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NFT: Mets at Reds Game 1

ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 6:07 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo – CF
Jeff McNeil – 3B
Pete Alonso – 1B
Robinson Cano – 2B
Wilson Ramos – C
Michael Conforto – RF
J.D. Davis – LF
Amed Rosario – SS
Jacob deGrom – RHP

Reds Lineup

Josh VanMeter – LF
Joey Votto – 1B
Eugenio Suarez – 3B
Aristides Aquino – RF
Tucker Barnhart – C
Jose Iglesias – SS
Phil Ervin – CF
Jose Peraza – 2B
Luis Castillo – RHP

10 games left. Season winding down. Still only 3.5 out. As unlikely as it is, crazier things have happened. Im really enjoying seeing this lineup finally together and the SP every night if for nothing else. This is the team we should have had all year. Anybody that cant see how much Nimmo has added since he's been back is blind IMO. In any event, deGrom looking to cement his Cy Young case tonight. Luis Castillo is no joke and believe the Reds will be a colossal pain in the ass this weekend. Let the chips fall where they may. LFGM!
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Conforto-JD-Rosario  
Vanzetti : 9/20/2019 6:12 pm : link
Batting 6-8

That’s one hell of s botTom of the lineup
I think they finally got the lineup right...  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 6:13 pm : link
I would switch Conforto and Cano but Conforto is ICE COLD right now so its fine.
I think they have to sweep the Reds and the Marlins  
Vanzetti : 9/20/2019 6:14 pm : link
Tall order but not impossible

But whatever happens, it’s not bad still being excited about a Mets game on Sept 20
not really time of year for prospects but BA added Alvarez to top 100  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2019 6:15 pm : link
Also moved up Mauricio into the 50's and Gimenez into the 70's.
RE: I think they have to sweep the Reds and the Marlins  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14590063 Vanzetti said:
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Tall order but not impossible

But whatever happens, it’s not bad still being excited about a Mets game on Sept 20


They have to do better than 7-3 to give themselves a chance, which is winning all 3 series. Ideally they sweep the Marlins and then win the other 2 series.

St. Louis just beat the Cubs 2-1 and Milwaukee plays Pitt tonight. Need the bucs to put up a good fight.
Cubs lose  
KDubbs : 9/20/2019 6:17 pm : link
Can pull within 1.5 of them with a win. Unfortunately dont see any help with nats and brewers this weekend
I honestly think we need a huge slide  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 6:20 pm : link
from the Nats. If the Marlins beat them one time this weekend Ill be happy but their schedule gets really tough after. 5 games with the Phillies and 3 with the Indians who will be battling the Rays most likely for a spot the last weekend.

I could see the Nats going 4-6 or something like that and that could make things very interesting....

Brewers are going to be the toughest to stop because their schedule is cake. Cubs play the Cardinals again.
Think the Mets need to go at least 8-2  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 6:23 pm : link
to even have a chance and thats with expecting some stumbling with the other teams.

Problem is although the Reds and Marlins look like the "Easy" games it won't go that way. I could see the Reds and Marlins both winning a game. So do we go into the Atlanta series needing a sweep? Maybe.
Mets considering swapping  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 6:30 pm : link
Stroman and Matz so Matz can pitch at home. Thats a good move IMO. One Matz is better at home, but two, I think Stroman is the better pitcher and the Reds are a tougher test Sunday.
Matz has a ridiculous  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 6:47 pm : link
ERA at Citi, 3rd best after deGrom and Matt Harvey.

Matz' whole second has been really good, but swapping them is a rare smart move for the Mickey Mets that analytics suggest is a good one.
Thing w/ the Nats losing is the Phils winning.  
ChaChing : 9/20/2019 6:54 pm : link
It brings 2 spots into the mix but adds another team as well. Obviously there's a right answer for NYM to get in but I'm not sure how that works exactly. Nats have to lose enough BUT Phils can't win too much. Or Mets win out...
Ideal for me  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 7:00 pm : link
Nats go:

2-1 against the Marlins
2-3 against the Phillies
0-3 against the Indians.

Makes them 4-7.

Seams somewhat believable and I doubt the Phillies winning 3 games against them is enough to be significant unless they were also winning out or something....
Unpopular, unappealing thought:  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2019 7:13 pm : link
I don't like Callaway as a manager, but if the team finishes with anything above 85 wins, won't that be a pretty decent job from him. The team hasn't quit on him, and they've had a bunch of opportunities to do just that. Young guys like Davis and Rosario have improved, Alonso has thrived, Cano has returned from the dead. I'm not sure you can fire the guy if he ends up just missing the WC.

