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I'm super excited for Sunday, as excited I've been in years.

Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:04 am
It kind of feels like a brand new season now, and hopefully, it can re-unite Giants fans that have been split for a couple of years on Manning, the direction of the organization, etc... This is something we can all get on together and be excited for. We're watching this really young team from the ground up, hopefully coming together and playing some good, competitive football. Something we haven't really seen in years.

I'm not putting this all Daniel Jones back, but I guess I'm more feeling like that the last era is now TRULY over, and Sunday begins a brand new one. Coughlin and Eli now belong to the annals of Giants history, and Barkley and Jones are hopefully going to make their own. For the first time in 16 years, this truly feels like a new beginning, and I'm excited.

Going all out to watch on Sunday, setting up the projector out in the garage, 100 inch screen, the works, rather than just going through the motions like I've been doing for a while.
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RE: That's interesting OP  
BigBlueShock : 9/22/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.

Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable
RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14591164 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:


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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable


Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.
Getting pumped up  
ron mexico : 9/22/2019 10:50 am : link
Gonna be a long 5 tours til kickoff
RE: RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14591219 weaverpsu said:
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In comment 14591164 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:


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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable



Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.


I understand the sentiment, but I just want to say... If Jones comes in and we win, it won't necessarily mean Jones is better. We just needed to shake things up.

Eli wasn't the problem with this team. His style was ineffective and not a difference maker. The offense no longer suited him.

This isn't on Eli by a longshot. It's just time, unfortunately.
RE: That's interesting OP  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


What a strange take... to care more about the general perception of Eli Manning than the Giants winning a game in Week 3.
Manning is at the point in his career where he needs....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 10:58 am : link
to be on a solid team that can maximize his talents.

Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.

In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 11:03 am : link
I've posted my take on Eli several times over, and obviously do not think this is his fault - rather, a lot of blame should be placed at the feet of the organization for failing him for so long.

That said, I became a Giants fan before I even knew Eli existed. He's not the reason I root for this team. I'm not rooting for fucking spite losses now that they've decided to play Jones. I thought Eli would get a little more time than this, but we're not winning games and don't look all that close to winning them right now, so it's hard to argue with the change.

I'll be damned if I root against Daniel or the team today out of some over the top attachment to Eli and valuing him over the entire franchise. That's insane to me.

And I think it's well known enough around here that I've had Eli's back all the way through. It's just time... the time comes for everyone.
RE: That's interesting OP  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Well it a shame you're not on board. Are you going to take up golf, gardening or something else to do on sundays?

I do see Jones playing well overall today and that is the good news  
guineaT : 9/22/2019 11:05 am : link
I doubt we win the game. Three things holding us back. Defense isn't ready yet. Shurmur's refusal to commit to Saquon. The receivers, Shep and possibly Slayton are the only ones that belong in a starting lineup.
RE: Manning is at the point in his career where he needs....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14591238 Britt in VA said:
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to be on a solid team that can maximize his talents.

Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.

In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.


a bit dramatic, but not unexpected...
Yeah, I think it goes without saying that I've supported Manning....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:08 am : link
more than anybody else on this site. Over the top even. He goes out with a .500 record, and I think we'll look back on this as a gift. He doesn't deserve to go out with a losing record, that's not indicative of who he is or was to this team, even though he's a captain willing to go down with the ship record be damned. He always put the Giants above himself, I'm certain of it.

As I said earlier in this thread... I am, was, and will always be a Giants fan.
What's dramatic about it?  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:10 am : link
Not that I want to argue, but seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Are you sure you are going to be okay today?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:13 am : link
Its a tough page to turn for some of you all, but the Giants have actually had other QBs not-named Eli win games for them in the past and they will in the future.

hopefully soon...
RE: Yeah, I think it goes without saying that I've supported Manning....  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14591259 Britt in VA said:
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more than anybody else on this site.


