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Re-watch the 2011 season highlights re: Eli Manning

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 9:56 am
Not the short video that NFL Films put out by the longer, game-by-game DVD if you have it.

Eli should have been league MVP that year. Eight 4th-quarter comebacks... no running game or defense during the regular season. He - along with Cruz, Nicks, Manningham, and Ballard - carried that team to the division title.

It was the pinnacle of Eli's career.
Agreed  
JohnG in Albany : 9/21/2019 9:59 am : link
I was beginning to think that I was the only one who remembered it that way.

I began to doubt myself. *grin*
Over Rodgers?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/21/2019 10:03 am : link
Who went 15-1?
Manning in 2011  
JohnG in Albany : 9/21/2019 10:05 am : link
I was referring more to how well he played that year, not specifically about him receiving the MVP.

Completely agree  
widmerseyebrow : 9/21/2019 10:07 am : link
Considering his defense and running game, the comebacks, and the end result he was absolutely the best that year.
Lots of stats people  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/21/2019 10:10 am : link
try to present their cases. It is just how things are however shortsighted.

I think he was definitely in strong consideration that year and the playoff performance certainly in the top three in history.

The thing that always bothered me was that performance was not a anomaly. The next two years he lost both of those WR's (Nicks to me was the much bigger loss in 2012) and the line went from passable in the playoffs to very poor. That issue was never fixed.

Eli should have had at least had 3-4 more very good years of high performance and most likely are far more positive outlook of his career. Very unfortunate.
RE: Over Rodgers?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14590421 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Who went 15-1?


Eli carried the #27 defense and the #32 ranked running game.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 10:21 am : link
Serious question... has a team with defensive and running game rankings so low EVER made the playoffs? Or even had a winning record?
I remember thinking...  
JohnG in Albany : 9/21/2019 10:22 am : link
that that was a 4 win team without Manning's play.
RE: I remember thinking...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14590435 JohnG in Albany said:
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that that was a 4 win team without Manning's play.


People forget how horrific our defense was until the Jets game. Same with the running game.

The defense blew lead after lead and Eli had to save their necks. That was the year Justin Tuck moped until he had a heart-to-heart with Coughlin.
RE: RE: I remember thinking...  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/21/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14590439 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14590435 JohnG in Albany said:


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that that was a 4 win team without Manning's play.



People forget how horrific our defense was until the Jets game. Same with the running game.

The defense blew lead after lead and Eli had to save their necks. That was the year Justin Tuck moped until he had a heart-to-heart with Coughlin.


Yes it was. However, they may have had the best WR trio in the league and both Nicks and Cruz were at a elite level which helped overcome those deficiencies. When the running game and defense came around they became a very good team.
Lines of Scrimmage  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 10:36 am : link
I suggest you go back and re-watch the DVD if you have it. The throws he made in clutch situations over and over again in each game were amazing. Defense stole a couple of other Eli 4th-quarter comebacks too (like the Packers regular season game).

One of his go-to guys was Ballard.
2011 America's Games  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2019 10:38 am : link
The 2010 season still pisses me off.
America's Game 2011 New York Giants SB XLVI Champions - ( New Window )
RE: Lines of Scrimmage  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/21/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14590447 Eric from BBI said:
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I suggest you go back and re-watch the DVD if you have it. The throws he made in clutch situations over and over again in each game were amazing. Defense stole a couple of other Eli 4th-quarter comebacks too (like the Packers regular season game).

One of his go-to guys was Ballard.


I believe you. He was magnificent that year and that was a really special team.
Eric...completely agree  
Chris684 : 9/21/2019 10:38 am : link
Eli was at the top of the sport WITH Brady and Rodgers in 2011.

Eli is going to the Hall.

Multiple SB MVPs on a list with Montana, Starr, Brady and Bradshaw.

All the major stats are top 10 for career.

Iron Man streak.

Walter Payton man of the Year.

His 2 Super Bowl changing plays.

He’s going.
That's a Hall of Fame Player  
Jesse B : 9/21/2019 10:38 am : link
in that 2011 season, and I think the reason non-Giants fans don't consider Eli a HOF often. He didn't look like that nearly enough in his career, but what a glorious year that was. Nicks too was so good that year it's tragic he pretty much was never the same player after the Buccaneers game
Eli's  
crick n NC : 9/21/2019 11:00 am : link
Overall body of work is better than Rodgers in 2011.
RE: That's a Hall of Fame Player  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14590452 Jesse B said:
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in that 2011 season, and I think the reason non-Giants fans don't consider Eli a HOF often. He didn't look like that nearly enough in his career, but what a glorious year that was. Nicks too was so good that year it's tragic he pretty much was never the same player after the Buccaneers game


Bingo. I think people were expecting Eli to have a 2011 year more often than he did.
That year and that NFC Championship game  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/21/2019 11:20 am : link
We’re 100% Eli guts! He just willed that team.

