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I'm super excited for Sunday, as excited I've been in years.

Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 10:04 am
It kind of feels like a brand new season now, and hopefully, it can re-unite Giants fans that have been split for a couple of years on Manning, the direction of the organization, etc... This is something we can all get on together and be excited for. We're watching this really young team from the ground up, hopefully coming together and playing some good, competitive football. Something we haven't really seen in years.

I'm not putting this all Daniel Jones back, but I guess I'm more feeling like that the last era is now TRULY over, and Sunday begins a brand new one. Coughlin and Eli now belong to the annals of Giants history, and Barkley and Jones are hopefully going to make their own. For the first time in 16 years, this truly feels like a new beginning, and I'm excited.

Going all out to watch on Sunday, setting up the projector out in the garage, 100 inch screen, the works, rather than just going through the motions like I've been doing for a while.
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I don't think anyone thinks putting Jones in in 2019  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2019 2:23 pm : link
means we are going to get a bunch of wins and we are going to the postseason. I mean, would any of us complain if that were to happen? Of course not. But no one is actually expecting that to happen now that he is the starter.

More than anything, it's about getting him experience and getting through those growing pains, much like Eli went through in 2004. In 2005, Eli looked like a completely different QB which who knows if that would've happened if Eli didn't get that experience in the second half of 2004.

Hopefully, the same happens with Jones. There is no guarantee, of course. Jones might flop. He might not. But either way they have to find out and nothing was changing/getting better in those first two games, so why not get the kid experience and go from there?

But if anyone actually thinks anyone is expecting Jones to win a ton of games this season and lead us into the playoffs, I don't even know what to say..
RE: I don't think anyone thinks putting Jones in in 2019  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14589818 Dave in Hoboken said:
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But if anyone actually thinks anyone is expecting Jones to win a ton of games this season and lead us into the playoffs, I don't even know what to say..


Well, you know what they say - the most persuasive lies are the ones we tell ourselves.
I am energized by this move  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2019 2:30 pm : link
I really hope that Jones is the man!!! Unlike Greg I did like what I saw of him un college -- he's a spunky fighter and we need a spark in there right now.
I expect the usual on Sunday  
Geomon : 9/20/2019 2:33 pm : link
pain and suffering.
I personally will pull out of any more negativity on this thread  
NoGainDayne : 9/20/2019 2:37 pm : link
I think there is definitely a possibility that he's our QB of the future and I don't mind doing my best to help cultivate a good vibe around that.

Let's go DJ
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arcarsenal : 9/20/2019 2:38 pm : link
Haha. Of course this thread wound up this way.. what a surprise.
RE: Dnew15  
ron mexico : 9/20/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14589810 arniefez said:
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McAdoo was fired because he spoke out against the family in public. Not because of play on the field. There are two things that get Mara coaches fired. Empty stands or publicly embarrassing the Maras. McAdoo committed crime #2.


What did Mac say about the Maras?
They were fired  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 2:55 pm : link
b/c that team straight up quit and were an embarrassment.

Plus - MacAdoo and Reece bet the house on Smith being better than Eli and that backfired so they got run out.

DG and PS made the same bet. If DJ flops they'll get rid of everyone - this is a 14 game ticking time bomb for DG, PS and Danny J. If it explodes - everyone goes. Except this time, Eli wont't be to go back to.

The Giants will start from scratch with a new HC, GM, the #2 pick in the draft and Saquon.
'as excited I've been in years'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 3:05 pm : link
I love the Giants. I've seen every game since Ray Perkins was hired as HC. I look forward to every game even when the team is bad. The changing of the guard at QB is an energized moment.

That said don't be surprised if this club keeps losing. The defense is lousy. I do see some talent on that side of the ball and opportunity for long term improvement. There are 5 1st/2nd year starters and several others in key situational roles. It's going to take time. On offense even if Tate was available this is easily the worst starting WR group we planned to open the season with in many years. Tate, Shepard, Coleman and Lattimer as our Top 4? That's just not good enough and Tate's suspension exacerbated an already tenuous situation.

So temper your excitement with reality. Daniel Jones is the future and it's understandable he starts playing and begins his journey. Don't expect the results to change much. At least not for some time to come.
I don't expect the defense to get better overnight.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 3:09 pm : link
Frankly, I don't expect the defense to improve much at all this week.

