I believe this is a relevant comparison. FWIW.
Brett Favre
Games:302
Record:186-112
TD:508
Int: 336
Yards: 71838
Rate:86.0
Fumbles/Lost: 166/73
Comp Pct: 62.0
Years:20
Super Bowl Victories: XXXI
NFC Champion: 2 - 1996, 1997
NFC North Champion: 7 - 1995-1997, 2002-2004, 2007
Eli Manning
Games:234
Record: 116-116
TD:362
Int: 241
Yards: 56537
Rate:84.1
Fumbles/Lost: 124/56
Comp Pct: 60.3
Years: 16
Super Bowl Victories: 2
NFC Champion: 2 - 2007, 2011
NFC East Champion: 3 - 2005, 2008, 2011
One is a no doubt HoF'er. The other is more borderline.
I think if you look at the first half of each careers maybe a little.
Favre had much better support overall imo for his career. I think the biggest difference was that both took risks and made mind-boggling mistakes but Eli really minimized that come playoff time while Favre did not.
But just as a pure player Favre was better.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Being honest, Eli was in the top-5 of NFL QBs for only a couple of years, at most. It is embarrassing to compare Eli to Favre. It's just homerism.
oh yeaaa.. thaaat minor detail...
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Being honest, Eli was in the top-5 of NFL QBs for only a couple of years, at most. It is embarrassing to compare Eli to Favre. It's just homerism.
Correct.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Yes, in 2011.
Favre’s arm, mobility, improvisation, and ability to lift the play of others are all plus skills.
Physically, Eli isn’t in the same universe as Favre.
They do have this one key trait - they were very reckless decision makers.
LOL
3x NFL MVP
3x First Team All Pro
3x Second Team All Pro
11x Pro Bowl (for what that's worth)
4x Passing TD Leader
2x Passing Yards Leader
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Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.
IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs. And that is illustrated by the number of divisional championships. Eli did not have the quality teams around him consistently that Favre had in the 90s and 00s. It is a direct cause-effect for his 50/50 record. How many times on this forum have we heard that the Giants wasted the prime of Eli's career? Well, what the hell does that mean? What does it translate to?
One is a no doubt HoF'er. The other is more borderline.
WTF are you talking about? Favre was a first ballot HOF'er...
Of course, please keep in mind Rodgers hasn't thrown for the magical 50,000 yard mark as of yet so this is all conjecture...
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how?
One is a no doubt HoF'er. The other is more borderline.
WTF are you talking about? Favre was a first ballot HOF'er...
then we agree. wtf are you wtf-ing about?
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Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.
IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs. And that is illustrated by the number of divisional championships. Eli did not have the quality teams around him consistently that Favre had in the 90s and 00s. It is a direct cause-effect for his 50/50 record. How many times on this forum have we heard that the Giants wasted the prime of Eli's career? Well, what the hell does that mean? What does it translate to?
oh cmon please..
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Yes, in 2011.
Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year.
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Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.
IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs. And that is illustrated by the number of divisional championships. Eli did not have the quality teams around him consistently that Favre had in the 90s and 00s. It is a direct cause-effect for his 50/50 record. How many times on this forum have we heard that the Giants wasted the prime of Eli's career? Well, what the hell does that mean? What does it translate to?
Eli on his best day cannot touch Favre. Embarrassing that we have delusional fana
Guys, the reality is that Eli had two amazing playoff runs.... period. Outside of that, the only thing you can point to from a statistical standpoint is his starting streak.
The most important statistic from the OP is the win-loss column. Not even close.
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Yes, in 2011.
Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year. Link - ( New Window )
Yes! Certainly not the best. Definitely not top-3. Probably not even top-5. We're talking about a season in which Tom Brady and Brees both went 5000+ yards and Rodgers had a monster TD/INT rate 45/6.
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Yes, in 2011.
Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year. Link - ( New Window )
Yes! Certainly not the best. Definitely not top-3. Probably not even top-5. We're talking about a season in which Tom Brady and Brees both went 5000+ yards and Rodgers had a monster TD/INT rate 45/6.
Just relying on stats is not the best of measure imo. So many do it but it really does not paint the complete picture.
