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HOF: Favre vs. Manning

DeepBlueJint : 9/20/2019 9:10 am
I believe this is a relevant comparison. FWIW.

Brett Favre
Games:302
Record:186-112
TD:508
Int: 336
Yards: 71838
Rate:86.0
Fumbles/Lost: 166/73
Comp Pct: 62.0
Years:20
Super Bowl Victories: XXXI
NFC Champion: 2 - 1996, 1997
NFC North Champion: 7 - 1995-1997, 2002-2004, 2007

Eli Manning
Games:234
Record: 116-116
TD:362
Int: 241
Yards: 56537
Rate:84.1
Fumbles/Lost: 124/56
Comp Pct: 60.3
Years: 16
Super Bowl Victories: 2
NFC Champion: 2 - 2007, 2011
NFC East Champion: 3 - 2005, 2008, 2011
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relevant  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:18 am : link
how?

One is a no doubt HoF'er. The other is more borderline.
Probably  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/20/2019 9:21 am : link
rare outside of Giants fans that people will look at Eli as close to Favre.

I think if you look at the first half of each careers maybe a little.

Favre had much better support overall imo for his career. I think the biggest difference was that both took risks and made mind-boggling mistakes but Eli really minimized that come playoff time while Favre did not.
Favre was a significantly better player IMO  
Oscar : 9/20/2019 9:22 am : link
I love Eli but he’s s borderline HOF and will only get in because of the Super Bowls. Obviously Super Bowls are critical, they matter more than anything and Eli was a driving force behind those wins not just a game manager on great teams.

But just as a pure player Favre was better.
There is no comparison...  
Capt. Don : 9/20/2019 9:24 am : link
There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.
Out of curiosity...  
bw in dc : 9/20/2019 9:25 am : link
where are Favre’s MVPs listed?
RE: There is no comparison...  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14589237 Capt. Don said:
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.


Being honest, Eli was in the top-5 of NFL QBs for only a couple of years, at most. It is embarrassing to compare Eli to Favre. It's just homerism.
RE: Out of curiosity...  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14589238 bw in dc said:
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where are Favre’s MVPs listed?

oh yeaaa.. thaaat minor detail...
Favre does not have  
ATL_Giants : 9/20/2019 9:29 am : link
31 SuperBowl victories
To be fair OP said "relevant"  
V.I.G. : 9/20/2019 9:30 am : link
He shows Eli's numbers are worse than Farve, a sure fire hall of famer, but not by so much that Eli shouldn't get in.
RE: RE: There is no comparison...  
Capt. Don : 9/20/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14589241 AndyMilligan said:
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In comment 14589237 Capt. Don said:


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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.



Being honest, Eli was in the top-5 of NFL QBs for only a couple of years, at most. It is embarrassing to compare Eli to Favre. It's just homerism.


Correct.
I noticed you left out League MVPs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2019 9:31 am : link
Was that on purpose?
RE: There is no comparison...  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14589237 Capt. Don said:
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.

Yes, in 2011.
For the record...  
bw in dc : 9/20/2019 9:32 am : link
Favre has three. Manning zero.

Favre’s arm, mobility, improvisation, and ability to lift the play of others are all plus skills.

Physically, Eli isn’t in the same universe as Favre.

They do have this one key trait - they were very reckless decision makers.
RE: Favre does not have  
bradshaw44 : 9/20/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14589248 ATL_Giants said:
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31 SuperBowl victories


LOL
Lot of key missing  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 9/20/2019 9:32 am : link
items for Favre here...

3x NFL MVP
3x First Team All Pro
3x Second Team All Pro
11x Pro Bowl (for what that's worth)
4x Passing TD Leader
2x Passing Yards Leader
Really?  
DeepBlueJint : 9/20/2019 9:32 am : link
TDs to Interceptions are both around 1.5
Pass Rating similar
Completion % similar
Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.

IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs. And that is illustrated by the number of divisional championships. Eli did not have the quality teams around him consistently that Favre had in the 90s and 00s. It is a direct cause-effect for his 50/50 record. How many times on this forum have we heard that the Giants wasted the prime of Eli's career? Well, what the hell does that mean? What does it translate to?
To be fair  
Matt M. : 9/20/2019 9:35 am : link
Maybe the OP is trying to show that Eli is not a HOFer.
RE: relevant  
KentGraham : 9/20/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14589219 AndyMilligan said:
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how?

One is a no doubt HoF'er. The other is more borderline.


WTF are you talking about? Favre was a first ballot HOF'er...
If another future HOF didn't push Favre out of Green Bay  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2019 9:42 am : link
maybe his accomplishments would have even been better.

Of course, please keep in mind Rodgers hasn't thrown for the magical 50,000 yard mark as of yet so this is all conjecture...

:-)

RE: RE: relevant  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14589263 KentGraham said:
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how?

One is a no doubt HoF'er. The other is more borderline.



WTF are you talking about? Favre was a first ballot HOF'er...

then we agree. wtf are you wtf-ing about?
RE: Really?  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14589256 DeepBlueJint said:
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TDs to Interceptions are both around 1.5
Pass Rating similar
Completion % similar
Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.

IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs. And that is illustrated by the number of divisional championships. Eli did not have the quality teams around him consistently that Favre had in the 90s and 00s. It is a direct cause-effect for his 50/50 record. How many times on this forum have we heard that the Giants wasted the prime of Eli's career? Well, what the hell does that mean? What does it translate to?

oh cmon please..
RE: RE: There is no comparison...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14589252 Johnny5 said:
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.


Yes, in 2011.

Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year.

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RE: Really?  
Junior22 : 9/20/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14589256 DeepBlueJint said:
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TDs to Interceptions are both around 1.5
Pass Rating similar
Completion % similar
Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.

IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs. And that is illustrated by the number of divisional championships. Eli did not have the quality teams around him consistently that Favre had in the 90s and 00s. It is a direct cause-effect for his 50/50 record. How many times on this forum have we heard that the Giants wasted the prime of Eli's career? Well, what the hell does that mean? What does it translate to?


Eli on his best day cannot touch Favre. Embarrassing that we have delusional fana
Is the OP serious in comparing the two???  
EricJ : 9/20/2019 9:48 am : link
Really??

Guys, the reality is that Eli had two amazing playoff runs.... period. Outside of that, the only thing you can point to from a statistical standpoint is his starting streak.

The most important statistic from the OP is the win-loss column. Not even close.
RE: RE: RE: There is no comparison...  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14589273 Gatorade Dunk said:
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.


Yes, in 2011.


Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year. Link - ( New Window )

Yes! Certainly not the best. Definitely not top-3. Probably not even top-5. We're talking about a season in which Tom Brady and Brees both went 5000+ yards and Rodgers had a monster TD/INT rate 45/6.
Eli Manning....  
Gary JC : 9/20/2019 9:52 am : link
...is a 1st ballot HOFer. But, keep discussing it if it makes you feel better. Oh, and there's 5 QBs in the history of the league with multiple SB MVPs. Can you name them?
RE: RE: RE: RE: There is no comparison...  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/20/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14589281 AndyMilligan said:
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.


Yes, in 2011.


Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year. Link - ( New Window )


Yes! Certainly not the best. Definitely not top-3. Probably not even top-5. We're talking about a season in which Tom Brady and Brees both went 5000+ yards and Rodgers had a monster TD/INT rate 45/6.


Just relying on stats is not the best of measure imo. So many do it but it really does not paint the complete picture.
RE: If another future HOF didn't push Favre out of Green Bay  
Diver_Down : 9/20/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14589268 Jimmy Googs said:
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maybe his accomplishments would have even been better.

Of course, please keep in mind Rodgers hasn't thrown for the magical 50,000 yard mark as of yet so this is all conjecture...

