Eli vs Jones Arm Strength?

kept saying Jones didn't have much arm strength.

but also his accuracy... Jones has a stronger arm in regards to throwing the ball 30+ yards, but he is also more accurate on those throws. He also has a faster more accurate fastball that allows him to fit the ball into tight spaces, allowing the Giants to call more RPO and quick outs.
More importantly, is DJ's accuracy and touch. We'll see better execution on screen passes because of his accuracy and ability to throw on the run.

simply enough is just Jones' ability to consistently throw a tight spiral. It makes a huge difference with accuracy and velocity.

In comment 14589499 Everyone Relax said:

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simply enough is just Jones' ability to consistently throw a tight spiral. It makes a huge difference with accuracy and velocity.

The one thing I think that's really going to help Jones with is throwing in the wind. A nice attribute to have playing in Metlife Stadium!

over the past few seasons, how much is open to speculation. The word on Jones coming out of the draft was that his arm was good, not great, but it still may be an upgrade on what Eli can do now. His arm appeared to me to be pretty strong, and I wonder how much of that is due to having professional coaches drilling him on footwork.

Jones has shown the ability to be really accurate on the back shoulder throw in preseason, so that should help him throw WR's open.

Has changed their tune and their story since before the draft.

Even on objective points. He didn't have an arm. Wasn't accurate. Now he's all that and more.

he used to be able to do it, he was great at it in 2011 (those 2 throws in the 4th quarter of the JPP game against the Cowboys wow, saved our season and ignited the SB run). But the last few years, he has absolutely stunk at throwing from awkward angles/stances. It's been his biggest weakness imo.

Jones has the athleticism to get out of the pocket and make throws on the run. We still need to see how much power he can get behind his throws from awkward angles, but it does seem like he'll be a clear upgrade to Eli in this respect.

In comment 14589511 David B. said:

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Has changed their tune and their story since before the draft. Even on objective points. He didn't have an arm. Wasn't accurate. Now he's all that and more.

this isn't the case at all...

It kind of is.

Go back and read the draft guides. Those people had Jones anywhere from mid 2nd round to low 1st round.

Arm strength is overrated.......until it isn't imo.

Jones throws a very tight spiral thus which is a big plus later in the season in the wind and cold. We also will have to see how he does with adversity. Can he still make all the throws after taking a beating?


Better defenses will be a good indicator when enough tape exists on Jones. At that point they can scheme better to take away some through's forcing tougher throws.

Great example is Eli to Manningham and how Belichick schemed. That was a big time through showing arm strength in a very tight window. Playoff football seems to really show the relevance of this trait.

In comment 14589519 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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he used to be able to do it, he was great at it in 2011 (those 2 throws in the 4th quarter of the JPP game against the Cowboys wow, saved our season and ignited the SB run). But the last few years, he has absolutely stunk at throwing from awkward angles/stances. It's been his biggest weakness imo. Jones has the athleticism to get out of the pocket and make throws on the run. We still need to see how much power he can get behind his throws from awkward angles, but it does seem like he'll be a clear upgrade to Eli in this respect.

In 2011, I was amazed in the few moments when his feet WERE set

But not now. His long ball has really declined, as well as the telltale outs

I read that Jones had the weakest arm of the group in camp. This offense rarely throws the ball deep which is incredibly frustrating. I don't see why it would get better unless Slayton can get open downfield. (If he plays) Shurmer is a fool who doesn't take advantage of having Saquon and running play-action nearly as much as he should. Seemed like every pass Mariota threw was off play-action. Too bad he sucks...

In comment 14589668 Vanzetti said:

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But not now. His long ball has really declined, as well as the telltale outs

Disagree. He threw an out against the Bengals that the Bengals announcers couldn't shut up about. They were very impressed and so was I.

Oline doesn't hold up long enough for patterns that would push either one's arm strength.

In comment 14589889 weaverpsu said:

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In comment 14589668 Vanzetti said: Quote: But not now. His long ball has really declined, as well as the telltale outs Disagree. He threw an out against the Bengals that the Bengals announcers couldn't shut up about. They were very impressed and so was I.

It's not whether he can do it all, it's whether he could consistently make that throw. I have my doubts, and we sure haven't seen a lot of those kinds of throws. I feel like we can all point to 1 or 2 throws a game where it looks like Eli at 28 years old.