What I'm excited about is the prospect of the unknown. An unknown future.
Well the passing game will be a lot more interesting  
Heisenberg : 9/20/2019 3:11 pm : link
Eli has been such a checkdown monster for the last few years. DJ seems like he will take some chances, which will undoubtedly lead to a wide variety of outcomes, good and bad.
'the passing game will be a lot more interesting'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 3:21 pm : link
Haha that could be true. Again don't expect it to get much better until the talent at WR gets bolstered. If Tate and Slayton eventually offer significant improvement personnel wise that could potentially tip the scales. Asking Jones to be the savior for an anemic offense with an average O-line and mediocre receiving corps is unlikely.
RE: I don't expect the defense to get better overnight.  
Chris684 : 9/20/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14589878 Britt in VA said:
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Frankly, I don't expect the defense to improve much at all this week.

What I'm excited about is the prospect of the unknown. An unknown future.


It's funny how many people miss the point of your post and/or are so dug in on their misery that they almost want failure so they can proclaim how smart they are.

A really fun crowd.

Well said  
Thegratefulhead : 9/20/2019 3:39 pm : link
I was going to make a similar post, eerily similar. GMTA. I feel the same way and have the same hopes for BBI.
one of the best ways to improve a defense  
Batenhorst : 9/20/2019 3:48 pm : link
is to keep them off the field

If Jones can move the ball on 3rd down (which Eli was really really struggling with) the Defense will be much fresher

The punters leg will not be falling off and in an ice bath

Im hoping Daniel can energize the whole team, not just the offense

In pre-season he looked like the second coming of Johnny Unitas
Hopefully, that continues where it left off
I think the important thing to remember now is that to some degree....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
wins and losses are not as important as team, and player growth.

I guess I somehow have to clarify that I didn't think Jones was going to turn things around to the affect of winning the next 14 games or something.
But rather it feels like we're building towards.....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
something.
RE: I think the important thing to remember now is that to some degree....  
cjac : 9/20/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14589928 Britt in VA said:
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wins and losses are not as important as team, and player growth.

I guess I somehow have to clarify that I didn't think Jones was going to turn things around to the affect of winning the next 14 games or something.


This is close to what John Mara said in the pre-season, he said the thing he's looking for is that the team is improved from the begining of the season to the end.

Even he knew with the roster so young they had no shot at the playoffs
Here is the quote i'm referencing  
cjac : 9/20/2019 3:56 pm : link
“We need to win some games,” Mara said. “I want to feel like at the end of the season we’re moving in the right direction. I’m not going to say it has to be a minimum number of games that we have to win, or we have to make the playoffs. I want to feel when I’m walking off the field after the last game of the season, whenever that is, that this franchise is headed in the right direction. That’s, to me, the most important thing.”
RE: But rather it feels like we're building towards.....  
Dnew15 : 9/20/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14589929 Britt in VA said:
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something.


Hope - that's what this Sunday provides.

It's something that I don't think many had for awhile.
How Jones  
Les in TO : 9/20/2019 4:02 pm : link
Performs this season and next is crucial. If his preseason performance carries over, we could be in for a decade of success like the Steelers and Packers had. If he turns out to be Dave Brown 2.0, Gettleman and Shurmur will be back on the sofa watching Matlock reruns and coordinating offenses and we may be tanking for Trevor in 2020.

I hope we got it right and that brighter days are ahead
Wins and losses are not as important as team, and player growth  
arniefez : 9/20/2019 4:07 pm : link
I don't agree. They need to win. They've been losing for way too long in the current NFL. Normally under these circumstances I'd be all in for 2-14 to get rid this HC who is probably never going to win anything in the NFL. But not after all this losing. It needs to turn around ASAP. I even though I highly doubt it I hope this HC can do it.
The problems are  
JonC : 9/20/2019 4:11 pm : link
they still lack talent at WR, and the defense needs another offseason (perhaps more) of infusing talent, and identifying players who are core or need to go.

What has my attention is the leadership's reactionary style of management since DG took over. That leads to questions of having a vision, a plan, and if they're bringing in the right talent to win in the modern NFL.

Much to prove ahead. But, I do think it's clear Eli has been part of the downtrend, and he's out of the equation for now.
I hope Jones is great  
illmatic : 9/20/2019 4:15 pm : link
But it seems like half the fans forget that he’s going to play like a rookie and it’s going to frustrate them. Fumbles, silly ints, botched plays, etc. Hopefully those will be limited but based on the excitement levels, it feels like a lot of people are thinking stuff like that won’t even happen.

