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Tom Brady: How does he STILL do it?

LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 8:30 am
With Elis era coming to an end, it's amazing seeing Brady still play at the level he does it at.

How does he STILL do it? He's 42 right now. 42!

Through two games this season.

44/64 for 605 yards. 5 TDs, 0ints

He's without a doubt the greatest of all time, but to still perform at this level? It can't be just Belichick. Bill isn't out there taking the hits, or making the throws.

Is it the TB12 program? The Michigan Man mentality? When can we expect him to finally start to show signs of a decline?

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IMHO the older QBs still in the league  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/20/2019 9:17 am : link
tend to be the guys whose games have been based on accuracy. Tom Brady thrives on great accuracy on the short and intermediate routes. Not sure that goes as much as the big arms do.
AFC EAST  
joeinpa : 9/20/2019 9:17 am : link
Bill Belichick, and he is a freak of nature
It is incredible  
rocco8112 : 9/20/2019 9:18 am : link
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John McCay Quote  
aka dbrny : 9/20/2019 9:22 am : link
"To pick a national champion, you should always select the team without a tremendously difficult schedule. There's a difference between fighting 10 Joe Louises and fighting one Joe Louis and nine stiffs."

And if you want a good laugh...click the link below and read on...
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first...  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:23 am : link
Brady is far greater than Eli. It is dumb to compare them. Brady is a master at moving the chains with short stuff but he also has the ability to stick winning throws with phenomenal ball placement 15 to 25 yards downfield. Manning does not have this ability anymore. Also Brady is a great fit for a high pct effective ball control Offense. Through the season he helps the offense evolve, every season, to a point where it is hard to defend. With great talent or without it. Eli does not have this ability anymore.
RE: first...  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14589232 AndyMilligan said:
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Brady is far greater than Eli. It is dumb to compare them. Brady is a master at moving the chains with short stuff but he also has the ability to stick winning throws with phenomenal ball placement 15 to 25 yards downfield. Manning does not have this ability anymore. Also Brady is a great fit for a high pct effective ball control Offense. Through the season he helps the offense evolve, every season, to a point where it is hard to defend. With great talent or without it. Eli does not have this ability anymore.


I stopped reading after you said itís dumb to compare Eli and Brady. Who is comparing them?
Pete Rose played well in his 40's  
Chip : 9/20/2019 9:26 am : link
but I am with others here and he is taking something and knows how to hide it.
Brady...  
bw in dc : 9/20/2019 9:28 am : link
is passionate, single focused, absolutely committed to his craft, and is blessed with a great football mind.

Same with Belichick.

They are complete outliers.
Never understood...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/20/2019 9:33 am : link
Ö"you can't compare the two..."

I can compare my HS QB to TB if I want to. AND, I might be able to make a very good/fair comparison.

(BTW, my QB was 14-19 299 4TD 1INT last week)
RE: RE: first...  
Carson53 : 9/20/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14589235 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14589232 AndyMilligan said:


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Brady is far greater than Eli. It is dumb to compare them. Brady is a master at moving the chains with short stuff but he also has the ability to stick winning throws with phenomenal ball placement 15 to 25 yards downfield. Manning does not have this ability anymore. Also Brady is a great fit for a high pct effective ball control Offense. Through the season he helps the offense evolve, every season, to a point where it is hard to defend. With great talent or without it. Eli does not have this ability anymore.



I stopped reading after you said itís dumb to compare Eli and Brady. Who is comparing them?
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Eli is the one who looks 42, Brady more like 32.
Whatever people think, that TB12 is working for him.
It doesn't mean it would necessarily work for others?
Hi is amazing... BUT  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2019 9:37 am : link
Anybody who thinks that team is where they are just because of Tom Brady is pretty ignorant.

Is he great? Duh. Obviously. But he is in the best possible situation in New England. Great organization with the GoaT HC.

It's interesting to ponder how Rivers, Ben, or Eli would have done in that situation. Would they have less Super Bowls? Been less dominant? Maybe. But how much less?
RE: I don't know. I do know that I find his weird allegiance to that  
bradshaw44 : 9/20/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14589176 Heisenberg said:
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weirdo trainer a little odd. Odd in a similar way to ARod and his weird trainer, if you get my drift.


