It kind of feels like a brand new season now, and hopefully, it can re-unite Giants fans that have been split for a couple of years on Manning, the direction of the organization, etc... This is something we can all get on together and be excited for. We're watching this really young team from the ground up, hopefully coming together and playing some good, competitive football. Something we haven't really seen in years.
I'm not putting this all Daniel Jones back, but I guess I'm more feeling like that the last era is now TRULY over, and Sunday begins a brand new one. Coughlin and Eli now belong to the annals of Giants history, and Barkley and Jones are hopefully going to make their own. For the first time in 16 years, this truly feels like a new beginning, and I'm excited.
Going all out to watch on Sunday, setting up the projector out in the garage, 100 inch screen, the works, rather than just going through the motions like I've been doing for a while.
More than anything, it's about getting him experience and getting through those growing pains, much like Eli went through in 2004. In 2005, Eli looked like a completely different QB which who knows if that would've happened if Eli didn't get that experience in the second half of 2004.
Hopefully, the same happens with Jones. There is no guarantee, of course. Jones might flop. He might not. But either way they have to find out and nothing was changing/getting better in those first two games, so why not get the kid experience and go from there?
But if anyone actually thinks anyone is expecting Jones to win a ton of games this season and lead us into the playoffs, I don't even know what to say..
Well, you know what they say - the most persuasive lies are the ones we tell ourselves.
Let's go DJ
What did Mac say about the Maras?
Plus - MacAdoo and Reece bet the house on Smith being better than Eli and that backfired so they got run out.
DG and PS made the same bet. If DJ flops they'll get rid of everyone - this is a 14 game ticking time bomb for DG, PS and Danny J. If it explodes - everyone goes. Except this time, Eli wont't be to go back to.
The Giants will start from scratch with a new HC, GM, the #2 pick in the draft and Saquon.
That said don't be surprised if this club keeps losing. The defense is lousy. I do see some talent on that side of the ball and opportunity for long term improvement. There are 5 1st/2nd year starters and several others in key situational roles. It's going to take time. On offense even if Tate was available this is easily the worst starting WR group we planned to open the season with in many years. Tate, Shepard, Coleman and Lattimer as our Top 4? That's just not good enough and Tate's suspension exacerbated an already tenuous situation.
So temper your excitement with reality. Daniel Jones is the future and it's understandable he starts playing and begins his journey. Don't expect the results to change much. At least not for some time to come.
What I'm excited about is the prospect of the unknown. An unknown future.
What I'm excited about is the prospect of the unknown. An unknown future.
It's funny how many people miss the point of your post and/or are so dug in on their misery that they almost want failure so they can proclaim how smart they are.
A really fun crowd.
If Jones can move the ball on 3rd down (which Eli was really really struggling with) the Defense will be much fresher
The punters leg will not be falling off and in an ice bath
Im hoping Daniel can energize the whole team, not just the offense
In pre-season he looked like the second coming of Johnny Unitas
Hopefully, that continues where it left off
I guess I somehow have to clarify that I didn't think Jones was going to turn things around to the affect of winning the next 14 games or something.
I guess I somehow have to clarify that I didn't think Jones was going to turn things around to the affect of winning the next 14 games or something.
This is close to what John Mara said in the pre-season, he said the thing he's looking for is that the team is improved from the begining of the season to the end.
Even he knew with the roster so young they had no shot at the playoffs
Hope - that's what this Sunday provides.
It's something that I don't think many had for awhile.
I hope we got it right and that brighter days are ahead
What has my attention is the leadership's reactionary style of management since DG took over. That leads to questions of having a vision, a plan, and if they're bringing in the right talent to win in the modern NFL.
Much to prove ahead. But, I do think it's clear Eli has been part of the downtrend, and he's out of the equation for now.
I want to be very excited but it’s hard to be with this defense. They have played some of the worst D I’ve ever seen. The only good news is there’s nowhere to go but up. I hope. I’m just hoping these guys give me reasons to stay excited.
As far as building something here. I agree we are. I like the overall course that DG is steering us. Where I disagree is the idea that acknowledging the weaknesses and tempering unreal expectations the impact of a rookie QB with limited assets to work with is somehow negative. It doesn't detract from the enjoyment of the process to be realistic. In fact, it enhances it. That said this roster needs another off season to compete. WR is a mess. OL needs more horses. Pass rush needs reinforcements.
Sunday will be fun, a lot of it. Probably moreso if you take off the blinders and untint your rose colored glasses. Enjoy it for what it is, a full on rebuilding season with a rookie QB.
And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.
Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.
If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.
of grey between those 3 options.
It marks a new era and the ‘Eli back 9’ era - irrespective of the blame and who was culpable - just had to end.
Might as well be optimistic; the unknown is part of the fun. There is a great chance this rebuild may be more Dan Reeves like than Tom
C but at least we will see the full Pat Shurmur o now.
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.
And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.
Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.
If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.
If I could will anything Giants related it would be for Eli to be 22 again.
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.
And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.
Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.
If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.
If I could will anything Giants related it would be for Eli to be 22 again.
Amen brother.
But I'm glad he's here to start Jones' career. He may not be here to end it, but I like him as a QB developer.
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Jones is a rookie starting his first game. It will be a learning experience, actually this whole year will be. It also doesn't fix the defense, r help with injuries. The team will not magically become a 10-6 team, even if it beats a lousy TB team. Frankly, IMO, I expect more of the same. This change to me is about Jones learning not much about winning immediately.
he’s not going to fix the Defense. But if he’s able to extend drives eat clock and put points on the board he can release some pressure and build some swagger
Agree. The defense is as bad as I’ve seen in decades, and it will not get better magically. Hopefully, the Giants offense will be able to score more than 12 non-garbage points per game, and they can pull out 2 or 3 high-scoring wins this year. Right now, however, every opponent looks formidable.
On the bigger point, though, you’re right: since mid-2012 we’ve seen the worst seven-year stretch of Giant football since George Young was in Miami. And it isn’t close.
Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?
Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.
Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?
Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable
Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.
Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?
Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable
Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.
I understand the sentiment, but I just want to say... If Jones comes in and we win, it won't necessarily mean Jones is better. We just needed to shake things up.
Eli wasn't the problem with this team. His style was ineffective and not a difference maker. The offense no longer suited him.
This isn't on Eli by a longshot. It's just time, unfortunately.
What a strange take... to care more about the general perception of Eli Manning than the Giants winning a game in Week 3.
Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.
In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.
That said, I became a Giants fan before I even knew Eli existed. He's not the reason I root for this team. I'm not rooting for fucking spite losses now that they've decided to play Jones. I thought Eli would get a little more time than this, but we're not winning games and don't look all that close to winning them right now, so it's hard to argue with the change.
I'll be damned if I root against Daniel or the team today out of some over the top attachment to Eli and valuing him over the entire franchise. That's insane to me.
And I think it's well known enough around here that I've had Eli's back all the way through. It's just time... the time comes for everyone.
Well it a shame you're not on board. Are you going to take up golf, gardening or something else to do on sundays?
Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.
In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.
a bit dramatic, but not unexpected...
As I said earlier in this thread... I am, was, and will always be a Giants fan.
hopefully soon...
You may hold the title now, but that's only because Dep was banned. lol