Of course, please keep in mind Rodgers hasn't thrown for the magical 50,000 yard mark as of yet so this is all conjecture...
:-)
You know, you really are an insufferable douchebag.
No he's not. I love Eli but pretending he's something that he's not doesn't do it for me. I bet he makes the Hall eventually, but it could be a close call.
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Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.
IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs.
It isn't.
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maybe his accomplishments would have even been better.
Of course, please keep in mind Rodgers hasn't thrown for the magical 50,000 yard mark as of yet so this is all conjecture...
:-)
You know, you really are an insufferable douchebag.
I put the smiley...
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He is a Mannng
2 MVP Super Bowl
2 plays in Super Bowl that are considered "best" ever
Does not have a losing record.
Winning playoff record
And no, he's not better than Favre.
Warner's career was also unusual. And I think is HoF consideration was also very debatable. He had some great playoff runs. Had a few great regular seasons. But he has a huge doughnut hole in the middle of his career. Not the same career arc as Eli's but a very strange journey...
Peak Favre was a dominant player. Peak playoff Eli is up there with anyone i've seen in those situations, so he's played like it before, but never over a several season timespan.
Warner's career was also unusual. And I think is HoF consideration was also very debatable. He had some great playoff runs. Had a few great regular seasons. But he has a huge doughnut hole in the middle of his career. Not the same career arc as Eli's but a very strange journey...
Right? Eli is the only guy in sports I can remember that gets shit on for being clutch. Probably because his play outside the 4th and playoffs is just above mediocre.
-first few years a HOF left tackle, the best weapons in the game. Trent Green was ready to rock and roll in that offense but blew out his knee. Then Warner's got hurt some, his team around him got worse and so did his performance.
-Goes to Arizona, Head Coach with great offensive system, very good OL and Fitzgerald and Boldin and he takes off again.
Favre did have excellent talent just about every season. Even with the Jets and Vikings.
You could do the same drill with many other QB's and coaches as well but for some reason for Eli this is mostly ignored by many.
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there is a comp for Eli. His career is that unusual.
Warner's career was also unusual. And I think is HoF consideration was also very debatable. He had some great playoff runs. Had a few great regular seasons. But he has a huge doughnut hole in the middle of his career. Not the same career arc as Eli's but a very strange journey...
Right? Eli is the only guy in sports I can remember that gets shit on for being clutch. Probably because his play outside the 4th and playoffs is just above mediocre.
Eli came up big in two seasons. No one is taking that away from him. Want to call it being clutch? Okay, in those spots he did.
But he also came up short in other situations. So he wasn't clutch then. Or am I wrong?
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.
Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?
That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Yes, in 2011.
Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year. Link - ( New Window )
Yes! Certainly not the best. Definitely not top-3. Probably not even top-5. We're talking about a season in which Tom Brady and Brees both went 5000+ yards and Rodgers had a monster TD/INT rate 45/6.
Just relying on stats is not the best of measure imo. So many do it but it really does not paint the complete picture.
Exactly. He carried that team down the stretch and had one of the best playoff runs of any QB I have ever seen, ending with a Super Bowl MVP.
Favre was just a kid having fun like on the playground when he made boneheaded mistakes.
Eli when he did it was because he was overrated.
I'm sorry but I can't help myself. Eli showed in 2 playoffs runs out of 16 years he can be this "cold blooded assassin"? How many times did we need him to come up big in the regular season to get a crack at the playoffs? How many times did our offense completely no show? How many times did he throw a game ending pick? Were those not big moments?
18-1 That's not Eli's record.
He is a Mannng No offense, but this is the dumbest reason on your list and that includes the ones that aren't accurate.
2 MVP Super Bowl
2 plays in Super Bowl that are considered "best" ever
Does not have a losing record. Wow, talk about faint praise. There's no way that "does not have a losing record" is a winning bulletpoint on a HOF resume.
Winning playoff record
Comments embedded. Honestly, I can't tell if you're sincerely trying to make the case for Eli to be a HOFer. I think he is, although not a first-ballot HOFer, but your list is the opposite of compelling.
Looks like you're new, so hopefully this doesn't come across the wrong way, but pick a new handle. There's a longstanding member here with almost the same name.