And we’re not executing right now. Can’t blame it on the 3-4 system, but can blame it on the coach with the amount of miscommunications the defense has.
Buffalo scored on 3 variations of a jet sweep in the red zone, someone has to make an adjustment on how to cover that play and communicate it to the defense, it just didn’t look like that happend.
Fingers crossed that this is a repeat of the 07 season where we get it together in game 3 and the defense plays well for the rest of the year. (Not expecting this turns into a SuperBowl or even playoff appearance FYI)
I think the defense is going to continue to improve Â
however Baker may need a year under his belt before he makes the jump to NFL play and he's a weak link right now.
I like the Defensive front a lot Hill, Tomlinson, Lawrence
I think the LBs are a WiP, but, with Connelly, better than they've been in a while
the backfield is obviously taking a while to gel. I do think Baker has the athletic tools, however, I just don't know if he has the intelligence. I need to see him put it together. He is definitely one of the weakest links out there right now.
Especially when they are in zone, the backfield seem to have real issues on their assignments.
I also haven't seen that much out of Love yet.
Ballentine appears to have the best skill set and mentality of the three DBs they drafted this year.
It's not completely fair to dump it all on Bethea and Peppers when there are players they are trying to make up for right now
and I also wonder if Love would be better fit at linebacker, he seems to be pretty intelligent, he can move, and he's a solidly built specimen, just not very speedy.
Also I have to say that I really like Ximines - I think he's he is going to be a playa for us -- but he's only two games in on his NFL career
So as I see it there are real developmental issues on defense at LB and DB so it may take a while. Bettcher's Defense is very complicated too.
around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
We are not scoring enough points to win games period. Both sides of the ball have been for crap. Especially in the second half. These next two games will tell us where we are, both Are winnable.
sucks and I wish we would have hired a coach that ran a 4-3 scheme. The issue now is if we cut bait with Bettcher, you almost have to stick with a 3-4 which limits your coaching choices. Unless you want go start over again on the line and at LB since the schemes require different players. I hope I’m wrong and they turn it around at some point.
He has a style and that is what he plays, no matter if he has the talent for it or not. We seem much better suited to other styles, such as a 4-3, etc., but continues to play his way and we continue to give up TD drives whenever the other team needs it.
I don't read anything into last weeks 2nd half improvement either. I think Buffalo is a fairly bad team, and they too kthe foot of the gas in the 2nd half when they got way ahead. You'll notice that once we scored and cut the lead, they got their act together and put together another easy, long scoring drive. I think they could have been doing that all game long.
RE: Bettcher is a big disappointment - I don't think it's myopic to look Â
around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This, good post. I expected them to be like a 15-20 ranked defense this year with all of the young players. Not last in the league.
as two way 4-3 ERs are unicorns. Don't like the high risk/reward nature of Butcher's D, especially not complementary to a team with a RB as its primary weapon.
He has a style and that is what he plays, no matter if he has the talent for it or not. We seem much better suited to other styles, such as a 4-3, etc., but continues to play his way and we continue to give up TD drives whenever the other team needs it.
I don't read anything into last weeks 2nd half improvement either. I think Buffalo is a fairly bad team, and they too kthe foot of the gas in the 2nd half when they got way ahead. You'll notice that once we scored and cut the lead, they got their act together and put together another easy, long scoring drive. I think they could have been doing that all game long.
We really should see more 4-3 DLawII, McIntosh, Tomlinson, and Hill.
And go full betch or modified betch up front. Simplify back end assignments take a chance on man cover. Pierre got a sack, system guy, marginal athlete, what's that tell you?
You don't hire a coach and then tell him to use a different system. Stay the course and the all D draft as suggested last year.
This is just example 1 million that loading up on 6 Jalen Ramsey’s in the secondary won’t make your defense good. This is why I was aggravated with how the draft unfolded.
If you can’t pressure the QB your defense is going to suck. If you can rush the passer you can field a winning defense even if your secondary sucks.
The defense needed to be built with that premise — instead they built it ass backwards.
so he’s going to have to get creative to get pressure. The coverage is maddening, with DB’s regularly giving 10 yard cushions. Betch is going to have to be more aggressive there, you can’t give NFL QB’s time AND soft coverage.
and the players we have are better suited for it .
