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NFT: Mets at Reds Game 1

ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 6:07 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo – CF
Jeff McNeil – 3B
Pete Alonso – 1B
Robinson Cano – 2B
Wilson Ramos – C
Michael Conforto – RF
J.D. Davis – LF
Amed Rosario – SS
Jacob deGrom – RHP

Reds Lineup

Josh VanMeter – LF
Joey Votto – 1B
Eugenio Suarez – 3B
Aristides Aquino – RF
Tucker Barnhart – C
Jose Iglesias – SS
Phil Ervin – CF
Jose Peraza – 2B
Luis Castillo – RHP

10 games left. Season winding down. Still only 3.5 out. As unlikely as it is, crazier things have happened. Im really enjoying seeing this lineup finally together and the SP every night if for nothing else. This is the team we should have had all year. Anybody that cant see how much Nimmo has added since he's been back is blind IMO. In any event, deGrom looking to cement his Cy Young case tonight. Luis Castillo is no joke and believe the Reds will be a colossal pain in the ass this weekend. Let the chips fall where they may. LFGM!
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Why not let  
SJGiant : 9/20/2019 10:06 pm : link
Diaz pitch to start the 9th inning
RE: Why not let  
Mike in NY : 9/20/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14590237 SJGiant said:
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Diaz pitch to start the 9th inning


Do you really want Diaz attempting to bat?
RE: RE: Why not let  
SJGiant : 9/20/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14590239 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14590237 SJGiant said:


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Diaz pitch to start the 9th inning



Do you really want Diaz attempting to bat?


You tell him do not swing at any pitch. So yes.
Gotta love Familia  
nygfaninorlando : 9/20/2019 10:12 pm : link
Falls behind 3-1 with an 8 run lead and throws a meatball for a homer run.
RE: Gotta love Familia  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14590242 nygfaninorlando said:
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Falls behind 3-1 with an 8 run lead and throws a meatball for a homer run.
Mickey is relentlessly positive. But if I were him, I'd be pissed, and I'd let somebody hear about it.
Well Phillies and Cubs lose  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 10:18 pm : link
Looks like Brewers and Nats will win. Just keep winning and we'll keep making ground on somebody. Brewers wont win out.
that degrom guy is pretty decent  
madgiantscow009 : 9/20/2019 10:50 pm : link
McNeil may make a run for mvp next year.

Alonso needs to spend some time in the weight room, a little light in the pants he is.
RE: that degrom guy is pretty decent  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2019 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14590260 madgiantscow009 said:
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Alonso needs to spend some time in the weight room, a little light in the pants he is.
Not strong enough?
Playoffs or no playoffs  
ZGiants98 : 9/20/2019 10:57 pm : link
Im going to miss this team this offseason.

Dont usually feel that way. Usually, I cant wait for the season to be over once we are out of it.

This is a young, talented, and fun team though.
RE: Playoffs or no playoffs  
TyreeHelmet : 9/20/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14590263 ZGiants98 said:
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Im going to miss this team this offseason.

Dont usually feel that way. Usually, I cant wait for the season to be over once we are out of it.

This is a young, talented, and fun team though.
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Feel the same way. Really enjoyed watching this group. This team is set up
for a lot of success if the Wilpons will actually spend.
RE: RE: Playoffs or no playoffs  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2019 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14590267 TyreeHelmet said:
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Im going to miss this team this offseason.

Dont usually feel that way. Usually, I cant wait for the season to be over once we are out of it.

This is a young, talented, and fun team though.

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Feel the same way. Really enjoyed watching this group. This team is set up
for a lot of success if the Wilpons will actually spend.
Agree 100%. This is a fun team to watch. Great guys with great chemistry. Haven't been this engaged by the Mets in a long, long, loooooong time.
I feel the same way BUT  
Vanzetti : 9/20/2019 11:30 pm : link
In baseball you never know

Back in 1988, Mets fans were probably feeling the same way. Young core of Straw, Hojo, Dykstra, McReynolds, Gooden , Cone, Darling, El Sid, McDowell, Randall K, Aguilera.
Super phenom Gregg Jeffries

It all fell apart and they never made it back to the show.

