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I'm super excited for Sunday, as excited I've been in years.

Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:04 am
It kind of feels like a brand new season now, and hopefully, it can re-unite Giants fans that have been split for a couple of years on Manning, the direction of the organization, etc... This is something we can all get on together and be excited for. We're watching this really young team from the ground up, hopefully coming together and playing some good, competitive football. Something we haven't really seen in years.

I'm not putting this all Daniel Jones back, but I guess I'm more feeling like that the last era is now TRULY over, and Sunday begins a brand new one. Coughlin and Eli now belong to the annals of Giants history, and Barkley and Jones are hopefully going to make their own. For the first time in 16 years, this truly feels like a new beginning, and I'm excited.

Going all out to watch on Sunday, setting up the projector out in the garage, 100 inch screen, the works, rather than just going through the motions like I've been doing for a while.
Here here Britt...  
JCin332 : 9/20/2019 10:07 am : link
Very well said!
as someone who has argued with you,  
bigbluehoya : 9/20/2019 10:07 am : link
sometimes relentlessly, on the Eli topic(s) -- Agreed and Cheers!
Was just talking  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2019 10:08 am : link
to a friend about this today. It has felt like this organization has been stuck in a rut for my past few years. This weekend's game finally feels like the beginning of a new chapter and I'm excited to see where it leads. Hoping to see a different type of offense (now that we have a somewhat mobile QB) and hoping to see DJ play well.
Yep  
crick n NC : 9/20/2019 10:08 am : link
A stale season just go refreshed. I'm rooting just as hard for Jones as I was for Manning. Jones and Barkley could give us some good football to watch for a while. I'm sure a play making we will be in store for the off-season. I also am optimistic that Gettleman will keep the OL as a top priority.

Hopefully back to winning football with another guy at QB who you can't help but root for.
I've missed the buzz that comes with anticipation of Sundays....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:09 am : link
like a big game, or something really unknown to be excited about. It's slowly been building this week and now it's all I can really think about at work, just getting out of here and to Sunday.
Game is actually on in Atlanta!  
Steve in ATL : 9/20/2019 10:09 am : link
Surprised and excited to see his first game.
RE: Was just talking  
crick n NC : 9/20/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14589327 Josh in the City said:
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to a friend about this today. It has felt like this organization has been stuck in a rut for my past few years. This weekend's game finally feels like the beginning of a new chapter and I'm excited to see where it leads. Hoping to see a different type of offense (now that we have a somewhat mobile QB) and hoping to see DJ play well.


For all of the people that give you shit hopefully they will remember this take.

👍
RE: Yep  
crick n NC : 9/20/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14589328 crick n NC said:
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A stale season just go refreshed. I'm rooting just as hard for Jones as I was for Manning. Jones and Barkley could give us some good football to watch for a while. I'm sure a play making we will be in store for the off-season. I also am optimistic that Gettleman will keep the OL as a top priority.

Hopefully back to winning football with another guy at QB who you can't help but root for.


Play making WR.
I was lamenting week 1 I have never been less enthused to  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 10:11 am : link
start a season. This actually feels like week 1 usually does for me.
It does have a week one feel to it now.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:11 am : link
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arcarsenal : 9/20/2019 10:14 am : link
I do feel a newfound sense of excitement for this game and season now.

Even if we don't win a lot the rest of the way, watching Daniel play and develop will be really interesting to watch and follow each week. I can't believe it's been 15 years since the last time we've been in this boat... we've been blessed.

But now, a new chapter is beginning.

Can't wait for Sunday. I actually think we'll win the game.
I echo this completely.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/20/2019 10:14 am : link
It's a new start. Is Jones going to suck? Is he going to be good? Well, we're about to start out on that journey. I'm crossing my fingers & hoping for the best. Time will tell. But it is a new chapter & we'll see what comes of it.
Yep, new start  
Sec 103 : 9/20/2019 10:15 am : link
Same ol' defense...
Great post and I share these feelings...  
Chris684 : 9/20/2019 10:15 am : link
Time to start over.

Here's to a bright future.
RE: Yep, new start  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14589348 Sec 103 said:
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Same ol' defense...


They're really young, we just have to hope that they get it together just like we hope Daniel Jones will come in and get better every week.
Sunday will be like Christmas morning  
johnnyb : 9/20/2019 10:18 am : link
when you get a gift from your Aunt and you will either love it or hate it....just not sure what you are going to get, but a lot of excitement leading up to it.
DJ8 looked waaaaay better than Eli rookie year  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/20/2019 10:20 am : link
Definitely a less difficult offense than Gilbride.
RE: Yep, new start  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14589348 Sec 103 said:
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Same ol' defense...

Defense should continue improve as the season progresses. We have an extremely young group and hopefully they play better as they get more comfortable with the system and each other. And no question Bettcher needs to show us improvement throughout the course of this season if he wants to keep his job.
RE: RE: Yep, new start  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14589361 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14589348 Sec 103 said:


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Same ol' defense...


Defense should continue improve as the season progresses. We have an extremely young group and hopefully they play better as they get more comfortable with the system and each other. And no question Bettcher needs to show us improvement throughout the course of this season if he wants to keep his job.


I just want to see the team come together, start to show confidence, play fast, and grow. If that gets us to 7 or 8 wins on the back end and we see those things, I think that would be a really successful season.
Yes, lately watching Giants games has felt like a chore  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2019 10:24 am : link
so it's nice to have something to look forward to. It'd be nice to get a W and look forward to a home game against the Skins next week.
Right on!  
GiantsUA : 9/20/2019 10:25 am : link
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I see a parallel with Bettcher  
Jay in Toronto : 9/20/2019 10:27 am : link
We hope for better results with more of 'his' guys.

Hope for better now that Shurmur has his kind of QB
I hope  
cjac : 9/20/2019 10:27 am : link
its not socks
you know what else i'm looking forward to  
cjac : 9/20/2019 10:28 am : link
Darius Slayton, hope he makes some plays
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arcarsenal : 9/20/2019 10:28 am : link
I'm not sure if this is reality or if it's just my perception - but it seems to me that it's much easier for a rookie/young QB to step in and immediately have an impact now as opposed to the league's landscape when Eli was a rookie.

Even 15 years ago, it felt like it was kind of universally accepted that either the QB sits for a year (or more) or if he plays immediately, he's going to make a ton of mistakes and look really bad at times (i.e.. Eli @ Baltimore) or will be asked to do very little (like Ben when he was a rookie). It was like there was the built in expectation that you weren't going to win games with a rookie QB.

But it's different now. Guys are making immediate impacts. We saw Watson do it in Houston a couple years ago. Kyler Murray has already flashed a bit in Arizona. Minshew is playing well for the Jags... Mahomes lit the league on fire immediately when he became the starter in KC.

I definitely think you have to expect mistakes and growing pains with Daniel - but I also don't think he's going to struggle nearly as much as Eli did in the earlier parts of his career.

The rule changes and way the league has trended have definitely favored offense and passing - so, it's not really surprising this would be the case (or seem to be) - but I guess my point is, I won't be surprised at all if Jones plays relatively well right away. I expect head scratching reads and mistakes here and there... but I think we can win this game on Sunday and I actually believe we will.
+1  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 10:28 am : link
Britt - well said.

I wore my NYG tie to work today with great pride.

It's exciting to root and watch NYG football again.