I want to be very excited but it’s hard to be with this defense. They have played some of the worst D I’ve ever seen. The only good news is there’s nowhere to go but up. I hope. I’m just hoping these guys give me reasons to stay excited.
'In pre-season he looked like the second coming of Johnny Unitas'  
Torrag : 9/20/2019 4:35 pm : link
Oh boy. This is the sort of over expectation that is going to lead to high blood pressure for so many. Frankly it's not fair to Jones or yourself to go there.

As far as building something here. I agree we are. I like the overall course that DG is steering us. Where I disagree is the idea that acknowledging the weaknesses and tempering unreal expectations the impact of a rookie QB with limited assets to work with is somehow negative. It doesn't detract from the enjoyment of the process to be realistic. In fact, it enhances it. That said this roster needs another off season to compete. WR is a mess. OL needs more horses. Pass rush needs reinforcements.

Sunday will be fun, a lot of it. Probably moreso if you take off the blinders and untint your rose colored glasses. Enjoy it for what it is, a full on rebuilding season with a rookie QB.
i agree with most excitement here, and then i think, can Shurmercoach  
plato : 9/20/2019 5:39 pm : link
successfully a team that primarily is a run “first and again” team? I think, and i hope i’m am wrong, he can’t. Since that’s what the giants are or need to be, the chances are nothing much really changes. hopefully i’m wrong.
RE: I'm done going against Terps  
santacruzom : 9/21/2019 12:54 am : link
In comment 14589647 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.


Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.

If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.
should be exciting time  
hassan : 9/21/2019 2:15 am : link
.....this as a fan to me is similar to the late 90s or the mid 2000s. Team is fluid and rebuilding, we all hope the defense emerges and we don’t know if jones is a ‘Dave Brown’, a ‘Kerry Collins’, or a future ‘Eli’ and in fact a lot
of grey between those 3 options.

It marks a new era and the ‘Eli back 9’ era - irrespective of the blame and who was culpable - just had to end.

Might as well be optimistic; the unknown is part of the fun. There is a great chance this rebuild may be more Dan Reeves like than Tom
C but at least we will see the full Pat Shurmur o now.
RE: RE: I'm done going against Terps  
Go Terps : 9/21/2019 3:22 am : link
In comment 14590286 santacruzom said:
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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.




Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.

If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.


If I could will anything Giants related it would be for Eli to be 22 again.
RE: RE: RE: I'm done going against Terps  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14590293 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14589647 LawrenceTaylor56 said:


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he's been right about Beckham since day 1. Right about Eli since Day 1.

And to be honest, he's right about the Giants organization being a rudderless ship.




Yep. I think he's some sort of Twilight Zone demon who seemingly wills his predictions into reality.

If only he'd harness his power for the good of the team. Predict a 2500 yard, 30 td season for Barkley. Predict Jones shatters all first year QB records. Dexter Lawrence becomes Bryant Young meets Haloti Ngata. Etc.



If I could will anything Giants related it would be for Eli to be 22 again.

Amen brother.
I agree.  
Rick5 : 9/21/2019 9:41 am : link
The only thing that tempers my enthusiasm a bit is that in 2004 I knew Coughlin was a proven winner. Shurmur still has much to prove...
I'm excited too!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/21/2019 9:49 am : link
I want to see Jones, calm and accurate. Whatever the outcome, just want to see him display good fundamentals. Win would be nice too!
And I know Shurmur is a punching bag right now  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/21/2019 9:50 am : link
and rightfully so.

But I'm glad he's here to start Jones' career. He may not be here to end it, but I like him as a QB developer.
RE: RE: I'm concerned fans are putting too much hope in this change  
D_Giants : 9/22/2019 1:05 am : link
In comment 14589722 Les in TO said:
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Jones is a rookie starting his first game. It will be a learning experience, actually this whole year will be. It also doesn't fix the defense, r help with injuries. The team will not magically become a 10-6 team, even if it beats a lousy TB team. Frankly, IMO, I expect more of the same. This change to me is about Jones learning not much about winning immediately.

he’s not going to fix the Defense. But if he’s able to extend drives eat clock and put points on the board he can release some pressure and build some swagger


Agree. The defense is as bad as I’ve seen in decades, and it will not get better magically. Hopefully, the Giants offense will be able to score more than 12 non-garbage points per game, and they can pull out 2 or 3 high-scoring wins this year. Right now, however, every opponent looks formidable.
That's interesting OP  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 2:12 am : link
I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.
Jcn56: You became a fan in the early 80s?  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/22/2019 9:51 am : link
Damn, John - I was sure you went through the 70s with the rest of us torture survivors. You didn’t live through The Fumble? The Craig Morton trade? Rocky Thompson? John Hicks? Wellington Mara drafting based on Street & Smith’s magazine and tips from his neighbors? Granted, 1980 and 1983 were tough years; but jeez, the most dominant player in NFL history joined the Giants in 1981, and made the team watchable even when they stunk.