So, while I agree about the young core having a bright future, I
Also can’t help feel this a season where they let sn opportunity slip
away—if they fall short’ of the playoffs
The crazy thing about this roster  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 12:21 am : link
Is that there isn't a lot of wiggle room. Our payroll is almost at 200 million already for 2020 if you factor arbitrations. Luxury tax is only a little over that. Mets will have to get creative to improve the team and that scares me. I can see them dangling Syndergaard again and Conforto to upgrade other areas...

I think we have to maintain at least one of Wheeler or Thor. We can not afford to lose both.

Good news is the lineup is virtually set. Not much they have to do there.
It would be pretty wild if Alonzo tied Judge's rookie hr record of 52  
steve in ky : 9/21/2019 12:40 am : link
What are the odds that the record would be tied by players from each NY team?
I have no doubt he at least ties it  
Canton : 9/21/2019 6:16 am : link
He's competitive as fuck. He proved that during the Home Run Derby.
The Brewers absolutely could win out. They have the easiest  
PhiPsi125 : 9/21/2019 7:04 am : link
schedule to deal with and haven’t missed a beat with Yelich out. Even if they don’t, They would need to lose 4 of their remaining 8 games for the Mets to get in. And the Mets would need to win out. Just stop.
Spotrac has the Mets about $12 million from the luxury tax  
dpinzow : 9/21/2019 7:07 am : link
and I can't see the Mets breaching that # so they have some room, but they'll have to be very creative in how they use it if they want to spend straight up to the threshold
If they could somehow offload Cespedes and Cano's money  
dpinzow : 9/21/2019 7:09 am : link
they'd be able to keep most of what is turning into an excellent group of core players together
I get giddy thinking about Joe Girardi  
Chris684 : 9/21/2019 7:10 am : link
With this roster and a revamped pen
RE: The Brewers absolutely could win out. They have the easiest  
dpinzow : 9/21/2019 7:23 am : link
In comment 14590313 PhiPsi125 said:
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schedule to deal with and haven’t missed a beat with Yelich out. Even if they don’t, They would need to lose 4 of their remaining 8 games for the Mets to get in. And the Mets would need to win out. Just stop.


True but they have to keep on playing the games just in case something goes wrong in Milwaukee in the last week
Keep on winning...  
Metnut : 9/21/2019 9:01 am : link
looks like we’re going to run out of season. Diaz, Familia and the Cano salary will likely cost is a playoff spot. Alderson left is in better shape than I thought.

It’s hard to see the Mets finishing 8-1 and not finishing in at least a tie with PHI or CHC. So MIL is the team to watch. They’ve really done a nice job with their bullpen over there. Hard to see them going 5-3 or worse but who knows.
The Brewers actually suck  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 11:26 am : link
The back half of their lineup is laughable and they have no pitching. They do have an incredibly easy schedule but I think they’ll lose a few against the Rockies and the Reds.

The Brewers are also going to get lit up like a Christmas tree in the one game playoff if they make it that far.
Curious  
XBRONX : 9/21/2019 11:50 am : link
what is the least number of wins for a starter who has won the Cy Young?
It is mildly hilarious that BVW’s three major acquisitions last  
PhiPsi125 : 9/21/2019 11:54 am : link
offseason (Diaz, Cano, Familia) were so horrible that they actually cost us the playoffs instead of helping the team get there. Quite the feather in your cap, Brodie.
I could be alone  
csb : 9/21/2019 12:09 pm : link
but given how good Alonso has been I'd argue they made a mistake not leaving him down. We're not the Yanks, LA or Red Sox, we're basically Milwaukee in the payroll department. If we gained one more year of control that would be huge for the cash-strapped Mets. If anything his monster year adds another $20M of unnecessary payroll for a season when we need every dollar to invest in players.
How are we cash strapped?  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 12:19 pm : link
We have around 200 million on the books for next year and the luxury tax is like 207?? The Mets are back operating with the big boys. The poor cheap Mets mentality really needs to end. If the Mets can’t re-sign the face of their franchise in 5 years, something went wrong.
RE: I could be alone  
PhiPsi125 : 9/21/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14590529 csb said:
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but given how good Alonso has been I'd argue they made a mistake not leaving him down. We're not the Yanks, LA or Red Sox, we're basically Milwaukee in the payroll department. If we gained one more year of control that would be huge for the cash-strapped Mets. If anything his monster year adds another $20M of unnecessary payroll for a season when we need every dollar to invest in players.