It’s a shame the Giants wasted the next 3 years of his “prime”

Unfortunately when most people emotionally react to Eli’s benching they are remembering 2011 Eli. Not 2017-2019 Eli. Everyone gets old. Nobody plays forever.

But man, Eli was great in 2011. That’s for sure.
This is why my 1st born son was named Eli in 2012.  
penkap75 : 9/21/2019 11:55 am : link
JPP also singlehandedly (ironic now) carried the D in 2011.
I’ve always thought that  
exiled : 9/21/2019 12:08 pm : link
Now I wish U had that Highlight DVD
Eli's best year  
bluepepper : 9/21/2019 12:43 pm : link
The one spell when I really though Eli was a top tier QB was 2011 into mid-2012.

That sad the fact is 45 TD 6 Int and 15-1 is never not going to win MVP over 29 TD 16 Int and 9-7. And the Packers running game and defense were nothing to write home about that year.
Totally agree on him deserving MVP  
UberAlias : 9/21/2019 12:48 pm : link
He was off the charts good that year if you consider the full context.
2011 was a blessing and a curse  
WillVAB : 9/21/2019 1:10 pm : link
The Giants won it all with an OL on its last legs, bad running game, and a suspect defense. I think in some ways the title validated the roster building strategy to Reese which resulted in terrible drafts and rosters in subsequent years.
Eli was  
dlauster : 9/21/2019 1:12 pm : link
an amazing quarterback for 10 years, unfortunately he played for 15....

The Giants organization has much blame in the less than elegant end of his career, but so does Eli, he had to know that he was done a few years back. I simply cannot believe that such an intelligent athlete was not aware of his own declining skill set.

I will always remember him to the first half, not the second half, of his career.

In my opinion  
crick n NC : 9/21/2019 1:13 pm : link
It would be unrealistic expectations to expect seasons like 2011 from Manning. To me if that was your expectations then I would say perhaps you don't fully understand just how great that season was from a qb standpoint.
Ask 100 non-Giant fans  
KentGraham : 9/21/2019 1:36 pm : link
And I’m convinced most would say “defense carried him”
RE: In my opinion  
Junior22 : 9/21/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14590579 crick n NC said:
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It would be unrealistic expectations to expect seasons like 2011 from Manning. To me if that was your expectations then I would say perhaps you don't fully understand just how great that season was from a qb standpoint.


Eli 2011 stats are not legendary compared to Rodgers. Eli was clutch but not at anytime did any non eli fan thought he was the best qb that year
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christian : 9/21/2019 1:50 pm : link
Manning wasn't the MVP that year. Drew Brees had one of the great seasons a quarterback has ever had, and should have won. Rodgers was fantastic, but Brees was out of this world that year.

MVP is a regular season award, and Brees and Rodgers were regular season champs that year.

When it really mattered Manning was better than both.
Junior22  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 1:52 pm : link
8th 4th quarterback comeback wins in one season. Eight.

Almost had two more during the regular season, against the Packers and and 49ers.

He was 2-0 against Brady that year.

He was almost 2-0 against Rogers.

Absolutely Agree,  
clatterbuck : 9/21/2019 1:55 pm : link
And when the time comes, whoever is in the room making the case for Eli's HoF bona fides, the 2011 season, the way he carried the team in the regular season, the amazing playoff run, the courageous NFC championship game in SF, the perfect throw to Manningham in the SB, the second SB MVP should be part of a winning presentation. He damn well should have been MVP for that season.
RE: Over Rodgers?  
clatterbuck : 9/21/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14590421 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Who went 15-1?


Yes. Rodgers had a much better team and he lost in the playoffs at home.
Ballard's Success That Year  
clatterbuck : 9/21/2019 2:01 pm : link
just points up the importance of good coaching. Mike Pope made a player out of Ballard the same way he made a player out of Kevin Boss. Maybe he could have done the same with Adrien Robinson or Jerrell Adams. The importance of position coaching is too often overlooked.
RE: Lines of Scrimmage  
Justlurking : 9/21/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14590447 Eric from BBI said:
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I suggest you go back and re-watch the DVD if you have it. The throws he made in clutch situations over and over again in each game were amazing. Defense stole a couple of other Eli 4th-quarter comebacks too (like the Packers regular season game).

