I know we have been behind a lot BUT

are never in sync. And you said it yourself, we were always behind. And with no semblance of an offensive scheme it is hard to say whether more plays were called for Barkley and Eli changed them or they just figured they werent winning anyhow why use him. Either way I agree that Barkley should get more touches.

Jones will be able to sustain some drives/convert on third down to enable Barkley to get into a flow.

It’s why most poor defensive teams have out of whack run pass ratios

and that will get SB more carries. Eli has been awful on third down for last 3 years...

being behind would mean we are throwing (The Jets have been behind, the Panthers behind), how come they can get the ball to their Main and in some cases sole play maker?

The passing game needs to make sure it has a healthy dose of plays specific to Barkley and not just check downs.

even in the passing game. I have seen defenders show up when the ball gets there.

Maybe Jones can run the simple screen that we seldom see...

"OK should have run the ball there" but honestly it's few and far between. The problem really is that we end up with a lot of 3rd and medium or 3rd and long and you're just not going to run the ball to try to pick up the first from there. So we throw instead and it's either incomplete or it's a check down and we punt. Also we're sometimes driving and get a penalty and end up in 3rd and medium or long that way and the same thing happens.

Again, there was a point in the Dallas game where it was 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 and we didn't run Barkley and I was like WTF. Then you also have to realize we have no other offense so of course the D is going to be set up to stop Barkley on a a 3rd or 4th and 1 like that so it wouldn't have worked anyway.

It's not so easy to just say "well look at Barkley's averages if we ran the ball more clearly our offense would have scored more points." As though running the ball on 3rd and 9 instead of throwing an incomplete pass/checkdown would have somehow magically gotten us the first down.

This team is just not built to win right now. Simple as that. Barkley an amazing player but just giving him the ball more is not going to win games for us (as some on this board have suggested).

The Giants Red Zone offense has been awful for 3 years now. It's so bad. So defenses may be content to play 7 in the box (as opposed to 8) and give Barkley his yards knowing that the Giants aren't going beat them through the air with their awful WR corps and bland passing attack, and knowing that once the Giants make it in the red zone they can just stack the box and stop Barkley knowing that the Giants Red Zone passing attack can easily be stopped with few resources. I'm not an expert but my point is that NFL defenses are savvy and it's easy for them to find ways to keep a bad offense with ONE good player from scoring a lot of points. There are lot of ways to do it.

As another poster said stats do not tell the whole story in a football game and you can just extrapolate them out and assume giving Barkley the ball more results in us scoring 30 points a game all of a sudden.

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of analyzing each week for DFS purposes, the point isn't should have run or should ahve passed to Barkley here or there, the fact is the fact, you have to center your offense around Barkley. As Parcells used to say, I don't care if they we are going to run it, we are running it anyway.

The fact that we are not going to Barkley more often- doesn't mean av will stay at 7 plus etc. but, it will be taking advantage of the best RB we have had in years if not ever!

To say we are not built to win now has nothing to do with my statement.

In comment 14590251 jvm52106 said:

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of analyzing each week for DFS purposes, the point isn't should have run or should ahve passed to Barkley here or there, the fact is the fact, you have to center your offense around Barkley. As Parcells used to say, I don't care if they we are going to run it, we are running it anyway. The fact that we are not going to Barkley more often- doesn't mean av will stay at 7 plus etc. but, it will be taking advantage of the best RB we have had in years if not ever! To say we are not built to win now has nothing to do with my statement.

Winning in the modern NFL is dictated more by the passing game than the run game. The numbers point to it.

Behind for most of both games, then follow with a...”but”

You gave the reason why the stats are skewed

In comment 14590307 joeinpa said:

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Behind for most of both games, then follow with a...”but” You gave the reason why the stats are skewed

Well, here's the "But" - The problem is that the moment we are down by a score, Shurmur forgets that Barkley is on the roster. If we were down by 3 or more scores, then you can justify slinging the ball around the yard to catch-up while preserving clock. The only time we should see Gallman is when Barkley rips off a long run. Give him a breather to take a few drags of oxygen and get him back out there. Barkley as a decoy is a better weapon than Gallman.