You aren’t alone. Some people can act like it was crazy to think about keeping Alonso down for two weeks considering how good he’s been...but it’s never been about how good he was or would be. It is always about getting control of that extra year.

I’d argue that it was a complete waste considering that we (very very likely) won’t even make the post season. Keeping Alonso down for an extra two weeks would have made zero impact on the outcome of the season.
Lol. You people are completely  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 12:32 pm : link
Miserable. Holy shit. We are witnessing one of the greatest seasons by any player in Mets history. We are going to have the Rookie of the Year and a guy that might break the all time record for home runs.

And you wish we left him in the minors. LOL.

Some of you need to get outside and smell the air or something. We are going to have the Cy Young winner, Rookie of the Year, our third winning record in the last five years, and a young nucleus of players to build off of going forward.

Yes we might miss the playoffs by a game or two. Yes we might be going home. So are 29 other teams. Only one is coming out of this a champion.
I'd take the current Mets situation as an organization over  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 12:52 pm : link
the Giants, Jets, Knicks, Nets, Devils, and Rangers.
RE: RE: I could be alone  
SJGiant : 9/21/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14590540 PhiPsi125 said:
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but given how good Alonso has been I'd argue they made a mistake not leaving him down. We're not the Yanks, LA or Red Sox, we're basically Milwaukee in the payroll department. If we gained one more year of control that would be huge for the cash-strapped Mets. If anything his monster year adds another $20M of unnecessary payroll for a season when we need every dollar to invest in players.



You aren’t alone. Some people can act like it was crazy to think about keeping Alonso down for two weeks considering how good he’s been...but it’s never been about how good he was or would be. It is always about getting control of that extra year.

I’d argue that it was a complete waste considering that we (very very likely) won’t even make the post season. Keeping Alonso down for an extra two weeks would have made zero impact on the outcome of the season.


My question is why does it have to be in a player's rookie year to try and reduce a player's seniority? If Alonso slumps badly next year, they could play that game and send him down for two weeks. Note that I do not think he goes back down to the minors again.
RE: Lol. You people are completely  
PhiPsi125 : 9/21/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14590544 ZGiants98 said:
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Miserable. Holy shit. We are witnessing one of the greatest seasons by any player in Mets history. We are going to have the Rookie of the Year and a guy that might break the all time record for home runs.

And you wish we left him in the minors. LOL.

Some of you need to get outside and smell the air or something. We are going to have the Cy Young winner, Rookie of the Year, our third winning record in the last five years, and a young nucleus of players to build off of going forward.

Yes we might miss the playoffs by a game or two. Yes we might be going home. So are 29 other teams. Only one is coming out of this a champion.


Other than your utter homerism that rivals only 3 year old children watching the Wiggles...explain to me how any of what I said is wrong.

Yes, I’ve loved what Alonso is doing in the juices ball era. He’s been fantastic to watch. I’m glad that you got to see something that pleases you. And if he stayed down for two weeks, he’s not likely far off from where he is today. Still pretty awesome, right? Would that have really soured your shorts?

Lol, you pretty much suck all the time. Congrats on that.
RE: RE: Lol. You people are completely  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14590601 PhiPsi125 said:
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Miserable. Holy shit. We are witnessing one of the greatest seasons by any player in Mets history. We are going to have the Rookie of the Year and a guy that might break the all time record for home runs.