One of his go-to guys was Ballard.


That packers game was won for the packers by the refs. One of the most egregiously badly officiated games of all time. I believe they took a TD away from us.
He played better than Rodgers that year and deserved the League MVP  
BBelle21 : 9/21/2019 2:42 pm : link
This isn’t a new or controversial comment either. Many people outside of Giants fans agree. That year also felt like the pinnacle of Eli’s mastery in Gilbride’s offense. In hindsight, Reese and Ross should have rushed to rebuild the Oline like the Cowboys eventually did. You have a classic pocket passer that was now a 2xSBMVP. Seems bizarre how they did little to nothing to protect him.

RE: He played better than Rodgers that year and deserved the League MVP  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14590642 BBelle21 said:
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This isn’t a new or controversial comment either. Many people outside of Giants fans agree. That year also felt like the pinnacle of Eli’s mastery in Gilbride’s offense. In hindsight, Reese and Ross should have rushed to rebuild the Oline like the Cowboys eventually did. You have a classic pocket passer that was now a 2xSBMVP. Seems bizarre how they did little to nothing to protect him.

Yep. Makes me sad.
Eli played his ass off in 2011  
Rjanyg : 9/21/2019 4:07 pm : link
This is why so many people are pissed at Reese. He had to know his team needed a rebuild in the worst way. Why we didn’t stay a playoff team for the last 6 years is completely because of Ross and Reese.
I hate the narrative that has sprung up these last few years  
Walker Gillette : 9/21/2019 4:10 pm : link
that Eli was always this lumbering turnover machine. He was fantastic in 2011 and for a good ten tears I always felt that if the Giants were down with a chance to win and Eli got the ball back he'd drive down for the winning score. I was talking to a few Giant buddies this week who are delirious with hate for Eli and they both contend that he always "sucked" and that the defense won both Superbowls. So sad to hear that! I trust that as time goes by he will truly be appreciated for what he did in his time here.
During the first Dallas game,  
St. Jimmy : 9/21/2019 4:22 pm : link
I remember thinking what a shame it was. If this team had a defense they could win the Superbowl. The defense was 2019 Giants awful. Typical Fewell pass coverage. No one knew what the hell they were doing. It is pretty amazing the defense was able to turn it around.

That was a weird season in that they started out hot and then has 6-2 then lost 4 in a row and 5 out of 6. Amazing turn around.
Eli 2011 was not even his best year stats wise  
Junior22 : 9/21/2019 4:22 pm : link
2015 was better but he gets the pub for 2011 because team won ring

When is 29 tds and 16 picks a hot year

Packers defense was almost a bad as giants that year and Rodgers had less wr talent and threw 2 picks and had about 50 tds.

What made eli great that year was the clutch performance in big spots but a flip of a play here and they don't make playoffs

2015 was his best statistic season on a 6 win team

I never once thought eli was ever close to best qb in any given season

People talk about that 2011 like it was this legendary season when stats don't back it up and you can dig into stats and see other QBs did better with less but did not win a ring
RE: RE: He played better than Rodgers that year and deserved the League MVP  
BBelle21 : 9/21/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14590683 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14590642 BBelle21 said:


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This isn’t a new or controversial comment either. Many people outside of Giants fans agree. That year also felt like the pinnacle of Eli’s mastery in Gilbride’s offense. In hindsight, Reese and Ross should have rushed to rebuild the Oline like the Cowboys eventually did. You have a classic pocket passer that was now a 2xSBMVP. Seems bizarre how they did little to nothing to protect him.



Yep. Makes me sad.


Me too :)
RE: I hate the narrative that has sprung up these last few years  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/21/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14590702 Walker Gillette said:
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that Eli was always this lumbering turnover machine. He was fantastic in 2011 and for a good ten tears I always felt that if the Giants were down with a chance to win and Eli got the ball back he'd drive down for the winning score. I was talking to a few Giant buddies this week who are delirious with hate for Eli and they both contend that he always "sucked" and that the defense won both Superbowls. So sad to hear that! I trust that as time goes by he will truly be appreciated for what he did in his time here.


It's not a "narrative". His career turnovers are what they are. 7 years in the top 5 for INTs, including leading the league in INTs 2 or 3 times.