I agree  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/20/2019 10:29 am : link
Well said Britt! After two weeks of bad losses, I told my wife Sunday afternoons had opened back up for whatever she wanted to do 😂. I now canít wait for Sunday at 4:00. Itís like a new season. I have no idea what to expect but am excited to see how DJ performs!

I continue to think back to Eliís rookie season and how necessary those 7 games bad games were for his maturation. In fact Iím proud to have been present in that last game of the 04 season when he notched his first victory against Dallas. By the 05 season he looked light years better.
It absolutely has gotten easier to come in and play....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:30 am : link
The NFL has changed, for better or worse. The spread offense and RPO's and everything else have accelerated the process significantly.

I myself have found myself digging in my heels on the old ways, but it's pretty clear that the offenses have evolved massively.

As another poster said, this won't be nearly as complicated as that Coughlin/Gilbride offense. I'm hoping it will be way more QB friendly.
This is the most excited I've been going into a game  
Jay on the Island : 9/20/2019 10:32 am : link
in a long time. I expect the rest of the team to step up to support their new QB. I also expect the offensive line to have an outstanding game.

Barkley will receive a season high in touches this week and I am expecting a win.
I completely agree.  
Section331 : 9/20/2019 10:35 am : link
It's a new era, it would be crazy not to be excited about it. I don't think I've looked forward to a Giant game this much since the playoff game in GB.
Well said Bro...  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2019 10:36 am : link
... I agree.
I feel like it could just be confirmation that we are in QB hell  
bradshaw44 : 9/20/2019 10:48 am : link
for certain if it doesn't work out. Hoping like hell we have our Favre to Rodgers moment come Sunday and the rest of this season. Fingers crossed.
Just elated it starts here in Florida  
RDJR : 9/20/2019 11:18 am : link
so myself and my family can be there for DJís first start. Feel real lucky.
RE: It absolutely has gotten easier to come in and play....  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/20/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14589389 Britt in VA said:
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The NFL has changed, for better or worse. The spread offense and RPO's and everything else have accelerated the process significantly.

I myself have found myself digging in my heels on the old ways, but it's pretty clear that the offenses have evolved massively.

As another poster said, this won't be nearly as complicated as that Coughlin/Gilbride offense. I'm hoping it will be way more QB friendly.


I'm glad you've finally come around on this. I've been saying it for the past couple years, but Eli's game just hasn't aged well for what the NFL is looking for. If you can't move, you need to be pinpoint accurate in the short game to maximize YAC. Not exactly his strength.

Moving forward to DJ, he just seems like a perfect fit for what the NFL is looking to do. I"m super excited. Glad he got his first reps out of the way in Dallas.
Go Giants...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/20/2019 11:39 am : link
Ö!
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christian : 9/20/2019 11:44 am : link
I agree. I haven't been excited for a Giants game since the playoff loss to Green Bay. And that went from pumped to sucked by half time.
Agree. Must watch game  
Oscar : 9/20/2019 11:46 am : link
Fair to say this is the most excited Iíve been since the playoff game against the Packers. Been a mostly brutal decade, letís hope this is the start of a better era.
I hate to say it, I wasn't even this excited for the playoff game vs.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 11:49 am : link
the Packers. I felt from the moment the matchup was solidified the week before we were outgunned. We were well into our stretch of not scoring 20 points (six games in at least I think) and I knew that wasn't going to be enough.
Me too very excited  
joeinpa : 9/20/2019 11:52 am : link
Was why I ve been hoping for young quarterback last two drafts.

Also good for Britt. There isnít a bigger Eli fan on this board
I am, was, and have always been a Giants fan.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 11:55 am : link
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Danny Kanell : 9/20/2019 11:57 am : link
Good post Britt. I agree.
If Jones is the quarterback in four years I'll be surprised  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 11:57 am : link
Nothing against him, but I'm expecting another year down and rebuild after 2020, and that GM/HC is probably going to want their own QB.

Don't use the Eli experience as a template for Jones. Eli's career was highly unusual, and the league looks very different today.
*tear down  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 11:58 am : link
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RE: If Jones is the quarterback in four years I'll be surprised  
Danny Kanell : 9/20/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14589554 Go Terps said:
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Nothing against him, but I'm expecting another year down and rebuild after 2020, and that GM/HC is probably going to want their own QB.

Don't use the Eli experience as a template for Jones. Eli's career was highly unusual, and the league looks very different today.


Man Iím not saying youíre wrong but you are one negative dude. Your break from BBI certainly didnít do you any good.
Yup  
Les in TO : 9/20/2019 12:02 pm : link
Hopefully a new beginning. Jones is a rookie and heís going to make mistakes but he has a decent line and a talented running back so letís see what he can do
Completely agree.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2019 12:02 pm : link
Onward and upward.
RE: RE: If Jones is the quarterback in four years I'll be surprised  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14589556 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14589554 Go Terps said:


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Nothing against him, but I'm expecting another year down and rebuild after 2020, and that GM/HC is probably going to want their own QB.

Don't use the Eli experience as a template for Jones. Eli's career was highly unusual, and the league looks very different today.



Man Iím not saying youíre wrong but you are one negative dude. Your break from BBI certainly didnít do you any good.


That's not negativity, it's reality.

Eli Manning wasn't the problem with this team. Nothing got solved this week.
RE: RE: RE: If Jones is the quarterback in four years I'll be surprised  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14589570 Go Terps said:
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That's not negativity, it's reality.


Uh oh, now you've done it. The pollyanna brigade is going to swarm.
It looks like the Wet Blanket Brigade  
ZogZerg : 9/20/2019 12:06 pm : link
is already swarming....
Pollyanna...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
...here!

No issue with Terps.
I think you lie was given the opportunity to win... But that winning was not going to come from his performance exclusively.

The team struggled out of the gate and the coach clearly felt like that the opportunity to win with or without Eli was not going to present itself.

I think the defense will eventually be fine.
I don't expect this team to win a championship this year...
... But there's absolutely 0 reason to temper my enthusiasm for this football team.
RE: RE: If Jones is the quarterback in four years I'll be surprised  
jcn56 : 9/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14589556 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14589554 Go Terps said:


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Nothing against him, but I'm expecting another year down and rebuild after 2020, and that GM/HC is probably going to want their own QB.

Don't use the Eli experience as a template for Jones. Eli's career was highly unusual, and the league looks very different today.



Man Iím not saying youíre wrong but you are one negative dude. Your break from BBI certainly didnít do you any good.


I don't think Terps has been overly negative. He's been realistic.

It's nice to be hopeful - and I'm certainly hoping that Jones can be a good one - but the organization's moves the past few years have offered little reason to be positive that they've made a good decision in Jones.
Greg  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 12:13 pm : link
I'm reading a book on Cold War espionage called "The Moscow Rules". According to this book, one of the CIA operatives' key rules was "There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth."

The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?

Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.
Indeed  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 12:15 pm : link
People believe what they want to believe.
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Danny Kanell : 9/20/2019 12:18 pm : link
Like I said, I didnít even say I think youíre wrong. I just donít think it was needed on this thread. Posts donít have to be negative 100% of the time, especially in a light hearted thread.
RE: .  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14589606 Danny Kanell said:
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Like I said, I didnít even say I think youíre wrong. I just donít think it was needed on this thread. Posts donít have to be negative 100% of the time, especially in a light hearted thread.


You started a good thread the other day stating that it was time for fans to do their job and call for the QB change.