And you wish we left him in the minors. LOL.

Some of you need to get outside and smell the air or something. We are going to have the Cy Young winner, Rookie of the Year, our third winning record in the last five years, and a young nucleus of players to build off of going forward.

Yes we might miss the playoffs by a game or two. Yes we might be going home. So are 29 other teams. Only one is coming out of this a champion.



Other than your utter homerism that rivals only 3 year old children watching the Wiggles...explain to me how any of what I said is wrong.

Yes, I’ve loved what Alonso is doing in the juices ball era. He’s been fantastic to watch. I’m glad that you got to see something that pleases you. And if he stayed down for two weeks, he’s not likely far off from where he is today. Still pretty awesome, right? Would that have really soured your shorts?

Lol, you pretty much suck all the time. Congrats on that.


Dude... your the most miserable piece of shit here and everyone knows it. If you can't respond to a baseball point without name calling you can go fuck yourself on a response.
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ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14590598 SJGiant said:
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but given how good Alonso has been I'd argue they made a mistake not leaving him down. We're not the Yanks, LA or Red Sox, we're basically Milwaukee in the payroll department. If we gained one more year of control that would be huge for the cash-strapped Mets. If anything his monster year adds another $20M of unnecessary payroll for a season when we need every dollar to invest in players.



You aren’t alone. Some people can act like it was crazy to think about keeping Alonso down for two weeks considering how good he’s been...but it’s never been about how good he was or would be. It is always about getting control of that extra year.

I’d argue that it was a complete waste considering that we (very very likely) won’t even make the post season. Keeping Alonso down for an extra two weeks would have made zero impact on the outcome of the season.



My question is why does it have to be in a player's rookie year to try and reduce a player's seniority? If Alonso slumps badly next year, they could play that game and send him down for two weeks. Note that I do not think he goes back down to the minors again.


It doesn't. They can send him down for two weeks at any time and recoup the year of control. Makes no difference if its this year or any year.

At the end of the day, its game playing to fuck the player over and save the Wilpons a little money. It obviously happens around the game at times but that doesnt make it right. Baseball players are controlled FAR more than ay other sport before they are a free agent and there's a good chance this will be changing soon anyway.

Its so nice to see everyone is so in favor of the Wilpons saving a few bucks lately though. Never knew they had such fans.
this team was 10 gms under .500 at the ASB even w/ Pete the almighty  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 2:27 pm : link
for those 2 extra weeks. A lot of good it did. Pretty sure they could have been 10 games under without him too. Especially since JD Davis and Dom Smith were pretty good whenever they got to play regularly.

If the Mets want credit for keeping Alonso up then resign him long term like the Braves did with Acuna and Albies. As an overage rookie Pete should be even more motivated to get paid asap. Anything else is noise because if they play their typical mid-market payroll BS the unquestionably better move was getting 1 more year of Pete at the league minimum. It's literally not debatable. The better Alonso's year is the more that is true, not less.
RE: this team was 10 gms under .500 at the ASB even w/ Pete the almighty  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14590626 Eric on Li said:
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for those 2 extra weeks. A lot of good it did. Pretty sure they could have been 10 games under without him too. Especially since JD Davis and Dom Smith were pretty good whenever they got to play regularly.

If the Mets want credit for keeping Alonso up then resign him long term like the Braves did with Acuna and Albies. As an overage rookie Pete should be even more motivated to get paid asap. Anything else is noise because if they play their typical mid-market payroll BS the unquestionably better move was getting 1 more year of Pete at the league minimum. It's literally not debatable. The better Alonso's year is the more that is true, not less.


They aren't giving him an extension with 5 years of control though. Maybe in a year I could see it.
I'm still keeping up hope  
CMicks3110 : 9/21/2019 2:33 pm : link
that the Mets can make it this year, it's a miracle of course, but I love this team too. THey are fun to watch.