On the bigger point, though, you’re right: since mid-2012 we’ve seen the worst seven-year stretch of Giant football since George Young was in Miami. And it isn’t close.
RE: That's interesting OP  
BigBlueShock : 9/22/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.

Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable
RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
weaverpsu : 9/22/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14591164 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:


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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable


Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.
Getting pumped up  
ron mexico : 9/22/2019 10:50 am : link
Gonna be a long 5 tours til kickoff
RE: RE: RE: That's interesting OP  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14591219 weaverpsu said:
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In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:


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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Uh, wtf? It’s a lose, lose? If they win the game, they still lose? Because you care more about Eli than the Giants?

Gtfo with this nonsense. Unbelievable



Yes I do. Eventually it will go away. But not this game.


I understand the sentiment, but I just want to say... If Jones comes in and we win, it won't necessarily mean Jones is better. We just needed to shake things up.

Eli wasn't the problem with this team. His style was ineffective and not a difference maker. The offense no longer suited him.

This isn't on Eli by a longshot. It's just time, unfortunately.
RE: That's interesting OP  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


What a strange take... to care more about the general perception of Eli Manning than the Giants winning a game in Week 3.
Manning is at the point in his career where he needs....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 10:58 am : link
to be on a solid team that can maximize his talents.

Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.

In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2019 11:03 am : link
I've posted my take on Eli several times over, and obviously do not think this is his fault - rather, a lot of blame should be placed at the feet of the organization for failing him for so long.

That said, I became a Giants fan before I even knew Eli existed. He's not the reason I root for this team. I'm not rooting for fucking spite losses now that they've decided to play Jones. I thought Eli would get a little more time than this, but we're not winning games and don't look all that close to winning them right now, so it's hard to argue with the change.

I'll be damned if I root against Daniel or the team today out of some over the top attachment to Eli and valuing him over the entire franchise. That's insane to me.

And I think it's well known enough around here that I've had Eli's back all the way through. It's just time... the time comes for everyone.
RE: That's interesting OP  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14591018 weaverpsu said:
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I'm not excited at all. This was a game I thought they would win with Eli. Now? If they win it's because Jones is better than Eli? That will be the narrative and I'm not on board. It's a lose, lose. Only thing to look forward to is Saquon.


Well it a shame you're not on board. Are you going to take up golf, gardening or something else to do on sundays?

I do see Jones playing well overall today and that is the good news  
guineaT : 9/22/2019 11:05 am : link
I doubt we win the game. Three things holding us back. Defense isn't ready yet. Shurmur's refusal to commit to Saquon. The receivers, Shep and possibly Slayton are the only ones that belong in a starting lineup.
RE: Manning is at the point in his career where he needs....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14591238 Britt in VA said:
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to be on a solid team that can maximize his talents.

Our ownership/leadership has failed to put that around him for a long time.

In some ways, this is merciful. That's how I see it.


a bit dramatic, but not unexpected...
Yeah, I think it goes without saying that I've supported Manning....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:08 am : link
more than anybody else on this site. Over the top even. He goes out with a .500 record, and I think we'll look back on this as a gift. He doesn't deserve to go out with a losing record, that's not indicative of who he is or was to this team, even though he's a captain willing to go down with the ship record be damned. He always put the Giants above himself, I'm certain of it.

As I said earlier in this thread... I am, was, and will always be a Giants fan.
What's dramatic about it?  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 11:10 am : link
Not that I want to argue, but seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Are you sure you are going to be okay today?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:13 am : link
Its a tough page to turn for some of you all, but the Giants have actually had other QBs not-named Eli win games for them in the past and they will in the future.

hopefully soon...
RE: Yeah, I think it goes without saying that I've supported Manning....  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14591259 Britt in VA said:
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more than anybody else on this site.


You may hold the title now, but that's only because Dep was banned. lol
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