You're right. The OJ after Toothpaste division that he's played for the last 18 years can't be a significant factor. It's probably, as AndyMilligan September 2019 suggests, his "Desire to win."
I think that Dan Marino wishes he was born 40 years later than he was.....
But, joking aside, I do think it’s Belichek.
Think it's the other way around, and it's not even close.
I think that Dan Marino wishes he was born 40 years later than he was.....
Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.
Ah, buncha high motor guys.
Kinda what I was going after. Belichick can't coach guys to not age, or fall off a cliff. Just almost unheard of these days.
Hmm, Wes Welker averaged over 110 receptions per year in 6 seasons with Brady, less than 50 in 5 years elsewhere.
Sometimes, you just got to admit the guy is really fucking good.
He has also played in the same offense his entire career. Have different people been coordinators, yes, but bill grows coaches internally, so he has NEVER had to change the complete offense. He just adds to it.
I said his focus on flexibility was key, but genetics plays a role. It is silly to think otherwise. You are right that nutrition is key, too, but it's not like Brady is the only guy in NFL history who ate well.
It must be immensely liberating as an offensive player on that team not to have to doubt the credibility of those around you. There is a responsibility there, for sure... you know it is all on you. But that is empowering as well.
We are two games in, season is fresh. I predict by season's end he will show some wear again.
Still...guy is amazing.
He has also played in the same offense his entire career. Have different people been coordinators, yes, but bill grows coaches internally, so he has NEVER had to change the complete offense. He just adds to it.
How much money do you think kraft funnels in to TB12? And do you have a source or just throwing out reckless accusations?
You'd think that a guy whose skillset depends on velocity would fall off but maybe throwing short bullets is something you can maintain longer than throwing long ropes? Clearly he does an excellent job of maintaining himself physically.
Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.
Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.
Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.
Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.
I think you are getting out over your skis here.
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Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.
Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.
Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.
Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.
I think you are getting out over your skis here.
Well, the Marks bros were very good (Duper and Clayton). He wasn't hurting on offense. It's the defenses that never could help Marino's teams get over the hump. Never better than mediocre for Marino's whole tenure really.
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Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.
I was just having this discussion with a longtime Miami fan. Marino was indeed cursed with lack of support a la Rivers, Stafford, Rodgers etc etc... BUT....he himself was hugely responsible for a lot of critical losses in impact games.
Rivers played his first 5 years with peak Tomlinson, Gates, and a lot of quality receivers and then had Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen, etc.
Stafford played the first 7 years with Calvin Johnson, and had a ton of other quality skill guys.
Rodgers also had a ton of skill guys - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Driver, Jennings, Green, James Jones,etc.
I wasn't clear if you were suggesting those three did not have a solid cast around them.
I was just having this discussion with a longtime Miami fan. Marino was indeed cursed with lack of support a la Rivers, Stafford, Rodgers etc etc... BUT....he himself was hugely responsible for a lot of critical losses in impact games.
Which games specifically?
I know that one year they get obliterated by Jax...something like 62-3. But I really don't recall Marino having some huge choking moment.
I'll certainly stand to be corrected there...
He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.
Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.
That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
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Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.
Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.
Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.
Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.
I think you are getting out over your skis here.
Well, the Marks bros were very good (Duper and Clayton). He wasn't hurting on offense. It's the defenses that never could help Marino's teams get over the hump. Never better than mediocre for Marino's whole tenure really.
umm yea Marino had decent weapons to work with and always had a good to great line..
He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.
Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.
That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
For sure. It's a combination of things there that equal the success. Tom is absolutely one of those things for sure, but if anyone thinks he has anywhere near the success he has had on another team (like the NY football Giants)... well... nope lol
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hand. Sure some things are, but eating healthy is discipline not some genetic lottery. Look at what alcoholics/drug addicts look like in their 40's. Why would food be any different? Sure there is less stress from bad food than there is from drugs/alcohol, but healthy foods are going to help you age better. It isn't a shock that the majority of people that age well, eat well.
I said his focus on flexibility was key, but genetics plays a role. It is silly to think otherwise. You are right that nutrition is key, too, but it's not like Brady is the only guy in NFL history who ate well.
I think you'd be surprised how many of these guys diets is not good. You can get away with a lot when you burn as many calories as they do. Eric Weddle is one of those guys that embraced it and it has definitely extended his playing career.
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The NE playbook is a foot thick. TB happens to know it all, and they cycle stuff in and out based on trends, based on their current personnel and they like to take stuff they haven't run for 3-4years+ and put it back in.
He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.
Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.
That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
For sure. It's a combination of things there that equal the success. Tom is absolutely one of those things for sure, but if anyone thinks he has anywhere near the success he has had on another team (like the NY football Giants)... well... nope lol
But at the same time I don’t think anyone else could replicate what he does on the pats.
Great OL coach, great head coach and historically weak division make his path a bit easier but make no mistake the guy is elite mentally with a football. There was never talk about dumbing down the offense
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Bill Belichick, and he is a freak of nature
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Dont they have same winning percentage outside afc east?