I would try to move Tomlinson I don't look at him
as starter material , he would be better suited as a
backup in a 4-3 .
the DBs need to really up their games and communicate better
Id like to see this guy run delayed blitzes, stunts, saftey or CB blitzes and occasionally bring the house.
With Jones hopefully the D will be better rested between stints.
In other words, Jones has to make the 3rd down throws Eli has struggled with. Keep our D rested and off the field
We're trying to run a 3-4 with absolutely zero talent at linebacker Â
around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This is spot on. We can’t expect the defense to only be competitive if you have Stratham, Tuck and Osi on the line. The team has spent a lot of capital on the defense, and so far nothing is working. Yes, they are young. But how many times do we see good DCs make competent defenses out of units that were terrible the year before.
By the end of the year this defense needs to be showing significant improvement or Bettcher rightly should be on the hot seat. Some of these guys need to just become better players because they are being coached correctly and the scheme is tailored to what they do best.
different scheme. this site spent countless clicks on posters yelling for 3-4, now have posters lamenting switch and wishing”if only we could go to 4-3”. it’s bullshit.
When parcells and Belichek, rightly revered guys, switched giants from 4-3 to 3-4 it was to “get most talented guys on field together” as expressed by Bill P. That especially was aimed to get Harry Carson and Danny Lloyd together to play ILB. Lloyd did come down with Hodgkin lymphoma and ended up being replaced eventually by Gary Reasons.
At any rate it’s not the scheme it’s how you get your most talented players out there so you can scheme. Parcels was a great talent evaluator, Little Bill a great schemer, it worked to perfection.The Giants of the 21st century have to try and do the same.
sucks and I wish we would have hired a coach that ran a 4-3 scheme. The issue now is if we cut bait with Bettcher, you almost have to stick with a 3-4 which limits your coaching choices. Unless you want go start over again on the line and at LB since the schemes require different players. I hope I’m wrong and they turn it around at some point.
I don't see our personnel unable to play in a 4-3. Our players can't play in a 3-4 now. I don't see how we would be hamstrung by only searching for coaches that run a 3-4.
Baker may need a year under his belt before he makes the jump to NFL play
If that is the case, then DG screwed up trading up into the first round for a player that needs red-shirt year. First round picks should not need a 1 year scholarship to be productive.
First round picks should not need a 1 year scholarship to be productiv Â
So false. Many 1st Rounders still need a year. Especially once you're out of the top 10-15 picks.
Also, the Giants have a lot of guys on D who aren't first-round picks. Connolly, Ballentine, Love, Beal, McIntosh, Hill, Carter, Ximenes... none of those guys are exactly veterans yet.
Not sure who is at fault, most likely a combination of players and coaching considering how bad it’s been. I like Bettcher but things have to improve one way or another.
This is what the red flags and alarm is about. Bettcher has had 20 games and I don't see improvement. Most disconcerting are the communication breakdowns. He's had guys from his Arizona unit here to facilitate understanding, DG has provided him with that both years. Martin, Bethea, Mauro and Golden all familiar with his defense. So what is going on?
The Giants have two recent 3rd round picks at OSLB, two UFAs from coordinator's team, the 3rd highest paid inside LB in the NFL -- how much more talent do you want?
But talent wins games. He needs to make adjustments though; simplify the gameplan for the younger players.
We’ve seen no indication he’s a good coach. I’ll post it over and over. He’s Tim Lewis. He’s another idiot who over schemes. Were were
Sold he was a great mind who would be using his players well. Theybdraft Baker a Man on man CB and have him play 10 yards off WRs and lots of zone. If we Are Lucky the next coach can Corey Webster him.
He and Shurmur were mistakes. Nice guys. Please let them go suck elsewhere
RE: RE: We're trying to run a 3-4 with absolutely zero talent at linebacker Â
The Giants have two recent 3rd round picks at OSLB, two UFAs from coordinator's team, the 3rd highest paid inside LB in the NFL -- how much more talent do you want?
At some point isn't it the coach?
It is both the coach and the players. Nobody gets a pass.
that preach to us that you can't evaluate a draft for 3 years, are evaluating these first and second year players as failures.
