It kind of feels like a brand new season now, and hopefully, it can re-unite Giants fans that have been split for a couple of years on Manning, the direction of the organization, etc... This is something we can all get on together and be excited for. We're watching this really young team from the ground up, hopefully coming together and playing some good, competitive football. Something we haven't really seen in years.
I'm not putting this all Daniel Jones back, but I guess I'm more feeling like that the last era is now TRULY over, and Sunday begins a brand new one. Coughlin and Eli now belong to the annals of Giants history, and Barkley and Jones are hopefully going to make their own. For the first time in 16 years, this truly feels like a new beginning, and I'm excited.
Going all out to watch on Sunday, setting up the projector out in the garage, 100 inch screen, the works, rather than just going through the motions like I've been doing for a while.
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Nothing against him, but I'm expecting another year down and rebuild after 2020, and that GM/HC is probably going to want their own QB.
Don't use the Eli experience as a template for Jones. Eli's career was highly unusual, and the league looks very different today.
Man I’m not saying you’re wrong but you are one negative dude. Your break from BBI certainly didn’t do you any good.
I don't think Terps has been overly negative. He's been realistic.
It's nice to be hopeful - and I'm certainly hoping that Jones can be a good one - but the organization's moves the past few years have offered little reason to be positive that they've made a good decision in Jones.
The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?
Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.
You started a good thread the other day stating that it was time for fans to do their job and call for the QB change.
Is more delusion really what this fan base needs? Personally as a fan I'm a little offended that the Giants think I'm stupid enough that I'll be distracted from this team's real problems simply because they changed the quarterback.
Then again when Eli took over for Warner it was bad
real bad.
Much anticipation here.
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Like I said, I didn’t even say I think you’re wrong. I just don’t think it was needed on this thread. Posts don’t have to be negative 100% of the time, especially in a light hearted thread.
You started a good thread the other day stating that it was time for fans to do their job and call for the QB change.
Is more delusion really what this fan base needs? Personally as a fan I'm a little offended that the Giants think I'm stupid enough that I'll be distracted from this team's real problems simply because they changed the quarterback.
Terps, you are I have similar views on the state of the franchise. At least with the head coach and owner. I think many if not most posting on this thread aren’t being delusional. They’re just enjoying the fact there is finally a little bit of juice on Sunday and trying to conjure up a little hope.
I just don’t think an ultra negative post was needed on this particular thread.
"The Tao of Pooh"
Is nothing delusional about enjoying football.
There's nothing delusional about finding the good in what many might consider a bad situation.
In fact when everybody can see that there is a problem and someone continues to point out that there's a problem...
... They become part of the problem.
So someone inability to enjoy what's going on right now is on them...
... Not on the team.
The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?
Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.
Do you recommend the book?
And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.
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I'm reading a book on Cold War espionage called "The Moscow Rules". According to this book, one of the CIA operatives' key rules was "There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth."
The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?
Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.
Do you recommend the book?
I'm only a few chapters in, but so far it's really interesting if you're into the Cold War, spy tactics, and that sort if thing.
I think the Eli was a major issue, his inability to make a play brought the whole team down. You know how deflating it is to have a guy return a punt down to the 30 to have it intercepted 2 plays later?
i'm not saying Daniel Jones is going to turn the team around and they'll be 14-2, but i think you're going to see a different level of enthusiasm and energy across the board. Especially when he starts running for first downs when plays break down.
Its clear that Shurmur is making this move to save his job.
And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.
It’s true, and he predicted Lamar Jackson success
Go against Terps at your own risk.
I'll both be rooting hard for him and concerned that him being talented even if the team is still mediocre for a while it will allow bad processes to stay in place. Everyone is excited about the hope of a young QB but there is a lot of stink to cover up that a lot of people want to ignore even when it's pungent and surrounding us in a closed off room. I feel like everyone is waiting for like a little spritz of air freshener to say it's a great smelling room.
wear off the minute the game starts just
hoping Jones has a solid game and takes care of the
football throwing a couple of Td's and a win will
suffice and shut up the haters of the 6th overall
pick .
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I'm reading a book on Cold War espionage called "The Moscow Rules". According to this book, one of the CIA operatives' key rules was "There is no limit to a human being's ability to rationalize the truth."
The Giants have a busted engine, and we're supposed to be happy they changed the tires two years too late?
Eli had to go, but he was benched only because it was his turn to step up and take the fall for a poor football operation. The operation didn't get any better.
Do you recommend the book?
I'm only a few chapters in, but so far it's really interesting if you're into the Cold War, spy tactics, and that sort if thing.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Yep, people who are hopeful our rookie QB plays well are saying exactly that.
Yeah. Some of us try to actually understand what we're seeing, and others just change their opinions to agree with whatever the Giants do.
If he's a train wreck - at least we can see it and start pounding the table for change (not that they listen to us - but it gives us something new to bitch about :)
Every snap DJ plays we are closer to either A.) competing again OR B.) clearing house and getting the right pieces in here.