Is more delusion really what this fan base needs? Personally as a fan I'm a little offended that the Giants think I'm stupid enough that I'll be distracted from this team's real problems simply because they changed the quarterback.
I hope DJ does not disappoint  
Batenhorst : 9/20/2019 12:29 pm : link
That would be crushing

Then again when Eli took over for Warner it was bad
real bad.

Much anticipation here.
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Danny Kanell : 9/20/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14589623 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14589606 Danny Kanell said:


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Like I said, I didnít even say I think youíre wrong. I just donít think it was needed on this thread. Posts donít have to be negative 100% of the time, especially in a light hearted thread.



You started a good thread the other day stating that it was time for fans to do their job and call for the QB change.

Is more delusion really what this fan base needs? Personally as a fan I'm a little offended that the Giants think I'm stupid enough that I'll be distracted from this team's real problems simply because they changed the quarterback.


Terps, you are I have similar views on the state of the franchise. At least with the head coach and owner. I think many if not most posting on this thread arenít being delusional. Theyíre just enjoying the fact there is finally a little bit of juice on Sunday and trying to conjure up a little hope.

I just donít think an ultra negative post was needed on this particular thread.
Terps...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/20/2019 12:33 pm : link
... I'm also reading a book.
"The Tao of Pooh"

Is nothing delusional about enjoying football.
There's nothing delusional about finding the good in what many might consider a bad situation.

In fact when everybody can see that there is a problem and someone continues to point out that there's a problem...
... They become part of the problem.

So someone inability to enjoy what's going on right now is on them...
... Not on the team.

I wouldn't blame any Giant fan for resorting to Taoism at this point  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 12:38 pm : link
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RE: Greg  
BrettNYG10 : 9/20/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14589592 Go Terps said:
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I'm reading a book on Cold War espionage called "The Moscow Rules". According to this book, one of the CIA operatives' key rules was "There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth."

The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?

Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.


Do you recommend the book?
I'm done going against Terps  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/20/2019 12:40 pm : link
he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.

I'm concerned fans are putting too much hope in this change  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2019 12:41 pm : link
Jones is a rookie starting his first game. It will be a learning experience, actually this whole year will be. It also doesn't fix the defense, r help with injuries. The team will not magically become a 10-6 team, even if it beats a lousy TB team. Frankly, IMO, I expect more of the same. This change to me is about Jones learning not much about winning immediately.
RE: RE: Greg  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14589645 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 14589592 Go Terps said:


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I'm reading a book on Cold War espionage called "The Moscow Rules". According to this book, one of the CIA operatives' key rules was "There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth."

The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?

Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.



Do you recommend the book?


I'm only a few chapters in, but so far it's really interesting if you're into the Cold War, spy tactics, and that sort if thing.
Terps  
cjac : 9/20/2019 12:49 pm : link
I have the exact opposite view

I think the Eli was a major issue, his inability to make a play brought the whole team down. You know how deflating it is to have a guy return a punt down to the 30 to have it intercepted 2 plays later?

i'm not saying Daniel Jones is going to turn the team around and they'll be 14-2, but i think you're going to see a different level of enthusiasm and energy across the board. Especially when he starts running for first downs when plays break down.

Its clear that Shurmur is making this move to save his job.
I share the concern about this franchise  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2019 12:52 pm : link
but there's really no downside to a 22-year-old QB showing promise as a rookie. It can only be a positive.
RE: I'm done going against Terps  
ron mexico : 9/20/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14589647 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.


Itís true, and he predicted Lamar Jackson success

Go against Terps at your own risk.
I'm both down on the Giants front office  
NoGainDayne : 9/20/2019 12:57 pm : link
and excited about DJ. His ball placement was excellent but he also had very good protection. I did like that throw after he got hit though.

I'll both be rooting hard for him and concerned that him being talented even if the team is still mediocre for a while it will allow bad processes to stay in place. Everyone is excited about the hope of a young QB but there is a lot of stink to cover up that a lot of people want to ignore even when it's pungent and surrounding us in a closed off room. I feel like everyone is waiting for like a little spritz of air freshener to say it's a great smelling room.
I'm excited and at the same time still feel  
Bluesbreaker : 9/20/2019 1:04 pm : link
a bit numb not having Eli in there but that will
wear off the minute the game starts just
hoping Jones has a solid game and takes care of the
football throwing a couple of Td's and a win will
suffice and shut up the haters of the 6th overall
pick .
Let me make sure I undersatnd  
arniefez : 9/20/2019 1:10 pm : link
Daniel Jones is going to cure everything that is wrong with the Giants organization. From ownership on down in the next 14 games regardless of their 2019 record so that in 2020 the Giants will challenge to win the NFC East. No wonder people are excited. Looking forward to it. Now I'm excited.
Everybody watches games in their own way, I guess.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 1:17 pm : link
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Really nice thread  
BBelle21 : 9/20/2019 1:17 pm : link
And agree with you. As much I love Eli, Iím also happy and excited for Daniel. This has to be an amazing moment for him and his family. Heíll have the entire team behind him including, amazingly enough, Eli. Very special.
RE: RE: RE: Greg  
BrettNYG10 : 9/20/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14589674 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14589645 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 14589592 Go Terps said:


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I'm reading a book on Cold War espionage called "The Moscow Rules". According to this book, one of the CIA operatives' key rules was "There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth."

The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?

Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.



Do you recommend the book?



I'm only a few chapters in, but so far it's really interesting if you're into the Cold War, spy tactics, and that sort if thing.


Thanks, I'll check it out.
RE: I'm concerned fans are putting too much hope in this change  
Les in TO : 9/20/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14589648 PatersonPlank said:
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Jones is a rookie starting his first game. It will be a learning experience, actually this whole year will be. It also doesn't fix the defense, r help with injuries. The team will not magically become a 10-6 team, even if it beats a lousy TB team. Frankly, IMO, I expect more of the same. This change to me is about Jones learning not much about winning immediately.
heís not going to fix the Defense. But if heís able to extend drives eat clock and put points on the board he can release some pressure and build some swagger
yeah, nice thread Britt -  
Del Shofner : 9/20/2019 1:20 pm : link
I'm in.
RE: Let me make sure I undersatnd  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14589708 arniefez said:
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Daniel Jones is going to cure everything that is wrong with the Giants organization. From ownership on down in the next 14 games regardless of their 2019 record so that in 2020 the Giants will challenge to win the NFC East. No wonder people are excited. Looking forward to it. Now I'm excited.

Yep, people who are hopeful our rookie QB plays well are saying exactly that.
RE: Everybody watches games in their own way, I guess.  
Go Terps : 9/20/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14589714 Britt in VA said:
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Yeah. Some of us try to actually understand what we're seeing, and others just change their opinions to agree with whatever the Giants do.
Danny Jones is not  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 1:34 pm : link
going to single-handedly turn this ship around...but if he comes in and brings this team back to a W or starts putting up some points - that's great.

If he's a train wreck - at least we can see it and start pounding the table for change (not that they listen to us - but it gives us something new to bitch about :)

Every snap DJ plays we are closer to either A.) competing again OR B.) clearing house and getting the right pieces in here.
there is a third option  
ron mexico : 9/20/2019 1:35 pm : link
try to understand what you are watching but realize you have no control over what either the players or the FO does.