You may hold the title now, but that's only because Dep was banned. lol
Why are you being a dick?  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:15 am : link
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I am aware  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 11:15 am : link
That my sentiment is strange. I'm just very sore right now with how everything went down. 2 games? You gave Eli 2 games? Anyways... I'm just not looking forward to everyone saying I told you so if the Giants win this game today. I'm sure I'll be rooting for Mr. Jones. I'm the same age as Eli and there will never be another QB that I sort of "grow up" with. Putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses and I think Shurmur is trying to save his job at this point. I won't comment anymore. Enjoy the game everyone!
That was to Googs, not LT.  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:15 am : link
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RE: What's dramatic about it?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14591267 Britt in VA said:
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Not that I want to argue, but seems pretty cut and dried to me.


I don't either but you sound like a eulogy...
RE: That's interesting OP  
Ryan in Albany : 9/22/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


What a weird Giants fan.
RE: I am aware  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14591276 weaverpsu said:
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That my sentiment is strange. I'm just very sore right now with how everything went down. 2 games? You gave Eli 2 games? Anyways... I'm just not looking forward to everyone saying I told you so if the Giants win this game today. I'm sure I'll be rooting for Mr. Jones. I'm the same age as Eli and there will never be another QB that I sort of "grow up" with. Putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses and I think Shurmur is trying to save his job at this point. I won't comment anymore. Enjoy the game everyone!


2 games? Have you missed the last few seasons or what?
RE: I am aware  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14591276 weaverpsu said:
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That my sentiment is strange. I'm just very sore right now with how everything went down. 2 games? You gave Eli 2 games? Anyways... I'm just not looking forward to everyone saying I told you so if the Giants win this game today. I'm sure I'll be rooting for Mr. Jones. I'm the same age as Eli and there will never be another QB that I sort of "grow up" with. Putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses and I think Shurmur is trying to save his job at this point. I won't comment anymore. Enjoy the game everyone!


You lose me when you say putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses.

That's exactly what it's about.

All we've been doing with Eli is losing.
At the very least, it gives DJ 14 games (barring injury)  
micky : 9/22/2019 11:27 am : link
to have a template to work with going into the off season. Better sample than say, 3 or 4 game, to work with and develop.

Who knows where he is 3 years or so? May turn into a franchise qb (fingers crossed) or just doesn't cut it. But if he really falls flat these 14 games (highly doubt) it gives this franchise on a true hit at a good qb next draft. But, i'm booking on this kid being the face of the franchise (along with Barkley) for the foreseeable future.
I wasn't too optimistic about this season  
Jersey55 : 9/22/2019 11:44 am : link
but now with the QB change things will have a different look from the old same ole same ole...
Way too much thinking based on preseason games  
HomerJones45 : 9/22/2019 11:51 am : link
And there has been expectation inflation. Jones is a giant ?. NFL draft profiles rated him "chance to become NFL starter." Gettlemen chose him with the 6th pick. We'll see over the next few weeks who was right.

Maybe his presence will cause the receivers to find some speed and talent. Maybe his mere nomination as starter will cause the defense to look competitive. Maybe having named Jones starter, Pat Shurmur will finally find the key to being an average NFL HC, a key that has so far eluded him in multiple assignments.

I have my doubts. The receivers still blow. The offense is still one predicated almost exclusively on fakes and misdirection and is a sitting duck against speedy or well trained defenses who recover or don't fall for the fakes and misdirection and the defense is slow and often confused. None of that is going to change because Jones is out there.

I don't want to hear a fucking thing out of Jawn. He's a nice man of good intentions and piss poor, comically bad judgment.
Britt, I’ve been scratching my head in bewilderment  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:01 pm : link
over the excite by some re Jones our starting QB.

How can fans, who hated Jones as a QB in VIRTUALLY any round or who were royally pissed when he was taken at 6, be excited about him playing?

After all, they KNOW he sucks. Shouldn’t they be feeling trepidation over excitement? We know for certain that their minds were not changed over a vanilla pre-season, because at best, he’ll be an average QB with certainly no chance to wear the franchise label.

So what’s with their excitement with all that they know about this Dave Brown equivalent?

Help me out here, bud..😎

excite by some=excitement by some  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:02 pm : link
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Maybe their other thoughts came out to soon and were  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 12:06 pm : link
irrational. Or maybe they were just disappointed in the selection as they wanted something else for the team they really like because they are fans.