Every player on this defense, has different levels of experience and it's going to take time for these guys to evolve first as a positional unit then as a fully functional defensive team.
Most of us believed before the season started, that the personnel acquired were eventually be an upgrade over previous recent rosters. That is still the case.
We have better athletes with higher ceilings on this team now than in the last two or three seasons.
We need to be patient. We will get improvement every week.
Everything I read made me feel good about him.....no tds in three years.....he has swagger.......he is very sound technically to make up for his lack of speed.....
He has been worse than a bum. How could this be?
As for Bettcher, I’m very concerned about him being a good coach. They say good coaches use their players assets, not tries to fit them into their way of doing things. I wonder.....is he a good coach?
red flags, but still too early to form definitive assessment Â
- the LBs are poor in quality, two green outside guys who may pan out
- so poor Bettcher has elevated a low round rookie to be a starter
- never mind his 'pedigree', Ogletree was a bad signing ($$ and talent) when somehow this staff thought this team could compete in '18; he's history in waiting
- Golden was active vs Bills
- the secondary has been an absolute mess: inexperience, coaching, lack of talent? I think this is the main area by which to take the temp,
Bethea is the DB equivalent of the Ogletree signing, desperation
Bettcher didn’t suddenly go from one of the brighter DC stars while at Az to crap. Last year was a injury-riddled train wreck on D. This year, it’s ONLY 2 games, and he’s finally able to work with his type of players in addition to the youth he now has and must teach/coach..
Give the guy some time to coach up these guys while the newer vets acclimate with the young pups.
Obviously they have to take quick looks from time to time, but you do so while you keep moving your feet along with your assignment. The Giants in pass coverage do not.
Not sure what is up with D. Baker but I will chalk it up to rookie learning curves as he was way too solid at UGA to play like this. If I had to guess he was shocked how Dallas exposed him and then he overcorrected vs Buffalo.
He needs some confidence building games and hopefully they come soon so coaches don't have to make a change...
RE: RE: Bettcher is a big disappointment - I don't think it's myopic to look Â
around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This is spot on. We can’t expect the defense to only be competitive if you have Stratham, Tuck and Osi on the line. The team has spent a lot of capital on the defense, and so far nothing is working. Yes, they are young. But how many times do we see good DCs make competent defenses out of units that were terrible the year before.
By the end of the year this defense needs to be showing significant improvement or Bettcher rightly should be on the hot seat. Some of these guys need to just become better players because they are being coached correctly and the scheme is tailored to what they do best.
Not only is it spot on, it's damning. I fear it's not the coaching, but an inability to tell when a player selected has the required talent in the first place -- by which I mean strength, speed, vision, football smarts, and awareness. The first two weeks make me think that our back four and most of our LBs just don't have these things to begin with. Without them, no amount of coaching is going to fix things. I can't buy the idea that the right coach can turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.
Mix up techniques aggressively to make each other free to rush by turns and open lanes for blitzers by turns. But you need lbs / s who know the scheme and get after it instantly.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
Mix up techniques aggressively to make each other free to rush by turns and open lanes for blitzers by turns. But you need lbs / s who know the scheme and get after it instantly.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
This team had lousy LB's when he came in. I thought it wrong to go after a coach who is more of a 3-4. I prefer more of a 4-3.
Thus I think the HC who hired him was wrong. ANd our HC PS - I remain skeptical of his abilities and think the GM who hired him was wrong.
And I remain skeptical of the GM. The self-proclaimed "annointed one" who feels a need to tell everyone he is so much smarter than anyone else. I think he is past his prime.
Thus you blame our old-timer owner whom I don't think understands the new age of football.
With all this said-- if Jones is "big hit" - eventually you can build a defense and build a power. Some of the drafts with the DB's and LB's there has to be a couple of successes sprinkled in. Then you have another draft and with FA you can have a good team next year.
Though we can't forget this year's OL is doing well enough for 2 games. But if you are looking way in the future, our RT, and LT will fade. OFC Solder probably good through at least 2020, but he'll be fading. And the C right nos is a huge question too. Our young QB needs them.
Buffalo scored on 3 variations of a jet sweep in the red zone, someone has to make an adjustment on how to cover that play and communicate it to the defense, it just didn’t look like that happend.
