that preach to us that you can't evaluate a draft for 3 years, are evaluating these first and second year players as failures.
Every player on this defense, has different levels of experience and it's going to take time for these guys to evolve first as a positional unit then as a fully functional defensive team.
Most of us believed before the season started, that the personnel acquired were eventually be an upgrade over previous recent rosters. That is still the case.
We have better athletes with higher ceilings on this team now than in the last two or three seasons.
We need to be patient. We will get improvement every week.
Everything I read made me feel good about him.....no tds in three years.....he has swagger.......he is very sound technically to make up for his lack of speed.....
He has been worse than a bum. How could this be?
As for Bettcher, I’m very concerned about him being a good coach. They say good coaches use their players assets, not tries to fit them into their way of doing things. I wonder.....is he a good coach?
red flags, but still too early to form definitive assessment Â
- the LBs are poor in quality, two green outside guys who may pan out
- so poor Bettcher has elevated a low round rookie to be a starter
- never mind his 'pedigree', Ogletree was a bad signing ($$ and talent) when somehow this staff thought this team could compete in '18; he's history in waiting
- Golden was active vs Bills
- the secondary has been an absolute mess: inexperience, coaching, lack of talent? I think this is the main area by which to take the temp,
Bethea is the DB equivalent of the Ogletree signing, desperation
Bettcher didn’t suddenly go from one of the brighter DC stars while at Az to crap. Last year was a injury-riddled train wreck on D. This year, it’s ONLY 2 games, and he’s finally able to work with his type of players in addition to the youth he now has and must teach/coach..
Give the guy some time to coach up these guys while the newer vets acclimate with the young pups.
Obviously they have to take quick looks from time to time, but you do so while you keep moving your feet along with your assignment. The Giants in pass coverage do not.
Not sure what is up with D. Baker but I will chalk it up to rookie learning curves as he was way too solid at UGA to play like this. If I had to guess he was shocked how Dallas exposed him and then he overcorrected vs Buffalo.
He needs some confidence building games and hopefully they come soon so coaches don't have to make a change...
RE: RE: Bettcher is a big disappointment - I don't think it's myopic to look Â
around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This is spot on. We can’t expect the defense to only be competitive if you have Stratham, Tuck and Osi on the line. The team has spent a lot of capital on the defense, and so far nothing is working. Yes, they are young. But how many times do we see good DCs make competent defenses out of units that were terrible the year before.
By the end of the year this defense needs to be showing significant improvement or Bettcher rightly should be on the hot seat. Some of these guys need to just become better players because they are being coached correctly and the scheme is tailored to what they do best.
Not only is it spot on, it's damning. I fear it's not the coaching, but an inability to tell when a player selected has the required talent in the first place -- by which I mean strength, speed, vision, football smarts, and awareness. The first two weeks make me think that our back four and most of our LBs just don't have these things to begin with. Without them, no amount of coaching is going to fix things. I can't buy the idea that the right coach can turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.
Mix up techniques aggressively to make each other free to rush by turns and open lanes for blitzers by turns. But you need lbs / s who know the scheme and get after it instantly.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
Mix up techniques aggressively to make each other free to rush by turns and open lanes for blitzers by turns. But you need lbs / s who know the scheme and get after it instantly.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
This team had lousy LB's when he came in. I thought it wrong to go after a coach who is more of a 3-4. I prefer more of a 4-3.
Thus I think the HC who hired him was wrong. ANd our HC PS - I remain skeptical of his abilities and think the GM who hired him was wrong.
And I remain skeptical of the GM. The self-proclaimed "annointed one" who feels a need to tell everyone he is so much smarter than anyone else. I think he is past his prime.
Thus you blame our old-timer owner whom I don't think understands the new age of football.
With all this said-- if Jones is "big hit" - eventually you can build a defense and build a power. Some of the drafts with the DB's and LB's there has to be a couple of successes sprinkled in. Then you have another draft and with FA you can have a good team next year.
Though we can't forget this year's OL is doing well enough for 2 games. But if you are looking way in the future, our RT, and LT will fade. OFC Solder probably good through at least 2020, but he'll be fading. And the C right nos is a huge question too. Our young QB needs them.
Every player on this defense, has different levels of experience and it's going to take time for these guys to evolve first as a positional unit then as a fully functional defensive team.
Most of us believed before the season started, that the personnel acquired were eventually be an upgrade over previous recent rosters. That is still the case.
We have better athletes with higher ceilings on this team now than in the last two or three seasons.