But that's decline in a nutshell. Yeah he could still do it. Just not like he used to.

that Jones had the weakest arm out of all 4 QB's. After seeing Jones play in pre-season that seems absurd. His arm strength looked very solid in preseason - and I say this as someone who was pretty concerned about his arm strength after we drafted him.

Anyway based on preseason his arm strength looks light years ahead of where Eli's is right now.

and it's really affected his accuracy. Jones easily has the better arm now.

At best, it's probably a C+/B- type. Which may be good enough, but no one should be confusing his arm talent in the plus-category.

Eli had a very good arm when he came into the league. It's declined, but I don't think it's < than Jones's. Eli struggles more with his mechanics, decision making, and feeling ghosts.

often too high. Poor on the screens. Wasn't he pretty good on deep seam and deep outs in old days?

I was talking to someone at my FF draft, an IND fan that was making Luck to Brissett comps - about how even tho JB is decent, the switch from Luck to him was huge for targets in terms of the clean spiral & placement

I love Eli but you can watch and see he's not as precise particularly in short - mid range (IMO watch just his throws to SB this yr - even some of the catches were not so good). He CAN hit those and got hot at times but was never consistent. DJ has a ton to prove but this seems one of his strengths

Said it b4, as a bballer & shooter in a former life, it made a HUGE difference when & where the ball hit my hands - in my shooting pocket, catchable but close, or way off so I had to move my feet THEN reset. Huge difference in my FG% b/t those...

In comment 14589921 bw in dc said:

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At best, it's probably a C+/B- type. Which may be good enough, but no one should be confusing his arm talent in the plus-category. Eli had a very good arm when he came into the league. It's declined, but I don't think it's < than Jones's. Eli struggles more with his mechanics, decision making, and feeling ghosts.

Sure if his feet are set. Eli's arm looks out and out weak when he is on the move and not moving down hill or off his back foot. He can still muster it in there when he steps into it, which is probably why these issues didn't show up in camp.

In comment 14590053 ChaChing said:

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I was talking to someone at my FF draft, an IND fan that was making Luck to Brissett comps - about how even tho JB is decent, the switch from Luck to him was huge for targets in terms of the clean spiral & placement I love Eli but you can watch and see he's not as precise particularly in short - mid range (IMO watch just his throws to SB this yr - even some of the catches were not so good). He CAN hit those and got hot at times but was never consistent. DJ has a ton to prove but this seems one of his strengths Said it b4, as a bballer & shooter in a former life, it made a HUGE difference when & where the ball hit my hands - in my shooting pocket, catchable but close, or way off so I had to move my feet THEN reset. Huge difference in my FG% b/t those...

Yeah drives me nuts when people are like it hit him in the hands. Well yeah, but the QB just made an easy catch into a tough one. You tell your WRs that type of shit because you expect excellence from them. Can't excuse "drops". If a guy rifles a duck into you from fifteen yards away you won't catch it clean no matter who you are. It is either going to be a double catch or a drop.

If pre-season was any indication, what stuck out to me the most about Jones wasn't the arm strength, but that he threw a a really accurate ball with just the right amount of touch on it... a really catchable ball. Just look at his completion percentage for evidence of that.

many tipped balls and interceptions. Eli really never learned, except maybe for one season, to keep the ball down.His mechanics were always off.
that in my opinion will be a better change with Jones than arm strength.High balls are worst form of “inaccuracy”.

A faster qb gets to the edge quicker which drastically changes the throwing lanes. It’s not even about arm strength. It’s all timing and jones is deadly accurate.

Ita actually pretty tough to run rollout passing plays if you can't get that LB to respect the threat of the run.

In comment 14589557 David B. said:

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It kind of is. Go back and read the draft guides. Those people had Jones anywhere from mid 2nd round to low 1st round.

That's what I remember too and why I was shocked the Giants picked him #6.

Jones wasn't asked to make a bunch of long throws in pre-season, but he made a bunch of intermediate throws with good zip.

Manning had a big time arm in his prime. It was never crisp, but he could get the ball everywhere.

Some on BBI cooked up this really ragged notion QBs don't lose arm as they age, which is the silliest take. Manning lost plenty as he aged.

Some even said he had to "hop" to get a longer ball out, and that his throws put too much air under them. People also said he couldn't throw the long out to the sideline. I never believed them personally because he looked good to me, and reports from camp were that he had a good arm.

But I'm sure a little search will find many threads on Jones perceived lack of arm strength.