Fingers crossed that this is a repeat of the 07 season where we get it together in game 3 and the defense plays well for the rest of the year. (Not expecting this turns into a SuperBowl or even playoff appearance FYI)
I like the Defensive front a lot Hill, Tomlinson, Lawrence
I think the LBs are a WiP, but, with Connelly, better than they've been in a while
the backfield is obviously taking a while to gel. I do think Baker has the athletic tools, however, I just don't know if he has the intelligence. I need to see him put it together. He is definitely one of the weakest links out there right now.
Especially when they are in zone, the backfield seem to have real issues on their assignments.
I also haven't seen that much out of Love yet.
Ballentine appears to have the best skill set and mentality of the three DBs they drafted this year.
It's not completely fair to dump it all on Bethea and Peppers when there are players they are trying to make up for right now
and I also wonder if Love would be better fit at linebacker, he seems to be pretty intelligent, he can move, and he's a solidly built specimen, just not very speedy.
Also I have to say that I really like Ximines - I think he's he is going to be a playa for us -- but he's only two games in on his NFL career
So as I see it there are real developmental issues on defense at LB and DB so it may take a while. Bettcher's Defense is very complicated too.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
I don't read anything into last weeks 2nd half improvement either. I think Buffalo is a fairly bad team, and they too kthe foot of the gas in the 2nd half when they got way ahead. You'll notice that once we scored and cut the lead, they got their act together and put together another easy, long scoring drive. I think they could have been doing that all game long.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This, good post. I expected them to be like a 15-20 ranked defense this year with all of the young players. Not last in the league.
I don't read anything into last weeks 2nd half improvement either. I think Buffalo is a fairly bad team, and they too kthe foot of the gas in the 2nd half when they got way ahead. You'll notice that once we scored and cut the lead, they got their act together and put together another easy, long scoring drive. I think they could have been doing that all game long.
We really should see more 4-3 DLawII, McIntosh, Tomlinson, and Hill.
You don't hire a coach and then tell him to use a different system. Stay the course and the all D draft as suggested last year.
After year 4 you can decude
If you can’t pressure the QB your defense is going to suck. If you can rush the passer you can field a winning defense even if your secondary sucks.
The defense needed to be built with that premise — instead they built it ass backwards.
I would try to move Tomlinson I don't look at him
as starter material , he would be better suited as a
backup in a 4-3 .
the DBs need to really up their games and communicate better
Id like to see this guy run delayed blitzes, stunts, saftey or CB blitzes and occasionally bring the house.
With Jones hopefully the D will be better rested between stints.
In other words, Jones has to make the 3rd down throws Eli has struggled with. Keep our D rested and off the field
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This is spot on. We can’t expect the defense to only be competitive if you have Stratham, Tuck and Osi on the line. The team has spent a lot of capital on the defense, and so far nothing is working. Yes, they are young. But how many times do we see good DCs make competent defenses out of units that were terrible the year before.
By the end of the year this defense needs to be showing significant improvement or Bettcher rightly should be on the hot seat. Some of these guys need to just become better players because they are being coached correctly and the scheme is tailored to what they do best.
When parcells and Belichek, rightly revered guys, switched giants from 4-3 to 3-4 it was to “get most talented guys on field together” as expressed by Bill P. That especially was aimed to get Harry Carson and Danny Lloyd together to play ILB. Lloyd did come down with Hodgkin lymphoma and ended up being replaced eventually by Gary Reasons.
At any rate it’s not the scheme it’s how you get your most talented players out there so you can scheme. Parcels was a great talent evaluator, Little Bill a great schemer, it worked to perfection.The Giants of the 21st century have to try and do the same.
I don't see our personnel unable to play in a 4-3. Our players can't play in a 3-4 now. I don't see how we would be hamstrung by only searching for coaches that run a 3-4.
If that is the case, then DG screwed up trading up into the first round for a player that needs red-shirt year. First round picks should not need a 1 year scholarship to be productive.
I am a Carter fan. I am hopeful for Ximines. They will need to step up
The Giants have two recent 3rd round picks at OSLB, two UFAs from coordinator's team, the 3rd highest paid inside LB in the NFL -- how much more talent do you want?
At some point isn't it the coach?