I'd rather see them hire Girardi but the Mets seem to be on his way to a record that saves Callaway's job.
RE: Unpopular, unappealing thought:  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14590113 81_Great_Dane said:
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I don't like Callaway as a manager, but if the team finishes with anything above 85 wins, won't that be a pretty decent job from him. The team hasn't quit on him, and they've had a bunch of opportunities to do just that. Young guys like Davis and Rosario have improved, Alonso has thrived, Cano has returned from the dead. I'm not sure you can fire the guy if he ends up just missing the WC.

I'd rather see them hire Girardi but the Mets seem to be on his way to a record that saves Callaway's job.


I don't think so and here's why. Its very rare that a new GM comes in and doesn't put his own people in place. Callaway is a carry over. BVW isn't here to be a GM forever. He's here to come in and make a splash and win immediately. I think if we miss the playoffs that will be all he needs. He isnt going to go down without his own staff in place IMO.
You guys are funny.  
PhiPsi125 : 9/20/2019 7:16 pm : link
The Brewers may not lose another game this season with their cake schedule and the Nats aren’t going 4-7 LOL.

I give the team credit for their push...but Mickey/Diaz torched this season for the Mets. It’s a shame, too. There’s no reason that this team shouldn’t be leading the WC race at minimum. Enjoy the rest of the season, boys.
deGrom is lined up to start the wild card game  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 7:16 pm : link
if everything stays the same.
Callaway is already the difference between making the playoffs or not  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2019 7:17 pm : link
short of a WS run he has to go. Pretty much that simple.
RE: You guys are funny.  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14590118 PhiPsi125 said:
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The Brewers may not lose another game this season with their cake schedule and the Nats aren’t going 4-7 LOL.

I give the team credit for their push...but Mickey/Diaz torched this season for the Mets. It’s a shame, too. There’s no reason that this team shouldn’t be leading the WC race at minimum. Enjoy the rest of the season, boys.


I agree with you. Its not likely. Just so frustrating.. because on top of the pen and Mickey... there's also been SO many heartbreakers. Its unbelievable how crushing some of these most recent losses have been. Just flip one or two of those games and we are literally leading the WC right now.. Just amazing really...
Ends coming fast for Votto  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 7:21 pm : link
Thank God we never tried to traded for him as many were hoping for at times...
Z I do give you credit for pining for Nimmo all year  
Rob in Rockaway : 9/20/2019 7:45 pm : link
he's had more of an impact on the lineup and the opposing pitcher than I thought.
Perfect example 11 pitch walk  
Rob in Rockaway : 9/20/2019 7:47 pm : link
when we desperately need to get Castillo out of this game as soon as possible.
Wow we knew NYM was not great w/ the run game  
ChaChing : 9/20/2019 7:55 pm : link
but 128 SBs allowed, 40 more than the next team (NL, i think)
Are we going to flip Matz and Stro  
Chris684 : 9/20/2019 7:58 pm : link
to get Matz the start at home?
RE: Are we going to flip Matz and Stro  
Rob in Rockaway : 9/20/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14590161 Chris684 said:
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to get Matz the start at home?


Top of the thread
RE: RE: Are we going to flip Matz and Stro  
Chris684 : 9/20/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14590164 Rob in Rockaway said:
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In comment 14590161 Chris684 said:


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to get Matz the start at home?



Top of the thread


Thanks, missed that.
Squirrel!  
Rob in Rockaway : 9/20/2019 8:39 pm : link
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Squirrel  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 8:39 pm : link
puts the Mets on top.

and the Pirates are the worst time I've seen in a long time.
3-0.  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 9:01 pm : link
Bomb from Rosario...
Let deGrom finish the entire game...  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 9:01 pm : link
Seriously... He has what? 2 games left? How many pitches would he be hit? 120 maybe? Who gives a shit...
Make that 1 more game..  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 9:02 pm : link
..
This deGrom guy  
nygfaninorlando : 9/20/2019 9:10 pm : link
is pretty good. Seriously should win the CY Young award again the way he’s closing out the season. What a pleasure to watch.
Mickey'd again!!  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 9:13 pm : link
WTF asshole!
#50 for Alonso  
nygfaninorlando : 9/20/2019 9:18 pm : link
Way to go!
FIFTY!  
ChaChing : 9/20/2019 9:18 pm : link
Pete!
Fifty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Ira : 9/20/2019 9:18 pm : link
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What an amazing historic season  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 9:20 pm : link
Cant believe people still think we should have kept him down in the minors. Guy has been amazing....
RE: What an amazing historic season  
Ira : 9/20/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14590201 ZGiants98 said:
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Cant believe people still think we should have kept him down in the minors. Guy has been amazing....


That was Brody's best off-season move.
RE: What an amazing historic season  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14590201 ZGiants98 said:
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Cant believe people still think we should have kept him down in the minors. Guy has been amazing....


I never expected this season from Alonso, and I was wrong, no shame in admitting it, but I'm surprised you still don't understand it, it had zero to do with whether Alonso was ready or not. It was a business decision.