Or maybe you are just exaggerating for effect.

one or some of those...
RE: Britt, I’ve been scratching my head in bewilderment  
Enzo : 9/22/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14591332 Big Blue '56 said:
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over the excite by some re Jones our starting QB.

How can fans, who hated Jones as a QB in VIRTUALLY any round or who were royally pissed when he was taken at 6, be excited about him playing?

After all, they KNOW he sucks. Shouldn’t they be feeling trepidation over excitement? We know for certain that their minds were not changed over a vanilla pre-season, because at best, he’ll be an average QB with certainly no chance to wear the franchise label.

So what’s with their excitement with all that they know about this Dave Brown equivalent?

Help me out here, bud..😎

I'm impressed that you manage to keep track of all these bullshit narratives flying through your head at the same time.
Nope. They were perfectly clear as  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:13 pm : link
was the media. Jones sucks and will never be a franchise player. DG screwed up royally by not taking the much better prospect, Josh Allen at 6.

RE: RE: Britt, I’ve been scratching my head in bewilderment  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14591346 Enzo said:
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In comment 14591332 Big Blue '56 said:


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over the excite by some re Jones our starting QB.

How can fans, who hated Jones as a QB in VIRTUALLY any round or who were royally pissed when he was taken at 6, be excited about him playing?

After all, they KNOW he sucks. Shouldn’t they be feeling trepidation over excitement? We know for certain that their minds were not changed over a vanilla pre-season, because at best, he’ll be an average QB with certainly no chance to wear the franchise label.

So what’s with their excitement with all that they know about this Dave Brown equivalent?

Help me out here, bud..😎



I'm impressed that you manage to keep track of all these bullshit narratives flying through your head at the same time.


Two things: One, they are accurate as hell and two, I was born and raised in the Bronx, we keep all bullshit in our heads
RE: Nope. They were perfectly clear as  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14591347 Big Blue '56 said:
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was the media. Jones sucks and will never be a franchise player. DG screwed up royally by not taking the much better prospect, Josh Allen at 6.


Hopefully not, but maybe Jones will never be a franchise player and DG did screw up. Those opinions, albeit coming way too soon, are typical of fans for any team. And now its game time and they are excited to see Jones give it a go.

Where are you going with this?

Enzo, the post was made facetiously,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:21 pm : link
but in all seriousness, if I was one of the Jones “haters” (re ability) before and just after the draft, I would be far from excited today. I’d be shitting a brick for today and moving forward....

😊😊
Well maybe what Jones showed in spring and summer  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 12:25 pm : link
turned a bunch of early doubters. Or maybe they saw Eli play again and realized the team needed a change no matter what.

Or maybe they realized they are fans of the Giants, and will root for them no matter what.

Good luck to DJ and the rest of the team this afternoon...

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Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14591356 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14591347 Big Blue '56 said:


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was the media. Jones sucks and will never be a franchise player. DG screwed up royally by not taking the much better prospect, Josh Allen at 6.




Hopefully not, but maybe Jones will never be a franchise player and DG did screw up. Those opinions, albeit coming way too soon, are typical of fans for any team. And now its game time and they are excited to see Jones give it a go.

Where are you going with this?


Where I’m going with this? We ALL realize he may not be a franchise player and ultimately, it will be proven whether DG screwed up or not. That’s the mindset of many of us..We know there’s a possibility of failure..

That is in direct contrast to those who stated emphatically that Jones was crap and it was a huge mistake to take him at 6 (or anywhere else in round one) with zero possibility that they can be wrong.

A huge difference..So again, explain to me where the excitement in lieu of trepidation is coming from with these know it alls?
So everybody on this thread above that expressed some  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 1:01 pm : link
excitement for Jones today, also stated emphatically at an earlier date that "Jones was crap and it was a huge mistake to take him at 6 (or anywhere else in round one) with zero possibility that they can be wrong"?

Same people, some of the same people, none of the same people...which is it?