So you're saying their trainers are actually the devil incarnate? Making a deal with the Devil is the only explanation.
RE: Michigan Man Mentality?  
Carson53 : 9/20/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14589204 pjcas18 said:
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what's that?

And why didn't Chad Henne or Drew Henson or Brian Griese or Denard Robinson or Todd Collins or etc. etc have it?
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Sorry, couldn't resist had a Col. Frank Slade flashback:

'Because he's not a Bairdman. Bairdmen. You hurt this boy, you're gonna be Baird bums, the lot of ya.
And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there,
F*** YOU TOO!'
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/20/2019 10:00 am : link
Dante Scarnecchia might be the most underrated unknown coach to casual fans in football.
AAAFC East  
NoPeanutz : 9/20/2019 10:03 am : link
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RE: Brady...  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14589244 bw in dc said:
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is passionate, single focused, absolutely committed to his craft, and is blessed with a great football mind.

Same with Belichick.

They are complete outliers.

Yes TB and BB are all of these but TB also has a unique skill set that totally adds to his greatness. He is a complete master at the short, quick rhythm pass game, like Montana. Many try to emulate him but none really do it as well as consistently. Brady also knows how to make winning throws, daggers, when he has to. His ball placement in crunch time, when he has to make the kill, is second to none. Yea pairing him with BB is killer, and his commitment is second to none, but like Michael Jordan who you could say the same about, he has the talent to go with the desire to win.
RE: AAAFC East  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14589310 NoPeanutz said:
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Okay. What's the excuse when he plays the rest of the league and still wins and puts up ridiculous numbers?

I guess my original question is being missed. He hasn't aged. Hasn't declined. He's 42. Our QB at 38 is done. There's injuries around the league left and right. How many other QBs last as long as he does? How does he still do it, and the level he is doing it at?
RE: AFC EAST  
micky : 9/20/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14589217 joeinpa said:
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Bill Belichick, and he is a freak of nature


This:


The AFC East
Tom Brady has dedicated himself to healthy eating for like 15 years  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 10:09 am : link
now. The problem is a lot of these guys don't do it until it is too late. That in of itself can probably buy you another 5-7 years.
RE: RE: AAAFC East  
NoPeanutz : 9/20/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14589316 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Okay. What's the excuse when he plays the rest of the league and still wins and puts up ridiculous numbers?

I guess my original question is being missed. He hasn't aged. Hasn't declined. He's 42. Our QB at 38 is done. There's injuries around the league left and right. How many other QBs last as long as he does? How does he still do it, and the level he is doing it at?


You're right. The OJ after Toothpaste division that he's played for the last 18 years can't be a significant factor. It's probably, as AndyMilligan September 2019 suggests, his "Desire to win."
important caveat  
dlauster : 9/20/2019 10:09 am : link
He also does this in an era where it has become impossible for defenders to even touch him without drawing a flag, not to mention the quarterback slide "giving himself up" without being hit.

I think that Dan Marino wishes he was born 40 years later than he was.....
RE: Avoiding strawberries  
barens : 9/20/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14589173 Jerz44 said:
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like the plague.

But, joking aside, I do think itís Belichek.


Think it's the other way around, and it's not even close.
BB gets him  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/20/2019 10:15 am : link
Edelman and Welker. Those guys are basically uncoverable out of the slot.
RE: important caveat  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14589334 dlauster said:
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He also does this in an era where it has become impossible for defenders to even touch him without drawing a flag, not to mention the quarterback slide "giving himself up" without being hit.

I think that Dan Marino wishes he was born 40 years later than he was.....

Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.
RE: BB gets him  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14589350 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Edelman and Welker. Those guys are basically uncoverable out of the slot.


Ah, buncha high motor guys.
I agree that BB has a lot to do with Brady's success,  
Section331 : 9/20/2019 10:39 am : link
but you can't put this incredible late-career success on BB. It is unheard of, and I think it speaks to how Brady prioritized flexibility over strength. That and genetics; he clearly won the genetics lottery.
RE: I agree that BB has a lot to do with Brady's success,  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14589412 Section331 said:
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but you can't put this incredible late-career success on BB. It is unheard of, and I think it speaks to how Brady prioritized flexibility over strength. That and genetics; he clearly won the genetics lottery.