As for the off-season, I would hate to break this group up. Really hope we can re-sign Wheelz. I'm not sure what else we need to do. We really need Diaz/Familia to turn it around, and then we need to get a reliable reliever or two and some SP depth.

The money thing is really annoying. We need to sign players like Nimmo, Alonso, Rosario, Conforto to team freindly contracts, but we have no payroll because we're spending a boatload on Cano, Familia, Cespedes, Lowrie.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the off-season. If we had some more depth at the upper levels, I would say it's a no brainer to trade a Syndergaard, but without a viable replacement, I don't' see how we can do that.
Also because of his age and the nature of the position  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:33 pm : link
Pete isn't likely to get a mega deal. Goldschmidt is probably the best comparison Pete could hope to have in 5 years. Not only was Goldy a perennial MVP contender and one of the best bats, he was also a gold glover.

Goldschmidt got 5 years, 130 million.

I could see Pete getting something like this if he maintains what he's doing now and stays healthy.

That's nice and all but he isnt likely to get anything like Harper or Machado.
doesn't matter when they do it they just need to be prepared to do it  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 2:35 pm : link
If they cry "woe is me" on the payroll in 2022 because they have to pay Alonso an extra $5-10m, Thor/Conforto hitting UFA, and Cano's corpse still has another 2 years / $40m left they have only themselves to blame.
Assuming the Mets stay around the luxury tax going forward  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:38 pm : link
I dont think the Mets fans have a right to complain about money anymore. Maybe how they spend that money is relevant, but "cheap" just doesnt work anymore.

And as fans we should 100% NOT want them to go over the luxury tax. Its no longer a slap on the wrist. It directly effects our draft pool, ect.
Albies got 7/35m with 2 club options, Acuna got 8/100m with 2 options  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 2:39 pm : link
early extensions aren't going to be the "mega" variety - but both players are locked down through their age 30 seasons. We already have Alonso's rights through his age 30 year so Mets are in the driver's seat on a team friendly extension if they want it.
If the Mets  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2019 2:42 pm : link
do not offer Wheeler the QO, Mets fans absolutely should complain about the club being cheap.

Because if they don't do it, it would be solely out of fear he accepts.

And most fans complain more about the team recouping insurance money from players like Cespedes and Wright and not reinvesting it in the payroll, instead citing payroll numbers including full salaries for players like Cespedes and Wright.

Plus the Mets probably insured Lowrie's contract.
Met fans absolutely have a right to complain about they spend the $  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 2:42 pm : link
if they are delusional enough to take on the worst contract in baseball like Cano and a big chunk of that money is coming back to them in the form of insurance $ (Cespedes). If they let Wheeler walk, and even worse don't qualify him, that's a direct result of their ridiculous decisions re: $ allocation.
RE: Albies got 7/35m with 2 club options, Acuna got 8/100m with 2 options  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14590637 Eric on Li said:
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early extensions aren't going to be the "mega" variety - but both players are locked down through their age 30 seasons. We already have Alonso's rights through his age 30 year so Mets are in the driver's seat on a team friendly extension if they want it.


Not every situation is the same though. Those were young kids coming from other countries. They were probably used to living in poverty and their families probably needed financial security back home. I remember when we tried to lock Lagares and Duda up with similar offers. Lagares jumped but Duda declined. Pete has money (just won a million at the HR Derby) grew up in America... etc. I actually think the extensions the Braves did were absolute heists and not normal.
RE: If the Mets  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14590639 pjcas18 said:
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do not offer Wheeler the QO, Mets fans absolutely should complain about the club being cheap.

Because if they don't do it, it would be solely out of fear he accepts.

And most fans complain more about the team recouping insurance money from players like Cespedes and Wright and not reinvesting it in the payroll, instead citing payroll numbers including full salaries for players like Cespedes and Wright.

Plus the Mets probably insured Lowrie's contract.