You're calling out a bunch of know-it-alls for the obvious fact they don't know it all...why?
Don’t be obtuse.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 1:05 pm : link
The same people and you know that. Who else would I be referencing.
Why am I calling them out?  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 1:08 pm : link
Simple. They tortured us for months with posts claiming Jones was “garbage” and he would never amount to anything.

No room for error in their minds. So once again, why are they excited over garbage.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?
I'm not being obtuse. When I quickly scan the posters  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 1:13 pm : link
above it seem like majority are excited for Jones, others are excited for any change to this team, and some others have said he probably doesnt make a difference.

Seems fairly harmless and pretty expected.

Who are the ones that you are calling out that indicated Jones was an absolute mistake and they couldn't be wrong, but yet are excited?
Bittersweet day for me  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/22/2019 1:14 pm : link
Very excited to see the Jones era begin. Sad to see the Manning era end.
RE: Why am I calling them out?  
Gmanfandan : 9/22/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14591396 Big Blue '56 said:
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Simple. They tortured us for months with posts claiming Jones was “garbage” and he would never amount to anything.

No room for error in their minds. So once again, why are they excited over garbage.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?


Pretty sure most that were unhappy with the pick (which I include myself) felt leaving Josh Allen on the board was the mistake - Even knowing Jones may not (would not) be there at 17 - that a game changing LB would help more than Eli's replacement (who was/is needed)

That being said I am excited to see what we have in Jones and hope he's the second coming of Dan Marino (rookie who blasts off) and that we beat TB
I am excited to see Jones  
Mike in Boston : 9/22/2019 1:50 pm : link
but fearful because of the way this has gone out. Had they started Jones week one I would imagine there would be some energy from the coach showing confidence in the young guys.

As they did it, however, they are starting the new QB missing most of the WR, against a very tough D, and in a way that makes it look like the coach has lost confidence in the team and is running an 18 game preseason for next year.

I hope I am wrong, but this looks like the team will give up before week 5.

RE: I am excited to see Jones  
ron mexico : 9/22/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14591416 Mike in Boston said:
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but fearful because of the way this has gone out. Had they started Jones week one I would imagine there would be some energy from the coach showing confidence in the young guys.

As they did it, however, they are starting the new QB missing most of the WR, against a very tough D, and in a way that makes it look like the coach has lost confidence in the team and is running an 18 game preseason for next year.

I hope I am wrong, but this looks like the team will give up before week 5.


I really don’t think this is or will be the case.

I’ll bet most of the locker room is happy with the switch.
RE: That's interesting OP  
BigBlueShock : 9/22/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.

How ya feelin there, kiddo? Should we send someone over to check on you?
RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/22/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14594388 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:


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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


How ya feelin there, kiddo? Should we send someone over to check on you?


Lol
anybody else excited or are we still miserable?  
Britt in VA : 9/23/2019 3:28 am : link
?
...  
ChaChing : 9/23/2019 3:35 am : link
Pollyanna was right...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/23/2019 6:39 am : link
...love wins!
They are still miserable  
ZogZerg : 9/23/2019 6:48 am : link
..
You know  
Jimmy Googs : 9/23/2019 6:58 am : link
maybe he wouldn’t have lasted until 17...
RE: You know  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/23/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14594869 Jimmy Googs said:
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maybe he wouldn’t have lasted until 17...


Googs you've been on point through many posts on this thread. Fiddy, you are throwing darts at a straw man here big time.

As one of the guys dead set against the selection of Jones sixth overall, based on my own review of his game tape far more than pundits' opinions, but also based on numerous comments by FMIC (who saw Jones look bad live at Duke) or other knowledgeable regulars who didn't like aspects of Jones' game, I have had no issue with "flip flopping" on him for all the reasons Googs cited.

Amusing thread, especially in light of Jones's great 1st real game - which damn well mirrored or followed up his excellent pre-season performances.

If you (anyone) don't notice the team rallying around him and/or responding to him, there's no hope for you.

Give Shurmer credit on many fronts. He spoke succinctly about the significance of having a QB who can extend plays; that was blatantly evident yesterday against a very tough and very agressive Bucs' defense.
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