Mets Lineup
Brandon Nimmo – CF
Jeff McNeil – 3B
Pete Alonso – 1B
Robinson Cano – 2B
Wilson Ramos – C
Michael Conforto – RF
J.D. Davis – LF
Amed Rosario – SS
Jacob deGrom – RHP
Reds Lineup
Josh VanMeter – LF
Joey Votto – 1B
Eugenio Suarez – 3B
Aristides Aquino – RF
Tucker Barnhart – C
Jose Iglesias – SS
Phil Ervin – CF
Jose Peraza – 2B
Luis Castillo – RHP
10 games left. Season winding down. Still only 3.5 out. As unlikely as it is, crazier things have happened. Im really enjoying seeing this lineup finally together and the SP every night if for nothing else. This is the team we should have had all year. Anybody that cant see how much Nimmo has added since he's been back is blind IMO. In any event, deGrom looking to cement his Cy Young case tonight. Luis Castillo is no joke and believe the Reds will be a colossal pain in the ass this weekend. Let the chips fall where they may. LFGM!
Do you really want Diaz attempting to bat?
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Diaz pitch to start the 9th inning
Do you really want Diaz attempting to bat?
You tell him do not swing at any pitch. So yes.
Alonso needs to spend some time in the weight room, a little light in the pants he is.
Dont usually feel that way. Usually, I cant wait for the season to be over once we are out of it.
This is a young, talented, and fun team though.
Dont usually feel that way. Usually, I cant wait for the season to be over once we are out of it.
This is a young, talented, and fun team though.
Feel the same way. Really enjoyed watching this group. This team is set up
for a lot of success if the Wilpons will actually spend.
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Im going to miss this team this offseason.
Dont usually feel that way. Usually, I cant wait for the season to be over once we are out of it.
This is a young, talented, and fun team though.
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Feel the same way. Really enjoyed watching this group. This team is set up
for a lot of success if the Wilpons will actually spend.
Back in 1988, Mets fans were probably feeling the same way. Young core of Straw, Hojo, Dykstra, McReynolds, Gooden , Cone, Darling, El Sid, McDowell, Randall K, Aguilera.
Super phenom Gregg Jeffries
It all fell apart and they never made it back to the show.
So, while I agree about the young core having a bright future, I
Also can’t help feel this a season where they let sn opportunity slip
away—if they fall short’ of the playoffs
I think we have to maintain at least one of Wheeler or Thor. We can not afford to lose both.
Good news is the lineup is virtually set. Not much they have to do there.
True but they have to keep on playing the games just in case something goes wrong in Milwaukee in the last week
It’s hard to see the Mets finishing 8-1 and not finishing in at least a tie with PHI or CHC. So MIL is the team to watch. They’ve really done a nice job with their bullpen over there. Hard to see them going 5-3 or worse but who knows.
The Brewers are also going to get lit up like a Christmas tree in the one game playoff if they make it that far.
You aren’t alone. Some people can act like it was crazy to think about keeping Alonso down for two weeks considering how good he’s been...but it’s never been about how good he was or would be. It is always about getting control of that extra year.
I’d argue that it was a complete waste considering that we (very very likely) won’t even make the post season. Keeping Alonso down for an extra two weeks would have made zero impact on the outcome of the season.
And you wish we left him in the minors. LOL.
Some of you need to get outside and smell the air or something. We are going to have the Cy Young winner, Rookie of the Year, our third winning record in the last five years, and a young nucleus of players to build off of going forward.
Yes we might miss the playoffs by a game or two. Yes we might be going home. So are 29 other teams. Only one is coming out of this a champion.
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but given how good Alonso has been I'd argue they made a mistake not leaving him down. We're not the Yanks, LA or Red Sox, we're basically Milwaukee in the payroll department. If we gained one more year of control that would be huge for the cash-strapped Mets. If anything his monster year adds another $20M of unnecessary payroll for a season when we need every dollar to invest in players.
You aren’t alone. Some people can act like it was crazy to think about keeping Alonso down for two weeks considering how good he’s been...but it’s never been about how good he was or would be. It is always about getting control of that extra year.
I’d argue that it was a complete waste considering that we (very very likely) won’t even make the post season. Keeping Alonso down for an extra two weeks would have made zero impact on the outcome of the season.
My question is why does it have to be in a player's rookie year to try and reduce a player's seniority? If Alonso slumps badly next year, they could play that game and send him down for two weeks. Note that I do not think he goes back down to the minors again.