So hope for the best and then bitch on BBI
Serious question, if you are that dug in that this organization....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 1:35 pm : link
is that awful from top to bottom, and frankly don't think there's going to be any significant change without a complete reorg... there's not going to be a change in ownership and a change at GM and/or HC is years away, why bother? With any of this? BBI, watching on Sundays, etc...

It doesn't sound like that's entertaining, and isn't that supposed to be what this is about at the end of the day? It's not life or death, nobody has a gun to your head when stating what the Giants will or won't be.
And I'm pretty sure I understand what I am watching, thanks.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 1:38 pm : link
I've also seen teams grow and gel over the years. I also understand that things in the NFL are fluid. Where they are now is not always indicative where they will be in December.
but that's all I'm going to say on it,  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 1:39 pm : link
because I'm actually looking forward to Sunday and I plan on keeping it that way.
RE: Serious question, if you are that dug in that this organization....  
NoGainDayne : 9/20/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14589747 Britt in VA said:
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is that awful from top to bottom, and frankly don't think there's going to be any significant change without a complete reorg... there's not going to be a change in ownership and a change at GM and/or HC is years away, why bother? With any of this? BBI, watching on Sundays, etc...

It doesn't sound like that's entertaining, and isn't that supposed to be what this is about at the end of the day? It's not life or death, nobody has a gun to your head when stating what the Giants will or won't be.


Jesus, seriously? For me, I've been a Giants fan for as long as I can remember, it's wrapped into my family. You kind of answer your own question here. If people didn't care they wouldn't be doing this. I would in fact love to not care about this team, but alas, I do.

Now the supposition that just because we care we have to be overly optimistic or ignore what's in front of our eyes. Now that to me seems ridiculous.
I did not think this could turn into a negative but here we are....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 1:41 pm : link
Again, everybody watches in their own way.

No need to insult others if they don't see it the same way you do.
RE: Serious question, if you are that dug in that this organization....  
jcn56 : 9/20/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14589747 Britt in VA said:
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is that awful from top to bottom, and frankly don't think there's going to be any significant change without a complete reorg... there's not going to be a change in ownership and a change at GM and/or HC is years away, why bother? With any of this? BBI, watching on Sundays, etc...

It doesn't sound like that's entertaining, and isn't that supposed to be what this is about at the end of the day? It's not life or death, nobody has a gun to your head when stating what the Giants will or won't be.


That is a very good question. It comes down along the same lines as why do any sane bunch of adults who have no vested interest in a group of people playing a game for money care who wins?

Tradition? Loyalty? Whatever it is - that's why people care.

The Giants used to be appointment TV for me. The NFL as a whole. That's been chipped away, in part because of changes to the league, in part because the Giants have been painful to watch, and partly due to an overall lack of free time.

So although I was ready and waiting for kickoff last Sunday, I knew if the season kept going like this, it would be DVR/FF time sometime soon. The Giants have been doing so poorly for so long, it's just not fun to watch.

Hopefully Jones changes that.
I hope so too.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 1:45 pm : link
.
I don't think a change in HC/GM  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 1:47 pm : link
is years away. I really think those two stuck their necks out with that DJ pick. If he flops - they are gone. I don't think there's going to be a short leash from ownership on that.

I'll give ownership this, when the Giants were an embarrassment under MacAdoo - they moved. It was quick both HC and GM were gone.

I think the same thing will happen if DJ ends up being a mess. The media will have a field day with the Giants if DJ is a flop. Ownership isn't going to just sit and take that.
GoTerps is back  
figgy2989 : 9/20/2019 1:51 pm : link
Just when you think he walked away from BBI with his fist held high after Beckham was traded, he comes back with even more vigor and turned his attention squarely on the the Giants brass. Good for you Terps!

jcn - I totally agree with you  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 1:52 pm : link
Giants games on Sunday's were sacred times. My wife knew that if something else was in the works for that time, it better get moved if it's important...now - I tell her I don't care.

I DVRed last Sunday's game b/c my son had a baseball tournament - I listened to the first quarter in between games and never watched it, or check the score, because I didn't care anymore.

For the first time in a long time - 4:05 on Sunday is off limits.
Count me in  
5BowlsSoon : 9/20/2019 1:55 pm : link
As being more excited knowing we get to watch the Future become the Present!

Disclaimer: Iím still closing my eyes when we are on defense. Can somebody remind me how no one scored a td against Baker in college?
I've been a Giants fan as far back as I can remember  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 1:58 pm : link
Dave Gettleman's bumbling and Pat Shurmur's incompetence isn't driving me away. Hell, I'm still a Knicks fan - this is nothing in comparison.
RE: there is a third option  
DieHard : 9/20/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14589746 ron mexico said:
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try to understand what you are watching but realize you have no control over what either the players or the FO does.

So hope for the best and then bitch on BBI


On the other hand, it's been empirically proven that being angry and pessimistic all of the time can actually bring about positive outcomes. Look at the wonders it's done for Knicks fans!
I think what a lot of people can't understand is  
jcn56 : 9/20/2019 2:00 pm : link
exactly how *bad* the Giants have been.

I'm no fair weather fan, I've seen more than my share of losing Giants teams. I started rooting for this team as a kid in the early 80's when they were awful and everyone around me was a bandwagon Cowboys or Steelers fan.

Putting aside the great SB runs, the team has had it's fair share of down seasons. But they were never quite THIS bad (caveat; my lifetime, didn't see the 60's/70's). They're incapable of doing anything right now. Their one and only established playmaker is either stifled because he's the only one defenses have to key on or he's not on the field because of the coaches.

The defense - the hallmark of Giants football in the time I've been watching - has been so brutally bad, you almost wonder if they could have saved the cap money and draft resources, drafted only offensive players, and sent them out there to stand and try to delay the occasional score instead.

I hope Jones changes this, I really do - because I still spend a lot of the year anxiously awaiting football. Unfortunately, what I've been getting hasn't been much of a payoff.

And the rest of football just seems to have gone to shit IMO. Fantasy sports everywhere, an emphasis on offense to the point where defense is practically impossible, the league is rife with very good teams and very bad teams. The NFL might be extremely popular, but more often than not I find a product that I don't enjoy watching anymore.
RE: I think what a lot of people can't understand is  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14589784 jcn56 said:
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exactly how *bad* the Giants have been.


I do. I fully understand it. Worst stretch in my lifetime and I've been a fan since 1984. Close to a decade of poor, poor football.

I'd just like to believe that things are going to turn around, and that Jones and Barkley are players we can build upon to lead the way.

I still think a lot of this goes back to Barkley over Darnold, but I would have thought Jones would have squashed that some.
I also understand the hopelessness, however, look what we do have....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 2:07 pm : link
that we haven't had in ten years:

-A competent looking offensive line
-A running game headlined by one of the best backs in the game
-A young, highly drafted QB.

These are things to build around. We haven't had a core of a team in a long time, since we were winning SB's.

It's starting to feel like a core is forming again, here.
the OL is hardly outstanding or anything  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 2:09 pm : link
nor is it particularly young. And I watched more than a bit of Daniel Jones in college and never once did I think to myself, "Damn, that guy has superstar written all over him! I sure hope the Giants can get him!"

Just thank God that the Giants aren't playing the Chiefs. Juan Thornhill absolutely owned Jones.
It's hardly outstanding....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 2:11 pm : link
but compared to what it has been there is significant improvement.
RE: RE: I think what a lot of people can't understand is  
jcn56 : 9/20/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14589791 Britt in VA said:
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exactly how *bad* the Giants have been.