Kris Bryant was left down, Vlad Jr was left down the two weeks, many players are, because it's a smart business decision.


RE: RE: What an amazing historic season  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14590207 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14590201 ZGiants98 said:


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Cant believe people still think we should have kept him down in the minors. Guy has been amazing....



I never expected this season from Alonso, and I was wrong, no shame in admitting it, but I'm surprised you still don't understand it, it had zero to do with whether Alonso was ready or not. It was a business decision.

Kris Bryant was left down, Vlad Jr was left down the two weeks, many players are, because it's a smart business decision.



lol. I understood it then and I understand it now. I was one of the posters on the fence about it. But you can't tell me for one second that in retrospect it wasn't the right move TODAY. He hit the second he came up. He's hit all year. And every game is coming down to the wire proving that every single game, with this exact team, counted.

Ive said this before, but if we were 30 games out, you can make a case Alonso wasn't needed. If we were 30 games ahead, you can make a case Alonso wasn't needed... But we are literally going down to the last week fighting for every game... Whether we make the playoffs or not... Alonso was in fact needed.

Also, its just horrid optics. The guy was clearly ready. He's also the new face of the franchise. If the Mets don't pony up to give Alonso a second contract that's on them... You give this guy a second contract either way. This isn't a situation where you might be on the fence and try to squeak out an extra year of control. This is a guy you back up the Brinks for.
Here comes Diaz  
nygfaninorlando : 9/20/2019 9:44 pm : link
Bullpen up to their old tricks again. Avilan brought in to face the lefty Votto and can’t throw strikes.
RE: RE: RE: What an amazing historic season  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14590214 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14590201 ZGiants98 said:


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Cant believe people still think we should have kept him down in the minors. Guy has been amazing....



I never expected this season from Alonso, and I was wrong, no shame in admitting it, but I'm surprised you still don't understand it, it had zero to do with whether Alonso was ready or not. It was a business decision.

Kris Bryant was left down, Vlad Jr was left down the two weeks, many players are, because it's a smart business decision.





lol. I understood it then and I understand it now. I was one of the posters on the fence about it. But you can't tell me for one second that in retrospect it wasn't the right move TODAY. He hit the second he came up. He's hit all year. And every game is coming down to the wire proving that every single game, with this exact team, counted.

Ive said this before, but if we were 30 games out, you can make a case Alonso wasn't needed. If we were 30 games ahead, you can make a case Alonso wasn't needed... But we are literally going down to the last week fighting for every game... Whether we make the playoffs or not... Alonso was in fact needed.

Also, its just horrid optics. The guy was clearly ready. He's also the new face of the franchise. If the Mets don't pony up to give Alonso a second contract that's on them... You give this guy a second contract either way. This isn't a situation where you might be on the fence and try to squeak out an extra year of control. This is a guy you back up the Brinks for.


Of course in retrospect it was the right move but we have the benefit of knowing now what we didn't then.

if they sent him down for two weeks I would have thought it was the right move.

I'm not sure how needed he was those 10 games, Dom Smith started off well too, but regardless starting him in Queens was the right move.

But that's not one of the decisions I'd say "I can't believe some people felt he should have started in Syracuse" because if he did (at the time) I would have been fine with it.

either way, glad he's a Met, I'm glad how this season turned out and I hope he has a few more HR's in him this year.
Ok, good job Diaz  
nygfaninorlando : 9/20/2019 9:47 pm : link
Where has that been all season.
filthy  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 9:48 pm : link
from Diaz. Could have used that this year.
Starting the season with Alonso  
Vanzetti : 9/20/2019 9:55 pm : link
Was about a shift in attitude

BVW wanted to signal that this team is about winning and not about saving dollars six years from now.

Plus, I do not think he is planning to stay as GM for 6+ years, so what does he care?
Pj...  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 10:00 pm : link
I was only referring to "in retrospect" There were posters a couple weeks ago still saying we should have left him down. Thats what I meany by "I cant believe...". You weren't one of them...
Well this is a good sign...  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 10:01 pm : link
Castillo was by far the toughest pitcher we'll face this series. Next two SP aren't a treat either but it appears the bats are still pretty hot...
Pussy move  
KDubbs : 9/20/2019 10:01 pm : link
By Bell. Youre team is shit, pitch to alonso
pretty chicken shit  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2019 10:01 pm : link
IBB Alonso there.


sure, it's the right baseball move, but the Reds are eliminated.
And I still think taking deGrom out at 98 pitches  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 10:02 pm : link
and the score only being 3-0 at the time was IDIOTIC. He had barely broken a sweat.

Luckily the offense has completely bailed him out.
Wow...  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 10:05 pm : link
Conforto needed that... He's been terrible.
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