And you wish we left him in the minors. LOL.
Some of you need to get outside and smell the air or something. We are going to have the Cy Young winner, Rookie of the Year, our third winning record in the last five years, and a young nucleus of players to build off of going forward.
Yes we might miss the playoffs by a game or two. Yes we might be going home. So are 29 other teams. Only one is coming out of this a champion.
Other than your utter homerism that rivals only 3 year old children watching the Wiggles...explain to me how any of what I said is wrong.
Yes, I’ve loved what Alonso is doing in the juices ball era. He’s been fantastic to watch. I’m glad that you got to see something that pleases you. And if he stayed down for two weeks, he’s not likely far off from where he is today. Still pretty awesome, right? Would that have really soured your shorts?
Lol, you pretty much suck all the time. Congrats on that.
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Miserable. Holy shit. We are witnessing one of the greatest seasons by any player in Mets history. We are going to have the Rookie of the Year and a guy that might break the all time record for home runs.
And you wish we left him in the minors. LOL.
Some of you need to get outside and smell the air or something. We are going to have the Cy Young winner, Rookie of the Year, our third winning record in the last five years, and a young nucleus of players to build off of going forward.
Yes we might miss the playoffs by a game or two. Yes we might be going home. So are 29 other teams. Only one is coming out of this a champion.
Other than your utter homerism that rivals only 3 year old children watching the Wiggles...explain to me how any of what I said is wrong.
Yes, I’ve loved what Alonso is doing in the juices ball era. He’s been fantastic to watch. I’m glad that you got to see something that pleases you. And if he stayed down for two weeks, he’s not likely far off from where he is today. Still pretty awesome, right? Would that have really soured your shorts?
Lol, you pretty much suck all the time. Congrats on that.
Dude... your the most miserable piece of shit here and everyone knows it. If you can't respond to a baseball point without name calling you can go fuck yourself on a response.
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but given how good Alonso has been I'd argue they made a mistake not leaving him down. We're not the Yanks, LA or Red Sox, we're basically Milwaukee in the payroll department. If we gained one more year of control that would be huge for the cash-strapped Mets. If anything his monster year adds another $20M of unnecessary payroll for a season when we need every dollar to invest in players.
You aren’t alone. Some people can act like it was crazy to think about keeping Alonso down for two weeks considering how good he’s been...but it’s never been about how good he was or would be. It is always about getting control of that extra year.
I’d argue that it was a complete waste considering that we (very very likely) won’t even make the post season. Keeping Alonso down for an extra two weeks would have made zero impact on the outcome of the season.
My question is why does it have to be in a player's rookie year to try and reduce a player's seniority? If Alonso slumps badly next year, they could play that game and send him down for two weeks. Note that I do not think he goes back down to the minors again.
It doesn't. They can send him down for two weeks at any time and recoup the year of control. Makes no difference if its this year or any year.
At the end of the day, its game playing to fuck the player over and save the Wilpons a little money. It obviously happens around the game at times but that doesnt make it right. Baseball players are controlled FAR more than ay other sport before they are a free agent and there's a good chance this will be changing soon anyway.
Its so nice to see everyone is so in favor of the Wilpons saving a few bucks lately though. Never knew they had such fans.
If the Mets want credit for keeping Alonso up then resign him long term like the Braves did with Acuna and Albies. As an overage rookie Pete should be even more motivated to get paid asap. Anything else is noise because if they play their typical mid-market payroll BS the unquestionably better move was getting 1 more year of Pete at the league minimum. It's literally not debatable. The better Alonso's year is the more that is true, not less.
If the Mets want credit for keeping Alonso up then resign him long term like the Braves did with Acuna and Albies. As an overage rookie Pete should be even more motivated to get paid asap. Anything else is noise because if they play their typical mid-market payroll BS the unquestionably better move was getting 1 more year of Pete at the league minimum. It's literally not debatable. The better Alonso's year is the more that is true, not less.
They aren't giving him an extension with 5 years of control though. Maybe in a year I could see it.
As for the off-season, I would hate to break this group up. Really hope we can re-sign Wheelz. I'm not sure what else we need to do. We really need Diaz/Familia to turn it around, and then we need to get a reliable reliever or two and some SP depth.