:-)


You know, you really are an insufferable douchebag.
RE: Eli Manning....  
AndyMilligan : 9/20/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14589282 Gary JC said:
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...is a 1st ballot HOFer. But, keep discussing it if it makes you feel better. Oh, and there's 5 QBs in the history of the league with multiple SB MVPs. Can you name them?

No he's not. I love Eli but pretending he's something that he's not doesn't do it for me. I bet he makes the Hall eventually, but it could be a close call.
Eli Will Get In  
lax counsel : 9/20/2019 9:59 am : link
But Farve was light years better, in most years he was one of the top handful of players - not just qbs- in the league. Other than the gunslinger mentality, there really isn't a comparison between the two.
RE: Really?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14589256 DeepBlueJint said:
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TDs to Interceptions are both around 1.5
Pass Rating similar
Completion % similar
Fumbles? Lost? Gripe all you want about Eli's fumbles but Favre was no better.

IMHO, the big difference is the team around these two QBs.


It isn't.
RE: RE: If another future HOF didn't push Favre out of Green Bay  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14589293 Diver_Down said:
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maybe his accomplishments would have even been better.

Of course, please keep in mind Rodgers hasn't thrown for the magical 50,000 yard mark as of yet so this is all conjecture...

:-)




You know, you really are an insufferable douchebag.


I put the smiley...
Eli gets into HOF  
George from PA : 9/20/2019 10:05 am : link
He was 1st QB to lead a last minute TD must drive in a Super Bowl.

18-1

He is a Mannng

2 MVP Super Bowl

2 plays in Super Bowl that are considered "best" ever

Does not have a losing record.

Winning playoff record
Manning is getting into the HOF  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 10:06 am : link
might not be a first ballot. But he will get in.

And no, he's not better than Favre.
This can't be a serious comparison  
Bockman : 9/20/2019 10:07 am : link
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I really don't think...  
bw in dc : 9/20/2019 10:07 am : link
there is a comp for Eli. His career is that unusual.

Warner's career was also unusual. And I think is HoF consideration was also very debatable. He had some great playoff runs. Had a few great regular seasons. But he has a huge doughnut hole in the middle of his career. Not the same career arc as Eli's but a very strange journey...
If you did this 5/6 years ago  
UConn4523 : 9/20/2019 10:13 am : link
I would have said that Eli would be more comparable, but these last 5/6 years have been really rough for Eli. He's still a HoFer as a lot of it (atleast the first few of those years) aren't really his fault, but he was never Favre.

Peak Favre was a dominant player. Peak playoff Eli is up there with anyone i've seen in those situations, so he's played like it before, but never over a several season timespan.
and what I mean by 5/6 years ago  
UConn4523 : 9/20/2019 10:14 am : link
I mean that I didn't really anticipate or expect our franchise to basically crumble right before our eyes in regards to management.
RE: I really don't think...  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14589326 bw in dc said:
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there is a comp for Eli. His career is that unusual.

Warner's career was also unusual. And I think is HoF consideration was also very debatable. He had some great playoff runs. Had a few great regular seasons. But he has a huge doughnut hole in the middle of his career. Not the same career arc as Eli's but a very strange journey...


Right? Eli is the only guy in sports I can remember that gets shit on for being clutch. Probably because his play outside the 4th and playoffs is just above mediocre.
Talent around QB's matter  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/20/2019 10:19 am : link
Warner
-first few years a HOF left tackle, the best weapons in the game. Trent Green was ready to rock and roll in that offense but blew out his knee. Then Warner's got hurt some, his team around him got worse and so did his performance.

-Goes to Arizona, Head Coach with great offensive system, very good OL and Fitzgerald and Boldin and he takes off again.

Favre did have excellent talent just about every season. Even with the Jets and Vikings.

You could do the same drill with many other QB's and coaches as well but for some reason for Eli this is mostly ignored by many.

RE: RE: I really don't think...  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14589347 Zeke's Alibi said:
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there is a comp for Eli. His career is that unusual.