How are those teams doing? I’ll wait

Tampa will be selling out to stop the run even more than our opponents in weeks 1and 2. And there was a lot of that going on then. Jones will have to have some reall success to get them to back off.

In comment 14590363 BillT said:

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Tampa will be selling out to stop the run even more than our opponents in weeks 1and 2. And there was a lot of that going on then. Jones will have to have some reall success to get them to back off.

Jones shreds Cover 1 with shoulder fake dime TD throws.

In comment 14590251 jvm52106 said:

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of analyzing each week for DFS purposes, the point isn't should have run or should ahve passed to Barkley here or there, the fact is the fact, you have to center your offense around Barkley. As Parcells used to say, I don't care if they we are going to run it, we are running it anyway. The fact that we are not going to Barkley more often- doesn't mean av will stay at 7 plus etc. but, it will be taking advantage of the best RB we have had in years if not ever! To say we are not built to win now has nothing to do with my statement.

We should be gameplanning around SB, like isolating him against a LB like BB does with Edelman instead of weanie wco Shurmure dragon spacing route sending SB to the flats like he's Tom Rathman.

In comment 14590182 Jimmy Googs said:

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and that will get SB more carries. Eli has been awful on third down for last 3 years...

Gotta love it! THE TEAM HAS BEEN AWFUL FOR 3+ YEARS!!!

In comment 14590363 BillT said:

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Tampa will be selling out to stop the run even more than our opponents in weeks 1and 2. And there was a lot of that going on then. Jones will have to have some reall success to get them to back off.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of read option. One, it makes the decision making easy on the QB. Two, it will open up things for Saquon. We will need to spread them out a little bit because they are very tough on the defensive line. Vea and Suh are probably a good a pairing up front against the rush as there is. Hopefully Zietlers shoulder holds up because if he leaves the game we'll be in for a long day.

Heard some beat guys talking about RPO to keep things simple for DJ. RPO is not a simple play, you have to make the run read and than you are reading the next two levels on the pass. So you are reading all 3 levels on one play. Kind of blows my mind these guys cover football and can't get basic shit right.

defense lines up to stop the run, you have to pass more often to keep them honest.

In comment 14590197 Jimmy Googs said:

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even in the passing game. I have seen defenders show up when the ball gets there. Maybe Jones can run the simple screen that we seldom see...

Excellent point Jones appears to have a much better touch
on the short passes Eli has never been good on screen plays
and short area touch passes if the O-line can improve
on screen pass blocking then Jones can get better results
in the screen game .

for a rookie QB?

I think that's fantasy land but we shall see...

In comment 14590478 Ira said:

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defense lines up to stop the run, you have to pass more often to keep them honest.

I just wish fans and the media would STFU about how much Barkley is used. When he gets stuffed for no gain because the defense is lined up to stop it then they bitch about how predictable the offense is.

In comment 14590259 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 14590251 jvm52106 said: Quote: of analyzing each week for DFS purposes, the point isn't should have run or should ahve passed to Barkley here or there, the fact is the fact, you have to center your offense around Barkley. As Parcells used to say, I don't care if they we are going to run it, we are running it anyway. The fact that we are not going to Barkley more often- doesn't mean av will stay at 7 plus etc. but, it will be taking advantage of the best RB we have had in years if not ever! To say we are not built to win now has nothing to do with my statement. Winning in the modern NFL is dictated more by the passing game than the run game. The numbers point to it.

Absolutely, because yards per passing attempt is greater than yards per rushing attempt. There is more risk when passing so there should be. There's a larger risk to passing the ball due to negative outcomes and turnover. Barkley's big play potential very quickly levels the playing field when talking about run vs. Pass and which is more productive. Also most of us don't care about Barkley's touches running versus pass, just get him the ball. He's probably the most dangerous player in the NFL with the ball in his hands. I love the idea of passing it to him, split him out wide, don't just pass to him out of the backfield, use him as a receiver.