Engram contract extension / 5th year option

This team is talent bereft. We need to accumulate it.

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but who else is part of this trend (curious, not being a dick)?

I definitely pick up his option, but I don't see any rush to agree to an extension.

Peppers - based on these 1st 2 games I'm declining his option, but there's a long way to go.

Also, I think the WR option was only like ~$9M, so the TE/S option I imagine is significantly less.

heck no. Not a big play threat, not a 50/50 receiver or a high pointer. Basically a skinny possession TE.

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but who else is part of this trend (curious, not being a dick)? I definitely pick up his option, but I don't see any rush to agree to an extension. Peppers - based on these 1st 2 games I'm declining his option, but there's a long way to go. Also, I think the WR option was only like ~$9M, so the TE/S option I imagine is significantly less.

I mostly am getting this from the Cowboys
dak should get his done shortly
Jaylon Smith got his

Maybe trend is overstating it

This is the final year of their deals.

staying healthy and being dependable for Jones will be goal. If both of those happen then I want to extension. If not, we have some thinking to do.

before he has a huge year and his cost goes up exponentially. Without OBJ he's far too important for us to lose.

with recent extensions - all may not be perfect fits

Jared Goff
Tyreek Hill
Nick Martin Center for Houston
Tyler Higbee TE for Rams
Cody Whitehair Guard for Chicago

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before he has a huge year and his cost goes up exponentially. Without OBJ he's far too important for us to lose.

that's a pretty dangerous precedence to set. He hasn't earned it yet, and isn't yet a top TE. Usually getting paid early is a reward for the top players because they can actually make demands, or their play is needed and the team rewards them.

If Engram misses another 2-4 games you'd feel good about extending him?

We have cap room, if he has a great year and his value goes up, so be it. It's better to have to pay that than pay 80-90% of it and have a player we don't want anymore.

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before he has a huge year and his cost goes up exponentially. Without OBJ he's far too important for us to lose.

They can't sign him to an extension until this year is over.

He's an important part of this offense.

before their original deals are up. It has worked out pretty well for them thus far.

In comment 14589404 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14589390 giants#1 said: Quote: but who else is part of this trend (curious, not being a dick)? I definitely pick up his option, but I don't see any rush to agree to an extension. Peppers - based on these 1st 2 games I'm declining his option, but there's a long way to go. Also, I think the WR option was only like ~$9M, so the TE/S option I imagine is significantly less. I mostly am getting this from the Cowboys dak should get his done shortly Jaylon Smith got his Maybe trend is overstating it

I was thinking the same (is it a trend) but thinking further, maybe it's the beginning of a trend. To add to your above with the Cowboys; I've heard Mahommes will likely get done early. Wasn't Sterling Sheppard early (although no 5th year option for him)? Maybe we are starting to see a trend.

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before their original deals are up. It has worked out pretty well for them thus far.

Generally works out best for player and team. Player gets money, Team saves a little on the backend due to the yearly inflation of contracts. If it is a guy you know you want to resign you should do it.

entering the final year of his rookie deal. Equivalent to extending a 1st round pick after their 4th season, before they play under the option year.

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In comment 14589460 jcn56 said: Quote: before their original deals are up. It has worked out pretty well for them thus far. Generally works out best for player and team. Player gets money, Team saves a little on the backend due to the yearly inflation of contracts. If it is a guy you know you want to resign you should do it.

They tend to save more than a little - they were extending guys 3 years in, with at least a year or two left on the existing contracts. The player hasn't reached their peak value, but they're also able to offset the risk of injury by getting the guaranteed money sooner. This way, the Eagles would extend a player on a second contract that ended earlier than most, and if they player met expectations, could cash in a second time around. For the Eagles, it was a lower risk/reward since the contract didn't pay the player at their peak.

I'd use the Shepard blue print and extend him on top of his rookie deal and keep the cheap 4th year.

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I'd use the Shepard blue print and extend him on top of his rookie deal and keep the cheap 4th year.

Shepard deal probably will prove to be a mistake. Engram has been injured as often and has not been consistent yet.

If he steps up this year, I would give Engram the 5th year option and take my chances on the rest.

and productive, I would try to work out a deal sometime before exercising the 5th year option. This is because I am generally with the players and against all the ways ownership has to put off paying players who have earned a new, bigger, deals. I think Engram will continue to get better and a stay a big part of the offense, even when they get more talent at WR, or any talent.

rumblings that the Giants were listening to offers for him in the offseason? And with all the TEs that they have been signing who really aren't in the same general category (ie- more blocking, less receiving), I wonder if the Giants view him as part of their long range plan.

Honestly, if I'm Mara, I'm waiting to see how things shake out this year and into 2020. If the Giants start winning in 2020 and Daniel Jones looks like the real deal, then we know a housecleaning isn't coming and the Giants can really start looking at long term contracts for their roster.