Kinda what I was going after. Belichick can't coach guys to not age, or fall off a cliff. Just almost unheard of these days.
RE: BB gets him  
Section331 : 9/20/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14589350 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Edelman and Welker. Those guys are basically uncoverable out of the slot.


Hmm, Wes Welker averaged over 110 receptions per year in 6 seasons with Brady, less than 50 in 5 years elsewhere.

Sometimes, you just got to admit the guy is really fucking good.
I love how people are always talkin about genetics, like it is out of  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 10:57 am : link
hand. Sure some things are, but eating healthy is discipline not some genetic lottery. Look at what alcoholics/drug addicts look like in their 40's. Why would food be any different? Sure there is less stress from bad food than there is from drugs/alcohol, but healthy foods are going to help you age better. It isn't a shock that the majority of people that age well, eat well.
He takes less money  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/20/2019 10:59 am : link
Because of TB12 funnels money to him directly from Kraft. There is always that.

He has also played in the same offense his entire career. Have different people been coordinators, yes, but bill grows coaches internally, so he has NEVER had to change the complete offense. He just adds to it.
RE: I love how people are always talkin about genetics, like it is out of  
Section331 : 9/20/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14589443 Zeke's Alibi said:
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hand. Sure some things are, but eating healthy is discipline not some genetic lottery. Look at what alcoholics/drug addicts look like in their 40's. Why would food be any different? Sure there is less stress from bad food than there is from drugs/alcohol, but healthy foods are going to help you age better. It isn't a shock that the majority of people that age well, eat well.


I said his focus on flexibility was key, but genetics plays a role. It is silly to think otherwise. You are right that nutrition is key, too, but it's not like Brady is the only guy in NFL history who ate well.
Cheating.  
Stan in LA : 9/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
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I think there is  
santacruzom : 9/20/2019 12:16 pm : link
A bit of a self fulfilling prophecy going on as well, a simple "success begets success" element with an indestructible foundation, immune to second guessing. They are so utterly confident in their system, themselves, their process, their front office, and their QB.

It must be immensely liberating as an offensive player on that team not to have to doubt the credibility of those around you. There is a responsibility there, for sure... you know it is all on you. But that is empowering as well.
Brady is maybe the best all time....  
BillKo : 9/20/2019 12:47 pm : link
....but remember, just a few years ago he looked like he was starting to show some wear. Even last year.

We are two games in, season is fresh. I predict by season's end he will show some wear again.

Still...guy is amazing.
RE: He takes less money  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14589446 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Because of TB12 funnels money to him directly from Kraft. There is always that.

He has also played in the same offense his entire career. Have different people been coordinators, yes, but bill grows coaches internally, so he has NEVER had to change the complete offense. He just adds to it.



How much money do you think kraft funnels in to TB12? And do you have a source or just throwing out reckless accusations?
him and Marino  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/20/2019 12:58 pm : link
are the GOATs at the short passing game. In terms of velocity + accuracy, no one else is on their tier.

You'd think that a guy whose skillset depends on velocity would fall off but maybe throwing short bullets is something you can maintain longer than throwing long ropes? Clearly he does an excellent job of maintaining himself physically.
RE: RE: important caveat  
bw in dc : 9/20/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14589352 AndyMilligan said:
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Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.


Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.

Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.

Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.

I think you are getting out over your skis here.
Resistance bands  
Les in TO : 9/20/2019 1:13 pm : link
Meditation and organic avocados
RE: RE: RE: important caveat  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14589694 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14589352 AndyMilligan said:


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Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.



Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.

Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.

Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.

I think you are getting out over your skis here.

Well, the Marks bros were very good (Duper and Clayton). He wasn't hurting on offense. It's the defenses that never could help Marino's teams get over the hump. Never better than mediocre for Marino's whole tenure really.
If he played on the Giants  
exiled : 9/20/2019 2:31 pm : link
for the past 6 years behind that OL, heíd be heading up the practice squad right now. Heís a pocket passer, but he has a nice short passing game and an offense built to his strengths.
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jonnyess : 9/20/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14589694 bw in dc said:
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Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.