He is 14th all time in INT and 6th all time in fumbles. It's not good.
RE: Eli 2011 was not even his best year stats wise  
BBelle21 : 9/21/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14590709 Junior22 said:
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2015 was better but he gets the pub for 2011 because team won ring

When is 29 tds and 16 picks a hot year

Packers defense was almost a bad as giants that year and Rodgers had less wr talent and threw 2 picks and had about 50 tds.

What made eli great that year was the clutch performance in big spots but a flip of a play here and they don't make playoffs

2015 was his best statistic season on a 6 win team

I never once thought eli was ever close to best qb in any given season

People talk about that 2011 like it was this legendary season when stats don't back it up and you can dig into stats and see other QBs did better with less but did not win a ring


Idk, it was legendary though. Isn’t Eli the only QB in NFL history to throw for over 4900 yards and win the SBMVP in the same year while carrying a defense who gave up the most points in a season to actually reach a SB let alone win it? While taking the 4Q TD record from Peyton and Unitas? Other QBs that year may have had nicer stats in areas, but none can match what Eli did. Not sure how other QBs did better with less when Eli also had the 32nd ranked run game to “help” him.
RE: Junior22  
an_idol_mind : 9/21/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14590605 Eric from BBI said:
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8th 4th quarterback comeback wins in one season. Eight.

Almost had two more during the regular season, against the Packers and and 49ers.


He also came close to a win against Seattle, in which a Cruz stumble led to a game-ending pick six.

The offensive line showed its age that year badly. Diehl was falling off a cliff, MacKenzie was on his last legs, Baas didn't adequately replace O'Hara, and Snee was on a downslide.

The team's solution was to draft a running back, kick Diehl to right tackle, and make Will Beatty and Kevin Boothe starters. The team has never really recovered from that blunder.
RE: Eli 2011 was not even his best year stats wise  
Nine-Tails : 9/21/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14590709 Junior22 said:
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2015 was better but he gets the pub for 2011 because team won ring

When is 29 tds and 16 picks a hot year

Packers defense was almost a bad as giants that year and Rodgers had less wr talent and threw 2 picks and had about 50 tds.

What made eli great that year was the clutch performance in big spots but a flip of a play here and they don't make playoffs

2015 was his best statistic season on a 6 win team

I never once thought eli was ever close to best qb in any given season

People talk about that 2011 like it was this legendary season when stats don't back it up and you can dig into stats and see other QBs did better with less but did not win a ring


2011 was Elis best year, and he was amazing. But no way shape or form did he deserve the mvp award of Rodgers. Rodgers was simply an unstoppable force and overall impeccable qb play
Nine-Tails  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 5:18 pm : link
Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.
Giants played Green Bay about a month or so earlier  
Jimmy Googs : 9/21/2019 5:33 pm : link
and took them right down to the wire, scoring a lot of points on them albeit losing. I am sure that gave Giants a whole lot of confidence to play them again. Similar to Pats matchup in 2007.

Green By offense also came out flat in those 2011 playoffs...maybe from the week off.

Eric TY  
Thegratefulhead : 9/21/2019 5:33 pm : link
The 2011 season has been my biggest argument over The last 5 years about how much Eli had declined. To me it's just so obvious to the eye. We are finally past that. After the 2011 season I would not have traded Eli for any player in the NFL.
Eli put that team on his back  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/21/2019 5:34 pm : link
And carried them kicking and screaming into the playoffs.
At  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 5:54 pm : link
one point in the Atlanta playoff game, Brandon Jacobs turned to Eli and said, "You're a beast."
Re watch the 2011 highlights of re: Rodgers  
xman : 9/21/2019 6:01 pm : link
once I do that then I will weight in on the MVP
RE: In my opinion  
Jesse B : 9/21/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14590579 crick n NC said:
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It would be unrealistic expectations to expect seasons like 2011 from Manning. To me if that was your expectations then I would say perhaps you don't fully understand just how great that season was from a qb standpoint.


Tom Brady, peyton manning, Aaron Rodgers have had many seasons playing at a similar level consistently.
RE: Nine-Tails  
Junior22 : 9/21/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:
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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.


So we are back to giving eli the praise for 1 game but last 7 years it was not him but the front office?
RE: Nine-Tails  
Nine-Tails : 9/21/2019 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:
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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.