Insurance payouts have nothing to do with the luxury tax. I think you're missing the point. If the Mets go over the luxury tax it directly hurts the club. Whether the Wilpons recap a little coin on injured players or not (I would imagine every team in baseball deals with this) is irrelevant to us staying under the tax.

Almost seems like fans are blaming the Wilpons for injuries... almost like they are purposely signing players they know will get injured so they can recoup some vacation money later.
RE: Met fans absolutely have a right to complain about they spend the $  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14590640 Eric on Li said:
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if they are delusional enough to take on the worst contract in baseball like Cano and a big chunk of that money is coming back to them in the form of insurance $ (Cespedes). If they let Wheeler walk, and even worse don't qualify him, that's a direct result of their ridiculous decisions re: $ allocation.


20 million AAV for Cano isnt close to the "worst contract in baseball" but nice try. Cespedes might be closer to that but he also could be healthier next year and we could get a little production but more importantly its also his last year. Its not strangling the franchise much going forward.
And I want Wheeler re-signed as much as anyone...  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 2:50 pm : link
Keep the whole band together...

But when you purposely trade for a guy signed through 2020 thats due to make 18 million next year *Stroman" as a hedge to losing Wheeler... Again... that's not really being cheap.
What contract is currently worse than 4 more years of Cano?  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 3:00 pm : link
Pujols has 2 years left.
Cespedes only has 1 year left and it's near 75% insured, so him not playing is actually ideal.
Darvish has same years/$ left as Cano and was worth 2 fwar this year. And he's 3+ years younger.
Heyward has about the same years/$ left and he was also worth 2 fwar this year. And he's almost 7 years younger.

with 400 AB's Cano is currently worth .8 fwar, he's be below league average as a hitter, there are only 5 2b worse in the field by DRS, and he turns 37 years old next month.

Seriously, what contract is worse than Canos?
Being cheap  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2019 3:01 pm : link
is not offering Wheeler the QO, like I said. Stroman changes nothing wrt to Wheeler and the QO. You are thinking already the way the Mets will spin it. "we did not view wheeler in our plan since we have Stroman" or some bullshit like that.

It's a no-brainer that Wheeler will not accept the QO and then the Mets should try and work out an extension with him, if the bidding gets crazy and some team massively overpays, the c'est la vie. but not offering the QO and not making at least an effort to keep a player here who wants to be here and is a valuable commodity it would be 100% financial.

And no one blames the Wilpons for injuries that's ridiculous to claim, but reality is the Mets haven't sniffed the luxury tax in probably a decade, but still have received insurance money back on wright and Cespedes that they have not obviously reinvested in the team. That's what I am referring to and even this year I don't think the Mets are that close to the LT - depending on arbitration.
RE: And I want Wheeler re-signed as much as anyone...  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14590648 ZGiants98 said:
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Keep the whole band together...

But when you purposely trade for a guy signed through 2020 thats due to make 18 million next year *Stroman" as a hedge to losing Wheeler... Again... that's not really being cheap.


It's not being cheap as much as it's being stupid. They could have just kept Kay for the league minimum and resigned Wheeler (who I'd personally prefer to Stroman in the first place).
RE: What contract is currently worse than 4 more years of Cano?  
ZGiants98 : 9/21/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14590651 Eric on Li said:
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Pujols has 2 years left.
Cespedes only has 1 year left and it's near 75% insured, so him not playing is actually ideal.
Darvish has same years/$ left as Cano and was worth 2 fwar this year. And he's 3+ years younger.
Heyward has about the same years/$ left and he was also worth 2 fwar this year. And he's almost 7 years younger.

with 400 AB's Cano is currently worth .8 fwar, he's be below league average as a hitter, there are only 5 2b worse in the field by DRS, and he turns 37 years old next month.

Seriously, what contract is worse than Canos?


Seriously? Ever heard of Giancarlo Stanton? How about Bryce Harper and Machado? How much do you think those players helped their clubs? There are dozens more. And give me a break with Cano. He's been on fire the second half. He isn't "done". The hand injuries in the first half appear to have directly hurt his line.
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