The money thing is really annoying. We need to sign players like Nimmo, Alonso, Rosario, Conforto to team freindly contracts, but we have no payroll because we're spending a boatload on Cano, Familia, Cespedes, Lowrie.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the off-season. If we had some more depth at the upper levels, I would say it's a no brainer to trade a Syndergaard, but without a viable replacement, I don't' see how we can do that.
Goldschmidt got 5 years, 130 million.
I could see Pete getting something like this if he maintains what he's doing now and stays healthy.
That's nice and all but he isnt likely to get anything like Harper or Machado.
And as fans we should 100% NOT want them to go over the luxury tax. Its no longer a slap on the wrist. It directly effects our draft pool, ect.
Because if they don't do it, it would be solely out of fear he accepts.
And most fans complain more about the team recouping insurance money from players like Cespedes and Wright and not reinvesting it in the payroll, instead citing payroll numbers including full salaries for players like Cespedes and Wright.
Plus the Mets probably insured Lowrie's contract.
Not every situation is the same though. Those were young kids coming from other countries. They were probably used to living in poverty and their families probably needed financial security back home. I remember when we tried to lock Lagares and Duda up with similar offers. Lagares jumped but Duda declined. Pete has money (just won a million at the HR Derby) grew up in America... etc. I actually think the extensions the Braves did were absolute heists and not normal.
Because if they don't do it, it would be solely out of fear he accepts.
And most fans complain more about the team recouping insurance money from players like Cespedes and Wright and not reinvesting it in the payroll, instead citing payroll numbers including full salaries for players like Cespedes and Wright.
Plus the Mets probably insured Lowrie's contract.
Insurance payouts have nothing to do with the luxury tax. I think you're missing the point. If the Mets go over the luxury tax it directly hurts the club. Whether the Wilpons recap a little coin on injured players or not (I would imagine every team in baseball deals with this) is irrelevant to us staying under the tax.
Almost seems like fans are blaming the Wilpons for injuries... almost like they are purposely signing players they know will get injured so they can recoup some vacation money later.
20 million AAV for Cano isnt close to the "worst contract in baseball" but nice try. Cespedes might be closer to that but he also could be healthier next year and we could get a little production but more importantly its also his last year. Its not strangling the franchise much going forward.
But when you purposely trade for a guy signed through 2020 thats due to make 18 million next year *Stroman" as a hedge to losing Wheeler... Again... that's not really being cheap.
Cespedes only has 1 year left and it's near 75% insured, so him not playing is actually ideal.
Darvish has same years/$ left as Cano and was worth 2 fwar this year. And he's 3+ years younger.
Heyward has about the same years/$ left and he was also worth 2 fwar this year. And he's almost 7 years younger.
with 400 AB's Cano is currently worth .8 fwar, he's be below league average as a hitter, there are only 5 2b worse in the field by DRS, and he turns 37 years old next month.
Seriously, what contract is worse than Canos?
It's a no-brainer that Wheeler will not accept the QO and then the Mets should try and work out an extension with him, if the bidding gets crazy and some team massively overpays, the c'est la vie. but not offering the QO and not making at least an effort to keep a player here who wants to be here and is a valuable commodity it would be 100% financial.
And no one blames the Wilpons for injuries that's ridiculous to claim, but reality is the Mets haven't sniffed the luxury tax in probably a decade, but still have received insurance money back on wright and Cespedes that they have not obviously reinvested in the team. That's what I am referring to and even this year I don't think the Mets are that close to the LT - depending on arbitration.
But when you purposely trade for a guy signed through 2020 thats due to make 18 million next year *Stroman" as a hedge to losing Wheeler... Again... that's not really being cheap.
It's not being cheap as much as it's being stupid. They could have just kept Kay for the league minimum and resigned Wheeler (who I'd personally prefer to Stroman in the first place).
Cespedes only has 1 year left and it's near 75% insured, so him not playing is actually ideal.
Darvish has same years/$ left as Cano and was worth 2 fwar this year. And he's 3+ years younger.
Heyward has about the same years/$ left and he was also worth 2 fwar this year. And he's almost 7 years younger.
with 400 AB's Cano is currently worth .8 fwar, he's be below league average as a hitter, there are only 5 2b worse in the field by DRS, and he turns 37 years old next month.
Seriously, what contract is worse than Canos?
Seriously? Ever heard of Giancarlo Stanton? How about Bryce Harper and Machado? How much do you think those players helped their clubs? There are dozens more. And give me a break with Cano. He's been on fire the second half. He isn't "done". The hand injuries in the first half appear to have directly hurt his line.