I don’t dispute that. But, Aaron Rodgers was the undisputed mvp during the regular season. One of the best regular season qb performances ever. Anyways, Eli won the award that matter
That  
AcidTest : 9/21/2019 6:55 pm : link
was the best year of Eli's career. He should have been the MVP if the entire season was considered. He carried the whole team.
RE: That  
Junior22 : 9/21/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14590814 AcidTest said:
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was the best year of Eli's career. He should have been the MVP if the entire season was considered. He carried the whole team.


Even if it was about the complete season eli was not close to Rodgers and breese that year
RE: Giants played Green Bay about a month or so earlier  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/21/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14590741 Jimmy Googs said:
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and took them right down to the wire, scoring a lot of points on them albeit losing. I am sure that gave Giants a whole lot of confidence to play them again. Similar to Pats matchup in 2007.

Green By offense also came out flat in those 2011 playoffs...maybe from the week off


Green Bay also scored two touchdowns on a terrible non fumble call and an egregious roughing the passer (when Rodgers was out of the pocket) on Umenyiora.
RE: Nine-Tails  
Nine-Tails : 9/21/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:
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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.


A similar example could be for Peyton’s year in 2014, he had a horrible Super Bowl, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have won the MVP for his record setting year.
RE: RE: That  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/21/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14590815 Junior22 said:
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was the best year of Eli's career. He should have been the MVP if the entire season was considered. He carried the whole team.



Even if it was about the complete season eli was not close to Rodgers and breese that year


Come on Junior, you never even had the makings of a varsity player.
Eli has two magical play off runs  
joeinpa : 9/21/2019 7:11 pm : link
He was an inconsistent regular season quarterback, but still managed to put up Hall of Fame numbers. He was great in the clutch up during more than a few seasons, but also a quarterback who turned the ball over way too much.

He has two Championships but is a 500 regular season quarterback. He was great in the play offs, but only won a play off game in 2 of 15 plus seasons as Giants quarterback.

Why can’t his supporters and his critics just accept him for what he was.

By the way the criticism of Jones as a fumbler kind of makes me laugh when you consider how often Eli fumbled.
RE: Eli has two magical play off runs  
Nine-Tails : 9/21/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14590833 joeinpa said:
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He was an inconsistent regular season quarterback, but still managed to put up Hall of Fame numbers. He was great in the clutch up during more than a few seasons, but also a quarterback who turned the ball over way too much.

He has two Championships but is a 500 regular season quarterback. He was great in the play offs, but only won a play off game in 2 of 15 plus seasons as Giants quarterback.

Why can’t his supporters and his critics just accept him for what he was.

By the way the criticism of Jones as a fumbler kind of makes me laugh when you consider how often Eli fumbled.


Your posts are great. Always able to give good insight in matters. I salute you sir
RE: At  
twostepgiants : 9/21/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14590758 Eric from BBI said:
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one point in the Atlanta playoff game, Brandon Jacobs turned to Eli and said, "You're a beast."


And this is the best reason why Rodgers was NFL MVP

The Giants beat Atlanta 27-2 largely on Eli dominating a full game. He had 277 yds and 3 TD and a 129 qb rating

No 4th quarter comeback reqired

Put those numbers over 16 games and you get 4432 yds and 46 TD or basically Rodgers season
RE: RE: Giants played Green Bay about a month or so earlier  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14590817 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 14590741 Jimmy Googs said:


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and took them right down to the wire, scoring a lot of points on them albeit losing. I am sure that gave Giants a whole lot of confidence to play them again. Similar to Pats matchup in 2007.

Green By offense also came out flat in those 2011 playoffs...maybe from the week off




Green Bay also scored two touchdowns on a terrible non fumble call and an egregious roughing the passer (when Rodgers was out of the pocket) on Umenyiora.

Yep. Refs gifted that first game to GB over the Giants. And they were trying their damnedest to influence the playoff game to GB... lol
Unfortunately  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 9:39 pm : link
a lot of masochistic Giants fans suffer from the same bug that caused those of similar ilk to demonize Phil Simms.

twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 9:41 pm : link
and yet when it really mattered, Rodgers was late on his throws and fumbled the ball away to the New York Giants.

Game. Set. Match.

Take your Eli hate someplace else.
RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14590801 Junior22 said:
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In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:


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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.



So we are back to giving eli the praise for 1 game but last 7 years it was not him but the front office?


No. Sounds like you want to promote a different agenda.

My point is clear. Eli's MVP season carried the NYGs to a Super Bowl.
Well, officially Eli had  
bw in dc : 9/21/2019 9:52 pm : link
five fourth QTR CBs (Sort "4QC").