Warner's career was also unusual. And I think is HoF consideration was also very debatable. He had some great playoff runs. Had a few great regular seasons. But he has a huge doughnut hole in the middle of his career. Not the same career arc as Eli's but a very strange journey...



Right? Eli is the only guy in sports I can remember that gets shit on for being clutch. Probably because his play outside the 4th and playoffs is just above mediocre.


Eli came up big in two seasons. No one is taking that away from him. Want to call it being clutch? Okay, in those spots he did.

But he also came up short in other situations. So he wasn't clutch then. Or am I wrong?
Eli Can't Beat Favre On His Best Day?  
DeepBlueJint : 9/20/2019 10:34 am : link
Really? 2007 NFC Championship in an ice bowl in Green Bay!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: There is no comparison...  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14589291 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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There were a few years where Farve was undeniably the best QB in the league and several where he was in the conversation.

Would you EVER argue that Eli was the best QB in the league?

That isnt a shot at Eli - but if you want to be taken seriously regarding his HoF candidacy you need to make realistic arguments.


Yes, in 2011.


Just because Eli had his best year in 2011 doesn't make him the best QB in the league that season. He wasn't even really top 3 that year. Link - ( New Window )


Yes! Certainly not the best. Definitely not top-3. Probably not even top-5. We're talking about a season in which Tom Brady and Brees both went 5000+ yards and Rodgers had a monster TD/INT rate 45/6.



Just relying on stats is not the best of measure imo. So many do it but it really does not paint the complete picture.

Exactly. He carried that team down the stretch and had one of the best playoff runs of any QB I have ever seen, ending with a Super Bowl MVP.
Eli vs Farve  
Montana_Giant : 9/20/2019 10:42 am : link
Funny how Eli is a cold blooded assassin in the biggest games. Farve not so much.
The big difference  
Les in TO : 9/20/2019 10:42 am : link
Is regular season record 186-112 vs 116-116. Football is a team game but a QB is the most important single player in determining a teams success
RE: Eli vs Farve  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/20/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14589415 Montana_Giant said:
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Funny how Eli is a cold blooded assassin in the biggest games. Farve not so much.


Favre was just a kid having fun like on the playground when he made boneheaded mistakes.

Eli when he did it was because he was overrated.
RE: Eli vs Farve  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14589415 Montana_Giant said:
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Funny how Eli is a cold blooded assassin in the biggest games. Farve not so much.


I'm sorry but I can't help myself. Eli showed in 2 playoffs runs out of 16 years he can be this "cold blooded assassin"? How many times did we need him to come up big in the regular season to get a crack at the playoffs? How many times did our offense completely no show? How many times did he throw a game ending pick? Were those not big moments?

LT56 - He has a ton of 4th quarter combacks and wins and  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 10:45 am : link
his 4th quarter numbers are tremendous. I'd call that clutch. He often puts the team in bad spots in the first 3 quarters, but the guy gets it done when the game is on the line. Don't let the last two years cloud your judgement on this.
RE: Eli gets into HOF  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14589318 George from PA said:
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He was 1st QB to lead a last minute TD must drive in a Super Bowl. No he wasn't. Remember Montana to Taylor with 39 seconds left to take the lead over the Bengals in SB XXIII?

18-1 That's not Eli's record.

He is a Mannng No offense, but this is the dumbest reason on your list and that includes the ones that aren't accurate.

2 MVP Super Bowl

2 plays in Super Bowl that are considered "best" ever

Does not have a losing record. Wow, talk about faint praise. There's no way that "does not have a losing record" is a winning bulletpoint on a HOF resume.

Winning playoff record

Comments embedded. Honestly, I can't tell if you're sincerely trying to make the case for Eli to be a HOFer. I think he is, although not a first-ballot HOFer, but your list is the opposite of compelling.
RE: Eli vs Farve  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14589415 Montana_Giant said:
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Funny how Eli is a cold blooded assassin in the biggest games. Farve not so much.

Looks like you're new, so hopefully this doesn't come across the wrong way, but pick a new handle. There's a longstanding member here with almost the same name.
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