I do. I fully understand it. Worst stretch in my lifetime and I've been a fan since 1984. Close to a decade of poor, poor football.

I'd just like to believe that things are going to turn around, and that Jones and Barkley are players we can build upon to lead the way.

I still think a lot of this goes back to Barkley over Darnold, but I would have thought Jones would have squashed that some.


I think that's water under the bridge now. The problem is twofold - the Giants look every bit as bad as they did during the 2017 season, where the team imploded, and you're not seeing much of Barkley.

That can change - and I sure as hell hope it does. But so far, the rebuilt OL and dynamic running back that were supposed to salvage the rest of Eli's career and help bolster the team really haven't done much of either.
RE: the OL is hardly outstanding or anything  
Chris684 : 9/20/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14589800 Greg from LI said:
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nor is it particularly young. And I watched more than a bit of Daniel Jones in college and never once did I think to myself, "Damn, that guy has superstar written all over him! I sure hope the Giants can get him!"

Just thank God that the Giants aren't playing the Chiefs. Juan Thornhill absolutely owned Jones.


LOL

So much to laugh at in this post. Where to begin?
Dnew15  
arniefez : 9/20/2019 2:18 pm : link
McAdoo was fired because he spoke out against the family in public. Not because of play on the field. There are two things that get Mara coaches fired. Empty stands or publicly embarrassing the Maras. McAdoo committed crime #2.
RE: RE: the OL is hardly outstanding or anything  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14589806 Chris684 said:
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LOL

So much to laugh at in this post. Where to begin?



Look, Chrissy, I'm flattered. Really, I am.....but I'm just not that into you. Sorry.
I don't think anyone thinks putting Jones in in 2019  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2019 2:23 pm : link
means we are going to get a bunch of wins and we are going to the postseason. I mean, would any of us complain if that were to happen? Of course not. But no one is actually expecting that to happen now that he is the starter.

More than anything, it's about getting him experience and getting through those growing pains, much like Eli went through in 2004. In 2005, Eli looked like a completely different QB which who knows if that would've happened if Eli didn't get that experience in the second half of 2004.

Hopefully, the same happens with Jones. There is no guarantee, of course. Jones might flop. He might not. But either way they have to find out and nothing was changing/getting better in those first two games, so why not get the kid experience and go from there?

But if anyone actually thinks anyone is expecting Jones to win a ton of games this season and lead us into the playoffs, I don't even know what to say..
RE: I don't think anyone thinks putting Jones in in 2019  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14589818 Dave in Hoboken said:
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But if anyone actually thinks anyone is expecting Jones to win a ton of games this season and lead us into the playoffs, I don't even know what to say..


Well, you know what they say - the most persuasive lies are the ones we tell ourselves.
I am energized by this move  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2019 2:30 pm : link
I really hope that Jones is the man!!! Unlike Greg I did like what I saw of him un college -- he's a spunky fighter and we need a spark in there right now.
I expect the usual on Sunday  
Geomon : 9/20/2019 2:33 pm : link
pain and suffering.
I personally will pull out of any more negativity on this thread  
NoGainDayne : 9/20/2019 2:37 pm : link
I think there is definitely a possibility that he's our QB of the future and I don't mind doing my best to help cultivate a good vibe around that.

Let's go DJ
.  
arcarsenal : 9/20/2019 2:38 pm : link
Haha. Of course this thread wound up this way.. what a surprise.
RE: Dnew15  
ron mexico : 9/20/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14589810 arniefez said:
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McAdoo was fired because he spoke out against the family in public. Not because of play on the field. There are two things that get Mara coaches fired. Empty stands or publicly embarrassing the Maras. McAdoo committed crime #2.


What did Mac say about the Maras?
They were fired  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 2:55 pm : link
b/c that team straight up quit and were an embarrassment.

Plus - MacAdoo and Reece bet the house on Smith being better than Eli and that backfired so they got run out.

DG and PS made the same bet. If DJ flops they'll get rid of everyone - this is a 14 game ticking time bomb for DG, PS and Danny J. If it explodes - everyone goes. Except this time, Eli wont't be to go back to.

The Giants will start from scratch with a new HC, GM, the #2 pick in the draft and Saquon.
'as excited I've been in years'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 3:05 pm : link
I love the Giants. I've seen every game since Ray Perkins was hired as HC. I look forward to every game even when the team is bad. The changing of the guard at QB is an energized moment.

That said don't be surprised if this club keeps losing. The defense is lousy. I do see some talent on that side of the ball and opportunity for long term improvement. There are 5 1st/2nd year starters and several others in key situational roles. It's going to take time. On offense even if Tate was available this is easily the worst starting WR group we planned to open the season with in many years. Tate, Shepard, Coleman and Lattimer as our Top 4? That's just not good enough and Tate's suspension exacerbated an already tenuous situation.

So temper your excitement with reality. Daniel Jones is the future and it's understandable he starts playing and begins his journey. Don't expect the results to change much. At least not for some time to come.
I don't expect the defense to get better overnight.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 3:09 pm : link
Frankly, I don't expect the defense to improve much at all this week.

What I'm excited about is the prospect of the unknown. An unknown future.
Well the passing game will be a lot more interesting  
Heisenberg : 9/20/2019 3:11 pm : link
Eli has been such a checkdown monster for the last few years. DJ seems like he will take some chances, which will undoubtedly lead to a wide variety of outcomes, good and bad.
'the passing game will be a lot more interesting'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 3:21 pm : link
Haha that could be true. Again don't expect it to get much better until the talent at WR gets bolstered. If Tate and Slayton eventually offer significant improvement personnel wise that could potentially tip the scales. Asking Jones to be the savior for an anemic offense with an average O-line and mediocre receiving corps is unlikely.
RE: I don't expect the defense to get better overnight.  
Chris684 : 9/20/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14589878 Britt in VA said:
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Frankly, I don't expect the defense to improve much at all this week.

What I'm excited about is the prospect of the unknown. An unknown future.


It's funny how many people miss the point of your post and/or are so dug in on their misery that they almost want failure so they can proclaim how smart they are.

A really fun crowd.

Well said  
Thegratefulhead : 9/20/2019 3:39 pm : link
I was going to make a similar post, eerily similar. GMTA. I feel the same way and have the same hopes for BBI.
one of the best ways to improve a defense  
Batenhorst : 9/20/2019 3:48 pm : link
is to keep them off the field

If Jones can move the ball on 3rd down (which Eli was really really struggling with) the Defense will be much fresher

The punters leg will not be falling off and in an ice bath

Im hoping Daniel can energize the whole team, not just the offense

In pre-season he looked like the second coming of Johnny Unitas
Hopefully, that continues where it left off
I think the important thing to remember now is that to some degree....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
wins and losses are not as important as team, and player growth.

I guess I somehow have to clarify that I didn't think Jones was going to turn things around to the affect of winning the next 14 games or something.
But rather it feels like we're building towards.....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
something.
RE: I think the important thing to remember now is that to some degree....  
cjac : 9/20/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14589928 Britt in VA said:
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wins and losses are not as important as team, and player growth.

I guess I somehow have to clarify that I didn't think Jones was going to turn things around to the affect of winning the next 14 games or something.


This is close to what John Mara said in the pre-season, he said the thing he's looking for is that the team is improved from the begining of the season to the end.

