As I was reading the stories concerning the game against the Tampa Bay Bucs this Sunday I am constantly reading that there is going to be new opportunities for this offense because of Daniel Jones' arm strength.
Question for you guys: After seeing everything on Daniel Jones so far do you guys think there is a big difference in arm strength between him and Eli?
More importantly, is DJ's accuracy and touch. We'll see better execution on screen passes because of his accuracy and ability to throw on the run.
The one thing I think that's really going to help Jones with is throwing in the wind. A nice attribute to have playing in Metlife Stadium!
Jones has shown the ability to be really accurate on the back shoulder throw in preseason, so that should help him throw WR's open.
Even on objective points. He didn't have an arm. Wasn't accurate. Now he's all that and more.
Jones has the athleticism to get out of the pocket and make throws on the run. We still need to see how much power he can get behind his throws from awkward angles, but it does seem like he'll be a clear upgrade to Eli in this respect.
Even on objective points. He didn't have an arm. Wasn't accurate. Now he's all that and more.
this isn't the case at all...
Go back and read the draft guides. Those people had Jones anywhere from mid 2nd round to low 1st round.
Jones throws a very tight spiral thus which is a big plus later in the season in the wind and cold. We also will have to see how he does with adversity. Can he still make all the throws after taking a beating?
Better defenses will be a good indicator when enough tape exists on Jones. At that point they can scheme better to take away some through's forcing tougher throws.
Great example is Eli to Manningham and how Belichick schemed. That was a big time through showing arm strength in a very tight window. Playoff football seems to really show the relevance of this trait.
Jones has the athleticism to get out of the pocket and make throws on the run. We still need to see how much power he can get behind his throws from awkward angles, but it does seem like he'll be a clear upgrade to Eli in this respect.
In 2011, I was amazed in the few moments when his feet WERE set
Disagree. He threw an out against the Bengals that the Bengals announcers couldn't shut up about. They were very impressed and so was I.
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But not now. His long ball has really declined, as well as the telltale outs
Disagree. He threw an out against the Bengals that the Bengals announcers couldn't shut up about. They were very impressed and so was I.
It's not whether he can do it all, it's whether he could consistently make that throw. I have my doubts, and we sure haven't seen a lot of those kinds of throws. I feel like we can all point to 1 or 2 throws a game where it looks like Eli at 28 years old.
But that's decline in a nutshell. Yeah he could still do it. Just not like he used to.
Anyway based on preseason his arm strength looks light years ahead of where Eli's is right now.
Eli had a very good arm when he came into the league. It's declined, but I don't think it's < than Jones's. Eli struggles more with his mechanics, decision making, and feeling ghosts.
I love Eli but you can watch and see he's not as precise particularly in short - mid range (IMO watch just his throws to SB this yr - even some of the catches were not so good). He CAN hit those and got hot at times but was never consistent. DJ has a ton to prove but this seems one of his strengths
Said it b4, as a bballer & shooter in a former life, it made a HUGE difference when & where the ball hit my hands - in my shooting pocket, catchable but close, or way off so I had to move my feet THEN reset. Huge difference in my FG% b/t those...
Eli had a very good arm when he came into the league. It's declined, but I don't think it's < than Jones's. Eli struggles more with his mechanics, decision making, and feeling ghosts.
Sure if his feet are set. Eli's arm looks out and out weak when he is on the move and not moving down hill or off his back foot. He can still muster it in there when he steps into it, which is probably why these issues didn't show up in camp.
I love Eli but you can watch and see he's not as precise particularly in short - mid range (IMO watch just his throws to SB this yr - even some of the catches were not so good). He CAN hit those and got hot at times but was never consistent. DJ has a ton to prove but this seems one of his strengths
Said it b4, as a bballer & shooter in a former life, it made a HUGE difference when & where the ball hit my hands - in my shooting pocket, catchable but close, or way off so I had to move my feet THEN reset. Huge difference in my FG% b/t those...
Yeah drives me nuts when people are like it hit him in the hands. Well yeah, but the QB just made an easy catch into a tough one. You tell your WRs that type of shit because you expect excellence from them. Can't excuse "drops". If a guy rifles a duck into you from fifteen yards away you won't catch it clean no matter who you are. It is either going to be a double catch or a drop.
that in my opinion will be a better change with Jones than arm strength.High balls are worst form of “inaccuracy”.
Go back and read the draft guides. Those people had Jones anywhere from mid 2nd round to low 1st round.
That's what I remember too and why I was shocked the Giants picked him #6.
Manning had a big time arm in his prime. It was never crisp, but he could get the ball everywhere.
Some on BBI cooked up this really ragged notion QBs don't lose arm as they age, which is the silliest take. Manning lost plenty as he aged.
But I'm sure a little search will find many threads on Jones perceived lack of arm strength.