We’ve seen no indication he’s a good coach. I’ll post it over and over. He’s Tim Lewis. He’s another idiot who over schemes. Were were
Sold he was a great mind who would be using his players well. Theybdraft Baker a Man on man CB and have him play 10 yards off WRs and lots of zone. If we Are Lucky the next coach can Corey Webster him.
He and Shurmur were mistakes. Nice guys. Please let them go suck elsewhere
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So it's going about as well as I expected
The Giants have two recent 3rd round picks at OSLB, two UFAs from coordinator's team, the 3rd highest paid inside LB in the NFL -- how much more talent do you want?
At some point isn't it the coach?
It is both the coach and the players. Nobody gets a pass.
Every player on this defense, has different levels of experience and it's going to take time for these guys to evolve first as a positional unit then as a fully functional defensive team.
Most of us believed before the season started, that the personnel acquired were eventually be an upgrade over previous recent rosters. That is still the case.
We have better athletes with higher ceilings on this team now than in the last two or three seasons.
We need to be patient. We will get improvement every week.
He has been worse than a bum. How could this be?
As for Bettcher, I’m very concerned about him being a good coach. They say good coaches use their players assets, not tries to fit them into their way of doing things. I wonder.....is he a good coach?
- so poor Bettcher has elevated a low round rookie to be a starter
- never mind his 'pedigree', Ogletree was a bad signing ($$ and talent) when somehow this staff thought this team could compete in '18; he's history in waiting
- Golden was active vs Bills
- the secondary has been an absolute mess: inexperience, coaching, lack of talent? I think this is the main area by which to take the temp,
Bethea is the DB equivalent of the Ogletree signing, desperation
Give the guy some time to coach up these guys while the newer vets acclimate with the young pups.
This is where my all D draft was going, ilbs and safeties.
Yep. Whatever it takes to produce a winning defense. He can add things to it once everyone knows where their assignments are.
It should not be THIS bad.
Obviously they have to take quick looks from time to time, but you do so while you keep moving your feet along with your assignment. The Giants in pass coverage do not.
Not sure what is up with D. Baker but I will chalk it up to rookie learning curves as he was way too solid at UGA to play like this. If I had to guess he was shocked how Dallas exposed him and then he overcorrected vs Buffalo.
He needs some confidence building games and hopefully they come soon so coaches don't have to make a change...
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around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This is spot on. We can’t expect the defense to only be competitive if you have Stratham, Tuck and Osi on the line. The team has spent a lot of capital on the defense, and so far nothing is working. Yes, they are young. But how many times do we see good DCs make competent defenses out of units that were terrible the year before.
By the end of the year this defense needs to be showing significant improvement or Bettcher rightly should be on the hot seat. Some of these guys need to just become better players because they are being coached correctly and the scheme is tailored to what they do best.
Not only is it spot on, it's damning. I fear it's not the coaching, but an inability to tell when a player selected has the required talent in the first place -- by which I mean strength, speed, vision, football smarts, and awareness. The first two weeks make me think that our back four and most of our LBs just don't have these things to begin with. Without them, no amount of coaching is going to fix things. I can't buy the idea that the right coach can turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.
They are not.
That, and there are 3 DT on the field. No pass rush there.
Which is fine if they all draw doubles, but they aren’t.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
This team had lousy LB's when he came in. I thought it wrong to go after a coach who is more of a 3-4. I prefer more of a 4-3.
Thus I think the HC who hired him was wrong. ANd our HC PS - I remain skeptical of his abilities and think the GM who hired him was wrong.
And I remain skeptical of the GM. The self-proclaimed "annointed one" who feels a need to tell everyone he is so much smarter than anyone else. I think he is past his prime.
Thus you blame our old-timer owner whom I don't think understands the new age of football.
With all this said-- if Jones is "big hit" - eventually you can build a defense and build a power. Some of the drafts with the DB's and LB's there has to be a couple of successes sprinkled in. Then you have another draft and with FA you can have a good team next year.
Though we can't forget this year's OL is doing well enough for 2 games. But if you are looking way in the future, our RT, and LT will fade. OFC Solder probably good through at least 2020, but he'll be fading. And the C right nos is a huge question too. Our young QB needs them.