Even he knew with the roster so young they had no shot at the playoffs
Here is the quote i'm referencing  
cjac : 9/20/2019 3:56 pm : link
ďWe need to win some games,Ē Mara said. ďI want to feel like at the end of the season weíre moving in the right direction. Iím not going to say it has to be a minimum number of games that we have to win, or we have to make the playoffs. I want to feel when Iím walking off the field after the last game of the season, whenever that is, that this franchise is headed in the right direction. Thatís, to me, the most important thing.Ē
RE: But rather it feels like we're building towards.....  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14589929 Britt in VA said:
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something.


Hope - that's what this Sunday provides.

It's something that I don't think many had for awhile.
How Jones  
Les in TO : 9/20/2019 4:02 pm : link
Performs this season and next is crucial. If his preseason performance carries over, we could be in for a decade of success like the Steelers and Packers had. If he turns out to be Dave Brown 2.0, Gettleman and Shurmur will be back on the sofa watching Matlock reruns and coordinating offenses and we may be tanking for Trevor in 2020.

I hope we got it right and that brighter days are ahead
Wins and losses are not as important as team, and player growth  
arniefez : 9/20/2019 4:07 pm : link
I don't agree. They need to win. They've been losing for way too long in the current NFL. Normally under these circumstances I'd be all in for 2-14 to get rid this HC who is probably never going to win anything in the NFL. But not after all this losing. It needs to turn around ASAP. I even though I highly doubt it I hope this HC can do it.
The problems are  
JonC : 9/20/2019 4:11 pm : link
they still lack talent at WR, and the defense needs another offseason (perhaps more) of infusing talent, and identifying players who are core or need to go.

What has my attention is the leadership's reactionary style of management since DG took over. That leads to questions of having a vision, a plan, and if they're bringing in the right talent to win in the modern NFL.

Much to prove ahead. But, I do think it's clear Eli has been part of the downtrend, and he's out of the equation for now.
I hope Jones is great  
illmatic : 9/20/2019 4:15 pm : link
But it seems like half the fans forget that heís going to play like a rookie and itís going to frustrate them. Fumbles, silly ints, botched plays, etc. Hopefully those will be limited but based on the excitement levels, it feels like a lot of people are thinking stuff like that wonít even happen.

I want to be very excited but itís hard to be with this defense. They have played some of the worst D Iíve ever seen. The only good news is thereís nowhere to go but up. I hope. Iím just hoping these guys give me reasons to stay excited.
'In pre-season he looked like the second coming of Johnny Unitas'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 4:35 pm : link
Oh boy. This is the sort of over expectation that is going to lead to high blood pressure for so many. Frankly it's not fair to Jones or yourself to go there.

As far as building something here. I agree we are. I like the overall course that DG is steering us. Where I disagree is the idea that acknowledging the weaknesses and tempering unreal expectations the impact of a rookie QB with limited assets to work with is somehow negative. It doesn't detract from the enjoyment of the process to be realistic. In fact, it enhances it. That said this roster needs another off season to compete. WR is a mess. OL needs more horses. Pass rush needs reinforcements.

Sunday will be fun, a lot of it. Probably moreso if you take off the blinders and untint your rose colored glasses. Enjoy it for what it is, a full on rebuilding season with a rookie QB.
i agree with most excitement here, and then i think, can Shurmercoach  
plato : 9/20/2019 5:39 pm : link
successfully a team that primarily is a run ďfirst and againĒ team? I think, and i hope iím am wrong, he canít. Since thatís what the giants are or need to be, the chances are nothing much really changes. hopefully iím wrong.
RE: I'm done going against Terps  
santacruzom : 9/21/2019 12:54 am : link
In comment 14589647 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.


Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.

If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.
should be exciting time  
hassan : 9/21/2019 2:15 am : link
.....this as a fan to me is similar to the late 90s or the mid 2000s. Team is fluid and rebuilding, we all hope the defense emerges and we donít know if jones is a ĎDave Browní, a ĎKerry Collinsí, or a future ĎElií and in fact a lot
of grey between those 3 options.

It marks a new era and the ĎEli back 9í era - irrespective of the blame and who was culpable - just had to end.

Might as well be optimistic; the unknown is part of the fun. There is a great chance this rebuild may be more Dan Reeves like than Tom
C but at least we will see the full Pat Shurmur o now.
RE: RE: I'm done going against Terps  
Go Terps : 9/21/2019 3:22 am : link
In comment 14590286 santacruzom said:
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.




Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.

If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.


If I could will anything Giants related it would be for Eli to be 22 again.
RE: RE: RE: I'm done going against Terps  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14590293 Go Terps said:
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.




Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.

If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.



If I could will anything Giants related it would be for Eli to be 22 again.

Amen brother.
I agree.  
Rick5 : 9/21/2019 9:41 am : link
The only thing that tempers my enthusiasm a bit is that in 2004 I knew Coughlin was a proven winner. Shurmur still has much to prove...
I'm excited too!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/21/2019 9:49 am : link
I want to see Jones, calm and accurate. Whatever the outcome, just want to see him display good fundamentals. Win would be nice too!
And I know Shurmur is a punching bag right now  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/21/2019 9:50 am : link
and rightfully so.

But I'm glad he's here to start Jones' career. He may not be here to end it, but I like him as a QB developer.
RE: RE: I'm concerned fans are putting too much hope in this change  
D_Giants : 9/22/2019 1:05 am : link
In comment 14589722 Les in TO said:
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Jones is a rookie starting his first game. It will be a learning experience, actually this whole year will be. It also doesn't fix the defense, r help with injuries. The team will not magically become a 10-6 team, even if it beats a lousy TB team. Frankly, IMO, I expect more of the same. This change to me is about Jones learning not much about winning immediately.

heís not going to fix the Defense. But if heís able to extend drives eat clock and put points on the board he can release some pressure and build some swagger


Agree. The defense is as bad as Iíve seen in decades, and it will not get better magically. Hopefully, the Giants offense will be able to score more than 12 non-garbage points per game, and they can pull out 2 or 3 high-scoring wins this year. Right now, however, every opponent looks formidable.
That's interesting OP  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 2:12 am : link
I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.
Jcn56: You became a fan in the early 80s?  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/22/2019 9:51 am : link
Damn, John - I was sure you went through the 70s with the rest of us torture survivors. You didnít live through The Fumble? The Craig Morton trade? Rocky Thompson? John Hicks? Wellington Mara drafting based on Street & Smithís magazine and tips from his neighbors? Granted, 1980 and 1983 were tough years; but jeez, the most dominant player in NFL history joined the Giants in 1981, and made the team watchable even when they stunk.

On the bigger point, though, youíre right: since mid-2012 weíve seen the worst seven-year stretch of Giant football since George Young was in Miami. And it isnít close.
RE: That's interesting OP  
BigBlueShock : 9/22/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.

Uh, wtf? Itís a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable
RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14591164 BigBlueShock said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Uh, wtf? Itís a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable


Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.
Getting pumped up  
ron mexico : 9/22/2019 10:50 am : link
Gonna be a long 5 tours til kickoff
RE: RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14591219 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Uh, wtf? Itís a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable



Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.


I understand the sentiment, but I just want to say... If Jones comes in and we win, it won't necessarily mean Jones is better. We just needed to shake things up.

Eli wasn't the problem with this team. His style was ineffective and not a difference maker. The offense no longer suited him.

