With Elis era coming to an end, it's amazing seeing Brady still play at the level he does it at.
How does he STILL do it? He's 42 right now. 42!
Through two games this season.
44/64 for 605 yards. 5 TDs, 0ints
He's without a doubt the greatest of all time, but to still perform at this level? It can't be just Belichick. Bill isn't out there taking the hits, or making the throws.
Is it the TB12 program? The Michigan Man mentality? When can we expect him to finally start to show signs of a decline?
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Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.
I was just having this discussion with a longtime Miami fan. Marino was indeed cursed with lack of support a la Rivers, Stafford, Rodgers etc etc... BUT....he himself was hugely responsible for a lot of critical losses in impact games.
Rivers played his first 5 years with peak Tomlinson, Gates, and a lot of quality receivers and then had Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen, etc.
Stafford played the first 7 years with Calvin Johnson, and had a ton of other quality skill guys.
Rodgers also had a ton of skill guys - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Driver, Jennings, Green, James Jones,etc.
I wasn't clear if you were suggesting those three did not have a solid cast around them.
I was just having this discussion with a longtime Miami fan. Marino was indeed cursed with lack of support a la Rivers, Stafford, Rodgers etc etc... BUT....he himself was hugely responsible for a lot of critical losses in impact games.
Which games specifically?
I know that one year they get obliterated by Jax...something like 62-3. But I really don't recall Marino having some huge choking moment.
I'll certainly stand to be corrected there...
He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.
Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.
That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
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Dan Marino is a fucking legend for sure. In the discussion for best QB of all time and is near the top of the list in terms of best ball placement, release, etc etc.. but he quite simply did not elevate his team the way Brady does.
Really? Name the HoF WR receivers Marino played with. The TE. The RBs.
Name the HoF defenders Marino played with.
Marino was great right away. He dragged that team to the SB his second year in '84. I can argue that no team offered less support for a great player than Miami did with Marino.
I think you are getting out over your skis here.
Well, the Marks bros were very good (Duper and Clayton). He wasn't hurting on offense. It's the defenses that never could help Marino's teams get over the hump. Never better than mediocre for Marino's whole tenure really.
umm yea Marino had decent weapons to work with and always had a good to great line..
He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.
Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.
That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
For sure. It's a combination of things there that equal the success. Tom is absolutely one of those things for sure, but if anyone thinks he has anywhere near the success he has had on another team (like the NY football Giants)... well... nope lol
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hand. Sure some things are, but eating healthy is discipline not some genetic lottery. Look at what alcoholics/drug addicts look like in their 40's. Why would food be any different? Sure there is less stress from bad food than there is from drugs/alcohol, but healthy foods are going to help you age better. It isn't a shock that the majority of people that age well, eat well.
I said his focus on flexibility was key, but genetics plays a role. It is silly to think otherwise. You are right that nutrition is key, too, but it's not like Brady is the only guy in NFL history who ate well.
I think you'd be surprised how many of these guys diets is not good. You can get away with a lot when you burn as many calories as they do. Eric Weddle is one of those guys that embraced it and it has definitely extended his playing career.
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The NE playbook is a foot thick. TB happens to know it all, and they cycle stuff in and out based on trends, based on their current personnel and they like to take stuff they haven't run for 3-4years+ and put it back in.
He's also obsessed with working on his footwork and other technique, as in having somebody film his footwork for an entire practice or have the backup (so said Jim Miller) watch his feet on every practice snap.
Never mind their OL is led by a Jedi Master. It took Solder half a season to change his technique from a jump-setter in the Pats O to his preferred NYG technique.
That Team's attention to detail is remarkable, and his personal standards in that area are equally so.
For sure. It's a combination of things there that equal the success. Tom is absolutely one of those things for sure, but if anyone thinks he has anywhere near the success he has had on another team (like the NY football Giants)... well... nope lol
But at the same time I don’t think anyone else could replicate what he does on the pats.
Great OL coach, great head coach and historically weak division make his path a bit easier but make no mistake the guy is elite mentally with a football. There was never talk about dumbing down the offense
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Bill Belichick, and he is a freak of nature
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The AFC East
Dont they have same winning percentage outside afc east?