We need to be patient. We will get improvement every week.
He has been worse than a bum. How could this be?
As for Bettcher, I’m very concerned about him being a good coach. They say good coaches use their players assets, not tries to fit them into their way of doing things. I wonder.....is he a good coach?
- so poor Bettcher has elevated a low round rookie to be a starter
- never mind his 'pedigree', Ogletree was a bad signing ($$ and talent) when somehow this staff thought this team could compete in '18; he's history in waiting
- Golden was active vs Bills
- the secondary has been an absolute mess: inexperience, coaching, lack of talent? I think this is the main area by which to take the temp,
Bethea is the DB equivalent of the Ogletree signing, desperation
Give the guy some time to coach up these guys while the newer vets acclimate with the young pups.
This is where my all D draft was going, ilbs and safeties.
Yep. Whatever it takes to produce a winning defense. He can add things to it once everyone knows where their assignments are.
It should not be THIS bad.
Obviously they have to take quick looks from time to time, but you do so while you keep moving your feet along with your assignment. The Giants in pass coverage do not.
Not sure what is up with D. Baker but I will chalk it up to rookie learning curves as he was way too solid at UGA to play like this. If I had to guess he was shocked how Dallas exposed him and then he overcorrected vs Buffalo.
He needs some confidence building games and hopefully they come soon so coaches don't have to make a change...
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around at other coaches who have come in and had at least a competitive defense pretty much right away. Greg Williams' D played well for 3 quarters against the browns on Monday night with a few of their best players hurt (including Mosley) and a combination of rookies and no names starting throughout. It was his 2nd game there. Greg Williams is an asshole no doubt, but he can coach D.
What Marinelli did with the Cowboys when he first took over in 2014 was even more impressive - I've never seen such an under-talented defense play competitive football. They won the division starting George Selvie at DE for crying out loud.
So all that said let's look at the resources Bettcher's had input in acquiring:
- 2 first round picks
- 4 third round picks
- 4 former players from AZ
- 1 costly veteran via trade
- 5 mid/late round picks
He also inherited 1 still young first round pick, 1 still young second round pick, and 5 former all pros who were at the time under 30 (5 of those 7 are gone). So while there are fundamental issues with this D that pre-date him, the cupboard wasn't completely bare and the significant investments have been made over the past 18 months (especially via 2019 draft). The fact that there's been regression not improvement is troubling. It could be the integration of young players and if that's the case there must be significant improvement this year, otherwise they should be looking for an upgrade.
This is spot on. We can’t expect the defense to only be competitive if you have Stratham, Tuck and Osi on the line. The team has spent a lot of capital on the defense, and so far nothing is working. Yes, they are young. But how many times do we see good DCs make competent defenses out of units that were terrible the year before.
By the end of the year this defense needs to be showing significant improvement or Bettcher rightly should be on the hot seat. Some of these guys need to just become better players because they are being coached correctly and the scheme is tailored to what they do best.
Not only is it spot on, it's damning. I fear it's not the coaching, but an inability to tell when a player selected has the required talent in the first place -- by which I mean strength, speed, vision, football smarts, and awareness. The first two weeks make me think that our back four and most of our LBs just don't have these things to begin with. Without them, no amount of coaching is going to fix things. I can't buy the idea that the right coach can turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.
They are not.
That, and there are 3 DT on the field. No pass rush there.
Which is fine if they all draw doubles, but they aren’t.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
Also you mix in the 3/4 end types.
There's plenty this current DL can do and probably will. But the lbs and s need to get on board fast.
This team had lousy LB's when he came in. I thought it wrong to go after a coach who is more of a 3-4. I prefer more of a 4-3.
Thus I think the HC who hired him was wrong. ANd our HC PS - I remain skeptical of his abilities and think the GM who hired him was wrong.
And I remain skeptical of the GM. The self-proclaimed "annointed one" who feels a need to tell everyone he is so much smarter than anyone else. I think he is past his prime.
Thus you blame our old-timer owner whom I don't think understands the new age of football.
With all this said-- if Jones is "big hit" - eventually you can build a defense and build a power. Some of the drafts with the DB's and LB's there has to be a couple of successes sprinkled in. Then you have another draft and with FA you can have a good team next year.
Though we can't forget this year's OL is doing well enough for 2 games. But if you are looking way in the future, our RT, and LT will fade. OFC Solder probably good through at least 2020, but he'll be fading. And the C right nos is a huge question too. Our young QB needs them.