This isn't on Eli by a longshot. It's just time, unfortunately.
RE: That's interesting OP  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


What a strange take... to care more about the general perception of Eli Manning than the Giants winning a game in Week 3.
Manning is at the point in his career where he needs....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 10:58 am : link
to be on a solid team that can maximize his talents.

Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.

In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 11:03 am : link
I've posted my take on Eli several times over, and obviously do not think this is his fault - rather, a lot of blame should be placed at the feet of the organization for failing him for so long.

That said, I became a Giants fan before I even knew Eli existed. He's not the reason I root for this team. I'm not rooting for fucking spite losses now that they've decided to play Jones. I thought Eli would get a little more time than this, but we're not winning games and don't look all that close to winning them right now, so it's hard to argue with the change.

I'll be damned if I root against Daniel or the team today out of some over the top attachment to Eli and valuing him over the entire franchise. That's insane to me.

And I think it's well known enough around here that I've had Eli's back all the way through. It's just time... the time comes for everyone.
RE: That's interesting OP  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Well it a shame you're not on board. Are you going to take up golf, gardening or something else to do on sundays?

I do see Jones playing well overall today and that is the good news  
guineaT : 9/22/2019 11:05 am : link
I doubt we win the game. Three things holding us back. Defense isn't ready yet. Shurmur's refusal to commit to Saquon. The receivers, Shep and possibly Slayton are the only ones that belong in a starting lineup.
RE: Manning is at the point in his career where he needs....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14591238 Britt in VA said:
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to be on a solid team that can maximize his talents.

Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.

In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.


a bit dramatic, but not unexpected...
Yeah, I think it goes without saying that I've supported Manning....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:08 am : link
more than anybody else on this site. Over the top even. He goes out with a .500 record, and I think we'll look back on this as a gift. He doesn't deserve to go out with a losing record, that's not indicative of who he is or was to this team, even though he's a captain willing to go down with the ship record be damned. He always put the Giants above himself, I'm certain of it.

As I said earlier in this thread... I am, was, and will always be a Giants fan.
What's dramatic about it?  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:10 am : link
Not that I want to argue, but seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Are you sure you are going to be okay today?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:13 am : link
Its a tough page to turn for some of you all, but the Giants have actually had other QBs not-named Eli win games for them in the past and they will in the future.

hopefully soon...
RE: Yeah, I think it goes without saying that I've supported Manning....  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14591259 Britt in VA said:
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more than anybody else on this site.


You may hold the title now, but that's only because Dep was banned. lol
Why are you being a dick?  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:15 am : link
?
I am aware  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 11:15 am : link
That my sentiment is strange. I'm just very sore right now with how everything went down. 2 games? You gave Eli 2 games? Anyways... I'm just not looking forward to everyone saying I told you so if the Giants win this game today. I'm sure I'll be rooting for Mr. Jones. I'm the same age as Eli and there will never be another QB that I sort of "grow up" with. Putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses and I think Shurmur is trying to save his job at this point. I won't comment anymore. Enjoy the game everyone!
That was to Googs, not LT.  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:15 am : link
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RE: What's dramatic about it?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14591267 Britt in VA said:
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Not that I want to argue, but seems pretty cut and dried to me.


I don't either but you sound like a eulogy...
RE: That's interesting OP  
Ryan in Albany : 9/22/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


What a weird Giants fan.
RE: I am aware  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14591276 weaverpsu said:
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That my sentiment is strange. I'm just very sore right now with how everything went down. 2 games? You gave Eli 2 games? Anyways... I'm just not looking forward to everyone saying I told you so if the Giants win this game today. I'm sure I'll be rooting for Mr. Jones. I'm the same age as Eli and there will never be another QB that I sort of "grow up" with. Putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses and I think Shurmur is trying to save his job at this point. I won't comment anymore. Enjoy the game everyone!


2 games? Have you missed the last few seasons or what?
RE: I am aware  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14591276 weaverpsu said:
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That my sentiment is strange. I'm just very sore right now with how everything went down. 2 games? You gave Eli 2 games? Anyways... I'm just not looking forward to everyone saying I told you so if the Giants win this game today. I'm sure I'll be rooting for Mr. Jones. I'm the same age as Eli and there will never be another QB that I sort of "grow up" with. Putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses and I think Shurmur is trying to save his job at this point. I won't comment anymore. Enjoy the game everyone!


You lose me when you say putting Jones in means it is no longer about wins and losses.

That's exactly what it's about.

All we've been doing with Eli is losing.
At the very least, it gives DJ 14 games (barring injury)  
micky : 9/22/2019 11:27 am : link
to have a template to work with going into the off season. Better sample than say, 3 or 4 game, to work with and develop.

Who knows where he is 3 years or so? May turn into a franchise qb (fingers crossed) or just doesn't cut it. But if he really falls flat these 14 games (highly doubt) it gives this franchise on a true hit at a good qb next draft. But, i'm booking on this kid being the face of the franchise (along with Barkley) for the foreseeable future.
I wasn't too optimistic about this season  
Jersey55 : 9/22/2019 11:44 am : link
but now with the QB change things will have a different look from the old same ole same ole...
Way too much thinking based on preseason games  
HomerJones45 : 9/22/2019 11:51 am : link
And there has been expectation inflation. Jones is a giant ?. NFL draft profiles rated him "chance to become NFL starter." Gettlemen chose him with the 6th pick. We'll see over the next few weeks who was right.

Maybe his presence will cause the receivers to find some speed and talent. Maybe his mere nomination as starter will cause the defense to look competitive. Maybe having named Jones starter, Pat Shurmur will finally find the key to being an average NFL HC, a key that has so far eluded him in multiple assignments.

I have my doubts. The receivers still blow. The offense is still one predicated almost exclusively on fakes and misdirection and is a sitting duck against speedy or well trained defenses who recover or don't fall for the fakes and misdirection and the defense is slow and often confused. None of that is going to change because Jones is out there.

I don't want to hear a fucking thing out of Jawn. He's a nice man of good intentions and piss poor, comically bad judgment.
Britt, Iíve been scratching my head in bewilderment  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:01 pm : link
over the excite by some re Jones our starting QB.

How can fans, who hated Jones as a QB in VIRTUALLY any round or who were royally pissed when he was taken at 6, be excited about him playing?

After all, they KNOW he sucks. Shouldnít they be feeling trepidation over excitement? We know for certain that their minds were not changed over a vanilla pre-season, because at best, heíll be an average QB with certainly no chance to wear the franchise label.

So whatís with their excitement with all that they know about this Dave Brown equivalent?

Help me out here, bud..😎

excite by some=excitement by some  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:02 pm : link
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Maybe their other thoughts came out to soon and were  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 12:06 pm : link
irrational. Or maybe they were just disappointed in the selection as they wanted something else for the team they really like because they are fans.

Or maybe you are just exaggerating for effect.

one or some of those...
RE: Britt, Iíve been scratching my head in bewilderment  
Enzo : 9/22/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14591332 Big Blue '56 said:
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over the excite by some re Jones our starting QB.

How can fans, who hated Jones as a QB in VIRTUALLY any round or who were royally pissed when he was taken at 6, be excited about him playing?

After all, they KNOW he sucks. Shouldnít they be feeling trepidation over excitement? We know for certain that their minds were not changed over a vanilla pre-season, because at best, heíll be an average QB with certainly no chance to wear the franchise label.

So whatís with their excitement with all that they know about this Dave Brown equivalent?