I was just having this discussion with a longtime Miami fan. Marino was indeed cursed with lack of support a la Rivers, Stafford, Rodgers etc etc... BUT....he himself was hugely responsible for a lot of critical losses in impact games.
Rivers Stafford and Rodgers  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 2:48 pm : link
had a lack of support?

Rivers played his first 5 years with peak Tomlinson, Gates, and a lot of quality receivers and then had Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen, etc.

Stafford played the first 7 years with Calvin Johnson, and had a ton of other quality skill guys.

Rodgers also had a ton of skill guys - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Driver, Jennings, Green, James Jones,etc.

I wasn't clear if you were suggesting those three did not have a solid cast around them.

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bw in dc : 9/20/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14589848 jonnyess said:
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I was just having this discussion with a longtime Miami fan. Marino was indeed cursed with lack of support a la Rivers, Stafford, Rodgers etc etc... BUT....he himself was hugely responsible for a lot of critical losses in impact games.


Which games specifically?

I know that one year they get obliterated by Jax...something like 62-3. But I really don't recall Marino having some huge choking moment.

I'll certainly stand to be corrected there...
He has likely the best situation of any QB in history.  
Racer : 9/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
The NE playbook is a foot thick. TB happens to know it all, and they cycle stuff in and out based on trends, based on their current personnel and they like to take stuff they haven't run for 3-4years+ and put it back in.

He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.

Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.

That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
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AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14589725 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14589694 bw in dc said:


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In comment 14589352 AndyMilligan said:


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Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.



Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.

Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.

Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.

I think you are getting out over your skis here.


Well, the Marks bros were very good (Duper and Clayton). He wasn't hurting on offense. It's the defenses that never could help Marino's teams get over the hump. Never better than mediocre for Marino's whole tenure really.


umm yea Marino had decent weapons to work with and always had a good to great line..
RE: He has likely the best situation of any QB in history.  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14589930 Racer said:
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The NE playbook is a foot thick. TB happens to know it all, and they cycle stuff in and out based on trends, based on their current personnel and they like to take stuff they haven't run for 3-4years+ and put it back in.

He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.

Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.

That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.

For sure. It's a combination of things there that equal the success. Tom is absolutely one of those things for sure, but if anyone thinks he has anywhere near the success he has had on another team (like the NY football Giants)... well... nope lol
RE: RE: I love how people are always talkin about genetics, like it is out of  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14589467 Section331 said:
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In comment 14589443 Zeke's Alibi said:


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hand. Sure some things are, but eating healthy is discipline not some genetic lottery. Look at what alcoholics/drug addicts look like in their 40's. Why would food be any different? Sure there is less stress from bad food than there is from drugs/alcohol, but healthy foods are going to help you age better. It isn't a shock that the majority of people that age well, eat well.



I said his focus on flexibility was key, but genetics plays a role. It is silly to think otherwise. You are right that nutrition is key, too, but it's not like Brady is the only guy in NFL history who ate well.


I think you'd be surprised how many of these guys diets is not good. You can get away with a lot when you burn as many calories as they do. Eric Weddle is one of those guys that embraced it and it has definitely extended his playing career.
RE: RE: He has likely the best situation of any QB in history.  
ron mexico : 9/20/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14590023 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14589930 Racer said:


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The NE playbook is a foot thick. TB happens to know it all, and they cycle stuff in and out based on trends, based on their current personnel and they like to take stuff they haven't run for 3-4years+ and put it back in.

He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.

Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.

That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.


For sure. It's a combination of things there that equal the success. Tom is absolutely one of those things for sure, but if anyone thinks he has anywhere near the success he has had on another team (like the NY football Giants)... well... nope lol


But at the same time I donít think anyone else could replicate what he does on the pats.
Brady is the Bobby Fisher of QB's  
xman : 9/20/2019 6:16 pm : link
in the respect that he is genius able to see the whole field digest the data and make an instantaneous decision and completes the process with an accurate pass.

Great OL coach, great head coach and historically weak division make his path a bit easier but make no mistake the guy is elite mentally with a football. There was never talk about dumbing down the offense
RE: RE: AFC EAST  
uther99 : 9/20/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14589319 micky said:
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In comment 14589217 joeinpa said:


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Bill Belichick, and he is a freak of nature



This:


The AFC East


Dont they have same winning percentage outside afc east?
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