Don't know where 8 is coming from...
League Leaders - ( New Window )
Eli was tied for 2nd...  
bw in dc : 9/21/2019 9:54 pm : link
that year in pick 6s.

I didn't realize it was that many. I recall maybe one...?
RE: Well, officially Eli had  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14590933 bw in dc said:
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five fourth QTR CBs (Sort "4QC").

Don't know where 8 is coming from... League Leaders - ( New Window )

Damn. Only 5??
RE: RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Junior22 : 9/21/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14590929 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:


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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.



So we are back to giving eli the praise for 1 game but last 7 years it was not him but the front office?



No. Sounds like you want to promote a different agenda.

My point is clear. Eli's MVP season carried the NYGs to a Super Bowl.


You know who else outplayed the league mvp and other QBs in route to a sb?

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson

The giants defense in the 2011 playoffs was phenomenal and the fact you overlooked that to give eli some sort of pre Jones start send off is weak

Eli gets huge props for niner game but he could not move the ball much of the game and what unit allowed tynes to win the game?

You say eli outplayed Rodgers but eli not the one who had to stop an mvp who had a regular season for the ages. But it was eli that won that ring right?
RE: RE: Well, officially Eli had  
bw in dc : 9/21/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14590942 Johnny5 said:
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five fourth QTR CBs (Sort "4QC").

Don't know where 8 is coming from... League Leaders - ( New Window )


Damn. Only 5??


Yes 5. Three less than 8.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Nine-Tails : 9/21/2019 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14590944 Junior22 said:
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In comment 14590929 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:


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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.



So we are back to giving eli the praise for 1 game but last 7 years it was not him but the front office?



No. Sounds like you want to promote a different agenda.

My point is clear. Eli's MVP season carried the NYGs to a Super Bowl.



You know who else outplayed the league mvp and other QBs in route to a sb?

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson

The giants defense in the 2011 playoffs was phenomenal and the fact you overlooked that to give eli some sort of pre Jones start send off is weak

Eli gets huge props for niner game but he could not move the ball much of the game and what unit allowed tynes to win the game?

You say eli outplayed Rodgers but eli not the one who had to stop an mvp who had a regular season for the ages. But it was eli that won that ring right?


Eric, I think you letting bias cloud your judgement regarding the regular season mvp award by mentioning playoff games. Rodgers was close to a unanimous choice for mvp, with only brees being the other option. I dont think you'd find any objective person who would say Eli deserved MVP over Rodgers. But this doesn't mean Eli didnt have an amazing year and was the top performer in the playoffs, which he was rewarded for by SB MVP.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2019 11:17 pm : link
You guys who want to poke holes in anything pro-Giant can enjoy your night.

God himself delivered Eli Manning to us and he rewarded us with a two-time Super Bowl MVP, who CLEARLY was the best QB of all playoff QBs in both 2007 and 2011. Moreover, when you take into account the playoffs in 2011, no one was better.

Eli was fantastic in the 2007 playoffs. But he carried the 2011 team to the playoffs and once there, carried them a step further.

My MVP wins playoff games and world championships. He throws to Kevin Boss, David Tyree (TD and "the catch"), and Plaxico for the win in 2007. He throws perhaps the greatest pin-point pass in Super Bowl history in 2011.

Bitch and moan all you want. I'm going to sleep well tonight. And thank God for Eli Manning.

Good night.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14590956 Nine-Tails said:
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Eric, I think you letting bias cloud your judgement regarding the regular season mvp award by mentioning playoff games. Rodgers was close to a unanimous choice for mvp, with only brees being the other option. I dont think you'd find any objective person who would say Eli deserved MVP over Rodgers. But this doesn't mean Eli didnt have an amazing year and was the top performer in the playoffs, which he was rewarded for by SB MVP.

Yep he was unanimous maybe until he shit the bed in the playoffs. Not quite sure what your agenda is against Eli since you are arguing the same crap with me in the Eli/Favre thread. Let it go my man.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Johnny5 : 9/21/2019 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14590944 Junior22 said:
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In comment 14590929 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14590801 Junior22 said:


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In comment 14590733 Eric from BBI said:


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Eli kicked Rodgers ass in the playoff game. I know the MVP is determined before then, but Eli showed up in the playoffs and Rodgers didn't. Case closed.



So we are back to giving eli the praise for 1 game but last 7 years it was not him but the front office?