Help me out here, bud..😎

I'm impressed that you manage to keep track of all these bullshit narratives flying through your head at the same time.
Nope. They were perfectly clear as  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:13 pm : link
was the media. Jones sucks and will never be a franchise player. DG screwed up royally by not taking the much better prospect, Josh Allen at 6.

RE: RE: Britt, Iíve been scratching my head in bewilderment  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14591346 Enzo said:
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In comment 14591332 Big Blue '56 said:


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over the excite by some re Jones our starting QB.

How can fans, who hated Jones as a QB in VIRTUALLY any round or who were royally pissed when he was taken at 6, be excited about him playing?

After all, they KNOW he sucks. Shouldnít they be feeling trepidation over excitement? We know for certain that their minds were not changed over a vanilla pre-season, because at best, heíll be an average QB with certainly no chance to wear the franchise label.

So whatís with their excitement with all that they know about this Dave Brown equivalent?

Help me out here, bud..😎



I'm impressed that you manage to keep track of all these bullshit narratives flying through your head at the same time.


Two things: One, they are accurate as hell and two, I was born and raised in the Bronx, we keep all bullshit in our heads
RE: Nope. They were perfectly clear as  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14591347 Big Blue '56 said:
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was the media. Jones sucks and will never be a franchise player. DG screwed up royally by not taking the much better prospect, Josh Allen at 6.


Hopefully not, but maybe Jones will never be a franchise player and DG did screw up. Those opinions, albeit coming way too soon, are typical of fans for any team. And now its game time and they are excited to see Jones give it a go.

Where are you going with this?

Enzo, the post was made facetiously,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:21 pm : link
but in all seriousness, if I was one of the Jones ďhatersĒ (re ability) before and just after the draft, I would be far from excited today. Iíd be shitting a brick for today and moving forward....

😊😊
Well maybe what Jones showed in spring and summer  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 12:25 pm : link
turned a bunch of early doubters. Or maybe they saw Eli play again and realized the team needed a change no matter what.

Or maybe they realized they are fans of the Giants, and will root for them no matter what.

Good luck to DJ and the rest of the team this afternoon...

RE: RE: Nope. They were perfectly clear as  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14591356 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14591347 Big Blue '56 said:


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was the media. Jones sucks and will never be a franchise player. DG screwed up royally by not taking the much better prospect, Josh Allen at 6.




Hopefully not, but maybe Jones will never be a franchise player and DG did screw up. Those opinions, albeit coming way too soon, are typical of fans for any team. And now its game time and they are excited to see Jones give it a go.

Where are you going with this?


Where Iím going with this? We ALL realize he may not be a franchise player and ultimately, it will be proven whether DG screwed up or not. Thatís the mindset of many of us..We know thereís a possibility of failure..

That is in direct contrast to those who stated emphatically that Jones was crap and it was a huge mistake to take him at 6 (or anywhere else in round one) with zero possibility that they can be wrong.

A huge difference..So again, explain to me where the excitement in lieu of trepidation is coming from with these know it alls?
So everybody on this thread above that expressed some  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 1:01 pm : link
excitement for Jones today, also stated emphatically at an earlier date that "Jones was crap and it was a huge mistake to take him at 6 (or anywhere else in round one) with zero possibility that they can be wrong"?

Same people, some of the same people, none of the same people...which is it?

You're calling out a bunch of know-it-alls for the obvious fact they don't know it all...why?
Donít be obtuse.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 1:05 pm : link
The same people and you know that. Who else would I be referencing.
Why am I calling them out?  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2019 1:08 pm : link
Simple. They tortured us for months with posts claiming Jones was ďgarbageĒ and he would never amount to anything.

No room for error in their minds. So once again, why are they excited over garbage.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?
I'm not being obtuse. When I quickly scan the posters  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 1:13 pm : link
above it seem like majority are excited for Jones, others are excited for any change to this team, and some others have said he probably doesnt make a difference.

Seems fairly harmless and pretty expected.

Who are the ones that you are calling out that indicated Jones was an absolute mistake and they couldn't be wrong, but yet are excited?
Bittersweet day for me  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/22/2019 1:14 pm : link
Very excited to see the Jones era begin. Sad to see the Manning era end.
RE: Why am I calling them out?  
Gmanfandan : 9/22/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14591396 Big Blue '56 said:
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Simple. They tortured us for months with posts claiming Jones was ďgarbageĒ and he would never amount to anything.

No room for error in their minds. So once again, why are they excited over garbage.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?


Pretty sure most that were unhappy with the pick (which I include myself) felt leaving Josh Allen on the board was the mistake - Even knowing Jones may not (would not) be there at 17 - that a game changing LB would help more than Eli's replacement (who was/is needed)

That being said I am excited to see what we have in Jones and hope he's the second coming of Dan Marino (rookie who blasts off) and that we beat TB
I am excited to see Jones  
Mike in Boston : 9/22/2019 1:50 pm : link
but fearful because of the way this has gone out. Had they started Jones week one I would imagine there would be some energy from the coach showing confidence in the young guys.

As they did it, however, they are starting the new QB missing most of the WR, against a very tough D, and in a way that makes it look like the coach has lost confidence in the team and is running an 18 game preseason for next year.

I hope I am wrong, but this looks like the team will give up before week 5.

RE: I am excited to see Jones  
ron mexico : 9/22/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14591416 Mike in Boston said:
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but fearful because of the way this has gone out. Had they started Jones week one I would imagine there would be some energy from the coach showing confidence in the young guys.

As they did it, however, they are starting the new QB missing most of the WR, against a very tough D, and in a way that makes it look like the coach has lost confidence in the team and is running an 18 game preseason for next year.

I hope I am wrong, but this looks like the team will give up before week 5.


I really donít think this is or will be the case.

Iíll bet most of the locker room is happy with the switch.
RE: That's interesting OP  
BigBlueShock : 9/22/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.

How ya feelin there, kiddo? Should we send someone over to check on you?
RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/22/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14594388 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:


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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


How ya feelin there, kiddo? Should we send someone over to check on you?


Lol
anybody else excited or are we still miserable?  
Britt in VA : 9/23/2019 3:28 am : link
?
...  
ChaChing : 9/23/2019 3:35 am : link
Pollyanna was right...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/23/2019 6:39 am : link
...love wins!
They are still miserable  
ZogZerg : 9/23/2019 6:48 am : link
..
You know  
Jimmy Googs : 9/23/2019 6:58 am : link
maybe he wouldnít have lasted until 17...
RE: You know  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/23/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14594869 Jimmy Googs said:
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maybe he wouldnít have lasted until 17...


Googs you've been on point through many posts on this thread. Fiddy, you are throwing darts at a straw man here big time.

As one of the guys dead set against the selection of Jones sixth overall, based on my own review of his game tape far more than pundits' opinions, but also based on numerous comments by FMIC (who saw Jones look bad live at Duke) or other knowledgeable regulars who didn't like aspects of Jones' game, I have had no issue with "flip flopping" on him for all the reasons Googs cited.

Amusing thread, especially in light of Jones's great 1st real game - which damn well mirrored or followed up his excellent pre-season performances.

If you (anyone) don't notice the team rallying around him and/or responding to him, there's no hope for you.

Give Shurmer credit on many fronts. He spoke succinctly about the significance of having a QB who can extend plays; that was blatantly evident yesterday against a very tough and very agressive Bucs' defense.
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