In comment 14589715 Matt in SGS said:

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rumblings that the Giants were listening to offers for him in the offseason? And with all the TEs that they have been signing who really aren't in the same general category (ie- more blocking, less receiving), I wonder if the Giants view him as part of their long range plan. Honestly, if I'm Mara, I'm waiting to see how things shake out this year and into 2020. If the Giants start winning in 2020 and Daniel Jones looks like the real deal, then we know a housecleaning isn't coming and the Giants can really start looking at long term contracts for their roster.

If that's honestly the way they're thinking, this is going to be one long term disaster.

It's one thing to think Engram isn't talented and worthy of extension. It's another to say 'well, we don't know what this team is yet' - that could easily extend for the next 3-4 years. If you keep doing that, you'll be in rebuild limbo forever.

But if can get him at good rate, say under $8MM, then that could be compelling. 4 yrs / $30MM / $12MM guaranteed would work.

what is the difference between him and Brandon myers?

Oh yeah … the up-side is Myers only lasted here for one year. the stench of first round reaches for Jerry Reach lingers around here thanks to Engram. He sucks.

Which is post-Beckham with him as essentially the primary receiving target:

Total: 39 rec 53 tgts 484 yds 2 TDs 12.4 y/r
Per Game: 6.5 rec 8.8 tgts (73.6% ctc%) 81 yds 0.3 TDs

Other TEs per game (2018)
Ertz: 7.25 rec (74.4% ctch%) 0.5 TDs 73 yds
Kelce: 6.4 rec (68.7% ctch%) 0.6 TDs 84 yds
Kittle: 5.5 rec (64.7 ctch%) 0.3 TDs 86 yds

If Engram can produce the way he has in his last 6 games, he'd produce numbers as good as any TE in the league. And I believe there was a next gen stats article this offseason that said Engram gets as much separation as any TE and significantly more than Ertz, so there's no reason to think these #s aren't sustainable.

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Which is post-Beckham with him as essentially the primary receiving target: Total: 39 rec 53 tgts 484 yds 2 TDs 12.4 y/r Per Game: 6.5 rec 8.8 tgts (73.6% ctc%) 81 yds 0.3 TDs Other TEs per game (2018) Ertz: 7.25 rec (74.4% ctch%) 0.5 TDs 73 yds Kelce: 6.4 rec (68.7% ctch%) 0.6 TDs 84 yds Kittle: 5.5 rec (64.7 ctch%) 0.3 TDs 86 yds If Engram can produce the way he has in his last 6 games, he'd produce numbers as good as any TE in the league. And I believe there was a next gen stats article this offseason that said Engram gets as much separation as any TE and significantly more than Ertz, so there's no reason to think these #s aren't sustainable.

Aren't those three in-line players with significantly better blocking than EE? If so, wouldn't they then, if the points you raise being equal, therefore have more value. Receiving TEs can certainly have role and be quite valuable, but then one expects more receiving production to offset the lesser blocking. If it's only the same then the team is missing production.

has lived up to his draft position. He's flashed ability, but I need to see more. I lean towards signing the 5th year option though. Let's see if he can be part of the new Daniel Jones offense.

But unless we start using him and 12 personnel better (why aren't we constantly in 12 with our WR issues???) then I don't see the point in extending him. The best option is probably to trade him. He's not doing anything special in this offense that someone else can't.

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But unless we start using him and 12 personnel better (why aren't we constantly in 12 with our WR issues???) then I don't see the point in extending him. The best option is probably to trade him. He's not doing anything special in this offense that someone else can't.

He is 3rd in receiving yards so far after facing two excellent defences. If you want to play more 12 then he's pretty much essential.

-Given the 2020 draft needs at other positions, a 5th year option seems obvious;
-DG's philosophy is about extending desired players on reasonable deals, not buying retail in FA (e.g. Sterling Shepard). Engram is the 27th highest paid TE in 2019 (Ellison, extended by Reese, is 13th.) How high on the list does Engram expect to be?
-He hasn't proven he can stay healthy. If he goes down again early, why lock into him for multiple years?; If he stays healthy through 2019 and performs above expectation, try to extend him at a reasonable cost;
-What will Shurmur's offense look like with Jones? Can Engram's blocking make him interchangeable with a third wide/vertical threat? Would Shurmur rather have a vertical threat or Engram on the field? Can he field both and still protect the pocket? Lots to unfold.

Pivotal year ahead

In comment 14589860 MM_in_NYC said:

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Aren't those three in-line players with significantly better blocking than EE? If so, wouldn't they then, if the points you raise being equal, therefore have more value. Receiving TEs can certainly have role and be quite valuable, but then one expects more receiving production to offset the lesser blocking. If it's only the same then the team is missing production.

None of those guys are Gronk. They are certainly receivers first, blockers 2nd. Especially Ertz.