No. Sounds like you want to promote a different agenda.

My point is clear. Eli's MVP season carried the NYGs to a Super Bowl.



You know who else outplayed the league mvp and other QBs in route to a sb?

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson

The giants defense in the 2011 playoffs was phenomenal and the fact you overlooked that to give eli some sort of pre Jones start send off is weak

Eli gets huge props for niner game but he could not move the ball much of the game and what unit allowed tynes to win the game?

You say eli outplayed Rodgers but eli not the one who had to stop an mvp who had a regular season for the ages. But it was eli that won that ring right?

LOL give it a rest junior.
Eli was ridiculous in 2011  
AcesUp : 9/21/2019 11:28 pm : link
That year and that run is mostly Eli. You can argue that the Giants win the 2007 SB with a few different QBs (that roster was underrated and loaded) but that 2nd run is Eli's case for the HOF. He carries that team to a playoff berth and then elevates his play as the D figures it out. I don't think any other QB would get it done for the Giants in that run, Eli was the perfect QB at that time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Nine-Tails : 9/22/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14590962 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14590956 Nine-Tails said:


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Eric, I think you letting bias cloud your judgement regarding the regular season mvp award by mentioning playoff games. Rodgers was close to a unanimous choice for mvp, with only brees being the other option. I dont think you'd find any objective person who would say Eli deserved MVP over Rodgers. But this doesn't mean Eli didnt have an amazing year and was the top performer in the playoffs, which he was rewarded for by SB MVP.



Yep he was unanimous maybe until he shit the bed in the playoffs. Not quite sure what your agenda is against Eli since you are arguing the same crap with me in the Eli/Favre thread. Let it go my man.


I don't think I even posted on that thread, but whatever. And what does my post have to do against Eli. I said he was the best qb in the playoffs outdueling Brady and Rodgers. But Rodgers was the rightful mvp because you know it's a regular season award and playoff performance doesn't factor in. Both can be true and in fact are
RE: ....  
Junior22 : 9/22/2019 2:04 am : link
In comment 14590960 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
You guys who want to poke holes in anything pro-Giant can enjoy your night.

God himself delivered Eli Manning to us and he rewarded us with a two-time Super Bowl MVP, who CLEARLY was the best QB of all playoff QBs in both 2007 and 2011. Moreover, when you take into account the playoffs in 2011, no one was better.

Eli was fantastic in the 2007 playoffs. But he carried the 2011 team to the playoffs and once there, carried them a step further.

My MVP wins playoff games and world championships. He throws to Kevin Boss, David Tyree (TD and "the catch"), and Plaxico for the win in 2007. He throws perhaps the greatest pin-point pass in Super Bowl history in 2011.

Bitch and moan all you want. I'm going to sleep well tonight. And thank God for Eli Manning.

Good night.


Yup thank God for eli winning us those 2 rings and screw the rest of the team for ruining the last 8 years of this amazing qb
This schmuck has been here a couple...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2019 6:23 am : link
of months, posts only on the topic of eli negatively and talks about long-time posters as if he's been here awhile.

The latest in a line of dupes created for one purpose.

Arguing with a troll is fruitless, especially one who casually tosses aside two SB wins and two super bowl MVP's.

The Eli Manning Era is over yet some of these ridiculous posters still come to take a shit.
God delivered Eli Manning to us?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 7:31 am : link
So now Ernie Accorsi is to be referred to as God...
RE: This schmuck has been here a couple...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 7:34 am : link
In comment 14591033 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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The Eli Manning Era is over yet some of these ridiculous posters still come to take a shit.


Well the thread is about Eli Manning's 2011 season, and the OP denotes he should have been league MVP.

So opinions will come in...even ones you may not like.
"God himself delivered Eli Manning to us"  
Enzo : 9/22/2019 8:23 am : link
bahahahaha
RE: ....  
DeepBlueJint : 9/22/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14590960 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
You guys who want to poke holes in anything pro-Giant can enjoy your night.

God himself delivered Eli Manning to us and he rewarded us with a two-time Super Bowl MVP, who CLEARLY was the best QB of all playoff QBs in both 2007 and 2011. Moreover, when you take into account the playoffs in 2011, no one was better.

Eli was fantastic in the 2007 playoffs. But he carried the 2011 team to the playoffs and once there, carried them a step further.

My MVP wins playoff games and world championships. He throws to Kevin Boss, David Tyree (TD and "the catch"), and Plaxico for the win in 2007. He throws perhaps the greatest pin-point pass in Super Bowl history in 2011.

