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Tiki Barber's take on the Manning to Jones QB transition

RC in MD : 9/20/2019 1:07 pm
"Tiki and Tierney discuss the New York Giants decision to bench Eli Manning for rookie quarterback Daniel Jones."

I thought this segment was interesting, especially since Tiki was around for the transition from Kerry Collins to Eli Manning. Now he is providing his honest opinion on the current transition process. And while there are many, who still consider Tiki a pariah, I find his opinion on this to be one that most Giants fans would agree with.
The Daniel Jones Era Begins, NY Giants Bench Eli Manning | Tiki + Tierney - ( New Window )
Tiki has become  
johnnyb : 9/20/2019 1:09 pm : link
less controversial over the past year or two and more insightful. It seems his bitterness has died down.
We will here a lot about it on Sunday  
Scyber : 9/20/2019 1:09 pm : link
I think him and Ronde are part of the announcing crew.
RE: Tiki has become  
90.Cal : 9/20/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14589705 johnnyb said:
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less controversial over the past year or two and more insightful. It seems his bitterness has died down.


Definitely not as bitter.
See I never really got the impression that Tiki was bitter  
Scyber : 9/20/2019 1:25 pm : link
More that he would always say what he thought was the truth and didn't know when to STFU.

When he commented about Strahan's contract negotiation: He honestly believed Strahan should be more focused on football, but he should have just STFU.

When he said the giants were "out coached": This is probably his most bitter moment, but he was probably more pissed about losing than anything else. And he was probably right. And he should have just STFU.

When he "announced" his retirement early: He didn't really announce it all. A reporter was shadowing him for a day and asked him whether he was retiring based on the way he was talking. So Tiki admitted that he was. But he should have just STFU. Some people think he leaked it on purpose to try and build more hype for a post playing career, which, if true, wouldn't have been a bitter move.

When he said Eli was "comical" during his rookie here in the huddle: I mean, lets be honest, Eli has a pretty goofy low key demeanor, it probably did seem "comical" to the vets. Especially those used to Shockey also being the huddle. But once again, he should have just STFU.

Now I don't think he liked playing for TC (no surprise), but I don't think its bitterness that causes his comments. I think he honestly believes what he says is true and doesn't know when to STFU.
RE: See I never really got the impression that Tiki was bitter  
allstarjim : 9/20/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14589730 Scyber said:
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More that he would always say what he thought was the truth and didn't know when to STFU.

When he commented about Strahan's contract negotiation: He honestly believed Strahan should be more focused on football, but he should have just STFU.

When he said the giants were "out coached": This is probably his most bitter moment, but he was probably more pissed about losing than anything else. And he was probably right. And he should have just STFU.

When he "announced" his retirement early: He didn't really announce it all. A reporter was shadowing him for a day and asked him whether he was retiring based on the way he was talking. So Tiki admitted that he was. But he should have just STFU. Some people think he leaked it on purpose to try and build more hype for a post playing career, which, if true, wouldn't have been a bitter move.

When he said Eli was "comical" during his rookie here in the huddle: I mean, lets be honest, Eli has a pretty goofy low key demeanor, it probably did seem "comical" to the vets. Especially those used to Shockey also being the huddle. But once again, he should have just STFU.

Now I don't think he liked playing for TC (no surprise), but I don't think its bitterness that causes his comments. I think he honestly believes what he says is true and doesn't know when to STFU.


Correct. I never thought he was bitter, either. I think as far as bitterness dying down some it's been the other way around. The NY fans not as militantly anti-Tiki as they used to be (with a fair share of hold-outs).
He still sounds so smarmy to me  
Bill L : 9/20/2019 2:33 pm : link
Maybe that's why I don't pay much attention to what he has to say.
He sounded  
HoustonGiant : 9/20/2019 2:42 pm : link
very reasonable and a proponent of the Giants. The other yo-yo had to try and interject something inflammatory.
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arcarsenal : 9/20/2019 2:48 pm : link
Sehorn seemed much more critical of the Giants than Barber
Tiki also seemed like a smart and perceptive guy...  
penkap75 : 9/20/2019 3:25 pm : link
But sometimes STFU is the more appropriate thing to do.

He could have had a Strahan-like post NFL career except he is too honest and not political correct fake enough.
Tiki had no stellar media career  
fkap : 9/20/2019 5:17 pm : link
because he doesn't have a very charismatic persona.
He was a name brand for his NFL career, but he just doesn't have the 'it' factor when it comes to being on screen.
RE: Tiki also seemed like a smart and perceptive guy...  
FStubbs : 9/20/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14589895 penkap75 said:
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But sometimes STFU is the more appropriate thing to do.

He could have had a Strahan-like post NFL career except he is too honest and not political correct fake enough.


That's the ultimate irony - Strahan has had the post NFL career Tiki was meticulously trying to craft for himself.
Maybe I misinterpreted Tiki's retirement comments but I felt like he  
Ivan15 : 9/20/2019 5:29 pm : link
was saying that the years with Coughlin showed him what it really took to perform at a high level, and he was retiring because he no longer wanted to push himself that hard.

As to leaking and confirming his retirement during the season, he was entitled to a farewell tour and when would you have preferred him to announce it? Before the season, he probably wasn't sure he wanted to retire. After the season, there would have been a whole offseason of speculation about whether he was really serious. I actually think the announcement, such as it was, was well timed.
RE: Tiki had no stellar media career  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14590025 fkap said:
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because he doesn't have a very charismatic persona.
He was a name brand for his NFL career, but he just doesn't have the 'it' factor when it comes to being on screen.
On-camera work is harder than it looks. But it can also be learned. He might end up being better at it than his early work indicated.
Tiki left his pregnant wife for another woman  
gtt350 : 9/20/2019 9:24 pm : link
who the hell does that? He's a slime ball
Kerry Collins .....  
short lease : 9/20/2019 9:53 pm : link
I thought he took over for Kurt Warner (and that's why the chip?).

My bad ....
lol ....  
short lease : 9/20/2019 9:55 pm : link

"Any analyst worth his weight ... like myself."
RE: Tiki has become  
santacruzom : 9/20/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14589705 johnnyb said:
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less controversial over the past year or two and more insightful. It seems his bitterness has died down.


His bitterness or ours?
Stop. Tiki was a bitter idiot- lets not rewrite history here  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2019 11:00 pm : link
Maybe now he's better ok, but back then he was a jerk
RE: Kerry Collins .....  
steve in ky : 9/21/2019 12:21 am : link
In comment 14590220 short lease said:
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I thought he took over for Kurt Warner (and that's why the chip?).

My bad ....


The Giants offered Collins the opportunity of staying and being the "mentor" until Eli was ready, but he didn't want that role and chose to move on. Collins was the Giants starter that was being replaced with Eli, Warner only entered the picture once Collins decided he didn't want to stay. So while technically yes Eli took over for Warner, he did in fact replace Collins in the organization.
RE: Tiki has become  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/21/2019 7:28 am : link
In comment 14589705 johnnyb said:
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less controversial over the past year or two and more insightful. It seems his bitterness has died down.


He couldnít have handled his transition out of football worse if he had meant to do it. He was an arrogant ass. The situation of leaving your pregnant wife even if it had nothing to do w bis work awning a broadcaster wasnít very helpful.

He did it to himself. He surely paid a price. And it doesnít mean he canít have good insight on this or other football issue. He just learned a hard hard lesson.
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