So hope for the best and then bitch on BBI
It doesn't sound like that's entertaining, and isn't that supposed to be what this is about at the end of the day? It's not life or death, nobody has a gun to your head when stating what the Giants will or won't be.
It doesn't sound like that's entertaining, and isn't that supposed to be what this is about at the end of the day? It's not life or death, nobody has a gun to your head when stating what the Giants will or won't be.
Jesus, seriously? For me, I've been a Giants fan for as long as I can remember, it's wrapped into my family. You kind of answer your own question here. If people didn't care they wouldn't be doing this. I would in fact love to not care about this team, but alas, I do.
Now the supposition that just because we care we have to be overly optimistic or ignore what's in front of our eyes. Now that to me seems ridiculous.
No need to insult others if they don't see it the same way you do.
It doesn't sound like that's entertaining, and isn't that supposed to be what this is about at the end of the day? It's not life or death, nobody has a gun to your head when stating what the Giants will or won't be.
That is a very good question. It comes down along the same lines as why do any sane bunch of adults who have no vested interest in a group of people playing a game for money care who wins?
Tradition? Loyalty? Whatever it is - that's why people care.
The Giants used to be appointment TV for me. The NFL as a whole. That's been chipped away, in part because of changes to the league, in part because the Giants have been painful to watch, and partly due to an overall lack of free time.
So although I was ready and waiting for kickoff last Sunday, I knew if the season kept going like this, it would be DVR/FF time sometime soon. The Giants have been doing so poorly for so long, it's just not fun to watch.
Hopefully Jones changes that.
I'll give ownership this, when the Giants were an embarrassment under MacAdoo - they moved. It was quick both HC and GM were gone.
I think the same thing will happen if DJ ends up being a mess. The media will have a field day with the Giants if DJ is a flop. Ownership isn't going to just sit and take that.
I DVRed last Sunday's game b/c my son had a baseball tournament - I listened to the first quarter in between games and never watched it, or check the score, because I didn't care anymore.
For the first time in a long time - 4:05 on Sunday is off limits.
Disclaimer: I’m still closing my eyes when we are on defense. Can somebody remind me how no one scored a td against Baker in college?
So hope for the best and then bitch on BBI
On the other hand, it's been empirically proven that being angry and pessimistic all of the time can actually bring about positive outcomes. Look at the wonders it's done for Knicks fans!
I'm no fair weather fan, I've seen more than my share of losing Giants teams. I started rooting for this team as a kid in the early 80's when they were awful and everyone around me was a bandwagon Cowboys or Steelers fan.
Putting aside the great SB runs, the team has had it's fair share of down seasons. But they were never quite THIS bad (caveat; my lifetime, didn't see the 60's/70's). They're incapable of doing anything right now. Their one and only established playmaker is either stifled because he's the only one defenses have to key on or he's not on the field because of the coaches.
The defense - the hallmark of Giants football in the time I've been watching - has been so brutally bad, you almost wonder if they could have saved the cap money and draft resources, drafted only offensive players, and sent them out there to stand and try to delay the occasional score instead.
I hope Jones changes this, I really do - because I still spend a lot of the year anxiously awaiting football. Unfortunately, what I've been getting hasn't been much of a payoff.
And the rest of football just seems to have gone to shit IMO. Fantasy sports everywhere, an emphasis on offense to the point where defense is practically impossible, the league is rife with very good teams and very bad teams. The NFL might be extremely popular, but more often than not I find a product that I don't enjoy watching anymore.
I do. I fully understand it. Worst stretch in my lifetime and I've been a fan since 1984. Close to a decade of poor, poor football.
I'd just like to believe that things are going to turn around, and that Jones and Barkley are players we can build upon to lead the way.
I still think a lot of this goes back to Barkley over Darnold, but I would have thought Jones would have squashed that some.
-A competent looking offensive line
-A running game headlined by one of the best backs in the game
-A young, highly drafted QB.
These are things to build around. We haven't had a core of a team in a long time, since we were winning SB's.
It's starting to feel like a core is forming again, here.
Just thank God that the Giants aren't playing the Chiefs. Juan Thornhill absolutely owned Jones.
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exactly how *bad* the Giants have been.
I do. I fully understand it. Worst stretch in my lifetime and I've been a fan since 1984. Close to a decade of poor, poor football.
I'd just like to believe that things are going to turn around, and that Jones and Barkley are players we can build upon to lead the way.
I still think a lot of this goes back to Barkley over Darnold, but I would have thought Jones would have squashed that some.
I think that's water under the bridge now. The problem is twofold - the Giants look every bit as bad as they did during the 2017 season, where the team imploded, and you're not seeing much of Barkley.
That can change - and I sure as hell hope it does. But so far, the rebuilt OL and dynamic running back that were supposed to salvage the rest of Eli's career and help bolster the team really haven't done much of either.
Just thank God that the Giants aren't playing the Chiefs. Juan Thornhill absolutely owned Jones.
LOL
So much to laugh at in this post. Where to begin?
So much to laugh at in this post. Where to begin?
Look, Chrissy, I'm flattered. Really, I am.....but I'm just not that into you. Sorry.