Bitch and moan all you want. I'm going to sleep well tonight. And thank God for Eli Manning.

Good night.


AMEN!
2011 was peak  
Les in TO : 9/22/2019 8:59 am : link
Eli. He never regained that form. You can blame decisions on the offensive line (waiting too long to rebuild and choosing replacements poorly) injuries to Nicks and Cruz, switching to the WCO but he was never the same QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Nine-Tails  
Johnny5 : 9/22/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14590987 Nine-Tails said:
Quote:
In comment 14590962 Johnny5 said:


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In comment 14590956 Nine-Tails said:


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Eric, I think you letting bias cloud your judgement regarding the regular season mvp award by mentioning playoff games. Rodgers was close to a unanimous choice for mvp, with only brees being the other option. I dont think you'd find any objective person who would say Eli deserved MVP over Rodgers. But this doesn't mean Eli didnt have an amazing year and was the top performer in the playoffs, which he was rewarded for by SB MVP.



Yep he was unanimous maybe until he shit the bed in the playoffs. Not quite sure what your agenda is against Eli since you are arguing the same crap with me in the Eli/Favre thread. Let it go my man.



I don't think I even posted on that thread, but whatever. And what does my post have to do against Eli. I said he was the best qb in the playoffs outdueling Brady and Rodgers. But Rodgers was the rightful mvp because you know it's a regular season award and playoff performance doesn't factor in. Both can be true and in fact are

Yep I quoted your post accidentally. I meant to quote one of junior22's posts.
Anyone  
crick n NC : 9/22/2019 10:34 am : link
That chooses to downplay Eli Manning's 2011 season possibly has an agenda against Eli himself and or they don't know what they are looking at, also add in the possibility of trolls just trying to push people's buttons.

Really not worth the time, even though it can be difficult to not engage with such foolish takes.

Oh well.
Not sure what place God has in this.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2019 10:44 am : link
You can make a point without sounding like a southern preacher. I dont think god spends a lot of time reading scouting reports. How many games did he check out at Ole Miss in 03 and 04?
RE: ....  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14590960 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
You guys who want to poke holes in anything pro-Giant can enjoy your night.

God himself delivered Eli Manning to us and he rewarded us with a two-time Super Bowl MVP, who CLEARLY was the best QB of all playoff QBs in both 2007 and 2011. Moreover, when you take into account the playoffs in 2011, no one was better.

Eli was fantastic in the 2007 playoffs. But he carried the 2011 team to the playoffs and once there, carried them a step further.

My MVP wins playoff games and world championships. He throws to Kevin Boss, David Tyree (TD and "the catch"), and Plaxico for the win in 2007. He throws perhaps the greatest pin-point pass in Super Bowl history in 2011.

Bitch and moan all you want. I'm going to sleep well tonight. And thank God for Eli Manning.

Good night.


Might wanna lay off the church wine.
Did it occur  
crick n NC : 9/22/2019 11:27 am : link
That Eric was using an expression, "thank God"?

Even if he does really thank God, oh well?
RE: Did it occur  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14591289 crick n NC said:
Quote:
That Eric was using an expression, "thank God"?

Even if he does really thank God, oh well?


Well, God did hand deliver us Eli. Whatever that means. lol.
RE: Did it occur  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14591289 crick n NC said:
Quote:
That Eric was using an expression, "thank God"?

Even if he does really thank God, oh well?


No, it didn't occur because he wasn't.

No big deal, as it only came out because he was hotly debating another poster who he felt was downplaying Eli's great 2011 year.

Geez  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2019 11:58 am : link
sounds like we have a lot of religious bigots.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/22/2019 12:00 pm : link
I would not go as far as to say Eli should win MVP that year - but he was top three. Just an incredible season all around. That season - start to finish - is why he should be in the HOF.
RE: Geez  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14591327 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
sounds like we have a lot of religious bigots.


It actually sounds like we have a lot of morons that manifests itself in a lot of strange ways.

Careful  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2019 3:18 pm : link
God is keeping close tabs it seems on the Giants and maybe also its fans...
I'm thinking right now of HopeJ and Bob in Annapolis....  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 3:33 pm : link
who didn't get to see that 2011 win right now. Bob didn't see the 2007 win either. He died right before.

Wish they could have seen it. Wish they could see this new start today.
Schnitzie too.  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2019 4:00 pm : link
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